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A Doctor, aMidwife and a ShredderAmidwife was leaving the hospital one evening when she found the doctor standing in front of a shredder with a piece of paper in his hand."Listen", said the doctor, "this is important and my assistant has left. Can you make this thing work?""Certainly", said the midwife, flattered that the doctor had asked her for help.She turned the machine on, inserted the paper and pressed the start button."Excellent! Excellent!" said the doctor as his paper disappeared inside the machine. "I need two copies of that"
Re: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight
Have just finished watching Superbrats. What struck me was the calm behaviour of the children belonging to the "attachment parenting" advocates. I am probably biased but I couldn't help but notice their contentment whenthe cameraperson wasfocused on them. Helen From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight Just an FYI sorry if not appropriate. SUPERBRATSAre we bringing up a generation of brats? Have todays parents lost the plot? Some parents are ready to admit they lose control of their children as soon as theyre toddlers. The result can be spoilt, self centred, unruly kids. Kids who grow up ill-equipped to deal with the discipline of school. Do we live in a world where parents have to turn to televisions Supernanny to find out how to bring up their children? Recent studies at the University of Queensland reveal almost a third of parents have sought professional help for their childs behavioural or emotional problems. Over fifty percent of parents report high stress levels. Professor Matt Sanders, a leading expert in parenting, says we are producing me me children who cant cope with disappointments. The reasons include over-worked parents, family breakdown, and confusion about the best way to bring up kids. Not everyone agrees. The optimists claim todays kids are much happier than the seen-but-not-heard generations. Others are horrified at the tough methods of the Supernanny and her followers, arguing the discipline of the naughty corner damages children. On this weeks INSIGHT, we bring parents together with professionals who reckon they know how best to raise tomorrows generation. SUPERBRATS will be broadcast on TUESDAY MAY 23RD at 7.30pm on SBS. Repeated on FRIDAY at 1pm at MONDAY at 2pm. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support __ NOD32 1.1553 (20060522) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight
I missed it, but I am pleased to see it is repeated twice more! Will have to remember next time. I was really interested in seeing that one.JoOn 23/05/2006, at 6:58 PM, Helen and Graham wrote:Have just finished watching Superbrats. What struck me was the calm behaviour of the children belonging to the "attachment parenting" advocates. I am probably biased but I couldn't help but notice their contentment when the cameraperson wasfocused on them. Helen From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:14 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonightJust an FYI – sorry if not appropriate. SUPERBRATSAre we bringing up a generation of brats? Have today’s parents lost the plot? Some parents are ready to admit they lose control of their children as soon as they’re toddlers. The result can be spoilt, self centred, unruly kids. Kids who grow up ill-equipped to deal with the discipline of school. Do we live in a world where parents have to turn to television’s ‘Supernanny’ to find out how to bring up their children? Recent studies at the University of Queensland reveal almost a third of parents have sought professional help for their child’s behavioural or emotional problems. Over fifty percent of parents report high stress levels. Professor Matt Sanders, a leading expert in parenting, says we are producing ‘me me children’ who can’t cope with disappointments. The reasons include over-worked parents, family breakdown, and confusion about the best way to bring up kids. Not everyone agrees. The optimists claim today’s kids are much happier than the ‘seen-but-not-heard’ generations. Others are horrified at the tough methods of the Supernanny and her followers, arguing the discipline of the ‘naughty corner’ damages children. On this week’s INSIGHT, we bring parents together with professionals who reckon they know how best to raise tomorrow’s generation.“SUPERBRATS” will be broadcast on TUESDAY MAY 23RD at 7.30pm on SBS. Repeated on FRIDAY at 1pm at MONDAY at 2pm. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support __ NOD32 1.1553 (20060522) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
[ozmidwifery] Doctors!
