Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
not sure of the title, but an awesome video. Babies are so clever!!! We watched it in the early days of our middy training and it was a real eye opener! Very inspiring Katrina On 25/04/2006, at 1:37 PM, Jo Watson wrote: I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry! Hopefully someone else knows the name of it? Jo On 25/04/2006, at 9:59 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Can anyone recommend a really good BF video..?? I have only seen Follow Me Mum which I liked very much (altho the bub was not newborn?). Are there any other good ones to chase up? Thanks -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
Could it be Breastfeeding: Babies Choice http://www.acegraphics.com.au/product/video/vt038.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 5:36 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos not sure of the title, but an awesome video. Babies are so clever!!! We watched it in the early days of our middy training and it was a real eye opener! Very inspiring Katrina On 25/04/2006, at 1:37 PM, Jo Watson wrote: I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry! Hopefully someone else knows the name of it? Jo On 25/04/2006, at 9:59 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Can anyone recommend a really good BF video..?? I have only seen Follow Me Mum which I liked very much (altho the bub was not newborn?). Are there any other good ones to chase up? Thanks -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Or is it Kangaroo Care Helen - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BF videos Could it be Breastfeeding: Babies Choice http://www.acegraphics.com.au/product/video/vt038.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri KatrinaSent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 5:36 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos not sure of the title, but an awesome video. Babies are so clever!!!We watched it in the early days of our middy training and it was a real eye opener! Very inspiringKatrinaOn 25/04/2006, at 1:37 PM, Jo Watson wrote: I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry!Hopefully someone else knows the name of it?JoOn 25/04/2006, at 9:59 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Can anyone recommend a really good BF video..?? I have only seen Follow Me Mum which I liked very much (altho the bub was not newborn?). Are there any other good ones to chase up? Thanks-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.__ NOD32 1.1505 (20060425) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Got onto 'kellymom'. They are suggesting you wake baby 2/24 during the day and 4/24 at night. This does not sit well with me. Babies need a minium of 6 feeds in 24hrs, and can feed hourly if they want, but I don't believe waking them is such a good idea, unless there is a reason such as poor weight gain, jaundice, lack of wet nappies. Kellymom also states babies loose 7% of birth weight. They can loose double this, and one should look at output and baby's behaviour and mum's supply before jumping in. I didn't bother further with this site. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 3:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Could it be that you came down with both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught? www.kellymom.com is a great site on breastfeeding, if you want to research further. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question My episodes of mastitis got less frequent after the first 3 months but I probably averaged at least one mastitis every 6 months for the entire time I was feeding (2.5yrs). Though my later mastitis were generally breast injury induced rather than infection and easily treated with homeopathics. At 12:36 PM +1000 25/4/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is very painful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine. When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Megan Larry To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
It is beautiful. Such a pity it doesn't happen in reality. We cannot leave things alone, and must try and hurry the process. I have seen many midwives and mums wanting to 'get the baby feeding' even 'enlightened' ones. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ceri KatrinaSent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 5:36 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videosnot sure of the title, but an awesome video. Babies are so clever!!!We watched it in the early days of our middy training and it was a real eye opener! Very inspiringKatrinaOn 25/04/2006, at 1:37 PM, Jo Watson wrote: I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry!Hopefully someone else knows the name of it?JoOn 25/04/2006, at 9:59 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Can anyone recommend a really good BF video..?? I have only seen Follow Me Mum which I liked very much (altho the bub was not newborn?). Are there any other good ones to chase up? Thanks-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] group B strep
