Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
Hi Rachael, I'd say the same as Robyn. I can provide whatever she needs and assuming that I am familiar with the local hospital's protocols etc I can provide the woman and the hospital with appropriate documents Sue northern rivers nsw -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
No , have never been asked to do this. Any woman I have booked have wanted me for the whole deal, preganancy, birth and postnatal care. With the new state wide handheld notes documentation would be easyI have to ask...why would one chose this model of care? - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery Do any of you provide private antenatal / postnatal care for women booked to birth in a public hospital? How does this work with the hospital systems/paperwork etc. I would be really interested to know if and how this model of care works. Thanks Rachel _ Windows LiveT Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release Date: 11/29/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
I have to ask...why would one chose this model of care? It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take them somewhere they can't provide you with it? Most of the women I've seen do it are basically too chicken to stand up to their families or partners and demand what they really want - a homebirth. It seems a waste of skills to me but if a woman had a genuine medical need to be in a hospital it might be a better option than the luck of the draw she'd normally get. Otherwise, hire the MW and STAY HOME, I reckon ; ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
I have been with women plenty of times who have chosen for whatever reason to birth in hospital. My view is that it is their choice not mine. and I am happy to go with them wherever they choose. I have only once had a woman whose birth I have not attended but this was because she chose a hospital in Melbourne for her own reasons and it was not realistic for me to attend. I have never been asked to provide ante natal care for a woman who did not want me at her birth ( the reality is that by the time you have shared the pregnancy with them they always want you there for their birth. I have been asked to attend births for women who want to have their antenatal care from sources where it is cheeper/free but I decline this invitation usually. I do however get asked to do post natal and MCH care for women who I have not met antenatally and I am fine with this as it is paid advertising to potential future clients. Andrea On 30/11/2006, at 7:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No , have never been asked to do this. Any woman I have booked have wanted me for the whole deal, preganancy, birth and postnatal care. With the new state wide handheld notes documentation would be easyI have to ask...why would one chose this model of care? - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery Do any of you provide private antenatal / postnatal care for women booked to birth in a public hospital? How does this work with the hospital systems/paperwork etc. I would be really interested to know if and how this model of care works. Thanks Rachel _ Windows LiveT Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release Date: 11/29/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take them somewhere they can't provide you with it? Because if you know you have a higher than average change of NEEDING a hospital if might be nice to have someone who knows you, cares about you and will actually give you evidence based advice while you are there. Women in this situation need an ipm MORE not less if you ask me... Even my midwife confessed (after the magical homebirth) that she had expected me to end up in hospital with a medical extravaganza given my health issues. Without my midwife not only would there not have been the option of homebirth if I made it to term healthy, there probably would have been almost no chance of even a remotely natural birth in hospital, for a whole host of reasons I haven't time to explain right now. Planning a home birth should not be a requirement of hiring an IPM. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
I am an hospital based midwife and I believe that I do give evidence based care, the hospital that I work for is working on a homebirth standard presently and the group practice will soon be able to offer women homebirths provided the individual midwife is confortable to offer this service. The individual midwives in the DE are quick to develop rapport with their women and they also are good at getting to know the women and their needs. I dislike people on this list who consitantly run down hospital based midwives and the care that they provide can people please remember that IMP is not for everyone although it is a good way to develop and maintain your skills. cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 8:28 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take them somewhere they can't provide you with it? Because if you know you have a higher than average change of NEEDING a hospital if might be nice to have someone who knows you, cares about you and will actually give you evidence based advice while you are there. Women in this situation need an ipm MORE not less if you ask me... Even my midwife confessed (after the magical homebirth) that she had expected me to end up in hospital with a medical extravaganza given my health issues. Without my midwife not only would there not have been the option of homebirth if I made it to term healthy, there probably would have been almost no chance of even a remotely natural birth in hospital, for a whole host of reasons I haven't time to explain right now. Planning a home birth should not be a requirement of hiring an IPM. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 30/11/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
I am sorry, I should have added that there were no one-to-one options available to me at a hospital practical to my location and none of the women I know who have recently birthed at the hospital I was booked to have received any sort of personalised care. The care might possibly be evidenced based but certainly there is no rapport or getting to know women as individuals. If I wanted the care I described I needed and IMP in my current location. I also wanted the choice of a homebirth if I made it to term healthy enough, but that was a big if at the start of my pregnancy, which is why I was booked into a hospital too, and had a private OB to manage my medications, monitoring, and other specialist care. Our first daughter was born in a fabulous hospital in Adelaide and the care provide to us by the midwives could not be faulted. If that hospital were still an option for us we might have made some different choices, though it's highly unlikely I would have qualified for midwife care in the public hospital system given my high risk status. On 01/12/2006, at 11:45 AM, sharon wrote: I am an hospital based midwife and I believe that I do give evidence based care, the hospital that I work for is working on a homebirth standard presently and the group practice will soon be able to offer women homebirths provided the individual midwife is confortable to offer this service. The individual midwives in the DE are quick to develop rapport with their women and they also are good at getting to know the women and their needs. I dislike people on this list who consitantly run down hospital based midwives and the care that they provide can people please remember that IMP is not for everyone although it is a good way to develop and maintain your skills. cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 8:28 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take them somewhere they can't provide you with it? Because if you know you have a higher than average change of NEEDING a hospital if might be nice to have someone who knows you, cares about you and will actually give you evidence based advice while you are there. Women in this situation need an ipm MORE not less if you ask me... Even my midwife confessed (after the magical homebirth) that she had expected me to end up in hospital with a medical extravaganza given my health issues. Without my midwife not only would there not have been the option of homebirth if I made it to term healthy, there probably would have been almost no chance of even a remotely natural birth in hospital, for a whole host of reasons I haven't time to explain right now. Planning a home birth should not be a requirement of hiring an IPM. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 30/11/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
