Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
This isn't one woman, there have been several. Even with Domperidone, not much milk results. Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART I wonder if this woman has had reasonable breast growth as a teenager, if she was particularly skinny, dieted heaps etc or some sort of breast trauma? Belinda Jenny Cameron wrote: Thanks Nicole. This is longer term lactation failure. ie week 4 after birth and still only 20 mls per feed or expression, if that! Very odd. Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 - Original Message - *From:* Nicole Carver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:42 PM *Subject:* RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, Is it that intervention is more common in the management of these women, particularly if ART has resulted in a multiple pregnancy? Intervention can interfere with the initiation of lactation for a number of reasons, as you would be aware. Nicole. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Jenny Cameron *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:08 PM *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: twins birth story
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: twins birth story Hi Justine, I'll be thinking of you and wish you a wonderful birth. I hope you'll let me read your birth story. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] for chatting any time. How are you feeling? All the best, Yvette 8 week old twins, vaginal birth - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: twins birth story Dear YvetteYour little ones look beautiful. Oh to have 2 girls!I am sorry you had all that intervention. I truly hope to avoid all of that in the next few weeks.I may need to chat to you for post-natal coping skills!!Kind regardsJustine34 weeks (twins no idea what, but I bet theres one boy!!)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Hi Jenny, This is something that I noticed as well when working in a private hospital in Hobart. The general consensus by the midwives there was that if a woman needed help to become pregnant then perhaps there was an underlying cause which would then interfere with lactation. The midwives there said they had noticed this quite often. Cheers MichelleJenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. gifnhyvk7j0pi.gif Description: GIF image
[ozmidwifery] low milk infertility
A bit more. I tried searching under low supply came up with some interesting info on PCOS (Polycystic ovary syndrome)and difficulty establishing a supply. I suspect a lot of our women who use ART have PCOS as it is a major cause of infertility. I'm sure these women are not given information on the link between PCOS and difficulty establishing a milk supply. Having this knowledge may prevent some of the disappointment and psychological distress these women go through trying to establish a supply. Not all women with PCOS will have a low supply but from one small study done (n=39) 33% had an insufficient supply and 67% of the low supply group produced no milk at all. http://www.obgyn.net/pcos/articles/childers-chats.htm Thanks for your input. Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Hi, I think the answer is.possibly. I tend to agree with Nicole that it's more likely to be birthing interventionist birthing practices which get breastfeeding off to a poor start, followed up by scheduled breastfeeding which makes brestfeeding successfullya near impossibility. After all, women can breastfeed past menopause, without ovaries, breastfeed adopted children without ever having given birth. I wouldn't assume that because a women has to be assisted to get pregnant she won't be able to breastfeed. I recently helped a woman who had given birth to twins @ 34 weeks. They were concieved via IVF and the mother had PCOS. Most of the staff had written her off. And when I first saw her she was so disheartened because of the small drips of milk she was getting, the babies were being comped and she had to go home 3/4 of an hr from the hospital and leave her babies. 8 weeks later she was fully breastfeeding and babies putting on 200 and 300 g per week each. Barb IBCLC - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, This is something that I noticed as well when working in a private hospital in Hobart. The general consensus by the midwives there was that if a woman needed help to become pregnant then perhaps there was an underlying cause which would then interfere with lactation. The midwives there said they had noticed this quite often. Cheers MichelleJenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 Do you Yahoo!?The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Another observation about women who have had ART, they are often anxious. It is difficult for an anxiouswoman to sit and finish a breast feed properly, or even sometimesrecognise feeding cues. I wouldn't completely discount a hormonal link, although the hormones play a larger part in early lactation, from memory I thinkafter three to four monthslactation is mostly under autocrine control ie local feedback mechanisms in the breast(This might benefit from a bit more investigation though). Cheers, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris BrightSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:45 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi, I think the answer is.possibly. I tend to agree with Nicole that it's more likely to be birthing interventionist birthing practices which get breastfeeding off to a poor start, followed up by scheduled breastfeeding which makes brestfeeding successfullya near impossibility. After all, women can breastfeed past menopause, without ovaries, breastfeed adopted children without ever having given birth. I wouldn't assume that because a women has to be assisted to get pregnant she won't be able to breastfeed. I recently helped a woman who had given birth to twins @ 34 weeks. They were concieved via IVF and the mother had PCOS. Most of the staff had written her off. And when I first saw her she was so disheartened because of the small drips of milk she was getting, the babies were being comped and she had to go home 3/4 of an hr from the hospital and leave her babies. 8 weeks later she was fully breastfeeding and babies putting on 200 and 300 g per week each. Barb IBCLC - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, This is something that I noticed as well when working in a private hospital in Hobart. The general consensus by the midwives there was that if a woman needed help to become pregnant then perhaps there was an underlying cause which would then interfere with lactation. The midwives there said they had noticed this quite often. Cheers MichelleJenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 Do you Yahoo!?The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