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Could you mail me the link to the article, please? I'm surprised that such advice didn't come with all the extra info you just provided. I didn't know about the 7% and 14% birth weight loss, never researched it. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Got onto 'kellymom'. They are suggesting you wake baby 2/24 during the day and 4/24 at night. This does not sit well with me. Babies need a minium of 6 feeds in 24hrs, and can feed hourly if they want, but I don't believe waking them is such a good idea, unless there is a reason such as poor weight gain, jaundice, lack of wet nappies. Kellymom also states babies loose 7% of birth weight. They can loose double this, and one should look at output and baby's behaviour and mum's supply before jumping in. I didn't bother further with this site. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 3:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Could it be that you came down with both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught? www.kellymom.com is a great site on breastfeeding, if you want to research further. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question My episodes of mastitis got less frequent after the first 3 months but I probably averaged at least one mastitis every 6 months for the entire time I was feeding (2.5yrs). Though my later mastitis were generally breast injury induced rather than infection and easily treated with homeopathics. At 12:36 PM +1000 25/4/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is very painful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine. When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Megan Larry To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
One I have is called "Delivery Self Attachment". It shows a baby born without drugs self attaching to the breast and also one that was from a medicated birth. It is so sad to watch as the baby is disoriented and cannot find it's way to the breast even when the mother trys to help. Only goes for 6 mins though. regards Di Gardner - Original Message - From: Jo Watson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry! Hopefully someone else knows the name of it? Jo On 25/04/2006, at 9:59 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Can anyone recommend a really good BF video..?? I have only seen Follow Me Mum which I liked very much (altho the bub was not newborn?). Are there any other good ones to chase up? Thanks-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Thanks for the replies so far, I have been breastfeeding for 8 years straight with 4 children. The last 2 children were/are demand fed. No rules! I have never had mastitis until with this child, once a year ago and then just now. I have had a number of blocked ducts over the years, but never has it gone to the next level. I really just want to know if children can become ill from a mother who has mastitis? My little bloke made a full recovery by late morning, so he was only unwell for 24 hrs. Normally he takes a couple days to recover as well. It has just had me intrigued, and I lean towards the comments that 'They' say it can't, but common sense infers that it is possible and/or had both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught. Any further thoughts, Thanks again Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
It took 20 mins to 50 mins for the babies to crawl up and be sucking beautifully. It was also interesting that babies who were removed from the mother's abdomen, bathed, measured and then put back did self attach but half of them had a faulty sucking pattern. Gosh when I think of the babies from the days gone by that were born from choloformed mums ...sheesh I can't bear to think. regards Di Gardner - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BF videos Jo, how long does it take the baby to find the breast and begin feeding? MM I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry!
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
Hi Kristen, I like the ABA/ Sue Cox ones too. There are two, Getting it Right, and the First Week. The First week looks at BF and normal urine and stool . Getting it right is a fantastic, easy to follow, step by step instructional video, I like it better than Follow me Mum. Cheers, Di - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF videos Can anyone recommend a really good BF video..?? I have only seen Follow Me Mum which I liked very much (altho the bub was not newborn?). Are there any other good ones to chase up? Thanks-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
From memory about 30 min or so, but can't be sure. Definitely less than an hour.JoOn 25/04/2006, at 11:58 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Jo, how long does it take the baby to find the breast and begin feeding? MM I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Title: Mastitis question I would second Nicole's advice regarding to continue feeding. I t is inflamation, leading to infection of the breast tissue, not the milk. The bub is by far the best expresser!! Some babies will refuse the breast with mastitis, this is because the milk becomes more salty, as the pressure at the inflamation causes some salts to move into the milk. Sue Cox, in her book, Breastfeeding with confidence, recommends increasing the dietary garlic as this masks the saltiness and some studies have shown a preference for strongly flavoured milk, I imagine the anti bacterial properties would also be beneficial.Rest is vital, Mum and babe should take the phone off the hook, lock the door and both snuggle in bed until better, apply cold compresses to the inflamed area and ibuprofen can be used to reduce the inflamation. Triggers can be being generally run down, pressure on the breast from tight clothes, bras etc, a change in feeding patterns, nipple damage. Many of which can occur at any time during lactation. Di (IBCLC) - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is verypainful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine.When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards,Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of sharonSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