Dear Sharon, I'm curious to know where you work? Melissa. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 11:46 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery I am an hospital based midwife and I believe that I do give evidence based care, the hospital that I work for is working on a homebirth standard presently and the group practice will soon be able to offer women homebirths provided the individual midwife is confortable to offer this service. The individual midwives in the DE are quick to develop rapport with their women and they also are good at getting to know the women and their needs. I dislike people on this list who consitantly run down hospital based midwives and the care that they provide can people please remember that IMP is not for everyone although it is a good way to develop and maintain your skills. cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 8:28 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take them somewhere they can't provide you with it? Because if you know you have a higher than average change of NEEDING a hospital if might be nice to have someone who knows you, cares about you and will actually give you evidence based advice while you are there. Women in this situation need an ipm MORE not less if you ask me... Even my midwife confessed (after the magical homebirth) that she had expected me to end up in hospital with a medical extravaganza given my health issues. Without my midwife not only would there not have been the option of homebirth if I made it to term healthy, there probably would have been almost no chance of even a remotely natural birth in hospital, for a whole host of reasons I haven't time to explain right now. Planning a home birth should not be a requirement of hiring an IPM. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 30/11/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
Hi Melissa. I work in a large tertiary based hospital in sa. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 3:10 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery Dear Sharon, I'm curious to know where you work? Melissa. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 11:46 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery I am an hospital based midwife and I believe that I do give evidence based care, the hospital that I work for is working on a homebirth standard presently and the group practice will soon be able to offer women homebirths provided the individual midwife is confortable to offer this service. The individual midwives in the DE are quick to develop rapport with their women and they also are good at getting to know the women and their needs. I dislike people on this list who consitantly run down hospital based midwives and the care that they provide can people please remember that IMP is not for everyone although it is a good way to develop and maintain your skills. cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 8:28 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take them somewhere they can't provide you with it? Because if you know you have a higher than average change of NEEDING a hospital if might be nice to have someone who knows you, cares about you and will actually give you evidence based advice while you are there. Women in this situation need an ipm MORE not less if you ask me... Even my midwife confessed (after the magical homebirth) that she had expected me to end up in hospital with a medical extravaganza given my health issues. Without my midwife not only would there not have been the option of homebirth if I made it to term healthy, there probably would have been almost no chance of even a remotely natural birth in hospital, for a whole host of reasons I haven't time to explain right now. Planning a home birth should not be a requirement of hiring an IPM. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 30/11/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 30/11/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
Absolutely agree Jo that it is the women who are perhaps at higher risk that would most benefit from the continuity of care from a known midwife, the outcomes at the Women's and Children's in Adelaide have clearly shown that the women who are in high risk groups going through the MGP are having better outcomes, less intervention and more normal births, than the low risk women going through the medical model of care. Definitely food for thought...goes to show that the research is indeed right. I feel that it's the right place here to put in my 2c worth too, about IPM's and homebirth. Please remember that IPM's, while at times appearing to be superhuman - and I say that from my experience as a consumer of IPM care, they are also human. Building up a rapport with a woman over the space of a shift is indeed an art, and something I am amazed that my colleagues can do, day in day out. Really knowing a woman, having a relationship with her and her whole family that spans months, and sometimes years, having an emotional investment in helping her to achieve the best birth possible, is something that simply can't be compared with working on a shift by shift basis. If you have never stood by, and watched a woman be lied to, or coerced with untruths, or half truths, if you have never been treated appallingly by those who are your equals, but feel you are beneath them, if you have never seen the look of defeat in a woman's face as all the positive energy leaves the room and someone calls her stupid and naïve for trying to have her baby without intervention, then you have no idea about the pain that is felt, and the helplessness, and even the feeling of betrayal you feel because you can no longer protect or hold the space, for that woman. I have been in these situations, and I can really understand why some midwives prefer not to provide care to women choosing to birth in the hospital system. There is an element of self preservation about it too, let's not forget that. Sometimes, it's just too painful to go willingly and knowingly into a situation that you know is not going to go the way the woman wants. Transferring in for an obstetric need is of course, something completely different... And that's not to say that the care you provide Sharon, in the hospital in which you work, is not the best you can do, with the circumstances you have. What we all know is that it is not the best thing for all women, and according to the research, it's actually not the best thing for most women...just because it's all that's on offer doesn't mean we shouldnt be looking to improve it, and one midwife one woman care is just the beginning... Tania -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 30/11/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
where do you work ? It sounds terriffic. Can you clone such a place? Cath - Original Message - From: sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery I am an hospital based midwife and I believe that I do give evidence based care, the hospital that I work for is working on a homebirth standard presently and the group practice will soon be able to offer women homebirths provided the individual midwife is confortable to offer this service. The individual midwives in the DE are quick to develop rapport with their women and they also are good at getting to know the women and their needs. I dislike people on this list who consitantly run down hospital based midwives and the care that they provide can people please remember that IMP is not for everyone although it is a good way to develop and maintain your skills. cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 8:28 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take them somewhere they can't provide you with it? Because if you know you have a higher than average change of NEEDING a hospital if might be nice to have someone who knows you, cares about you and will actually give you evidence based advice while you are there. Women in this situation need an ipm MORE not less if you ask me... Even my midwife confessed (after the magical homebirth) that she had expected me to end up in hospital with a medical extravaganza given my health issues. Without my midwife not only would there not have been the option of homebirth if I made it to term healthy, there probably would have been almost no chance of even a remotely natural birth in hospital, for a whole host of reasons I haven't time to explain right now. Planning a home birth should not be a requirement of hiring an IPM. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 30/11/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
