Re: [ozmidwifery] Article on ultrasounds from Uk
Thanks for sharing this Lisa. Amazing isn't it? They (medical folks) normalise ultrasound for pregnancy and then act surprised andtut tut about "consumer led developments" when people, thinking ultrasound is 'safe' want to have them done to "see" the baby! "Bruce Ramsay, a consultant speaking for the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecology, said: "Keepsake ultrasounds are a new consumer-led development and undoubtedly increase the exposure of the foetus to ultrasound with no obvious medical benefit." good grief! And undermining women's sense of self and intuitive knowing about being pregnant, coupled with frightening women about oh so many possible problems with being pregnantand leading to the tentative pregnancy experience of so many women (is my baby normal??? "I don't really believe I'm pregnant until I 'see' it; oh, 'low lying placenta' fears for up to 32 weeks with caesarian hanging over women's heads like the sword of Damocles)is a 'medical benefit'? grr so now it is out there that neurons are wiring in funny ways (hello? the rise in ADHD, autism etc just may be associated with ultrasound? what a surprise!) and... what about the eggs? If the ovary has its full complement of eggs (oops ova) by 6-8 weeks post conception...what does ultrasound do to the DNA/RNA in the ova hmmm I've personally wondered if ultrasound isn't a way that will naturally limit white middle class populations. A ready built population control mechanism. One way of dealing with the crazy consumerism plague of western civilisation. Carolyn Hastie - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Article on ultrasounds from Uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/08/nultra08.xml Elbert Hubbard: "The object of teaching a child is to enable him to get along without a teacher."
[ozmidwifery] Interesting article about declining rural birthing services
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20063886-2,00.html# Mum-to-be travels 2000km to give birth By Liza Kappelle August 08, 2006 08:15pm Article from: AAP Font size: + - Send this article: Print Email A MUM-to-be has been shunted more than 2000km around Western Australia for somewhere to have her baby.Kirsti Sweetman, 24, eventually gave birth to a boy in a Perth hospital on Sunday night after being turned away by two hospitals a long way north in WA's Pilbara region. She initially went to her local hospital at Tom Price, 1556km north of Perth, on Saturday, after her waters broke four weeks early. But she was not in labour and the hospital wasn't equipped to induce pregnancies, said her stepfather Steve Turner. The flying doctor was called and Kirsti was taken another 360km further north to Port Hedland hospital while her anxious partner, Tony Bassett, 27, and their three-year-old daughter Imogen followed by road. Mr Turner said he and his wife Teresa Kirsti's mum also drove to Port Hedland for the birth only to be told when they got there Kirsti would have to go to Perth. It is understood the doctors in Port Hedland thought it would be safer for her to have the baby induced in Perth. Mr Turner, however, said he believed it was because the hospital was flat out. She got to Port Hedland and they couldn't handle her cause they were too busy, he said. By now it was late, so Kirsti spent the night in the Port Hedland hospital before being flown to a Perth hospital the next morning. They induced her that night and her partner had to fly out there on a commercial flight while my wife and I brought the cars back, Mr Turner said. Mr Bassett described Kirsti's ordeal as very traumatic. The thought of missing the birth of my son, Tarkyn, that was the worst, Mr Bassett said. And the last thing that Kirsti wanted to do was go though it on her own. Mr Turner said he believed the family was shunted around because the government was stripping services out of rural and regional areas. They are taking all our services away in the country and putting them in the cities, he said. But the news on the new bub couldn't be better. Mr Bassett said his son was growing stronger by the hour and he hoped he'd soon be able to take his family back home another 1556km trip. Pilbara Health Service regional director Patrik Mellberg said Tom Price Hospital did not have the facilities to manage high-risk deliveries and a local GP had made the decision to send Ms Sweetman to the Port Headland regional hospital via the Royal Flying Doctor Service free of charge. Upon arrival at Port Hedland it was assessed that due to the patient's condition and available capacity at the hospital, it would be necessary to fly her to Perth free of charge again, for reasons of clinical safety, Mr Mellberg said. The patient was under constant medical supervision.
