[ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change
Hi all I was looking through a recent women's magazine while having my hair done yesterday (only time I read them!) and was very pleased to see not one but two stories of celebs having normal births. Bec Cartwright was quoted as having such a speedy labour that she was in doubts of getting to the hospital on time, and Rod Stewarts latest wife who had a drug-free water birth and described it as "the most empowering and spiritual experience of her life" Not earth shattering news I know but encouraging to read somethingother than surgical birth in the magazines for a change, and good to hear celebs beingpositive role models. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke
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Hi , I read that about Bec too. In the suermarket line ( The only place I read them!!) hope she comes out and gives more detail, she is a strong role model for lots of young Australian women (tho Im not sure thats necessarily a good thing). I wonder if she had time for her epidural or if she didnt plan on one? If all went really well it would be great for her to tell the world. Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change Hi all I was looking through a recent women's magazine while having my hair done yesterday (only time I read them!) and was very pleased to see not one but two stories of celebs having normal births. Bec Cartwright was quoted as having such a speedy labour that she was in doubts of getting to the hospital on time, and Rod Stewarts latest wife who had a drug-free water birth and described it as "the most empowering and spiritual experience of her life" Not earth shattering news I know but encouraging to read somethingother than surgical birth in the magazines for a change, and good to hear celebs beingpositive role models. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke
Re: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change
I'll be interested to see what happens with how she feeds the baby since she was out buying formula according to New Idea just before the baby arrived. J - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change Hi , I read that about Bec too. In the suermarket line ( The only place I read them!!) hope she comes out and gives more detail, she is a strong role model for lots of young Australian women (tho Im not sure thats necessarily a good thing). I wonder if she had time for her epidural or if she didnt plan on one? If all went really well it would be great for her to tell the world. Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change Hi all I was looking through a recent women's magazine while having my hair done yesterday (only time I read them!) and was very pleased to see not one but two stories of celebs having normal births. Bec Cartwright was quoted as having such a speedy labour that she was in doubts of getting to the hospital on time, and Rod Stewarts latest wife who had a drug-free water birth and described it as "the most empowering and spiritual experience of her life" Not earth shattering news I know but encouraging to read somethingother than surgical birth in the magazines for a change, and good to hear celebs beingpositive role models. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke
Re: [ozmidwifery] Job in Brisbane?
Dear Di, The Birth Centre at the RWH in Brisbane is advertising at the moment. I am unsure if the applications have closed. You can contact Patricia Schneider for further details. Ring 07 36368111 and ask for her to be paged by switch. RegardsAnne Clarke - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Job in Brisbane? Hi everyone, Does any one know of any positions vacantin Brisbane, for an experienced team midwife? I have a colleague who's husband is being transfered to Brisbane. She has extensive experience in midwifery models of care, alternate therapies and is also a lactation consultant. Her ideal midwifery position would bein a caseload practice. If anyone has any suggestions to pass on to her it would be great. I think she is applying to the Redcliff hospital, are the services there woman centred? She is looking at living somewhere near there, maybe a new sub division called Mango Hill, I think. Thanks , Di__ NOD32 1.1318 (20051211) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change
yeh i nearly wrote to them after they said that shed gone out to buy 'baby essentials' like bottles and formula. but the new article said something about the midwifes helping her breastfeed in hospital. how funny that were all so up on the magazine gossip ! emilyJanet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be interested to see what happens with how she feeds the baby since she was out buying formula according to New Idea just before the baby arrived. J---! -- Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a changeHi , I read that about Bec too. In the suermarket line ( The only place I read them!!) hope she comes out and gives more detail, she is a strong role model for lots of young Australian women (tho Im not sure thats necessarily a good thing). I wonder if she had time for her epidural or if she didnt plan on one? If all went really well it would be great for her to tell the world. Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a changeHi all I was looking through a recent women's magazine while having my hair done yesterday (only time I read them!) and was very pleased to see not one but two stories of celebs having normal births. Bec Cartwright was quoted as having such a speedy labour that she was in doubts of getting to the hospital on time, and Rod Stewarts latest wife who had a drug-free water birth and described it as "the most empowering and spiritual experience of her life" Not earth shattering news I know but encouraging to read somethingother than surgical birth in the magazines for a change, and good to hear celebs beingpositive role models.Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
