RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
Lisa, a woman on BB had a terrible time with a nasty Ob, I put her in touch with MC. She joined as a member (so she could be represented) and her case was dealt with by the MC. I am not sure whats happened since but he's had complaints against him before. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:13 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition Like a said Jo, It's something I read and I wondered what it meant in terms of women. I suppose the difference between the two definitions to me is that one is directly involved with the women on a individual basis to get their opinion noted and their needs addressed. and the other is involved with changing political policy but doesn't involve individuals and their difficulties but is trying over all to change for the common good. I was just asking. Can a woman come to the MC one an individual basis and get help from to address her individual difficulties with the system. Which is what consumer advocacy implies to me. Or is it you take each case and put them together to lobby public opinion and government for change which is totally different. Or is it both. I field calls from many people with problems in the system looking for help. I do give strategies and advice but some woman aren't able to get what they want alone it would be nice to know that I could refer them on to a group that could get involved. Often they don't actually want an independent midwife but just general help. Although I do the best I can I'm one person. I didn't think the maternity coalition did that sort of thing. If they do I'll start suggesting women get in touch. Lisa Barrett -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mumsnet threats by Gina Ford's lawyers
I've not heard anything since either. but I do know some of the things they were saying I wouldn't allow on my own site, apparently they were saying ridiculous things like Gina Ford strapped babies to rockets and shot them into South Lebanon or something. ?! If it got that out of hand I would have stopped it anyway. I actually get more complaints from businesses who google their sites and find that my link is higher than theirs or near the top with bad feedback. the mums are just expressing displeasure of bad service etc (in a reasonable way) but because google likes my site so much, it puts it up there for everyone to see and of course, the business owners don't like it. It's a tricky thing! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mumsnet threats by Gina Ford's lawyers I thought this was interesting given threads last year by Kelly about similar complaints on BellyBelly. These lawyers obviously mean business. Scary stuff and a worry for free speech. I wonder what the outcome was as this happened mid last year. Helen http://www.mumsnet.com/ Mumsnet and Gina Ford It is with great regret that we have to ask members to refrain from any further discussion of Gina Ford, her methods or her books on the site. Explanation http://www.mumsnet.com/lw/state.html http://www.mumsnet.com/lw/state.html Recent statements http://www.mumsnet.com/ginaford/state08082006.html http://www.mumsnet.com/ginaford/state08082006.html Press coverage http://www.mumsnet.com/PressCoverage.html http://www.mumsnet.com/PressCoverage.html
[ozmidwifery] FW: Birth event 24 Feb
Passing it on. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Autumn Rain International Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 6:02 PM To: Melbourne Doula Network Subject: [mlbdoula] Birth event 24 Feb Hi lovely Doulas, This looks interesting! See you there if you're coming. Love, Julie From: Katherine Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello ALL you wonderful people! Ok, many of you know how much I love theatre, and supporting the natural process of Birth! Well who would have thought that I would be able to do both at the same time! http://www.birththeplay.com/bold/bold.html This site is all about a beautiful play called, BIRTH:The play! It's a collection of over a hundred stories distilled into 7 birth stories, all performed on stage. They are VERY powerfull leaving nothing out, only one is home birth, two are c-sections, 3 have epidurals, one is a natural birth in hostipal. There are the 7 women core characters, but I would like also to put one or two men on stage to represent those male roles, partners and obstertricians... it is VERY real! Which means it's funny, it's sad, it's really really wrong and will make you angry, and there are moments of complete BLISS and awesome power! OK, next... we have our first meet up on the 24th of Feb, Saturday. 11am start, meet and greet, go over what we have, what we would like to do, how far and deep we want to go. Do we also want to run a Red Tent here and create a version of this play that gives an Australian veiw of the brithing practices. Do we want to create a whole cultrual event with art exhibitions and other powerful birth films. Connect it to the Birth week up here in Kallista (if you're doing it again Bhava???) See what the other women's organizations are doing over the year to connect to. I also wanted to introduce to those that don't know it yet, the BABS group too. Then we'll break for some shared lunch (bring a plate of lush shareable food) chat amongst ourselves, and then come back and set some next time/dates to see where we want to go... from there! DATE: 24th of February VENUE: 8 Bartley Road Belgrave South TIME: 11 am - 3pm BRING: plate to share and your diary. Perhaps fold out chair/cushion. CONTACT: 9754 1416 0409953518 Katherine. Please feel free to bring the children if you need to, there is a lockable back yard, and I will put the dog away for the session. Also PASS THIS ON to any one that would like to be a part of this wonderful work, backstage, on stage, or creating the ... all the rest that could take place! Let me know if you're coming, and PASS IT ON!
RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9
Ah Pinky, then you may not have heard Janet Hall say babies need to be left to cry for 20 minutes and parents need to be tough ;) Here's the transcript for those who missed it, the video might be on their site later: By Ben McCormack Sleep deprivation can test the most joyful of new parents - we talked to the experts about the best ways ensure everyone gets some sleep. At 3am Casey Peters is waking to her nightly nightmare. Her baby Miller refuses to sleep for more than a few hours at a time and like many new parents it has left Casey sleep deprived. It's very draining - exhausting - find yourself staring at the brick wall sometimes, she said. A recent survey has found new parents lose an average of 500 hours of sleep in a year. Sleepless mum Donna says she believes it. I don't think you're really aware of it until you're in that position in the middle of the night and you're looking at your baby thinking of all the things I have to do tomorrow - how am I going to get through that with only a couple of hours sleep. We've tried putting him in a cot beside the bed - we've tried having both boys go down at the same time - we've tried lots of different things, she said. Author Pinky McKay has been helping parents rest easier for years. Pinky is a mother of five, a lactation consultant, infant massage instructor and author of several parenting books including Sleeping Like a Baby. She says you should start by giving your baby some womb service and keep the room your baby sleeps in warm and comforting. Know your baby's cues. Know the tired signs - when is a baby sleepy and gets that glassy look in its eyes - it loses interest. That's the window of opportunity to take that baby to bed, she said. Pinky says you should develop bedtime rituals like: # A baby massage before sleep - a Miami University study has found that babies massaged for 15 minutes a night were falling asleep more easily after a month of their new routine. # A relaxing bath # Play lullabies or soothing music # Breastfeed to sleep if you can Other tips from Pinky # Cut out caffeine if you are breastfeeding - it may be keeping your baby awake. # Teach your baby night from day, keep lively chatting and bright light for daytime and lower the lights and use softer tones at night. # Give baby some mum in his or her cot by slipping an unwashed t-shirt over the cot mattress. It will hold your scent and comfort baby. # Try a top-up feed just before bed. Psychologist and author of How You Can Be Boss Of Bedtime Dr Janet Hall says parents need to let their baby cry so they don't learn bad habits. The joys of parenting far outweigh sleep deprivation at the end of the day. I recommend the twenty minute rule. Don't go in until twenty minutes have passed. Parents do have to be tough - tough with themselves. Don't think you have to be super-parent who has to be there at every beckon and call of your baby - learn that if you don't pay up every time, they'll respect you for it, Dr Hall said. Pinky doesn't agree. There's more and more evidence that the stress hormones that are triggered when a baby is left to cry it out alter the stress regulation mechanism in the baby's brain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:55 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9 Thanks Judy - I didnt get to see it as I had a private consultation last night. But I have read transcripts. Pinky - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9 ACA was on after the cricket here so I saw the trailer and stayed to watch. Great Pinky, you came across as much more caring than the other woman. Cheers Judy --- Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out ACA tonight at 6.30pm, Pinky will be on about babies and sleep. Don't forget to write in and say you liked the segment ask for more of Pinky :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] New Mailing List
Fantastic Kim, sounds great! Thank-you for all your hard work (and stress) over this! :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Hunter Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:50 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] New Mailing List Hi everyone, Well, after much work, we are finally ready to launch the new Ozmidwifery List. To make it easier for everyone, you will automatically be subscribed to the new list. This should happen tonight and to confirm your subscription you will receive a welcome message containing the details you will need to know in the future. The new features of the list include the option of a digest, putting your subscription on hold while on holiday, and the ability to send attachments. Also, although the new list will only appear in plain text, formatted text messages will no longer bounce. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We hope you will enjoy the new Ozmidwifery List. Regards Kim List Admin - Kim Hunter List Administrator Birth International http://www.birthinternational.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Genuine???
Yep Mary I confirmed it and have now sent an email to the list! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:15 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Genuine??? I received this today. Is it genuine?? MM Hello We have received a request to subscribe the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the OzMidWifery mailing list. We need to make sure you want this subscription. If you do wish to subscribe, click the following link to confirm: http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwifery http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s020705265021463 rn=s020705265021463 Or, if you prefer, Reply to this message and send it back to us without altering it. If this all a mistake or you no longer wish to subscribe, simply ignore this message. If you suspect someone may be abusing your email address, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with complete details. Regards The OzMidWifery team.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Genuine???
There seems to be an error in the mailing list set-up I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as per the instruction email and it told me I was already subscribed Have now sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and will see if that works - but I think the message posting email address is wrong! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:15 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Genuine??? I received this today. Is it genuine?? MM Hello We have received a request to subscribe the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the OzMidWifery mailing list. We need to make sure you want this subscription. If you do wish to subscribe, click the following link to confirm: http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwifery http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s020705265021463 rn=s020705265021463 Or, if you prefer, Reply to this message and send it back to us without altering it. If this all a mistake or you no longer wish to subscribe, simply ignore this message. If you suspect someone may be abusing your email address, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with complete details. Regards The OzMidWifery team.
[ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9
Check out ACA tonight at 6.30pm, Pinky will be on about babies and sleep. Don't forget to write in and say you liked the segment ask for more of Pinky :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007
[ozmidwifery] Any S.A. Obs doing breech birth?
