[ozmidwifery] Caesarean on demand website
Hi, This is a useful website that has issued a statement about the NIH Consensus Meeting on Cesarean on demand: http://www.childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ClickedLink=743ck=10375area=2 Cheers Andrea -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
I thought itwas disappointing that she used baby bottles to decorate the disappointinginformation! Alexxx - Original Message - From: Jo Watson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise "The baby whisperer" was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it?Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. "You *need* to do [this]" etc. No mention that every baby is different.I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;)Jo--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 3/04/2006
[ozmidwifery] Caesarean births on demand?
This interesting article was sent to me today. I am sure it will be same story in Oz -- Mothers aren't behind a vogue for caesareans By Gene Declercq and Judy Norsigian | April 3, 2006 ''TOO POSH to push. The headline, which originated in British tabloids, has been used to capture what is claimed as a trend toward an increasing number of medically elective caesareans requested by upper-class mothers. A just concluded National Institutes of Health meeting on the topic of ''Maternal Request Caesareans, both by the mere title of the conference and its draft report, suggests such a trend exists and that it contributes to a record caesarean rate in the United States. The problem is that there is no systematic evidence of such a trend. Although some studies do describe an increase in caesareans without any medical indication, this phenomenon may not represent real ''maternal request at all. These studies, based on birth certificates or hospital billing records, have no way of documenting whether the caesarean was initially sought by the mother, whether it was based on physician advice, or whether there was simply poor record keeping. Moreover, there has been only one representative national study, entitled ''Listening to Mothers, that directly surveyed mothers about their birth experience, including those who had a caesarean section. It found that far less than 1 percent of mothers who had a first caesarean had requested it. Thus, although there are undoubtedly some women who do seek elective caesareans, they are hardly enough to increase the number of caesareans by 400,000 nationally since 1996. An NIH meeting that uses the title ''Caesarean Delivery on Maternal Request may unfortunately only reinforce a public perception that women are now seeking caesareans in large numbers, without good evidence that this is the case. The emphasis on maternal request is easy to understand. With caesarean rates at an all-time high -- accounting for 1.2 million surgeries (29% of all births) in 2004 -- there is naturally interest in seeking new explanations, and ''patient choice caesareans makes for great media coverage. Such stories often include human interest elements, involve broader ethical issues, and briefly summarize a major social change. Notably, mothers with the highest caesarean rates in the United States -- African-American women over 35 -- are rarely featured in such coverage. So what then is causing the increase in caesareans? Primarily changes in obstetrical practice. The world of obstetrics has changed considerably since the days when a single obstetrician handled a caseload of women to whom he or she made an extraordinary commitment -- to be at her birth no matter when that woman went into labor. Now, the overwhelming majority of obstetrical practices are group-based, substantially reducing that individual bond with a mother. Another factor is the increasing concern about malpractice and the reality of lawsuits that may be brought even in instances when an obstetrician is not really to blame for a bad outcome. It is not surprising that in the gray area of clinical decision-making during labor, many obstetricians have substantially lowered the threshold for when they would perform a caesarean. Caesareans, especially scheduled caesareans, allow obstetricians to exercise their surgical skills, appear to decrease the likelihood of malpractice suits, and provide more control over the scheduling of hospital and office hours. Advocates of medically-elective caesareans will also cite an array of health benefits for mothers and infants from caesareans, although the NIH conference made clear that solid evidence on the benefits of caesareans is not yet available. Nonetheless, many women do hold erroneous assumptions about elective caesareans. For example, they may think of caesareans as reducing the pain that they will experience, and although regional anesthesia such as epidurals can reduce the experience of pain during childbirth, there is ample evidence of substantial pain after birth by caesarean. There is much we still don't know about the impact of caesarean or vaginal birth on health outcomes. What is clear, however, is that the growth in caesareans -- which includes mothers of all ages, races and across all medical conditions -- is the result of a complicated shift in professional practice that deserves careful scrutiny. It is not primarily about mothers pressuring doctors for caesareans, as contemporary media coverage would have us believe. Gene Declercq is assistant dean for doctoral education at the Boston University School of Public Health. Judy Norsigian is executive director of Our Bodies Ourselves. - Andrea -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] any benefit to teaching women self examination?