[ozmidwifery] Article about BF and reaction to stress
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/126/116188?printing=true Breastfed Babies Less Stressed Later? British Study: Children of Divorce Less Anxious if Breastfed as Infants ByMirandaHittiWebMD Medical News Reviewed ByLouiseChang,MDon Wednesday, August 02, 2006 Aug. 2, 2006 -- Breastfed babies appear to handle stressstress better a decade later than their bottle-fed peers. The researchers who report that finding in the Archives of Disease in Childhood's Aug. 3 advance online edition aren't ready to give breastfeedingbreastfeeding sole credit. It's possible breastfed babies have other advantages that help them cope with stress, note Scott Montgomery, BSc, PhD, and colleagues in the journal. Montgomery's team studied more than 8,900 children born in the U.K. in 1970. The children's moms were interviewed soon after giving birth, and again when the kids were 5 and 10 years old. When the kids were 5, the mothers were asked if they had breastfed their child, even for a few days, with or without additional bottle-feeding. When the children were 10, the moms were asked if they had gotten divorced in the past five years. Also, the 10-year-olds' teachers rated their in-school anxiety level. Kids at Age 10 Most of the 10-year-olds' parents hadn't divorced, but about 12% had done so within the past five years. Children from divorced families were more likely to be anxious, according to their teachers, than those with intact families. But among those whose parents had divorced, the 10-year-olds breastfed as babies were less likely to be anxious than their bottle-fed peers, based on the teacher ratings. Adjusting for other factors -- such as the mother's age and education level, smoking during pregnancypregnancy, and family social class -- didn't change the results, the study shows. The researchers also grouped the breastfed children into those who had been breastfed for up to one month, for over one month and up to three months, and over three months. How long the breastfeeding lasted didn't seem to matter when it came to lowering anxiety levels in the children from divorced homes. Breastfeeding "may be associated with lower levels of anxiety among children who have had the potentially stressful experience of parental divorce," write Montgomery and colleagues. The researchers aren't sure how to explain the pattern. Breastfeeding has well-known benefits, such as letting mothers and babies bond. Then again, breastfeeding might be a marker for other maternal or family traits that help kids handle stress, the researchers note. Breastfeeding wasn't linked to divorce risk, the researchers add. SOURCES: Montgomery, S. Archives of Disease in Childhood, Aug. 3, 2006; advance online edition. News release, BMJ Specialist Journals.
[ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
This is ironic after what has just been posted about the latest possible risks of ultrasoundHelen http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5241968.stm Breech baby checks 'miss cases' Routine pregnancy exams to check a baby is in a good position before birth are not sensitive enough, experts warn. They say simple palpation - feeling the mother's bump - misses about 24 in 100 cases of abnormal lie, where a baby is not in the normal head-down position. Knowing the lie of a baby is important because some positions, like foot first or breech, make vaginal delivery difficult or impossible. Routine ultrasound tests may be needed, says the British Medical Journal. Missed diagnoses A team at the University of Sydney studied 1,633 women in their 35th to 37th week of pregnancy who were attending an antenatal clinic at a local obstetric hospital. Each woman was examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Afterwards the women also underwent an ultrasound scan to confirm the position. Simple palpation detected 70% of the babies who were not in the ideal head-down position but missed the other 30%. It is crucial that women are provided with unbiased information and with the choice about whether they have an additional scan or not Sue Macdonald of the Royal College of Midwives The researchers reason that if this figure is applied to a general maternity population of 1,000 women, clinical examination would identify 101 women as having an abnormal lie but in only 56 would this be correct and 24 women with abnormal lie would be missed altogether. They suggested routine ultrasound scans for women late in pregnancy might help spot more babies with abnormal lie, but stressed that the cost effectiveness of such screening would have to be assessed before any services could be rolled out. Sue Macdonald of the Royal College of Midwives said: "It is possible that some babies in breech position are missed and this reinforces the need to use information from this research to inform current education and training of midwives and obstetricians." But she questioned whether routine ultrasound checks would be cost and resource effective. She added that the long-term effects of such scans on the unborn baby were not known and that doctors might come to rely on scans and become less skilled at examining. "The use of scans as a second opinion, when there is difficulty in palpation, perhaps for overweight women, is already used," she said. "However, it is crucial that women are provided with unbiased information and with the choice about whether they have an additional scan or not." Story from BBC NEWS:http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/5241968.stmPublished: 2006/08/03 23:02:10 GMT© BBC MMVI
Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting article about declining rural birthing services
way too familiar to me after having worked in the Kimberley for the past 3 years. It is awful how the "necessity"of being shipped out is worded to these women. It is one of the reasons that I left there. Cath - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ozmidwifery] Interesting article about declining rural birthing services http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20063886-2,00.html# Mum-to-be travels 2000km to give birth By Liza Kappelle August 08, 2006 08:15pm Article from: AAP Font size: + - Send this article: Print Email A MUM-to-be has been shunted more than 2000km around Western Australia for somewhere to have her baby.Kirsti Sweetman, 24, eventually gave birth to a boy in a Perth hospital on Sunday night after being turned away by two hospitals a long way north in WA's Pilbara region. She initially went to her local hospital at Tom Price, 1556km north of Perth, on Saturday, after her waters broke four weeks early. But she was not in labour and the hospital wasn't equipped to induce pregnancies, said her stepfather Steve Turner. The flying doctor was called and Kirsti was taken another 360km further north to Port Hedland hospital while her anxious partner, Tony Bassett, 27, and their three-year-old daughter Imogen followed by road. Mr Turner said he and his wife Teresa Kirsti's mum also drove to Port Hedland for the birth only to be told when they got there Kirsti would have to go to Perth. It is understood the doctors in Port Hedland thought it would be safer for her to have the baby induced in Perth. Mr Turner, however, said he believed it was because the hospital was flat out. She got to Port Hedland and they couldn't handle her cause they were too busy, he said. By now it was late, so Kirsti spent the night in the Port Hedland hospital before being flown to a Perth hospital the next morning. They induced her that night and her partner had to fly out there on a commercial flight while my wife and I brought the cars back, Mr Turner said. Mr Bassett described Kirsti's ordeal as very traumatic. The thought of missing the birth of my son, Tarkyn, that was the worst, Mr Bassett said. And the last thing that Kirsti wanted to do was go though it on her own. Mr Turner said he believed the family was shunted around because the government was stripping services out of rural and regional areas. They are taking all our services away in the country and putting them in the cities, he said. But the news on the new bub couldn't be better. Mr Bassett said his son was growing stronger by the hour and he hoped he'd soon be able to take his family back home another 1556km trip. Pilbara Health Service regional director Patrik Mellberg said Tom Price Hospital did not have the facilities to manage high-risk deliveries and a local GP had made the decision to send Ms Sweetman to the Port Headland regional hospital via the Royal Flying Doctor Service free of charge. Upon arrival at Port Hedland it was assessed that due to the patient's condition and available capacity at the hospital, it would be necessary to fly her to Perth free of charge again, for reasons of clinical safety, Mr Mellberg said. The patient was under constant medical supervision.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting article about declining rural birthing services
Tom Price Hosp seems to accept very few birthing women. My friend was sent toPerth for being over 35! Another deemed unacceptable high risk because she was birthing her 6th child! And another because she was attempting VBAC. The GP tried to put the fear of god knows what into each of these women and succeeded with their partners :( Jayne - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Interesting article about declining rural birthing services http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20063886-2,00.html# Mum-to-be travels 2000km to give birth By Liza Kappelle August 08, 2006 08:15pm Article from: AAP Font size: + - Send this article: Print Email A MUM-to-be has been shunted more than 2000km around Western Australia for somewhere to have her baby.Kirsti Sweetman, 24, eventually gave birth to a boy in a Perth hospital on Sunday night after being turned away by two hospitals a long way north in WA's Pilbara region. She initially went to her local hospital at Tom Price, 1556km north of Perth, on Saturday, after her waters broke four weeks early. But she was not in labour and the hospital wasn't equipped to induce pregnancies, said her stepfather Steve Turner. The flying doctor was called and Kirsti was taken another 360km further north to Port Hedland hospital while her anxious partner, Tony Bassett, 27, and their three-year-old daughter Imogen followed by road. Mr Turner said he and his wife Teresa Kirsti's mum also drove to Port Hedland for the birth only to be told when they got there Kirsti would have to go to Perth. It is understood the doctors in Port Hedland thought it would be safer for her to have the baby induced in Perth. Mr Turner, however, said he believed it was because the hospital was flat out. She got to Port Hedland and they couldn't handle her cause they were too busy, he said. By now it was late, so Kirsti spent the night in the Port Hedland hospital before being flown to a Perth hospital the next morning. They induced her that night and her partner had to fly out there on a commercial flight while my wife and I