I don't want to shoot you down on the skinny thing, but I was one of those skinny teenagers, barely a breast to speak of. I even believed that it may prevent me to b/feed. Well, 4 kids later, all breastfed, 2 for 18 months, 1 for 2 1/2 yrs and my 16 mth old is as dedicated as they get. I stupidly also believed my small breasts would at least stay up nice and high, Oh how wrong I was. Saggy old socks are just as likely on us A cups too. I had a lovely conversation with my 4 yr old today on my breast anatomy, he thinks they are lovely. Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 5:50 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART I wonder if this woman has had reasonable breast growth as a teenager, if she was particularly skinny, dieted heaps etc or some sort of breast trauma? Belinda Jenny Cameron wrote: Thanks Nicole. This is longer term lactation failure. ie week 4 after birth and still only 20 mls per feed or expression, if that! Very odd. Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 - Original Message - *From:* Nicole Carver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:42 PM *Subject:* RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, Is it that intervention is more common in the management of these women, particularly if ART has resulted in a multiple pregnancy? Intervention can interfere with the initiation of lactation for a number of reasons, as you would be aware. Nicole. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Jenny Cameron *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:08 PM *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
I am currently undergoing IVF for secondary infertility. I have PCO, not PCOS, but my hormones are without a doubt whacky. However, I breastfed my daughter for 2.5 years. The first 3 months, particularly the first 8 weeks were utter hell, but not because of low supply. One thing I never had, at least early on, was low supply - though I pretty much never felt let down, had a late/slow letdown and more of a slow but steady flow than the raging torrents of milk some of my friends struggled not to drown their babies in. Also, it's a big assumption that all these women with lactation problems did ART for their own reproductive issues, infertility is considered to be something like 30% female, 30% male, 30% both and 10% unexplained. Of the cases where the woman has the infertility problem they won't all be hormonal, there are lots of other reasons to do ART - she may have blocked tubes from previous surgery, carry an unfortunate gene combination that makes PGD necessary/preferable, we don't all have PCO/S or endo. Personally I would say if you are seeing a lot of women with lactation problems post ART then the most common feature is likely to be post traumatic stress from the ART, shock that they have a live baby at all if they were the one with the problem then also complete and utter loss of faith that any part of their reproductive system works at all. Neither infertility or ART end when you get pregnant and the pregnancy care that most women chose or are forced into through circumstance post ART is not likely to have helped them heal before the birth. Just my two cents. cheers Jo At 11:37 AM +0930 24/10/05, Jenny Cameron wrote: Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 The following document was sent as an embedded object but not referenced by the email above: Attachment converted: pudding:Network Blitz Bkgrd 12.gif (GIFf/prvw) (000D0FE2) -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Thank you for this Michelle. I work in a private hosp also and that is exactly what we midwives have suggested. Perhaps it is more noticeable in private hospitals because the women have more access to ART?? (Don't want to start a war there!!). Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, This is something that I noticed as well when working in a private hospital in Hobart. The general consensus by the midwives there was that if a woman needed help to become pregnant then perhaps there was an underlying cause which would then interfere with lactation. The midwives there said they had noticed this quite often. Cheers MichelleJenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 Do you Yahoo!?The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Hi Barb Can women who adopt without ever having been pregnant actually lactate? I thought pregnancy was a prerequisite for the breast changes that support lactation, particularly the appearance of secretory alveoli. I know women can put a baby on the breast and have bub feed from a lact-aid set-up. I would appreciate the references and the process/physiology for future teaching. Thanks . Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi, I think the answer is.possibly. I tend to agree with Nicole that it's more likely to be birthing interventionist birthing practices which get breastfeeding off to a poor start, followed up by scheduled breastfeeding which makes brestfeeding successfullya near impossibility. After all, women can breastfeed past menopause, without ovaries, breastfeed adopted children without ever having given birth. I wouldn't assume that because a women has to be assisted to get pregnant she won't be able to breastfeed. I recently helped a woman who had given birth to twins @ 34 weeks. They were concieved via IVF and the mother had PCOS. Most of the staff had written her off. And when I first saw her she was so disheartened because of the small drips of milk she was getting, the babies were being comped and she had to go home 3/4 of an hr from the hospital and leave her babies. 