Re: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change
LOL It was a great topic of conversation on Natural Parenting given we're a bunch of lactavists there. A friend of mine had sent her a pro-bf tshirt for her baby too! - Original Message - From: Emily To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change yeh i nearly wrote to them after they said that shed gone out to buy 'baby essentials' like bottles and formula. but the new article said something about the midwifes helping her breastfeed in hospital. how funny that were all so up on the magazine gossip ! emilyJanet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be interested to see what happens with how she feeds the baby since she was out buying formula according to New Idea just before the baby arrived. J ---! -- Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change Hi , I read that about Bec too. In the suermarket line ( The only place I read them!!) hope she comes out and gives more detail, she is a strong role model for lots of young Australian women (tho Im not sure thats necessarily a good thing). I wonder if she had time for her epidural or if she didnt plan on one? If all went really well it would be great for her to tell the world. Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change Hi all I was looking through a recent women's magazine while having my hair done yesterday (only time I read them!) and was very pleased to see not one but two stories of celebs having normal births. Bec Cartwright was quoted as having such a speedy labour that she was in doubts of getting to the hospital on time, and Rod Stewarts latest wife who had a drug-free water birth and described it as "the most empowering and spiritual experience of her life" Not earth shattering news I know but encouraging to read somethingother than surgical birth in the magazines for a change, and good to hear celebs beingpositive role models. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
[ozmidwifery] article FYI
http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,7890,1656341,00.html A British doctor is challenging convention to pioneer the 'natural' caesarean. Joanna Moorhead watched one baby's slow and gentle arrival Saturday December 3, 2005 The Guardian The scent of lavender fills the air and classical music is playing quietly. On the bed, Jax Martin-Betts, 42, is calm, focused and in control. With the birth of her second child just minutes away, the midwife, Jenny Smith, is giving her a massage. Her husband, Teady McErlean, is whispering words of encouragement: just a tiny bit longer, and our baby will be in our arms! It could be a natural birth at any maternity unit in Britain, but we are in an operating theatre at Queen Charlotte's and Chelsea hospital in west London, and the birth we are about to witness sounds a contradiction in terms: a natural caesarean section. Jax has been on the theatre table for half an hour, and the obstetrician, Professor Nick Fisk, has almost completed the incisions through her abdominal wall and into her uterus. OK, the baby is about to be born, he says. Let's prop you up so you can see him coming out. Smith removes the blue drape between Jax's head and her belly, and the head of the bed is lifted to give Jax a clear view. Fisk cuts into the amniotic sac and a fountain of fluid rises into the air before he rummages around to locate the baby's head. In a few seconds it comes into view, covered with the milky-white vernix that has protected it in the womb. For the next few moments, the atmosphere in the theatre is electric: Jax and Teady gasp in wonder at their new son, who is now looking around, although his lower body and legs are still inside his mother's uterus. This groundbreaking approach to surgical delivery - Fisk calls it a skin-to-skin caesarean, or walking the baby out - has been pioneered by him partly in response to the rising caesarean rate, which according to recent statistics reached a new high at 22.7% (of deliveries in England, 2003-04). Whatever your view on caesareans, for some women it's always going to be the safest choice, he explains. And while couples having normal deliveries have been given more and more opportunities to be fully involved in childbirth, very little has been done to see how we could make the experience more meaningful for those having caesareans. As Fisk started to examine the conventions of surgical delivery, he was struck by how easily they could be challenged. Why, for example, did they need to be done so quickly, when slowing them down would give the parents more chance to participate in their child's delivery and might give the baby a gentler experience of coming into the world? Why, too, was it so important for the parents to be screened off from the mother's abdomen? And was it really essential for the baby to be whisked off for an immediate medical examination, rather than delivered into the arms of his mother? What I realised was that caesareans were done a certain way because they've always been done a certain way, but in fact they can be done differently - and in a way that parents love, says Fisk. Other doctors