[ozmidwifery] Re: International Midwives Day Dinner

2006-04-19 Thread Barbara Stokes








Dear Midwives,

We are organising a dinner to celebrate International
Midwives Day, 5th May 06 at Eat Your Greens Eugowra, 6.30pm for 7pm. Cost is $30.00 each. Guest Speaker is NUM Forbes, Deb Wilden.

If you are interested in coming, please phone the Parkes
Maternity Unit: 68611 228 or
fax: 68621193.

We are hoping for a large area attendance, anyone interested
may attend.

RSVP this week please.

Thankyou,

Barbara Stokes Parkes








RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: International Midwives Day Dinner

2006-04-19 Thread Ken Ward



Sounds 
lovely, but a bit far to go. Is there anyone in Melbourne who would like a 
get-to-gether? 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Barbara 
  StokesSent: Wednesday, 19 April 2006 5:06 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  International Midwives Day Dinner
  
  Dear 
  Midwives,
  We are organising a dinner to 
  celebrate International Midwives Day, 5th May 06 at Eat Your 
  Greens Eugowra, 6.30pm for 
  7pm. Cost is $30.00 each. Guest Speaker is NUM Forbes, Deb Wilden.
  If you are interested in coming, 
  please phone the Parkes Maternity Unit: 
  68611 228 or fax: 
  68621193.
  We are hoping for a large area 
  attendance, anyone interested may attend.
  RSVP this week 
  please.
  Thankyou,
  Barbara 
  Stokes 
  Parkes


Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: International Midwives Day Dinner

2006-04-19 Thread Janet Fraser



There's always a get together 
at the Birthing Wisdom centre in Fairfield.
http://www.birthingwisdom.com.au

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ken 
  Ward 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:32 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  International Midwives Day Dinner
  
  Sounds lovely, but a bit far to go. Is there anyone in Melbourne who 
  would like a get-to-gether? 
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Barbara 
StokesSent: Wednesday, 19 April 2006 5:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: 
[ozmidwifery] Re: International Midwives Day Dinner

Dear 
Midwives,
We are organising a dinner to 
celebrate International Midwives Day, 5th May 06 at “Eat Your 
Greens” Eugowra, 6.30pm for 
7pm. Cost is $30.00 each. Guest Speaker is NUM Forbes, Deb 
Wilden.
If you are interested in coming, 
please phone the Parkes Maternity Unit: 68611 228 or fax: 
68621193.
We are hoping for a large area 
attendance, anyone interested may attend.
RSVP this week 
please.
Thankyou,
Barbara 
Stokes 
Parkes


Re: [ozmidwifery] yep send on your caseload refs please

2006-04-19 Thread Justine Caines
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] yep send on your caseload refs please



Hi Debbie

It may be useful to think about women having choice and that 1-2-1 care is recognised as best practice so perhaps what suits Orange should be of lesser concern!

Sorry but I am a little over what suits practitioners and organisations. Women deserve to share their most intimate moment with someone they know and hopefully trust. And we simply cannot gauge what suits women until we offer a full compliment of CHOICE.

In solidarity

Justine Caines


PS: The National Maternity Action Plan available on the Maternity Coalition Website should be useful

www.maternitycoalition.org.au







[ozmidwifery] Fw: Opinion: Don't Blame Mothers for C-Section Vogue

2006-04-19 Thread Heartlogic

Fascinating!  FYI,   warmly, Carolyn Hastie

Vogue


Moms who are too posh to push are one factor regularly cited as 
contributing to record high C-Section rates. Commentators Judy Norsigian and 
Gene Declercq say this drastically distorts the story.


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BOSTON (WOMENSENEWS)--Too posh to push.

That catchy phrase originated in 2001 headlines of British tabloids and has 
been echoing through the news media ever since. It suggests a trend toward 
an increasing number of medically elective Caesarean sections requested by 
upper-class mothers.


In late March, the National Institutes of Health held a meeting called 
Maternal Request Caesareans.


While dropping the emphasis on posh, the title of the conference and its 
draft report seem to reinforce the general impression that mothers are 
fueling the trend toward elective Caesareans, which are at record levels in 
the United States.


Problem: No systematic evidence of this is available. In addition, focusing 
on maternal request obscures a more complex story concerning changes in 
obstetrical practice.


Although some studies do describe an increase in Caesareans without any 
medical indication, this may not represent real maternal requests at all. 
These studies, based on birth certificates or hospital billing records, have 
no way of documenting whether the surgery was sought by the mother or based 
on physician advice.


Childbirth Connection, a New York-based national nonprofit with whom we have 
each separately collaborated in the past, has conducted the only 
representative national studies, Listening to Mothers, that directly 
survey mothers about their birth experience, including those who had a 
Caesarean section. The first study was published in 2002, initial findings 
of the second were completed in March.


In the most recent survey carried out in January and February 2006 among 18- 
to 45-year-old women who gave birth in U.S. hospitals to a single infant 
last year, only 1 in 252 women (0.4 percent) who had a primary Caesarean 
section without a medical reason actually chose this option herself.