brought the cars back, Mr Turner said. Mr Bassett described Kirsti's ordeal as very traumatic. The thought of missing the birth of my son, Tarkyn, that was the worst, Mr Bassett said. And the last thing that Kirsti wanted to do was go though it on her own. Mr Turner said he believed the family was shunted around because the government was stripping services out of rural and regional areas. They are taking all our services away in the country and putting them in the cities, he said. But the news on the new bub couldn't be better. Mr Bassett said his son was growing stronger by the hour and he hoped he'd soon be able to take his family back home another 1556km trip. Pilbara Health Service regional director Patrik Mellberg said Tom Price Hospital did not have the facilities to manage high-risk deliveries and a local GP had made the decision to send Ms Sweetman to the Port Headland regional hospital via the Royal Flying Doctor Service free of charge. Upon arrival at Port Hedland it was assessed that due to the patient's condition and available capacity at the hospital, it would be necessary to fly her to Perth free of charge again, for reasons of clinical safety, Mr Mellberg said. The patient was under constant medical supervision.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
I was going to ask who did the palpations, but the article told me. Each woman was examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Afterwards the women also underwent an ultrasound scan to confirm the position. I agree some women are difficult to palpate, but that seems to be the time for second opinion or U/S anyway. The use of scans as a second opinion, when there is difficulty in palpation, perhaps for overweight women, is already used, she said. But surely not as high as 30%? The more routine U/S used instead of palpation, the less skilled clinicians become? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Well I wonder if this would be replicated with midwives as the palpators!! Di - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! This is ironic after what has just been posted about the latest possible risks of ultrasoundHelen http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5241968.stm Breech baby checks 'miss cases' Routine pregnancy exams to check a baby is in a good position before birth are not sensitive enough, experts warn. They say simple palpation - feeling the mother's bump - misses about 24 in 100 cases of abnormal lie, where a baby is not in the normal head-down position. Knowing the lie of a baby is important because some positions, like foot first or breech, make vaginal delivery difficult or impossible. Routine ultrasound tests may be needed, says the British Medical Journal. Missed diagnoses A team at the University of Sydney studied 1,633 women in their 35th to 37th week of pregnancy who were attending an antenatal clinic at a local obstetric hospital. Each woman was examined in the usual way by a doctor to assess the position of their baby. Afterwards the women also underwent an ultrasound scan to confirm the position. Simple palpation detected 70% of the babies who were not in the ideal head-down position but missed the other 30%. It is crucial that women are provided with unbiased information and with the choice about whether they have an additional scan or not Sue Macdonald of the Royal College of Midwives The researchers reason that if this figure is applied to a general maternity population of 1,000 women, clinical examination would identify 101 women as having an abnormal lie but in only 56 would this be correct and 24 women with abnormal lie would be missed altogether. They suggested routine ultrasound scans for women late in pregnancy might help spot more babies with abnormal lie, but stressed that the cost effectiveness of such screening would have to be assessed before any services could be rolled out. Sue Macdonald of the Royal College of Midwives said: "It is possible that some babies in breech position are missed and this reinforces the need to use information from this research to inform current education and training of midwives and obstetricians." But she questioned whether routine ultrasound checks would be cost and resource effective. She added that the long-term effects of such scans on the unborn baby were not known and that doctors might come to rely on scans and become less skilled at examining. "The use of scans as a second opinion, when there is difficulty in palpation, perhaps for overweight women, is already used," she said. "However, it is crucial that women are provided with unbiased information and with the choice about whether they have an additional scan or not." Story from BBC NEWS:http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/5241968.stmPublished: 2006/08/03 23:02:10 GMT© BBC MMVI
[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
To all you magnificent home birth warrior women out there, could you please tell me if any of your birthing women have problems with breastfeeding. I'm a middy student working on a ward at the present I'm astounded by how many women have problems with breastfeeding. If your women do not, please enlighten me as to why you think this is. If they do, again, what do you put this down to? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