are sometimes shocked when they hear what he is doing. They say, but surely you have to get the baby out fast so she can get oxygen straight away? And I say, when the baby is being born she's still attached to the umbilical cord and is still getting oxygen from the placenta. Caesarean birth can be gentle, just as vaginal birth can be gentle. Obstetricians are too hung up on getting from the point of incision to the birth of the baby as quickly as possible: that's been the benchmark of a skilled surgeon. But I'm challenging that because, from the baby's and from the parents' point of view, it's not very helpful. There's also a view that because the baby's chest hasn't been squeezed going through the birth canal, there are greater risks of breathing difficulties. But by leaving the baby's body inside the uterus for longer once the head is out, the body is squeezed and you see the lung liquid coming out of the baby's nose. Unless there are other risk factors, I've never known a baby born by my method to have problems - going straight onto the mother's chest helps regulate breathing. Smith, who works closely with Fisk, says it's a hit with parents. They feel more involved, which gives them a better start to family life. Breastfeeding is easier to establish, and you can see how much calmer the baby is. For Jax, the birth of Finn - who weighed 3kg 25g (7lbs 3oz) - was spellbinding. I had an emergency caesarean last time around. I'd wanted a natural water birth, but for some women it just doesn't work. This was every bit as magical: seeing Finn there in my tummy was a sight I'll savour for the rest of my life. How the baby Finn is born Minute by minute 09.24 Our first sight of baby Finn comes as Fisk gently lifts his head through the incision in
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Hm I guess for elective C/S when the woman has no other option it is certainly a better birth experience for both mum and bub, and would require so little extra effort, just a bit of lateral thinking. BUT to make it sound all so romantic is dangerous - gives more fuel to the 'too posh to push' brigade. Still surgical birth! Isn't it amazing how they can switch from one extreme to another - actually proposing that delayed cord separation is now beneficial. Radical stuff! Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Lea Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] article FYI http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,7890,1656341,00.html A British doctor is challenging convention to pioneer the 'natural' caesarean. Joanna Moorhead watched one baby's slow and gentle arrival Saturday December 3, 2005 The Guardian The scent of lavender fills the air and classical music is playing quietly. On the bed, Jax Martin-Betts, 42, is calm, focused and in control. With the birth of her second child just minutes away, the midwife, Jenny Smith, is giving her a massage. Her husband, Teady McErlean, is whispering words of encouragement: just a tiny bit longer, and our baby will be in our arms! It could be a natural birth at any maternity unit in Britain, but we are in an operating theatre at Queen Charlotte's and Chelsea hospital in west London, and the birth we are about to witness sounds a contradiction in terms: a natural caesarean section. Jax has been on the theatre table for half an hour, and the obstetrician, Professor Nick Fisk, has almost completed the incisions through her abdominal wall and into her uterus. OK, the baby is about to be born, he says. Let's prop you up so you can see him coming out. Smith removes the blue drape between Jax's head and her belly, and the head of the bed is lifted to give Jax a clear view. Fisk cuts into the amniotic sac and a fountain of fluid rises into the air before he rummages around to locate the baby's head. In a few seconds it comes into view, covered with the milky-white vernix that has protected it in the womb. For the next few moments, the atmosphere in the theatre is electric: Jax and Teady gasp in wonder at their new son, who is now looking around, although his lower body and legs are still inside his mother's uterus. This groundbreaking approach to surgical delivery - Fisk calls it a skin-to-skin caesarean, or walking the baby out - has been pioneered by him partly in response to the rising caesarean rate, which according to recent statistics reached a new high at 22.7% (of deliveries in England, 2003-04). Whatever your view on caesareans, for some women it's always going to be the safest choice, he explains. And while couples having normal deliveries have been given more and more opportunities to be fully involved in childbirth, very little has been done to see how we could make the experience more meaningful for those having caesareans. As Fisk started to examine the conventions of surgical delivery, he was struck by how easily they could be challenged. Why, for example, did they need to be done so quickly, when slowing them down would give the parents more chance to participate in their child's delivery and might give the baby a gentler experience of coming into the world? Why, too, was it so important for the parents to be screened off from the mother's abdomen? And was it really essential for the baby to be whisked off for an immediate medical examination, rather than delivered into the arms of his mother? What I realised was that caesareans were done a certain way because they've always been done a certain way, but in fact they can be done differently - and in a way that parents love, says Fisk. Other doctors are sometimes shocked when they