8 weeks later she was fully breastfeeding and babies putting on 200 and 300 g per week each. Barb IBCLC - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, This is something that I noticed as well when working in a private hospital in Hobart. The general consensus by the midwives there was that if a woman needed help to become pregnant then perhaps there was an underlying cause which would then interfere with lactation. The midwives there said they had noticed this quite often. Cheers MichelleJenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 Do you Yahoo!?The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Fair comment Jo. I realise infertility is a male female issue, and the majority of women with PCOS will breastfeed successfully. I have been a midwife for a long time I have never seen the low supply problems like I have lately. I strongly suspect one of the big reasons for the baby not feeding well ( which we also see a lot of), is doing elective LUSCS (which we also do a lot of) at 37 weeks and not the recommended 39-40 weeks. Best wishes for a new baby soon. Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART I am currently undergoing IVF for secondary infertility. I have PCO, not PCOS, but my hormones are without a doubt whacky. However, I breastfed my daughter for 2.5 years. The first 3 months, particularly the first 8 weeks were utter hell, but not because of low supply. One thing I never had, at least early on, was low supply - though I pretty much never felt let down, had a late/slow letdown and more of a slow but steady flow than the raging torrents of milk some of my friends struggled not to drown their babies in. Also, it's a big assumption that all these women with lactation problems did ART for their own reproductive issues, infertility is considered to be something like 30% female, 30% male, 30% both and 10% unexplained. Of the cases where the woman has the infertility problem they won't all be hormonal, there are lots of other reasons to do ART - she may have blocked tubes from previous surgery, carry an unfortunate gene combination that makes PGD necessary/preferable, we don't all have PCO/S or endo. Personally I would say if you are seeing a lot of women with lactation problems post ART then the most common feature is likely to be post traumatic stress from the ART, shock that they have a live baby at all if they were the one with the problem then also complete and utter loss of faith that any part of their reproductive system works at all. Neither infertility or ART end when you get pregnant and the pregnancy care that most women chose or are forced into through circumstance post ART is not likely to have helped them heal before the birth. Just my two cents. cheers Jo At 11:37 AM +0930 24/10/05, Jenny Cameron wrote: Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 The following document was sent as an embedded object but not referenced by the email above: Attachment converted: pudding:Network Blitz Bkgrd 12.gif (GIFf/prvw) (000D0FE2) -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender
I wanted another girl when I had baby no.3. I was so disappointed to get this boy that it took weeks for me to bond with him. It was so obvious to the staff that they notified him as a baby at risk to the MCHN. Happy ending, I adjusted, he soon became the light of my life. But it was awful, and it didn't help when people told me I should be happy with what I got. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Monday, 24 October 2005 11:23 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender Andrea, I recall reading quite a good story on this topic - being disappointed with the sex of the baby - in Practical Parenting earlier this year. The editor wrote about it also in the editorial saying that what spawned the interest in taking on the subject was a lady who contacted her who was feeling awful because she found out she was having a girl when she wanted a boy. I had a search in my copies of the mag but couldn't find it. Perhaps you could contact the magazine and ask what issue it was in. It may help the woman you talk about to read about others with the same feelings and that it is not all that unusual to feel this way. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Andrea Bilcliff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: "Ozmidwifery" ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auCC: "Maternity Coalition Midwives" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' genderDate: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:08:55 +1000 Sorry for cross posting... I have aclient who is due to give birth soonand shereally wants a baby of a particular genderbut the ultrasound has shown the baby to be the opposite.This ismuchmore than being a little disappointed and it doesnot appear to have eased over the course of the pregnancy. She has expressed concerns about how this may potentially affect her labour. She alsoexpresses enormous guilt over having these feelings when she already has healthy children, including one of this gender. She is also concerned about the effects her feelings/thoughts are having and will have on her baby's development. Assuming the ultrasound is correct, has anyone had experience of this either as a mother or care provider? Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Andrea Bilcliff-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
This is an interesting discussion for me. I have PCOS but conceived my son without any drugs. I had immense problems with my milk simply not arriving until over a week after my son was amputated from me. So in my case, it was the trauma of caesarean and hospital staff, not the illness. I've had a perfectly brilliant (and continuing) bf relationship with my son since then. He's 2 in a few weeks : ) We are all so incredibly different in our responses to hormones that there can be no single solution. J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] FW: [cbistudents] Fw: France