Dear Gail Have you read any of Michel Odents work re oxytocin? The Scientification of Love is an entire book on this wonderful hormone. Also see Sarah Buckley's work. It is really only HB women (and not all I know but most) who experience physiological 3rd stage (yes I know a few discrete mid programs) But you could say 99% of Australian women have a managed 3rd stage. With this logic and the info re bonding etc and oxytocin. 99% of Australian women are robbed of this euphoria. This is not to say that they won't bond with their babies but that stunning love hormone that I call a drug is destroyed by it's sinister synthetic sister synto. The first feed has lost it's magic touch. Now this is all icing on the cake because I haven't even touched on the drugged out Mum and babe and the interventions etc. This is all in the privacy of the birth room (well they aren't really that private are they!) and before any of what Kelly commented on comes into play. Society cultural norms etc. What about our hopeless fragmented system with zero continuity. I was shocked when I had the twins. Health professionals who know I have HB'd 4 children and breastfed them all past 12 months said Oh you will comp Do you think you'll have enough milk blah blah Yes this was for twins, but I had a pretty good track record. But the sage advice came from one of Australia's most loving independent midwives. Jan Robinson said. Don't complement babies. Complement you. You must make that beautiful milk and treat your body right and you will. 8 months on we are still feeding beautifully. Despite the early days of 40 degrees day in day out and 4 other kids aged 6 and under. So Gail it comes from that innate wisdom of knowing that women can. How many health professionals really believe that and practice accordingly? JC -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
Hi Gail,I too wondered why breastfeeding seems so difficult and stressful for so many women... especially once I'd worked with indigenous women andsaw how easy they seemed to find it. So trying to figure it out, I noticed a few differences. Indigenous women have alot of exposure to breastfeeding as they have extended family groups with large families.They don't speak of 'trying' to breastfeed, it seems they don't even question their own ability that they will be able to do it. In my experience it is rare to see problems, and they are often associated with separation from their baby(ie prems/sick).Other things I noticed is thatindigenous women never look at the clock, there is never the comment "I only fed 5 minutes ago..." they totally feed on demand and don't put feeds off until they've eaten lunch, or the visitors have gone or whatever. They aren't ashamed of their breasts or even self-conscious. For the midwife.it's blissful! We encourage women to be instinctive with birthing their baby, maybe we should do the same with breastfeeding? (just thinking out loud)Cheers MichelleGail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all you magnificent home birth warrior women out there, could you please tell me if any of your birthing women have problems with breastfeeding. I'm a middy student working on a ward at the present I'm astounded by how many women have problems with breastfeeding.If your women do not, please enlighten me as to why you think this is. If they do, again, what do you put this down to?--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
To a certain extent I agree with Kelly: "I am no expert but I think breastfeeding has been made complex when it's not" I am also not an expert but I think time has a lot to do with it as well, starting immediately after birth as opposed to waiting.My sister gave birth three months ago in a hospital and did not get a change to feed her daughter for a couple of hours, she had difficulty getting the hang of it, and the extent of help she got from the hospital involved giving her a video to watch. I can't help but wonder how much easier she might have found it if she was permitted to go with the flow, naturally, and BF as soon as babe was near her breast? I think it has been turned into a science somewhat, that attitude of you have to learn how, when I would have thought it is natural and instinctive (just like birth). Mum's just need space and support for BFing, IMHO.Cheers Sazz "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just my own thoughts, I am no expert but I think breastfeeding has been madecomplex when it's not. Women think it's a skill that they will 'hopefully'learn and get it right, not something that will realistically happen andwhen it doesn't work, they feel like a failure. They get taught so manydifferent ways by so many different people, family, midwives, maternalhealth nurses etc to put baby here, measure a thumb width here, put the nosethere - and to ask for help is very daunting especially when they don't getit the first time. They know the ABA is there but they aren't asking forhelp. We had a discussion about this on the forums - they know its there butdon't ask...Women are less and less exposed to breastfeeding as it's become somewhattaboo to feed in some public places - once as women we observed this day today in communal / community living - now we hide in houses or behind bigtops, shawls etc in fear of embarrassing someone who might get a glimpse ofboob. I think it's very complex, but I think women definitely need to beexposed to this more and get themselves comfy with it... then it can allcome a little more naturally. Too much stress involved and the words successor failure thumping in their heads...Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail McKenzieSent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:26 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] BreastfeedingTo all you magnificent home birth warrior women out there, could you please tell me if any of your birthing women have problems with breastfeeding. I'm a middy student working on a ward at the present I'm astounded by how manywomen have problems with breastfeeding.If your women do not, please enlighten me as to why you think this is. If they do, again, what do you put this down to?--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.Sazz Eaton PhD Student Academic Tutor Melbourne Journal of Politics Editor Department of Political Science University of Melbourne +61 3 8344 9485 http://www.sazz.rfk.id.au http://www.sazziesblog.blogspot.com http://www.linguisticsazziesblog.blogspot.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