Although there are undoubtedly some women who do seek elective Caesareans, 
they are hardly enough to increase the number of Caesareans by 400,000 
nationally since 1996.


Great News Story

With Caesarean rates at an all-time high--accounting for 1.2 million 
surgeries and 29 percent of all births in 2004--reporters and editors are 
naturally interested in seeking explanations and patient choice makes an 
attractive news story.


Such stories often include human interest elements, such as following one 
woman's decision to elect a Caesarean. They also involve broader ethical 
issues, such as whether individuals should have the right to choose elective 
surgery and, if so, who should pay for it.


The news coverage, however, too often gives a skewed impression of who is 
electing to have a Caesarean. Many stories on maternal request, for 
instance, feature suburban white professional women, often obstetricians 
themselves.


These stories may be interesting, but they feed an inaccurate stereotype. 
Mothers with the highest Caesarean rates in the United States--African 
American women over 35--are rarely featured in such coverage.


So if it's not maternal requests, what then is causing the increase in 
Caesareans?


Answer: Primarily changes in obstetrical practice.

Long gone are the days when a single obstetrician handled a caseload of 
women to whom he or she made the extraordinary commitment to attend her 
birth no matter when that woman went into labor.


Now, the overwhelming majority of obstetrical practices are group-based, 
substantially reducing that individual bond with a mother.


In Childbirth Connections' 2002 survey, 19 percent of mothers reported they 
had never met the person who delivered their babies and another 10 percent 
indicated they had only briefly met 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: International Midwives Day Dinner

2006-04-19 Thread Dean Jo
Title: Message



Just 
for clarification Barbara...what 'greens' were you referring too?? ;o) 

I love 
it!!!

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara 
  StokesSent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:36 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  International Midwives Day Dinner
  
  Dear 
  Midwives,
  We are organising a dinner to 
  celebrate International Midwives Day, 5th May 06 at “Eat Your 
  Greens” Eugowra, 6.30pm for 
  7pm. Cost is $30.00 each. Guest Speaker is NUM Forbes, Deb Wilden.
  If you are interested in coming, 
  please phone the Parkes Maternity Unit: 
  68611 228 or fax: 
  68621193.
  We are hoping for a large area 
  attendance, anyone interested may attend.
  RSVP this week 
  please.
  Thankyou,
  Barbara 
  Stokes 
  Parkes
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[ozmidwifery] My Placenta

2006-04-19 Thread Jo Watson

... is gone from my freezer :(

It must have been thrown out, but I don't remember doing it, and my  
husband swears he didn't - so it's a mystery!


I was going to bury it on Will's first birthday next month, and then  
get a 'Mother's Love rose from the ABA website to plant in late  
July, but I can't now.  I wanted to do something special on his  
birthday but I'm stumped for ideas!  Perhaps I will just go out and  
buy the nice pot on the day, and wait for the rose to be delivered in  
late July.


Any ideas for something to remember his birth by - apart from cake!?

(sorry it's a bit OT)

Jo

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Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push

2006-04-19 Thread safetsleep international

thats fine
if you have time would love you to have a peek at whats been keeping me very 
busy for 12 years on www,safetsleep.comwould value your feedback on 
particularly the 'medical facts and testimonials '

rgds
miriam
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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push


Miriam,
To another Carolyn, from the mail below. Sorry if I confused you.

Vedrana

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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push

vedrana
did you intend to send this to me or another carolyn somewhere else?
rgds
miriam

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From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push


Dear Carolyn,
I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth,
childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be
OK?

Warm regards,
Vedrana

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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international
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push

wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have
grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and
intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the
references for some time...thankyou
warm regards
miram
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From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push



Hello Kristen,

From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation
of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly
associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of
the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's
sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'.

That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions
to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to:

*position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges,
*such as leaning forward,
*leaning backward,
*opening the ischial spines with various strategies such
*as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum;
* lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some
doing but is a wonderful opener)
*lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc;
*the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the
baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their
abdomen -  also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with
the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to
reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front.
*Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers
of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor
to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater
degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on
the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for
increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman
needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great
for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this.

As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or
plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity.  We
are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an
article of usefulness.

From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing
brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on
a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions
overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and
capabilites, such as giving birth.

Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions
(chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous
system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc
reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self,
that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible,
is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This
director is located in  the prefrontal cortex of the brain.

From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often
associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the
associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: International Midwives Day Dinner

2006-04-19 Thread Barbara Stokes
Title: Message









Dear Jo,

Eugowra is a small village and the former
golf club has been transformed into a restaurant/wedding venue etc so the name
came from the golfing greens.

It is a lovely place, lots of old gum
trees and green grass/lawn which impresses those of us on water restrictions!

Eugowra is certainly worth a visit.

Barbara from Parkes



-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dean  Jo
Sent: Wednesday,
 19 April 2006
10:07
 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re:
International Midwives Day Dinner





Just for
clarification Barbara...what 'greens' were you referring too?? ;o) 





I love
it!!!