Title: Message any connections? cheers Jo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer McFarlandSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:46 PMTo: aami; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [cbistudents] Fw: FranceI got this in my e-mail today...anybody know any english speaking midwives in France?-Jen- Original Message - From: "Dave Claire Whitney" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:54 AMSubject: France Hi, Not sure if you can help me, but I would like to find an English-speaking midwife in France for a homebirth. Any suggestions? Thanks so much, Claire -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "cbistudents" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 10/19/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 10/19/2005
[ozmidwifery] FW: [accessingartemis] Midwife needs your help
Title: Message I know this has been discussed previously and I think there was an inquiry as to the up date on this terrible situation. Here is a website that is updating the situation about theWashington Midwifebeingdragged through the courts for facilitating a home breech birth. The importance of this is the prosecution for the Washington state is arguing breech should always be by cs, so despite people's opinion on breech at home, this is more to do withvaginal breech.http://www.shaheedapierce.com/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 10/19/2005
[ozmidwifery] CARES CD
Thank you to all the orders for the CARES birth after cs CD. The CDs are being finished this week and will be sent out by Monday next week at the latest. Sorry for the delay. All those wanting internet direct banking I still need to find out through the bank. Should have it organised again by the end of the week. Thanks for your paitence...no need for an induction yet! :o) Jo xx -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 10/19/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [accessingartemis] Midwife needs your help
Title: Message How tragic and scary for both the midwife and the women she attendslets hope the madness doesnt get that bad here Tania x From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Dean Jo Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 8:00 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [accessingartemis] Midwife needs your help I know this has been discussed previously and I think there was an inquiry as to the up date on this terrible situation. Here is a website that is updating the situation about theWashington Midwifebeingdragged through the courts for facilitating a home breech birth. The importance of this is the prosecution for the Washington state is arguing breech should always be by cs, so despite people's opinion on breech at home, this is more to do withvaginal breech. http://www.shaheedapierce.com/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 10/19/2005
[ozmidwifery] NATIONAL HOME BIRTH AWARENESS WEEK
To all ASIM members and any midwives who have been involved in home births Call your clients this week and tell them how much you value their support Pop in with a cake to see some house-bound mother with little children Keep the good-will going Have a wonderful week spreading the good word about home births The more you give - the more you'll get Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
I meant young girls who force their bodies to be skinny through diet etc as this can affect the physiological growth of breast tissue not naturally skinny girls, my sister like you was very small breasted and breastfed fine, this is different to what I meant Belinda Megan Larry wrote: I don't want to shoot you down on the skinny thing, but I was one of those skinny teenagers, barely a breast to speak of. I even believed that it may prevent me to b/feed. Well, 4 kids later, all breastfed, 2 for 18 months, 1 for 2 1/2 yrs and my 16 mth old is as dedicated as they get. I stupidly also believed my small breasts would at least stay up nice and high, Oh how wrong I was. Saggy old socks are just as likely on us A cups too. I had a lovely conversation with my 4 yr old today on my breast anatomy, he thinks they are lovely. Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 5:50 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART I wonder if this woman has had reasonable breast growth as a teenager, if she was particularly skinny, dieted heaps etc or some sort of breast trauma? Belinda Jenny Cameron wrote: Thanks Nicole. This is longer term lactation failure. ie week 4 after birth and still only 20 mls per feed or expression, if that! Very odd. Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 - Original Message - *From:* Nicole Carver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:42 PM *Subject:* RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, Is it that intervention is more common in the management of these women, particularly if ART has resulted in a multiple pregnancy? Intervention can interfere with the initiation of lactation for a number of reasons, as you would be aware. Nicole. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Jenny Cameron *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:08 PM *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Hi All, I think Nicole has put her finger on the most important issue - anxiety! Oxytocin cannot kick-in while adrenaline is charging through the system. If this woman has also had a C/S then she is really behind the 'eight ball'. Anxious women are more likely to have C/S, induction, drugs, interventions ... etc. This anxiety can also have been caused by months of unsuccessful attempts of ovarian hyperstimulation and IVF etc. Doctors have a habit of dumping fear on women in the misguided belief that they must advise women of all possible adverse outcomes or in an even more misguided attempt to cover their own backsides and avoid litigation! ... or even more self-serving attempt to protect their golf day! Leanne. Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 From: Nicole Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:56:07 +1000 Another observation about women who have had ART, they are often anxious. It is difficult for an anxious woman to sit and finish a breast feed properly, or even sometimes recognise feeding cues. I wouldn't completely discount a hormonal link, although the hormones play a larger part in early lactation, from memory I think after three to four months lactation is mostly under autocrine control ie local feedback mechanisms in the breast (This might benefit from a bit more investigation though). Cheers, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi, I think the answer is.possibly. I tend to agree with Nicole that it's more likely to be birthing interventionist birthing practices which get breastfeeding off to a poor start, followed up by scheduled breastfeeding which makes brestfeeding successfully a near impossibility. After all, women can breastfeed past menopause, without ovaries, breastfeed adopted children without ever having given birth. I wouldn't assume that because a women has to be assisted to get pregnant she won't be able to breastfeed. I recently helped a woman who had given birth to twins @ 34 weeks. They were concieved via IVF and the mother had PCOS. Most of the staff had written her off. And when I first saw her she was so disheartened because of the small drips of milk she was getting, the babies were being comped and she had to go home 3/4 of an hr from the hospital and leave her babies. 8 weeks later she was fully breastfeeding and babies putting on 200 and 300 g per week each. Barb IBCLC - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, This is something that I noticed as well when working in a private hospital in Hobart. The general consensus by the midwives there was that if a woman needed help to become pregnant then perhaps there was an underlying cause which would then interfere with lactation. The midwives there said they had noticed this quite often. Cheers Michelle Jenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. ATT00013.gif -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] NATIONAL HOME BIRTH AWARENESS WEEK
Hi Jan and All, Just want to wish everyone involved in keeping the homebirth movement alive all the best for national homebirth awareness week. Last week we had a family evening watching the homebirth video of my second son and I was able to relive the amazing memories of that experience. Peace, calm, no fear, no being told what to do such a lack of fear which seems to permeate so much of birthing elsewhere today. My 7 year old son, the one who was being born in the video, wanted to know why he wasnt wearing any clothes when he was born and we had a big laugh about trying to get a nappy inside the womb. To my boys its normal and I think theyre quite proud to be the only boys at school who were born at home. Youre doing an amazing job and its something worth persevering and fighting for. One day gentle birth will predominate and the struggles of this current time will have been worth all the work. Keep up your amazing work, homebirthing women and men! Love from Karen in Townsville From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Jan Robinson Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 9:42 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] NATIONAL HOME BIRTH AWARENESS WEEK To all ASIM members and any midwives who have been involved in home births Call your clients this week and tell them how much you value their support Pop in with a cake to see some house-bound mother with little children Keep the good-will going Have a wonderful week spreading the good word about home births The more you give - the more you'll get Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
[ozmidwifery] Re: Midwifery Educators
Dear Midwives, I have just returned from our small hospital midwives and doctors breakfast meeting. This is to encourage communication. We have 4 GP/Obs and 9 midwivies. On discussion was a new policy for epidural-top ups: both pethidine only and marcain/fenytal . Policy is now insistent on bp obs 5minutely for 30 minutes for both top-ups. Other hospitals have had the pethidine only top-ups: prior giving top-up bp, in 5 minutes and then in 15 minutes. Does anyone have an email address for me to contact? Also does anyone have policy or guidelines re allowing dads to cut cord? This meeting has decided that no cord clamps (plastic) will be put on set up so the forceps are used, Dad can do a token cutting later (?how later) when cord clamp (plastic) is to be put on. I was hailed down when I suggested that a well baby could be put onto mum and continue with the cord clamp/ dad cutting cord when ready. If the baby needed active resuscitation then quick transfer to resus. trolley would be normal procedure. As you will have noticed our GPs only do active 3rd stage, mothers have never heard of physiological 3rd stage even though same discussed at ante-natal classes. Thanks from a disappointed midwife, Barbara
RE: [ozmidwifery] NATIONAL HOME BIRTH AWARENESS WEEK
Jan, I know this sounds like a great idea, but where am I going to get the time for all those phone calls??. I will have to try another way- perhaps our regular get together on the first Thursday of the month will have to do. Cheers, MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Jan Robinson Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 7:42 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] NATIONAL HOME BIRTH AWARENESS WEEK To all ASIM members and any midwives who have been involved in home births Call your clients this week and tell them how much you value their support Pop in with a cake to see some house-bound mother with little children Keep the good-will going Have a wonderful week spreading the good word about home births The more you give - the more you'll get Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
[ozmidwifery] Joyous Birth HBAW competition!