It is at the kellymom site. I was wandering around it, found the b/f bit, clicked onto the normal course of b/f then onto nursing your newborn. Have just had another quick look, and other articles seem ok. It is commonly accepted in Australia that babies can loose up to 10%, some literature says 15% of birth weight in the first couple of days. This is due to the fluid on board at birth and small amounts of colrustrum available. I have noticed that some units are very conservative and comp babies if weight loss is close to 10%, but to me this is unnecessary if all other factors are ok and only undermines mum's confidence. I agree that some babies need be woken, (my last would have starved herself, going up to 14 hrs one night when a week old), but babies should be treated as individuals, some want frequent snacks, others like a good feast now and again. as long as mum's happy, baby's happy and output good, who cares? Maureen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 6:28 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Could you mail me the link to the article, please? I'm surprised that such advice didn't come with all the extra info you just provided. I didn't know about the 7% and 14% birth weight loss, never researched it. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Got onto 'kellymom'. They are suggesting you wake baby 2/24 during the day and 4/24 at night. This does not sit well with me. Babies need a minium of 6 feeds in 24hrs, and can feed hourly if they want, but I don't believe waking them is such a good idea, unless there is a reason such as poor weight gain, jaundice, lack of wet nappies. Kellymom also states babies loose 7% of birth weight. They can loose double this, and one should look at output and baby's behaviour and mum's supply before jumping in. I didn't bother further with this site. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 3:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Could it be that you came down with both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught? www.kellymom.com is a great site on breastfeeding, if you want to research further. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question My episodes of mastitis got less frequent after the first 3 months but I probably averaged at least one mastitis every 6 months for the entire time I was feeding (2.5yrs). Though my later mastitis were generally breast injury induced rather than infection and easily treated with homeopathics. At 12:36 PM +1000 25/4/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is very painful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine. When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Megan Larry To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis
Re: [ozmidwifery] Article FYI new vaccination
I have moms who brestfeed while their babies are being vacinated, facilitating bonding and very effectivly distracting the babies. I have to ask the question. How does getting one of the diseases we vacinate against contribute to bonding and breastfeeding. rgds mike On 4/25/06, Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this really the best thing we could be doing for our precious little babies when they are first born? This is more than a pro/anti vaccination debate. Anything that interferes with early bonding, breatfeeding etc has to be questioned. Research could save newborns From: http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/ By Clare Masters April 25, 2006 NEWBORN babies could soon be vaccinated at birth against bacterial diseases after scientists discovered how to boost a baby's immune system, guarding them against possible fatal infections. Dr John Smythe, a neo-natologist at the Royal Hospital for Women at Randwick, Sydney, yesterday hailed the finding, which would close the current two-month window before a baby is immunised against the infections. Babies are already immunised against hepatitis B at birth and given a vitamin K shot but the new findings will allow newborns to be protected against a host of other infections. It's exciting because their bodies don't take up immunisations for tetanus, as an example, at that age, he said. Most adults and children can repel contagious bugs with a group of receptors called TLRs that sit on the surface of white-blood cells – the body's defence system. These recognise bacteria and viruses and trigger immune cells to attack them. But newborns' immune systems have not developed this network, making them vulnerable to conditions like tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough. By studying white blood cells from the newborns' cord blood, scientists from the Children's Hospital Boston found a way to boost a particular TLR and strengthen the infant's immune system. The researchers believe their findings could be used for a vaccination given at birth, closing off the current two-month window. From a global health perspective, if you can give a vaccine at birth, a much higher percentage of the population can be covered, researcher Ofer Levy said. He said this particular vaccination could also be given to babies as treatment for infections or as a preventive measure against a disease or bio-terrorist threat. Dr Smythe said newborns, particularly premature babies, were vulnerable to bacteria and viruses. Their immune system isn't as efficient when they encounter an infection, he told The Daily Telegraph. There isn't a huge amount at the moment that we can do. The period before they are vaccinated is a vulnerable one and this is quite a breakthrough. He said a newborn's entire system was immature and unable to cope with some bugs such as meningitis and whooping cough. -- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers New Photo site@ Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.com Lindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets. Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Megan.. I usually lurk here but just wanted to tell of my experience... I have had one bout of mastitis with symptoms just as you describe. flu-like fever, nausea, vomiting, dizziness. VERY painful reddened breast, quick onset... with the added thick (arghh), blood tinged pale green milk (sorry for graphic description)... I kept feeding my then 10 mth old, expressing and enlisting the help of her older brother who is always very keen to help out when needed I ended up getting AB's because this just seemed a little too severe and the milk was a difficult consistency to express.. I recovered very quickly 1-2 days and the children experienced no adverse effects.. (I didn't show them the milk :-) I know of a woman recently who had a nasty salmonella infection at time of birthing and baby ended up with it too (don't know much about the case but should find out) I don't know if this was whilst inutero or through breastfeeding or by other means, such as, simply contact with infected person. I'm sure you have explored all possible scenarios. :-) You sound like you got hit by the express version of the mastitis bus like me and that these symptoms were due to this event rather than another concurrent illness. Your dear boy might have simply got an upset tummy from your altered milkor he did what kids tend to do from time to time and that is suffer a quick 24 hr virus unrelated to you. I would assume that feeding throughout 'simple' illnesses would be fine with no adverse effects to baby, I haven't heard of any mother / baby separation (aka quarantine) incidences This is a very interesting question and it would be interesting to hear what the LC's recommend in regards to continued breastfeeding with various maternal (local systemic) infections. back to my lurking. Trudi interesting question - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Thanks for the replies so far, I have been breastfeeding for 8 years straight with 4 children. The last 2 children were/are demand fed. No rules! I have never had mastitis until with this child, once a year ago and then just now. I have had a number of blocked ducts over the years, but never has it gone to the next level. I really just want to know if children can become ill from a mother who has mastitis? My little bloke made a full recovery by late morning, so he was only unwell for 24 hrs. Normally he takes a couple days to recover as well. It has just had me intrigued, and I lean towards the comments that 'They' say it can't, but common sense infers that it is possible and/or had both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught. Any further thoughts, Thanks again Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
I like Getting it right by Sue Cox. Most mums find it easy to follow. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kristin Beckedahl Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 12:00 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF videos Can anyone recommend a really good BF video..?? I have only seen Follow Me Mum which I liked very much (altho the bub was not newborn?). Are there any other good ones to chase up? Thanks -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
I started doing a Lactation Advisor course at the end of my pregnancy last year, and I remember that with mastitis, no matter what is coming out (blood or pus or whatever) the baby should still be breastfeeding directly. They are better than any breast pump around, and the milk will contain extra immunities to whatever infection is in it. So, while the baby may get a touch of something, he will also get extra antibodies against the infection. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Hi, Trudi, Most *bugs* aren't necessarily passed to the baby through the milk - if they are passed to the baby it's through the normal contact mothers have with their babies, regardless of how they are fed. The mother's body begins to make antibodies which are passed through the milk to protect the baby to some extent from what the mum has. It can be tough caring for a baby when you are sick, but even tougher when you are not breastfeeding. So I don't know of any situation where ceasing to breastfeed would be a good option Barb - Original Message - From: Scott Trudi Kluge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Megan.. I usually lurk here but just wanted to tell of my experience... I have had one bout of mastitis with symptoms just as you describe. flu-like fever, nausea, vomiting, dizziness. VERY painful reddened breast, quick onset... with the added thick (arghh), blood tinged pale green milk (sorry for graphic description)... I kept feeding my then 10 mth old, expressing and enlisting the help of her older brother who is always very keen to help out when needed I ended up getting AB's because this just seemed a little too severe and the milk was a difficult