HA ha ha ha ha oh dear. Diane Gardner A Doctor, aMidwife and a ShredderAmidwife was leaving the hospital one evening when she found the doctor standing in front of a shredder with a piece of paper in his hand."Listen", said the doctor, "this is important and my assistant has left. Can you make this thing work?""Certainly", said the midwife, flattered that the doctor had asked her for help.She turned the machine on, inserted the paper and pressed the start button."Excellent! Excellent!" said the doctor as his paper disappeared inside the machine. "I need two copies of that"
RE: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight
The only thing that I cringed at with the attachment parenting was the was she attacked the parents who admitted that they chose to smack this is only bridging a bigger gap and it could have been said better not saying I am defending the smacking, I dont agree or do it either, but were all about informing them about better ways to do things, not making them bitter about the other side. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2006 8:59 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight Have just finished watching Superbrats. What struck me was the calm behaviour of the children belonging to the attachment parenting advocates. I am probably biased but I couldn't help but notice their contentment whenthe cameraperson wasfocused on them. Helen From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight Just an FYI sorry if not appropriate. SUPERBRATS Are we bringing up a generation of brats? Have todays parents lost the plot? Some parents are ready to admit they lose control of their children as soon as theyre toddlers. The result can be spoilt, self centred, unruly kids. Kids who grow up ill-equipped to deal with the discipline of school. Do we live in a world where parents have to turn to televisions Supernanny to find out how to bring up their children? Recent studies at the University of Queensland reveal almost a third of parents have sought professional help for their childs behavioural or emotional problems. Over fifty percent of parents report high stress levels. Professor Matt Sanders, a leading expert in parenting, says we are producing me me children who cant cope with disappointments. The reasons include over-worked parents, family breakdown, and confusion about the best way to bring up kids. Not everyone agrees. The optimists claim todays kids are much happier than the seen-but-not-heard generations. Others are horrified at the tough methods of the Supernanny and her followers, arguing the discipline of the naughty corner damages children. On this weeks INSIGHT, we bring parents together with professionals who reckon they know how best to raise tomorrows generation. SUPERBRATS will be broadcast on TUESDAY MAY 23RD at 7.30pm on SBS. Repeated on FRIDAY at 1pm at MONDAY at 2pm. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support __ NOD32 1.1553 (20060522) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight
Hi Kelly - there seemed to be a lot of 'attacking' altogether. I was disappointed not to hear Sarah Buckley - saw her there but her words must have been edited - seems that unless there is some controversy or a strong opinion it isnt shown - a bit like the kids really . Im sure the family taped would have had 'quiet' moments too but they looked like wild kids - must say mum and dad seemed pretty nice and normal to me. Michael Carr -Gregg came across pretty tough and yet he is a lovely person and very sensible and reasonable in real life. perhaps working with teens he is ina slightly different space -I have a friend who works in adolescent mental health whois alsoshocked at how parents are scared of their teens and never say no yet with babies, parents are urged to set limits - ie let them cry etc when this is so inappropriate developmentally - she is frustrated that it is so 'arse up' . As an example - my daughter got a handout for her 2 week old baby from MCH nurse - city of Whitehorse - it told parentsthey could allow babies this age to cry for 20 minutes to teach them to sleep and toshow them you mean BUSINESS - business was in italics and underlined. I am appalled and not at all surprised that mum and bub who had been doing beautifully were unsettled for the next couple of days. Amazingly ( or perhaps not!) both settled again when she threw the handout in the bin - away from view on her coffee table. Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight The only thing that I cringed at with the attachment parenting was the was she attacked the parents who admitted that they chose to smack this is only bridging a bigger gap and it could have been said better not saying I am defending the smacking, I dont agree or do it either, but were all about informing them about better ways to do things, not making them bitter about the other side. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and GrahamSent: Tuesday, 23 May 2006 8:59 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight Have just finished watching Superbrats. What struck me was the calm behaviour of the children belonging to the "attachment parenting" advocates. I am probably biased but I couldn't help but notice their contentment whenthe cameraperson wasfocused on them. Helen From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight Just an FYI sorry if not appropriate. SUPERBRATSAre we bringing up a generation of brats? Have todays parents lost the plot? Some parents are ready to admit they lose control of their children as soon as theyre toddlers. The result can be spoilt, self centred, unruly kids. Kids who grow up ill-equipped to deal with the discipline of school. Do we live in a world where parents have to turn to televisions Supernanny to find out how to bring up their children? Recent studies at the University of Queensland reveal almost a third of parents have sought professional help for their childs behavioural or emotional problems. Over fifty percent of parents report high stress levels. Professor Matt Sanders, a leading expert in parenting, says we are producing me me children who cant cope with disappointments. The reasons include over-worked parents, family breakdown, and confusion about the best way to bring up kids. Not everyone agrees. The optimists claim todays kids are much happier than the seen-but-not-heard generations. Others are horrified at the tough methods of the Supernanny and her followers, arguing the discipline of the naughty corner damages children. On this weeks INSIGHT, we bring parents together with professionals who reckon they know how best to raise tomorrows generation. SUPERBRATS will be broadcast on TUESDAY MAY 23RD at 7.30pm on SBS. Repeated on FRIDAY at 1pm at MONDAY at 2pm. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support __ NOD32 1.1553 (20060522) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
[ozmidwifery] Re: First breastfeeds