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Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barbara Stokes
Sent: Wednesday,
 April 19, 2006
4:36
 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re:
International Midwives Day Dinner

Dear Midwives,

We are organising a dinner to
celebrate International Midwives Day, 5th May 06 at Eat Your
Greens Eugowra, 6.30pm for 7pm. Cost is $30.00 each. Guest Speaker is NUM Forbes, Deb Wilden.

If you are interested in coming,
please phone the Parkes Maternity Unit:
68611 228 or fax: 68621193.

We are hoping for a large area
attendance, anyone interested may attend.

RSVP this week please.

Thankyou,

Barbara Stokes Parkes



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RE: [ozmidwifery] My Placenta

2006-04-19 Thread Barbara Stokes
Dear Jo,
Our local council donates 2 Australian native trees that we hand out to
each new mum and our Birth to Kindergarten literacy programme donates
a book with advice to mums/dads/family to read to the new baby every day
of his/her life.  Perhaps you could plant a tree and give your Will a
book, and get him a new one each birthday!
Hope you have a happy memory of his birth.
Regards, Barbara in Parkes

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:09 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] My Placenta

... is gone from my freezer :(

It must have been thrown out, but I don't remember doing it, and my  
husband swears he didn't - so it's a mystery!

I was going to bury it on Will's first birthday next month, and then  
get a 'Mother's Love rose from the ABA website to plant in late  
July, but I can't now.  I wanted to do something special on his  
birthday but I'm stumped for ideas!  Perhaps I will just go out and  
buy the nice pot on the day, and wait for the rose to be delivered in  
late July.

Any ideas for something to remember his birth by - apart from cake!?

(sorry it's a bit OT)

Jo

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Re: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvis

2006-04-19 Thread Kristin Beckedahl
No previous CS or pregnancies yet!



From: "brendamanning" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvisDate: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:58:05 +1000

Doh !
I think I just threw in a red herring !!!
Speed reading not always so accurate huh ?

With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

- Original Message - 
From: Ken Ward 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvis

Why are we worrying about a vbac? Has this woman already had a previous c/s?

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kristin BeckedahlSent: Tuesday, 18 April 2006 9:10 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvis

Yes! My thoughts exactly Brenda! :)



From: "brendamanning" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvisDate: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:50:43 +1000


Kristin,
No never rule a VBAC out, always consider the individual circumstances. It cost nothing to try ! You can always opt out if there are any signs of problems.
With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

- Original Message - 
From: Kristin Beckedahl 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:53 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvis


What is the likelihood of CS with a woman whose 22 and has a Hx of fracturing her pelvis in 3 places in a car accident?
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Re: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvis

2006-04-19 Thread Kristin Beckedahl
Brenda,
I did send you an email...?
Anyway its [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks!



From: "brendamanning" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvisDate: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:13:19 +1000

Kristin, 
I can't reply off-list to you re the Doula query because I don't have your email address.
Would you like to send it or are you over the 'query stage' now ???

With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

- Original Message - 
From: Kristin Beckedahl 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvis


Yes! My thoughts exactly Brenda! :)



From: "brendamanning" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvisDate: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:50:43 +1000


Kristin,
No never rule a VBAC out, always consider the individual circumstances. It cost nothing to try ! You can always opt out if there are any signs of problems.
With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

- Original Message - 
From: Kristin Beckedahl 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:53 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] fractured pelvis


What is the likelihood of CS with a woman whose 22 and has a Hx of fracturing her pelvis in 3 places in a car accident?
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: International Midwives Day Dinner

2006-04-19 Thread Dean Jo
Title: Message



Sounds 
beautifulI thought you were saying 'eat your greens' as in get rid of your 
green scrubs as midwives not being focused on the operating 
theatre...

boy! 
No guessing where my minds at!!! :o)

Ha Ha 

Jo

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara 
  StokesSent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:23 AMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  International Midwives Day Dinner
  
  Dear 
  Jo,
  Eugowra is a small 
  village and the former golf club has been transformed into a 
  restaurant/wedding venue etc so the name came from the golfing 
  greens.
  It is a lovely place, 
  lots of old gum trees and green grass/lawn which impresses those of us on 
  water restrictions!
  Eugowra is certainly 
  worth a visit.
  Barbara from 
  Parkes
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean  JoSent: Wednesday, 
  19 April 2006 
  10:07 
  PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  International Midwives Day Dinner
  
  
  Just for 
  clarification Barbara...what 'greens' were you referring too?? ;o) 
  
  
  I love 
  it!!!
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara StokesSent: Wednesday, 
April 19, 2006 
4:36 
PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
International Midwives Day Dinner
Dear 
Midwives,
We are organising a dinner to 
celebrate International Midwives Day, 5th May 06 at “Eat Your 
Greens” Eugowra, 6.30pm for 
7pm. Cost is $30.00 each. Guest Speaker is NUM Forbes, Deb 
Wilden.
If you are interested in coming, 
please phone the Parkes Maternity Unit: 68611 228 or fax: 
68621193.
We are hoping for a large area 
attendance, anyone interested may attend.
RSVP this week 
please.
Thankyou,
Barbara Stokes 
Parkes

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