Hi Gail I'm not a home birth midwife, but I'm interested in what you're saying, because I was a student once upon a time, and I remember thinking the same. I was fortunate to gain a lot of experience with a lactation consultant who I came to respect as her 'skills' were incredible to me. Often if I was having trouble getting twins to attach, or needed help with hand expressing, I would ask her for assistance and then watch and follow her lead with assistance. In my opinion, some women have difficulty with breastfeeding and some do not. First time Mum's need the most support, but there are always exceptions to the rule. Attachment principles are important and assistance should be offered to promote successful long term breastfeeding (which we all know to be best for baby). Why do they have difficulty? There can be a number of reasons. A lack of knowledge is often the biggest problem. Not wanting to over simplify the matter, breastfeeding involves the mother and baby, specifically the nipple, breast, baby mouth, baby tongue, colostrum/milk and time. If any one of these factors is a cause for concern (flat nipple, closed baby mouth - sucking on the nipple only, letting the baby fall asleep before the feed is over, inadequate emptying of the breast, etc, then it often leads to other situations which may include delayed milk production (reduced stimulation), sore nipples, sore breasts (lumps) and so on. If Mothers are educated on best practice principles for breastfeeding (sources are many), it can save many a heartache and give the future generations a better start. Breastfeeding, like midwifery and nursing is both a science and an art. It is so rewarding to be able to give assistance to a mother who wants to feed, and hear the long term success stories. I wish you all the best with your studies. You're in a noble profession. Kind regards, Angela Rayner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail McKenzie Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:26 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding To all you magnificent home birth warrior women out there, could you please tell me if any of your birthing women have problems with breastfeeding. I'm a middy student working on a ward at the present I'm astounded by how many women have problems with breastfeeding. If your women do not, please enlighten me as to why you think this is. If they do, again, what do you put this down to? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
Hi All. The feedback I've gotten so far seems to mirror what I instinctively believe breastfeeding to be. Pamphlets that are distributed at the hospital advocate breastfeeding as a learned response from both mother and baby. Um...May I say.CRAP? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
Gail, I am the mother of four children; the first two were born in a hospital birth centre and the last two were born at home. I experienced lots of problems breastfeeding the first two - including cracked and bleeding nipples, extreme pain, difficulty latching, etc - but no problems whatsoever feeding #3 and #4. All four babies had skin on skin and the first breastfeed shortly after birth. During my hospital labours I received pethidine and nitrous oxide and experienced a managed third stage. I did receive an oxytocin injection during one of my homebirths due to very heavy bleeding after the placenta was born. I received lots and lots of conflicting bfing advice during my hospital stays with #1 and #2. I didn't really need or ask for any advice after my hbs as both babes fed without problems. I grew up seeing my mother bfing my younger siblings and it never occured to me that I would not bf. I remember seeing my mum experiencing pain during an early bf and her telling me that it can be uncomfortable the first few days but that is ok and it gets better. The best bfing advice I ever got was to persevere for the first two weeks; after that it is a breeze. So, perhaps it was the drugs in labour that caused my problems with #1 and #2. The conflicting advice in hospital didn't help. Those early issues did not dissuade me, however, and both babies were fully breastfed for some time. My homeborn babes fed like champs without any problems, although I have experienced several bouts of mastitis with all but my firstborn. Rachele Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all you magnificent home birth warrior women out there, could you please tell me if any of your birthing women have problems with breastfeeding. I'm a middy student working on a ward at the present I'm astounded by how many women have problems with breastfeeding. If your women do not, please enlighten me as to why you think this is. If they do, again, what do you put this down to? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