http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5918#5918 Come one, come all to the Joyous Birth home birth awareness week competition! In 50 words or less, tell us why home birth should be paid for by Medicare! Send your entries to [EMAIL PROTECTED] clearly labelled HBAW Competition! First prize is a book package of "Hello Baby", "Breastmilk makes my tummy yummy" and a selection of handmilled soaps from the Soap Shack, a green business from QLD. Second prize is some soaps from the Soap Shack and a birthing goddess necklace from the Joyous Birth shop valued at $25.00. A handmade necklace of purple beads hung with a tiny Venus of Willendorf bead. Wear it at your next birth!Entries close Nov 1 so enter soon! Winners announced on the Joyous Birth forums! Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/ Accessing Artemis Birth Trauma Recoveryhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Midwifery Educators
Hi Barbara, Do your parents have any say in the cord clamping? Perhaps they need more information such as at their education sessions? We also do active management, but Dad's are still able to cut the cord. Not many of our Mum's do physiological third stage. However, we had a lotus birth recently which went well. I believe that although midwives do not have a lot of power in hospitals, parents requests are often listened to. There is an opportunity to harness this to bring about a cultural change, and if parents continue to request certain practices they will break down the resistance to change. I have not given pethidine through an epidural before. We have infusions though. They are Fentanyl/Marcain and we do obs 5 minutely for 30 minutes, then full set of obs with pain score, sedation score, dermatomes and motor function, then pulse, BP, resps and sedation scorehourly, with dermatomes and motor function 4 hourly. I think it is good to keep your obs consistent to save confusion, particularly with new or inexperienced staff. Cheers, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Barbara StokesSent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:15 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Midwifery Educators Dear Midwives, I have just returned from our small hospital midwives and doctors breakfast meeting. This is to encourage communication. We have 4 GP/Obs and 9 midwivies. On discussion was a new policy for epidural-top ups: both pethidine only and marcain/fenytal . Policy is now insistent on bp obs 5minutely for 30 minutes for both top-ups. Other hospitals have had the pethidine only top-ups: prior giving top-up bp, in 5 minutes and then in 15 minutes. Does anyone have an email address for me to contact? Also does anyone have policy or guidelines re allowing dads to cut cord? This meeting has decided that no cord clamps (plastic) will be put on set up so the forceps are used, Dad can do a token cutting later (?how later) when cord clamp (plastic) is to be put on. I was hailed down when I suggested that a well baby could be put onto mum and continue with the cord clamp/ dad cutting cord when ready. If the baby needed active resuscitation then quick transfer to resus. trolley would be normal procedure. As you will have noticed our GPs only do active 3rd stage, mothers have never heard of physiological 3rd stage even though same discussed at ante-natal classes. Thanks from a disappointed midwife, Barbara
RE: [ozmidwifery] low milk infertility
yeah! as I said From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny CameronSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:17 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] low milk infertility A bit more. I tried searching under low supply came up with some interesting info on PCOS (Polycystic ovary syndrome)and difficulty establishing a supply. I suspect a lot of our women who use ART have PCOS as it is a major cause of infertility. I'm sure these women are not given information on the link between PCOS and difficulty establishing a milk supply. Having this knowledge may prevent some of the disappointment and psychological distress these women go through trying to establish a supply. Not all women with PCOS will have a low supply but from one small study done (n=39) 33% had an insufficient supply and 67% of the low supply group produced no milk at all. http://www.obgyn.net/pcos/articles/childers-chats.htm Thanks for your input. Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717
RE: [ozmidwifery] english speaking midwife France
Title: Message Hi www.messageparis.org is an english speaking community group which should be able to direct this enquiry to the homebirth network. Sylvia Boutsalis Childbirth Educator Infant Massage Instructor Thought Field Therapist Talk About Babies 22 Linley Ave Prospect SA 5082 0400 66 44 61 8342 4606 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean JoSent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 7:53 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [cbistudents] Fw: France any connections? cheers Jo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer McFarlandSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:46 PMTo: aami; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [cbistudents] Fw: FranceI got this in my e-mail today...anybody know any english speaking midwives in France?-Jen- Original Message - From: "Dave Claire Whitney" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:54 AMSubject: France Hi, Not sure if you can help me, but I would like to find an English-speaking midwife in France for a homebirth. Any suggestions? Thanks so much, Claire -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "cbistudents" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 10/19/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 10/19/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Midwifery Educators