Maxine, A few years ago I cared for one of our teens in labour and on admission she stated that she had felt her own cervix, which I was confident about when she was able to give me a good description with only minor prompting from me. Mind you some women look at me strangely when I ask if they know what their cervix feels like. Katy - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] any benefit to teaching women self examination? Megan are you a midwife? Did you have some knowledge already or was that the first time you had felt a cervix in labour? Maxine From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Megan LarrySent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 10:18 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] any benefit to teaching women self examination? I checked my own dialation with my fourth baby (waterbirth at home), it was short labour anyway, but I just wanted to know where bubs was at. I was sitting on my toilet, just leaned back and as clear as day was a ring/circle of about 5 cm. I was impressed with how obvious it was, amazing. About an hour later I was greeting my baby. With my third baby (waterbirth at home)I also checked for progress and was surprised to find a head about 3cm in, very inspiring to know that a hard, fast labour was in fact a quick one too, only 3 hours in total. I guess its up to the individual, nothing wrong with offering the idea to women and then those who are interested can seek more info on what to expect. Some women don't even want to know they havea vagina, others embrace it. cheers Megan. __ NOD32 1.1468 (20060403) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Yes me too! It might have been Channel 7's idea thoeither way it is tragic! Helen - Original Message - From: Alexandra Gosden To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise I thought itwas disappointing that she used baby bottles to decorate the disappointinginformation! Alexxx - Original Message - From: Jo Watson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise "The baby whisperer" was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it?Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. "You *need* to do [this]" etc. No mention that every baby is different.I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;)Jo--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 3/04/2006__ NOD32 1.1468 (20060403) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] tamworth
Dear Di, I work at Tamworth Base. There are various options, classes broken into 2 parts, the first done on pregnancy etc at around 20 something weeks and the labour/birth at 30 something weeks. BF is covered between.8 weeks in all of a Tuesday or Wednesday night. Refreshers are also available. Antenatal care is a main clinic with mostly Obs etc and not much continuity of care except for those who get picked up by a midwife called Robyn. Or 2 midwifes clinics, an adolescent clinic and an aboriginal clinic. We like to book women in ASAP as there are delays in getting an appointment this is done prior to women attending any clinic. Feel free to ring me for further info. 0267669136 at home. - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] tamworth Hi wise women, My nomadic step daughter who is now close to 28 weeks is booking in to Tamworth hospital today. Does anyone have any suggestions about the birthing services there, antenatal classes, support groups or any thing of the kind? At least she is close enough for me to get to if she doesnt birth too quickly, only about 3 1/2 hours away! Thanks Di.__ NOD32 1.1468 (20060403) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] tamworth
Hi, there's a fabulous Australian Breastfeeding Association Group in Tamworth. she could get no better support on her parenting journey. To find your local group go to http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/contact/groups.html And don't forget, everyone who subscribes gets a free copy of "Breastfeeding Naturally" (usually $34.95) A gift subscription would be a fabulous thing Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: Katy O'Neill To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] tamworth Dear Di, I work at Tamworth Base. There are various options, classes broken into 2 parts, the first done on pregnancy etc at around 20 something weeks and the labour/birth at 30 something weeks. BF is covered between.8 weeks in all of a Tuesday or Wednesday night. Refreshers are also available. Antenatal care is a main clinic with mostly Obs etc and not much continuity of care except for those who get picked up by a midwife called Robyn. Or 2 midwifes clinics, an adolescent clinic and an aboriginal clinic. We like to book women in ASAP as there are delays in getting an appointment this is done prior to women attending any clinic. Feel free to ring me for further info. 0267669136 at home. - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] tamworth Hi wise women, My nomadic step daughter who is now close to 28 weeks is booking in to Tamworth hospital today. Does anyone have any suggestions about the birthing services there, antenatal classes, support groups or any thing of the kind? At least she is close enough for me to get to if she doesnt birth too quickly, only about 3 1/2 hours away! Thanks Di.__ NOD32 1.1468 (20060403) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
[ozmidwifery] National Association of Childbirth Educators website
Hi fellow listers, Just letting you know the National Association of Childbirth and Parenting Educators has a website up and running again. Membership details are available Visit www.nace.org.au Warm hug Julie Julie Clarke Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains
I have done quite a few physiological third stages and, like labours, are all different. Have had a couple of women who have been in a lot of pain until the placenta delivered, then it was cured. They complained of back pain. Both eventually asked for synto to get the placenta out and stop the pain and both times it still took a while to come after the synto. Cheers JudyNikki Macfarlane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you were with the mother who had the physiological third stage Nicole, was there any touching, pulling or tugging on the umbilical cord? If a caregiver is not commonly practicing a physiological third stage they may be putting cord traction on the cord (pulling gently) anf this can cause the pain you spoke of. I have had four physiological third stages and none have been overtly painful. I have seen hundreds and the only time the woman has mentioned pain is when the caregiver is pulling on the cord or putting pressure on the top of the uterus.There is no reason why, if everything else is normal, you cannot decline synt until a time has been reached. A physiological third stage can take a lot longer - anything between a few minutes to 2 hours is still normal - although most hospitals would be uncomfortable waiting more than 30 minutes. There is no increased risk after 30 minutes - sadly, they are smply used to seeing a placenta come a lot quicker than that because managed care is the norm now. You can always choose to have the synt. As with every other intervention, and with the option of expectant care, there are pros and cons and only you can now the acceptable option for you and your baby.Nikki Macfarlane Childbirth International www.childbirthinternational.com On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Tracy Hogg from the Uk ( who actually wrote The Baby Whisperer) did die last year BUT there are many people who claim to be baby whisperers - - usually childless themselves - not that that is always bad but how can you understand the hormonal mummy mindset that gears us up to respond to our babies when they are OUR OWN babies - so tug at OUR heartstrings? It is easy to say let them protest/ cry/ wait when they are not YOUR baby and you dont have that exquisite connection. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jane Wines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise I thought she had died last year? Is that the one from the UK - I'm sure she had a heart attack!! Jane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise The baby whisperer was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it? Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. You *need* to do [this] etc. No mention that every baby is different. I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Oh I KNOW! I forgot to mention that in my email - perhaps you should!JoOn 04/04/2006, at 1:28 PM, Alexandra Gosden wrote:I thought it was disappointing that she used baby bottles to decorate the disappointing information!Alexxx
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Hi Pinky and fellow listers, I find this aspect of broken connections quite disturbing, as I'm sure you do too, from the point of view of pregnant couples in groups they often have friends/acquaintances who have been to baby boot camp/ severe sleep school as they call it, and their friends say it was miraculous and recommend it as a definite YES! What worries me of course from the baby's aspect is the broken bond with the mum and dad - the lack of trust and connection - which we so need as parents to get through the challenges of childhood and adolescence. From the mother's point of view the broken connection, breaking the bond of care and sensitivity towards her babe, reducing the mother's intuition, reducing her nurturing role and her confidence can leave the relationship in tatters, needing repairing. In pre-natal groups (classes) there has evolved the need to explain the damage to the infant who instead of learning/experiencing loving trusting relationships as a newborn/young child learns to self settle and become detached/isolated from a young age. I will often ask my groups Do you know anyone as an adult who you cannot possibly get close to... who is cold and detached... who you couldn't feel comfortable reaching out to with a touch or to offer a hug? They all seem to get it with that question. I see them nodding their heads, thinking about it and often coming back with a variety of comments and endorsements of loving caring families. From a global perspective I wonder is it the lack of community that contributes to the perceived need for controlled crying or does controlled crying and rigid routines - creating detachment - lead towards the lack of community as some people describe these days. I feel very comfortable remaining with the notion of reading baby's signals and meeting their needs in an environment of reasonable support and this is a strong focus in my groups. Warm hug, Julie Julie Clarke Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pinky mckay Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 3:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise Tracy Hogg from the Uk ( who actually wrote The Baby Whisperer) did die last year BUT there are many people who claim to be baby whisperers - - usually childless themselves - not that that is always bad but how can you understand the hormonal mummy mindset that gears us up to respond to our babies when they are OUR OWN babies - so tug at OUR heartstrings? It is easy to say let them protest/ cry/ wait when they are not YOUR baby and you dont have that exquisite connection. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jane Wines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise I thought she had died last year? Is that the one from the UK - I'm sure she had a heart attack!! Jane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise The baby whisperer was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it? Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. You *need* to do [this] etc. No mention that every baby is different. I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] homebirth
Thought this might be of interest: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/us/03midwife.html?ex=1301716800en=ad90d0e b1ccc33a9ei=5088partner=rssnytemc=rss -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains
That's excellent, it describes exactly what I was able to feel. Its not rocket science is one of my favourite sayings, so I love this article even more. Cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jo Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 1:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains This is a small handout by Gloria Lemay (thanks Gloria) I give to clients about self checking. jo Self-Checking of Dilation and Descent From: Childbirth Quotes from Gloria Lemay http://www.birthlove.com/pages/gloria/quotes.html How to Check Your Own Cervix- it's not rocket science I think it's a good and empowering thing for a woman to check her own cervix for dilation. This is not rocket science, and you hardly need a medical degree or years of training to do it. Your vagina is a lot like your nose- other people may do harm if they put fingers or instruments up there but you have a greater sensitivity and will not do yourself any harm. The best way to do it when hugely pregnant is to sit on the toilet with one foot on the floor and one up on the seat of the toilet. Put two fingers in and go back towards your bum. The cervix in a pregnant woman feels like your lips puckered up into a kiss. On a non-pregnant woman it feels like the end of your nose. When it is dilating, one finger slips into the middle of the cervix easily (just like you could slide your finger into your mouth easily if you are puckered up for a kiss). As the dilation progresses the inside of that hole becomes more like a taught elastic band and by 5 cms dilated (5 fingerwidths) it is a perfect rubbery circle like one of those Mason jar rings that you use for canning, and about that thick. What's in the centre of that opening space is the membranes (bag of waters) that are covering the baby's head and feel like a latex balloon filled with water. If you push on them a bit you'll feel the baby's head like a hard ball (as in baseball). If the waters have released you'll feel the babe's head directly. It is time for women to take back ownership of their bodies. -Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC http://www.glorialemay.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Clarke Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 7:22 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains A bright lovely good morning to you all, In all of my groups, after fully explaining informed choice, I explain that there are three options for the women when choosing the way she would like to birth her placenta: 1. medically managed with an injection given into the thigh which will induce an artificially strong contraction to hasten the expulsion of the placenta and reduce excessive blood loss and this would be very appropriate for someone who is high risk for example; a smoker, a woman who drank alcohol very regularly throughout the later part of pregnancy, an anemic woman, those who have already had medical intervention such as an epidural, induction, etc. 2. to decline the injection 3. to take the wait and see approach... explaining to the midwife at the time (and write in the birth plan so partner understands... I would prefer to avoid the injection as a routine injection, preferring instead to hold my baby at my breast, to naturally stimulate oxytocin to expel my placenta, but am prepared to receive the injection if it is medically necessary for a big bleed I also explain the normal blood loss is 300 to 500 mls of blood and an excessive blood loss would be 600mls+ which would require an injection. There are three injections which are available for a pph or big bleed and they are Syntocinon, syntometrine and ergometrine, each one increasing in intensity and side effects such as nausea. I then simply explain that most women describe a normal physiological third stage as mild period pain, however usually this pain will increase with each subsequent baby and/or with medical intervention. As for after pains over the next 24-48 hours I am always careful to point out that this is normal and women are less likely to be overly concerned about it when they are very familiar with the very positive fact that it is the uterus returning back down to it's normal size... and that this is a very good thing and it is what a woman wants. It seems to me that with good strong positive reinforcement women recognise the benefits of normality - and keeping birth as normal as possible. I feel completely comfortable in emphasizing normality as the best, safest, and worth striving towards compared to routine or encouraged by friends (epidural), medical intervention. Warm hug to all, Julie Julie Clarke Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Hi Julie, I really like the way you have put this. I really believe that the damage to our family units and the greater community, by being rigid with parenting routines, makes for an unhealthy pattern of interpersonal relationships. We ensure the psychological and relational health of future generations by supporting women to birth well, love their babies well and rear grounded children. Thanks for articulating your thoughts so well. Cath Palmer (Midwife that lurks on ozmid and loves the discussions!! Especially loving the physiological third stage one) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Clarke Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:52 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise Hi Pinky and fellow listers, I find this aspect of broken connections quite disturbing, as I'm sure you do too, from the point of view of pregnant couples in groups they often have friends/acquaintances who have been to baby boot camp/ severe sleep school as they call it, and their friends say it was miraculous and recommend it as a definite YES! What worries me of course from the baby's aspect is the broken bond with the mum and dad - the lack of trust and connection - which we so need as parents to get through the challenges of childhood and adolescence. From the mother's point of view the broken connection, breaking the bond of care and sensitivity towards her babe, reducing the mother's intuition, reducing her nurturing role and her confidence can leave the relationship in tatters, needing repairing. In pre-natal groups (classes) there has evolved the need to explain the damage to the infant who instead of learning/experiencing loving trusting relationships as a newborn/young child learns to self settle and become detached/isolated from a young age. I will often ask my groups Do you know anyone as an adult who you cannot possibly get close to... who is cold and detached... who you couldn't feel comfortable reaching out to with a touch or to offer a hug? They all seem to get it with that question. I see them nodding their heads, thinking about it and often coming back with a variety of comments and endorsements of loving caring families. From a global perspective I wonder is it the lack of community that contributes to the perceived need for controlled crying or does controlled crying and rigid routines - creating detachment - lead towards the lack of community as some people describe these days. I feel very comfortable remaining with the notion of reading baby's signals and meeting their needs in an environment of reasonable support and this is a strong focus in my groups. Warm hug, Julie Julie Clarke Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pinky mckay Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 3:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise Tracy Hogg from the Uk ( who actually wrote The Baby Whisperer) did die last year BUT there are many people who claim to be baby whisperers - - usually childless themselves - not that that is always bad but how can you understand the hormonal mummy mindset that gears us up to respond to our babies when they are OUR OWN babies - so tug at OUR heartstrings? It is easy to say let them protest/ cry/ wait when they are not YOUR baby and you dont have that exquisite connection. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jane Wines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise I thought she had died last year? Is that the one from the UK - I'm sure she had a heart attack!! Jane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise The baby whisperer was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it? Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. You *need* to do [this] etc. No mention that every baby is different. I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] tamworth
Dear Di, This is my second try, the first did not seam to get through. I work at Tamworth but it will take too long to write all the info down so feel free to ring me on 0267669136 or email on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katy. - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] tamworth Hi wise women, My nomadic step daughter who is now close to 28 weeks is booking in to Tamworth hospital today. Does anyone have any suggestions about the birthing services there, antenatal classes, support groups or any thing of the kind? At least she is close enough for me to get to if she doesnt birth too quickly, only about 3 1/2 hours away! Thanks Di.__ NOD32 1.1468 (20060403) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains
Again, Julie I like the way you have worded the options for 3rd stage. Nicely put with no sense of swaying a mother from what she might really want to have happen. I was unaware at the time, but I was given the gift (by a fabulous and supportive collegue) of a physiological 3rd stage with the birth of my second child. It was no less painful or disruptive to the time with my newborn and was quite empowering to remain an active participant to the end. It also opened up in me an awareness of the possibility of a physiological third stage and I have been able to 'pass it forward' so to speak. I was also inspired by Michel Odent last year and his talk about 3rd stage (hormones of love) and resolved even more to view physiological 3rd stage as the norm (crazy I know) and the use of artificial hormones as the abnormal. Cath Palmer (Midwife and ozmid lurker) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Clarke Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:22 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains A bright lovely good morning to you all, In all of my groups, after fully explaining informed choice, I explain that there are three options for the women when choosing the way she would like to birth her placenta: 1. medically managed with an injection given into the thigh which will induce an artificially strong contraction to hasten the expulsion of the placenta and reduce excessive blood loss and this would be very appropriate for someone who is high risk for example; a smoker, a woman who drank alcohol very regularly throughout the later part of pregnancy, an anemic woman, those who have already had medical intervention such as an epidural, induction, etc. 2. to decline the injection 3. to take the wait and see approach... explaining to the midwife at the time (and write in the birth plan so partner understands... I would prefer to avoid the injection as a routine injection, preferring instead to hold my baby at my breast, to naturally stimulate oxytocin to expel my placenta, but am prepared to receive the injection if it is medically necessary for a big bleed I also explain the normal blood loss is 300 to 500 mls of blood and an excessive blood loss would be 600mls+ which would require an injection. There are three injections which are available for a pph or big bleed and they are Syntocinon, syntometrine and ergometrine, each one increasing in intensity and side effects such as nausea. I then simply explain that most women describe a normal physiological third stage as mild period pain, however usually this pain will increase with each subsequent baby and/or with medical intervention. As for after pains over the next 24-48 hours I am always careful to point out that this is normal and women are less likely to be overly concerned about it when they are very familiar with the very positive fact that it is the uterus returning back down to it's normal size... and that this is a very good thing and it is what a woman wants. It seems to me that with good strong positive reinforcement women recognise the benefits of normality - and keeping birth as normal as possible. I feel completely comfortable in emphasizing normality as the best, safest, and worth striving towards compared to routine or encouraged by friends (epidural), medical intervention. Warm hug to all, Julie Julie Clarke Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Lindsay Kennedy Sent: Monday, 3 April 2006 6:15 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains Just a couple of thoughts. 1 Despite a 30min limit they cannot give you treatment without your consent. So as long as you arn't bleeding out you can take longer to deliver your placenta. Logic dictates you arn't going to refuse treatment if this becomes essential and you can always change to active managment if this really become necessary. 2 Early breastfeeding is good for you and for your baby and will probably help deliver your placenta sooner. On 4/3/06, Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Physiological 3rd stage is usual in homebirths and I observe that pain is often when the placenta is separated and sitting in the cervix. The uterus is signaling, get it out. It is a sign for the woman to make efforts to expel it. This may be squat over a bucket, sit on the toilet or simply bear down. The pain goes when the placenta is expelled. Afterbirth pains then take