consistency to express.. I recovered very quickly 1-2 days and the children experienced no adverse effects.. (I didn't show them the milk :-) I know of a woman recently who had a nasty salmonella infection at time of birthing and baby ended up with it too (don't know much about the case but should find out) I don't know if this was whilst inutero or through breastfeeding or by other means, such as, simply contact with infected person. I'm sure you have explored all possible scenarios. :-) You sound like you got hit by the express version of the mastitis bus like me and that these symptoms were due to this event rather than another concurrent illness. Your dear boy might have simply got an upset tummy from your altered milkor he did what kids tend to do from time to time and that is suffer a quick 24 hr virus unrelated to you. I would assume that feeding throughout 'simple' illnesses would be fine with no adverse effects to baby, I haven't heard of any mother / baby separation (aka quarantine) incidences This is a very interesting question and it would be interesting to hear what the LC's recommend in regards to continued breastfeeding with various maternal (local systemic) infections. back to my lurking. Trudi interesting question - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Thanks for the replies so far, I have been breastfeeding for 8 years straight with 4 children. The last 2 children were/are demand fed. No rules! I have never had mastitis until with this child, once a year ago and then just now. I have had a number of blocked ducts over the years, but never has it gone to the next level. I really just want to know if children can become ill from a mother who has mastitis? My little bloke made a full recovery by late morning, so he was only unwell for 24 hrs. Normally he takes a couple days to recover as well. It has just had me intrigued, and I lean towards the comments that 'They' say it can't, but common sense infers that it is possible and/or had both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught. Any further thoughts, Thanks again Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] need some references
Jo, Idon't know if Camden will open for births again. However, we continue to keep it on the agenda and our main focus for looking after "low risk" women so that our statistics support births coming home.I may know more at the end of the week as the Health Minister for NSW, John Hatzistergos will be coming to launch the Camden caseload model. I have had some wonderful support regarding the home birth, however, the woman's husband and mother are adament that she birth in hospital. Got to be careful what you say on here, as you just don't know who is lurking. Sonja - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] need some references HI Sonja, Is it likely that Camden will reopen for births or will the caseload midwives continue to travel to Campbelltown with their clients? Hope you found someone to support the woman wanting a hb or are you doing it?? Take care Jo Hunter x From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Sonja BarrySent: Wednesday, 19 April 2006 7:57 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] need some references I can supply you with some for a "caseload" model if you are interested. We have just started with caseload at Camden and is so far going well. More flexible for midwives and women enjoy having their own midwife. Sonja - Original Message - From: Debbie To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] need some references Hi all, Am in the midst of an assignment which entails developing a proposal for team midwifery in my rural unit here at Orange. I need some more references to support this alternative model of care from a traditional medical model. In anticipation, Debbie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Options for twins
Have you given her a copy of Justine Caines' article "High Risk birth - Defined by Whom?" found in Birth Matters vol10.1. Sonja - Original Message - From: Lesleycs To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Options for twins Dear list, I hope you can suggest a few options fora friend's daughter who is pregnant with twins and looking forwomen-friendly care. Her holisticbackground combined withinitial visits toGP andobstetricianhasleft her disturbed, defiant,and waryofgetting caught up in the system. But she is unsure of her options. I've given her some generalinformation about multiples (from 'Midwifery Matters', UK Midwifery archives, this list, AIMS, 'Birth Matters',details of MIPP etc.) together with some very-much-needed positive twin birth stories - all of which has affirmed her strong desire tokeep this pregnancy and birth normal. She lives in outer S.E. suburbs of Melbourne. Isopen to independent midwifery care, although money is an issue. Also no private health insurance. She's feels limited in her options and pushed to obstetric care by default, and is askingfornames of women-friendly practitioners. (Heard there was someone out Warrigal way?) What are her options? As 'high risk' does shequalify for any midwifery care programs? Are there any decent public shared careoptions in the area?And if she ispushed to find the money forprivate care how wouldthe cost ofindependent midwifery carecompare with an obstetrician? Any suggestions most welcome at this stage. Many thanks, Lesley
Re: [ozmidwifery] Misoprostol aka Cytotec
Does anyone have any more news on this? Is it being used in Australia? J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