They can't be too busy if they have nothing better to do than nitpick on cord cutting like that. It has been more years than I can remember that I have put the plastic clamp on first and only one metal and had dad cut. Of course in emergency you do what is best at the time, but a Policy or guideline for that? Cheers Judy --- Barbara Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Midwives, I have just returned from our small hospital midwives and doctors breakfast meeting. This is to encourage communication. We have 4 GP/Obs and 9 midwivies. On discussion was a new policy for epidural-top ups: both pethidine only and marcain/fenytal . Policy is now insistent on bp obs 5minutely for 30 minutes for both top-ups. Other hospitals have had the pethidine only top-ups: prior giving top-up bp, in 5 minutes and then in 15 minutes. Does anyone have an email address for me to contact? Also does anyone have policy or guidelines re allowing dads to cut cord? This meeting has decided that no cord clamps (plastic) will be put on set up so the forceps are used, Dad can do a token cutting later (?how later) when cord clamp (plastic) is to be put on. I was hailed down when I suggested that a well baby could be put onto mum and continue with the cord clamp/ dad cutting cord when ready. If the baby needed active resuscitation then quick transfer to resus. trolley would be normal procedure. As you will have noticed our GP's only do active 3rd stage, mothers have never heard of physiological 3rd stage even though same discussed at ante-natal classes. Thanks from a disappointed midwife, Barbara Do you Yahoo!? Listen to over 20 online radio stations and watch the latest music videos on Yahoo! Music. http://au.launch.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Jenni Overend
Does anyone have a contact for the author Jenni Overend? : ) J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/ Accessing Artemis Birth Trauma Recoveryhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis
Re: [ozmidwifery] postnatal depression - urgent
Title: Message Lyell McEwin Hsp has a PND group - contact Tracy Semner Booth 81829000 - im not sure how great it is - ive heard anecdotally good things - but obviously its in the nrth suburbs. She can also access one to one appointments with Tracey. Suzi Hoff - Original Message - From: Sylvia Boutsalis To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] postnatal depression - urgent A friend of a friend says that she is suffering from postnatal depression. Are there any associations that may help her? I know about beyond blue. Specifically,are there any in Adelaide? Thanks in advance Sylvia Boutsalis Adelaide
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Title: Infant Sleep Megan you are an awesome woman - and to think of all the volunteer work you do for the birth community in adelaide to boot. thankyou. to think i used to be jelous of you seeming to have the perfect child (your first) who played happily thru post natal yoga while mine cried every week and all night as well. I guess it just shows the randomness of these little babies patterns, parents just can't know what they are going to get and each one is so different. and your right most of the time its all about surrendering - literally! gving up and letting them be whoever it is they are...thankfully after about 10 months my baby sorted himself out and has been a fanstatic sleeper ever since. love suzi x - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep We started co-sleeping with our third child, he was demand fed and boy , that was exactly what we did, 24/7. He slept for 45 mins a few times a day, and about 9hrs a night waking every 1-2 hours and needing rocking or patting often through the night. With a 3yr and 1 1/2 yr old to look after as well, not much room for a day sleep. No wonder I was sooo TIRED. He didn't sleep through a whole night until he was over 2, by which I was pregnant again and going to do it all again. He still needs much less sleep than an average child. Not complaining or bragging, just sharing what is a variation of normal. What helped me at the time was having a couple of friends with similar philosophies who were also doing it much the same as me. Fortunately our next baby was a better sleeper, doesn't feed quite so much, but at 16 mths is still 99% breastfed and wakes at night anything from 1 feed for the night to every hour or so. Sleep deprivation is the cruellest of things, we should wear a big badge warning people of how much sleep we've had so they know in advance not to expect too much. I have come to the conclusion to not expect too much from your baby, then you can't be dissapointed and just let it be what it will be. Good luck with it, Megan (Mum to 4 little boys)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE
Thanks so much to everyone who replied with advice and well wishes. Just thought I'd write a short update on our progress. I have 3 days left of my non-dairy diet ... I haven't really noticed a change in Will's skin, or daytime naps, but the nights have been a little better the last 2 or 3. I have read The No-Cry Sleep Solution and began implementing strategies on Friday. I logged our wakings Thursday night, and they equalled 13... 11 of which I had to actually do something about. The strategy basically involves removing the suck-to-sleep association ever so slowly, so that they get used to not having to suck to sleep, and therefore don't expect to still be sucking on anything when they slightly rouse in the light sleep phase. I have been waiting until he is almost asleep and removing the dummy, so the last thing he remembers before going to sleep is not having anything in his mouth. It has been working for night sleeps - he goes from about 10:30/11:00pm till 3. HEAVEN! He then joins us in our bed, where we sleep fairly well, on and off the breast, until about 7am. He feeds till almost asleep, then pulls off himself and turns his head away. Daytime naps need work, but I need to be patient :) So, things are looking up, and there is no CIO or any other horrible mean or nasty strategies. As Pinky says, Gently With Love. Thanks again people! Love Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Young Mother Dies
I just heard a news update - apparently a young mother died after losing too much blood during/after (not sure) an emergency C/S. Young mum dies after hospital runaround... That's all I know. How sad :( Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Homebirth Network SA coffee morning...
