Re: [ozmidwifery] Group G Strep
Try this link. There is a link to the full text article too. Group G streptococcal pneumonia and sepsis in a newborn infant. A case of neonatal pneumonia and sepsis caused by a group G Streptococcus is described. Clinical and microbiological aspects of group G streptococci are compared with those of group B streptococci. http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=273262 On 4/10/06, Michelle Windsor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone has any experience with Group G strep? We recently had a woman come through with it and I hadn't heard of it before. Some midwives thought it should be treated the same as Group B strep (ie IV ABs in labour, obs on bub) and others thought is wasn't a conern. Since then I've talked to someone from pathology who assures me it isn't a concern for the baby and no need for IV ABs etc. Just interested to know what other places do. Thanks Michelle On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. -- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers New Photo site@ Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.com Lindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets. Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
Thank-you everyone for your replies, you have been most helpful I am off to meet her now so I will let you know how I go and I will certainly email some of you off list later too thank-you for offering to help more! Im really looking forward to supporting her as a chance to deepen my knowledge and experience with this shes birthing at the RWH birth centre Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Monday, 10 April 2006 11:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault On 10/04/2006, at 6:48 PM, Justine Caines wrote: I have been saddened to hear that generally there is little understanding amongst midwives of the needs of survivors of sexual assault. The inflexibility of the system perse and the clock (for the women who take a very long time to birth as it generally is very fast or very slow) is a major impediment. I agree, Justine, there isn't really much discussion about it in hospitals at all - which is surprising (or not!) since at least 1/3 women have been sexually abused in their lives. Another consideration is the privacy of water. So is where she going supportive of deep water immersion for labour and birth?? I second this. Jo
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory
Title: Message Ive starting adding some Doulas to the list, I still need to do lots of work on it but I thought I would make it live for everyone to see and hopefully encourage more to send in details. Please feel free to forward this onto any Doulas you know I want to get you all some free publicity! http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-attendant-locator Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Honey Acharya Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 11:23 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory Kelly I think the doula listing on your site is a great idea, you are correct that it is a way for the people accessing your site to be able to find doula's in their area and itcan behard to find doula listings, it is a great way for doulas to get more out there. I think the doula register is not very popular because it is not marketed, they charge a fee, doula students can't list on there,and they are not 100% recognised as the official doula registration authority (as far as I am aware it is run by optimum birth -just one of the many doula training org's)and there is not one true registrationbody for all doulas in Australia. Perhaps on the australian doula email list we can put our heads together and make alist of all the websites we should have our details, places like bub hub, birth.com.au, joyousbirth.info, essential baby etc and now bellybelly Regards Honey
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
Hi Kelly, You can contact Natalie Dash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nat has supported quite a few women with an abusive history. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but it is important to recognise that some women experience sexual abuse for the first time while birthing. ie. an ob or midwife demands to do a VE while the woman is adimantly opposed or an episiotomy is performed while a woman and her partner are saying NO! or, as in with my first birth, being held down by a midwife and ob while he shoved his hand inside me and made rude remarks how I was not cooperating! More and more sexual assault is happening in birthing units and it needs t be addressed. 'NO MEANS NO' no matter what your proffession. Just because it's in a hospital or because it's an OB, doesn't mean it's okay. I would like to read more about this but am heading away for a week. I'll look forward to catching up with others advice when I get back. Love Abby Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering if anyone has any tips on working with women who have been involved with sexual assault? Loaded birth - she also lost her mother recently - so trying to get lots of tips and suggestions. she's feeling fearful of interventions and is due soon. The hospital recommended she get extra support so she contacted me. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Group G Strep
Dear List, This article was published July 1979 so is very old. Barbara -- Original Message --- From: Mike Lindsay Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:21:20 +1000 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Group G Strep Try this link. There is a link to the full text article too. Group G streptococcal pneumonia and sepsis in a newborn infant. A case of neonatal pneumonia and sepsis caused by a group G Streptococcus is described. Clinical and microbiological aspects of group G streptococci are compared with those of group B streptococci. http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=273262 On 4/10/06, Michelle Windsor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone has any experience with Group G strep? We recently had a woman come through with it and I hadn't heard of it before. Some midwives thought it should be treated the same as Group B strep (ie IV ABs in labour, obs on bub) and others thought is wasn't a conern. Since then I've talked to someone from pathology who assures me it isn't a concern for the baby and no need for IV ABs etc. Just interested to know what other places do. Thanks Michelle On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. -- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers New Photo site@ Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.com Lindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets. Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- End of Original Message --- -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] DEM?
Does anyone know if there is a DEM course in WA? Thanks. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Pethidine actually seems to work quite well in this situation... but not so good for babies. I'm assuming all manner of positioning was tried, such as hands and knees, rocking, etc. I have found that for some women bouncing on the birth ball through contractions is a good distractor from pain/ pressure. Other than that, it's a tough one :( Jo On 12/04/2006, at 10:52 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Group G Strep
Thanks for pointing that out Barbara. I'd completely overlooked the date when it was published. Cheers MichelleBarbara H Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List,This article was published July 1979 so is very old.Barbara-- Original Message ---From: "Mike Lindsay Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:21:20 +1000Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Group G Strep Try this link. There is a link to the full text article too. Group G streptococcal pneumonia and sepsis in a newborn infant. A case of neonatal pneumonia and sepsis caused by a group G Streptococcus is described. Clinical and microbiological aspects of group G streptococci are compared with those of group B streptococci. http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=273262 On 4/10/06, Michelle Windsor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone has any experience with Group G strep? We recently had a woman come through with it and I hadn't heard of it before. Some midwives thought it should be treated the same as Group B strep (ie IV ABs in labour, obs on bub) and others thought is wasn't a conern. Since then I've talked to someone from pathology who assures me it isn't a concern for the baby and no need for IV ABs etc. Just interested to know what other places do. Thanks Michelle On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.-- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers New Photo site@ Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.com Lindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com "Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets." Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.--- End of Original Message -This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. On Yahoo!7 360°: Your own space to share what you want with who you want!
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from 'wanting it over' to turning the baby or the baby being born. To help the physical actions, (which, because of the neural networks throughout the body, also changes the mind) the woman can be helped to say and focus on what will actually help labour progress appropriately at the right time. Concerted and repeated efforts are necessary to change the thought patterns and emotional response, especially when we are in challenging situations and labour is one of the most challenging. If the woman can be helped to change her focus and attention from pain or 'wanting it over' , this change can make big shifts in the electrical and chemical messages in her neurology which then automatically alters how her body responds and acts. Saying over and over again and getting emotional about aspects such as I welcome my baby, I'm a strong and powerful woman. I let go, my baby's coming etc changes the woman's neurology and the emotional code from impatience to one that facilitates birth. Deep relaxation and communication with the baby, talking to the baby, instructing it to turn to the perfect position for birth, to tuck its head up so it can turn perfectly, etc are all helpful thought patterns for progress. We are amazing beings and if anyone is interested in cellular biology and our fantastic body/mind and how we are one wonderful system of many interconnecting communication processes, I recommend Bruce Lipton (a cellular biologist) and his work. He has a website