hear what he is doing. They say, but surely you have to get the baby out fast so she can get oxygen straight away? And I say, when the baby is being born she's still attached to the umbilical cord and is still getting oxygen from the placenta. Caesarean birth can be gentle, just as vaginal birth can be gentle. Obstetricians are too hung up on getting from the point of incision to the birth of the baby as quickly as possible: that's been the benchmark of a skilled surgeon. But I'm challenging that because, from the baby's and from the parents' point of view, it's not very helpful. There's also a view that because the baby's chest hasn't been squeezed going through the birth canal, there are greater risks of breathing difficulties. But by leaving the baby's body inside the uterus for longer once the head is out, the body is squeezed and you see the lung liquid coming out of the baby's nose. Unless there are other risk factors, I've never known a baby born by my method to have
Re: [ozmidwifery] article FYI
Hard to imagine all that happening in an emergency (iatrogenic?) c-sec... It's not really new either. This bloke's been advocating it for a while now. http://www.eheart.com/cesarean/oliver.html - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] article FYI Hm I guess for elective C/S when the woman has no other option it is certainly a better birth experience for both mum and bub, and would require so little extra effort, just a bit of lateral thinking. BUT to make it sound all so romantic is dangerous - gives more fuel to the 'too posh to push' brigade. Still surgical birth! Isn't it amazing how they can switch from one extreme to another - actually proposing that delayed cord separation is now beneficial. Radical stuff! Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Lea Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] article FYI http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,7890,1656341,00.html A British doctor is challenging convention to pioneer the 'natural' caesarean. Joanna Moorhead watched one baby's slow and gentle arrival Saturday December 3, 2005 The Guardian The scent of lavender fills the air and classical music is playing quietly. On the bed, Jax Martin-Betts, 42, is calm, focused and in control. With the birth of her second child just minutes away, the midwife, Jenny Smith, is giving her a massage. Her husband, Teady McErlean, is whispering words of encouragement: just a tiny bit longer, and our baby will be in our arms! It could be a natural birth at any maternity unit in Britain, but we are in an operating theatre at Queen Charlotte's and Chelsea hospital in west London, and the birth we are about to witness sounds a contradiction in terms: a natural caesarean section. Jax has been on the theatre table for half an hour, and the obstetrician, Professor Nick Fisk, has almost completed the incisions through her abdominal wall and into her uterus. OK, the baby is about to be born, he says. Let's prop you up so you can see him coming out. Smith removes the blue drape between Jax's head and her belly, and the head of the bed is lifted to give Jax a clear view. Fisk cuts into the amniotic sac and a fountain of fluid rises into the air before he rummages around to locate the baby's head. In a few seconds it comes into view, covered with the milky-white vernix that has protected it in the womb. For the next few moments, the atmosphere in the theatre is electric: Jax and Teady gasp in wonder at their new son, who is now looking around, although his lower body and legs are still inside his mother's uterus. This groundbreaking approach to surgical delivery - Fisk calls it a skin-to-skin caesarean, or walking the baby out - has been pioneered by him partly in response to the rising caesarean rate, which according to recent statistics reached a new high at 22.7% (of deliveries in England, 2003-04). Whatever your view on caesareans, for some women it's always going to be the safest choice, he explains. And while couples having normal deliveries have been given more and more opportunities to be fully involved in childbirth, very little has been done to see how we could make the experience more meaningful for those having caesareans. As Fisk started to examine the conventions of surgical delivery, he was struck by how easily they could be challenged. Why, for example, did they need to be done so quickly, when slowing them down would give the parents more chance to participate in their child's delivery and might give the baby a gentler experience of coming into the world? Why, too, was it so important for the parents to be screened off from the mother's abdomen? And was it really essential for the baby to be whisked off for an immediate medical examination, rather than delivered into the arms of his mother? What I realised was that caesareans were done a certain way because they've always been done a certain way, but in fact they can be done differently - and in a way that parents love, says Fisk. Other doctors are sometimes shocked when they hear what he is doing. They say, but surely you have to get the baby out fast so she can get oxygen straight away? And I say, when the baby is being born she's still attached to the umbilical cord and is still getting oxygen from the placenta. Caesarean birth can be gentle, just as vaginal birth can be gentle. Obstetricians are too hung up on getting from the point of incision to the birth of the baby as quickly as possible: that's been the benchmark of a skilled surgeon. But I'm challenging that because, from the baby's and from the