Just a friendly reminder that the next Homebirth Network coffee morning is on next Friday, the 4th November from 10-12 at the Eastwood community centre, 95 Glen Osmond Rd, Eastwood. In preparation for the Stirling Christmas pageant, we will be decorating t-shirts for the kids (and adults too if you like!) Please bring along a green/purple/white t-shirt, and if you have some fabric paints or anything else youd like to decorate with, bring that too. We plan on having a colourful and vibrant display of parents and children for the pageant again this year, we were very well received and participants had a great time last year, so please come along and support the network, and have some fun! Looking forward to seeing you there, Tania x
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE
Congratulations on following your heart and your babe, Jo. *hugs* J - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE Thanks so much to everyone who replied with advice and well wishes. Just thought I'd write a short update on our progress. I have 3 days left of my non-dairy diet ... I haven't really noticed a change in Will's skin, or daytime naps, but the nights have been a little better the last 2 or 3. I have read The No-Cry Sleep Solution and began implementing strategies on Friday. I logged our wakings Thursday night, and they equalled 13... 11 of which I had to actually do something about. The strategy basically involves removing the suck-to-sleep association ever so slowly, so that they get used to not having to suck to sleep, and therefore don't expect to still be sucking on anything when they slightly rouse in the light sleep phase. I have been waiting until he is almost asleep and removing the dummy, so the last thing he remembers before going to sleep is not having anything in his mouth. It has been working for night sleeps - he goes from about 10:30/11:00pm till 3. HEAVEN! He then joins us in our bed, where we sleep fairly well, on and off the breast, until about 7am. He feeds till almost asleep, then pulls off himself and turns his head away. Daytime naps need work, but I need to be patient :) So, things are looking up, and there is no CIO or any other horrible mean or nasty strategies. As Pinky says, Gently With Love. Thanks again people! Love Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Midwifery Educators
Just an experience: Saturday night we were with a birthing woman,Pg, spontaneous unmedicated labour, her baby born at 0100hrs, no oxytocic given, baby to breast, sucking strongly, us just being' present in the moment ' of a warm,private, safe, quiet environment (not in the bath, which is unusual for us). 30 minutes later the cord was still pulsating strongly rhythmically !! But as soon as Mum reached down put her fingers gently on it to feel for herself it stopped, almost instantly. The tone went instantly from full, turgid alive to soft flatly limp with her touch. Amazing! It was as if the process was complete now that the mother was displaying she was out of 'labour land' back in 'function mode' to protect her infant. The placenta spontaneously birthed 5mins later we could cut the cord sometime later at the parents leisure (that is out usual modis operandi) . We just couldn't get over for how long the cord pulsated strongly post birth, untouched, baby skin to skin with Mum, apgars 9 9, it's not like he was flat her body was giving him the extra O2 he needed ( not that we could discern anyway ). He isn't jaundiced by 48 hours old either. Mother RH Neg. It may happen more often than I realise because I don't usually touch the maternal/baby unit after birth don't make moves to cut cords till the placenta is out ( just because that seems right to me, it's so intrusive to be messing with scissors clamps or ties at that time) but I was surprised by this continued force vigour. Maybe it was just my night for open your eyes see what's happening right now. Those nights happen every so often don't they? With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Midwifery Educators They can't be too busy if they have nothing better to do than nitpick on cord cutting like that. It has been more years than I can remember that I have put the plastic clamp on first and only one metal and had dad cut. Of course in emergency you do what is best at the time, but a Policy or guideline for that? Cheers Judy --- Barbara Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Midwives, I have just returned from our small hospital midwives and doctors breakfast meeting. This is to encourage communication. We have 4 GP/Obs and 9 midwivies. On discussion was a new policy for epidural-top ups: both pethidine only and marcain/fenytal . Policy is now insistent on bp obs 5minutely for 30 minutes for both top-ups. Other hospitals have had the pethidine only top-ups: prior giving top-up bp, in 5 minutes and then in 15 minutes. Does anyone have an email address for me to contact? Also does anyone have policy or guidelines re allowing dads to cut cord? This meeting has decided that no cord clamps (plastic) will be put on set up so the forceps are used, Dad can do a token cutting later (?how later) when cord clamp (plastic) is to be put on. I was hailed down when I suggested that a well baby could be put onto mum and continue with the cord clamp/ dad cutting cord when ready. If the baby needed active resuscitation then quick transfer to resus. trolley would be normal procedure. As you will have noticed our GP's only do active 3rd stage, mothers have never heard of physiological 3rd stage even though same discussed at ante-natal classes. Thanks from a disappointed midwife, Barbara Do you Yahoo!? Listen to over 20 online radio stations and watch the latest music videos on Yahoo! Music. http://au.launch.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