Hi Melissa, I only have anecdotal evidence from 20 odd years of homebirthing where I've observed quite a number of babies not breastfeed even within the first 24 hours. These are babies who have very normal deliveries, no drugs and full access to the breast. As much as it can be uncomfortable to watch based on the texts and current managed practices, these babies all started sucking strongly when they needed to. As i am not also involved in wieghing babies on day 3 or whatever to determine weight loss/gain and don't have to hand them over to paeds etc, I am free to use my observations of wellbeing such as skin turgor, alertness, jaundice levels etc, and individualise my service to the woman. I have been working in a largish hospital on and off over the past 6 months and have been truly horrified by the interference than can and does happen with those first breastfeeds in the name of institutionalised policies. I have no answers about how this can change as there is also a huge discrepancy between the knowledge base of the staff involved. Some of the things I hear are so outrageously wrong with respect to breastfeeding and I'd have to add that so much depends on the midwife's personal story. We all should know how our own experiences play part in our attitudes and understanding of certain situations. Lots of babies are born with little interest in immediate breastfeeding and it seems we increase the stress levels of new mums so much by expecting these babies to latch on within the first hour. I do know there is research around that suggests that the first feed doesn't have to occur in that first hour. Lots of babies like to be at the breast and lick and smell but maybe not latch and suck. I've seen new mums 'attacked' by 2 or more midwives around the 6 hour mark muttering about having to feed, waking sleeping babies, grabbing women's breasts and trying (unsuccessfully) to get baby to latch on. This appears to be a common story in some hospitals, as are repeat BSL's done on an otherwise perfectly healthy newborn. What's the saying - if we keep looking for trouble we'll soon find it? It's also pretty obvious that quite a number of babies born with epidurals are slower to wake and suck - I guess in my mind this is a different situation - again I have no solutions, but I do find it all fascinating. Sue Melissa Singer wrote: Hi all wise women, I know this is something already widely discussed, but at work this morning we were discussing redeveloping our breastfeeding policy. A hot debate occurred in relation to timing of the first breastfeed. In particular if the baby does not show interest in feeding in the first few hours, length of time before we start interfering. 6 hours was being tossed around before doing BSL's, NGT feeding, gastric lavage etc. I was wondering if anyone had any links or references at hand to support allowing the healthy term baby to go longer and to have his first breastfeed when he is ready. Thanks Melissa __ NOD32 1.1454 (20060321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com
[ozmidwifery] James McKenna on Life Matters tomorrow
Life Matters on ABC Radio National Thursday May 25 9am - 10am with Richard Aedy . Tomorrow's program features some of the key speakers from the Parenting Imperitives Conference currently being held in Adelaide: * New ideas on sleeping with your baby from anthropologist James McKenna - he makes the case for sleeping in close proximity to your infant unlike other modern baby sleep experts. * Pushing Parents' Buttons - how to use it, not lose it * New Yorker writer Susan Orlean author of 'The Orchid Thief' on orchids and consuming passions Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: First breastfeeds
One of the problems of the first feed is that it has been stressed that the infant 'must' feed asap after birth. Women are told in class, and while the midwife may be perfectly happy to wait, the mum can get quite stressed. I'm happy to wait, and find it frustrating when the mum is pushing, and can't hear what I'm saying, or the next shift comes along and undermines me. I'm getting worried, too, about this lost nearly 10% and intervention happening. Babies are not being treated as indivuals, output, vigour alertness not noted. I see more babies being comped now than five years ago. And mums being expressed to comp babies before the milk's in. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Sue CooksonSent: Saturday, 3 June 2006 11:51 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Re: First breastfeedsHi Melissa,I only have anecdotal evidence from 20 odd years of homebirthing where I've observed quite a number of babies not breastfeed even within the first 24 hours. These are babies who have very normal deliveries, no drugs and full access to the breast. As much as it can be uncomfortable to watch based on the texts and current managed practices, these babies all started sucking strongly when they needed to. As i am not also involved in wieghing babies on day 3 or whatever to determine weight loss/gain and don't have to hand them over to paeds etc, I am free to use my observations of wellbeing such as skin turgor, alertness, jaundice levels etc, and individualise my service to the woman.I have been working in a largish hospital on and off over the past 6 months and have been truly horrified by the interference than can and does happen with those first breastfeeds in the name of institutionalised policies. I have no answers about how this can change as there is also a huge discrepancy between the knowledge base of the staff involved. Some of the things I hear are so outrageously wrong with respect to breastfeeding and I'd have to add that so much depends on the midwife's personal story. We all should know how our own experiences play part in our attitudes and understanding of certain situations.Lots of babies are born with little interest in immediate breastfeeding and it seems we increase the stress levels of new mums so much by expecting these babies to latch on within the first hour. I do know there is research around that suggests that the first feed doesn't have to occur in that first hour. Lots of babies like to be at the breast and lick and smell but maybe not latch and suck. I've seen new mums 'attacked' by 2 or more midwives around the 6 hour mark muttering about having to feed, waking sleeping babies, grabbing women's breasts and trying (unsuccessfully) to get baby to latch on. This appears to be a common story in some hospitals, as are repeat BSL's done on an otherwise perfectly healthy newborn. What's the saying - if we keep looking for trouble we'll soon find it? It's also pretty obvious that quite a number of babies born with epidurals are slower to wake and suck - I guess in my mind this is a different situation - again I have no solutions, but I do find it all fascinating. SueMelissa Singer wrote: Hi all wise women, I know this is something already widely discussed, but at work this morning we were discussing redeveloping our breastfeeding policy. A hot debate occurred in relation to timing of the first breastfeed. In particular if the baby does not show interest in feeding in the first few hours, length of time before we start interfering. 6 hours was being tossed around before doing BSL's, NGT feeding, gastric lavage etc. I was wondering if anyone had any links or references at hand to support allowing the healthy term baby to go longer and to have his first breastfeed when he is ready. Thanks Melissa__ NOD32 1.1454 (20060321) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com