Anyone know any names / numbers? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007
RE: [ozmidwifery] Fund rebates
I agree. I have started a discussion on my forums to get their thoughts. Who is the very best person for consumers to be writing to, i.e. where will it make most impact? Perhaps there could be a draft letter somewhere that consumers can access via a webpage, (as these days, people want things served on a platter for them, AND cut into little pieces). I reckon if someone was to write a correctly addressed letter to the appropriate person and give permission to copy it, more women would be inclined to do it, as all they needed to do was print and post it, perhaps edit it a little if they want. WDYT? Email the link to all our contacts we have and hope to make a difference. I know plenty on my site will. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:38 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fund rebates The voters can and the members of Health Funds can. We midwives cannot. We independent midwives have all been trying for years and years. Sometimes the ACMI has a go, but all to no avail so far. MM _ This is totally unacceptable and bloody outrageous - how can we change this???!! Kristin Medicare does not recognise Midwives as 'professionals' competent or capable of practicing without the supervision of a doctor in Australia. Therefore it will not recompense any services provided by them to pregnant women. HOWEVER: The exception is when working in a remote community : in which case you don't even have to be a midwife to provide pre-natal care, enrolled nurses aboriginal health workers with NO mid education are considered quite competent to provide maternity care which medicare will refund for as long as they are supervised (however loosely) by a doctor (who of course knows much more about normal pregnancy childbirth then any midwife) ! If Midwives were as qualified as a chiropractor, chiropodist, naturopath, herbalist etc then they would get recognition. It would appear that we just aren't up to scratch !!! Our skills whilst working within a hospital immediately disappear once we step off the premises apparently. Amazing stuff ! I rang medicare this this week to see on any level particually medicare 16400, if they would fund childbirth education classes. Unfortuantely they don't. They suggested ringing hte major health funds, I haven't gotten there yet, but wuold be interested to know too... Rachael Now all you work from home and have your own business midwives can you please tell me how I am able to offer health fund rebates IF I decided to fun my own business from home I have been thinking of it for a while - not homebirths as such cause I want insurance for that but other midwifery services that I can offer? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A.
I am putting a resource together, in its early stages but I am working on it: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/breech-birth-in-australia Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech Ob in S.A. Can we have the names of these practitioners then? As a member of the three consumer groups, I get weekly phone calls from women wanting these kinds of births, and they have no way of finding out who might or might not support them.only yesterday I talked to someone who has a friend who has twins, second one presenting breech, and has been told that the only way to 'deliver' them is in theatre by section, and that there is 'no-one in Adelaide that would do it any differently'. I'd love to know who the ob's are that are at least open to discussing this with women, and that's how I'd frame it, if asked, that these people would be worth making an appointment with and at least talking to about it. Tania I'd like the details too. I would love to find a supportive Ob in South Australia, where I am, and like Tania would be only too happy to recommend skilled practitioners inside the system here especially if they don't encourage epidural and sytocinon. That's pretty good going. Lisa Barrett
RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife NSW Hornsby-Epping
Thanks all, huge response so she has lots to choose from :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:53 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife NSW Hornsby-Epping Dear Kelly Robyn Dempsey lives close by Ph: 98887829 www.homebirthmidwives.com.au Justine Caines Secretary Homebirth Australia PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2337 Ph: (02) 65453612 0408 21 02 73 E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.homebirthaustralia.org
[ozmidwifery] Doula in Newcastle
Doulas in Newcastle: Michelle (shell_l_d in my forums) is looking for a Doula in Newcastle, second bub, private hospital VBAC. Please email her at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007
RE: [ozmidwifery] RE:
Alan hangs out on BB (and has for a long time now!), he's very cool :) We keep joking that he'll have to be the official BB midwife as everyone wants him to live in their town, so he'll have to be the BB mobile midwife!!! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby BellyBelly Birth Support -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:34 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: Midwife Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amanda W Sent: Monday, 29 January 2007 08:38 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: As a midwife or a doula?? Thanks so much. Amanda Ward Creative Memories Consultant Ph. (07) 3261 4354 Mob, 0417 009 648 Email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:31:00 +1100 I would be available Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amanda W Sent: Sunday, 28 January 2007 21:25 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: October Amanda Ward Creative Memories Consultant Ph. (07) 3261 4354 Mob, 0417 009 648 Email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:38:14 +1100 I'm on my way down to VIC in the next couple of weeks. When do you need someone for? Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amanda W Sent: Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:28 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Hi all, Am looking for a midwife/doula that will visit Ararat. Can anyone help??? Cheers Amanda. Amanda Ward Creative Memories Consultant Ph. (07) 3261 4354 Mob, 0417 009 648 Email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search Now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_ t =757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search Now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_ t =757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2 Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fa i%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Midwife NSW Hornsby-Epping
Hello, Can anyone suggest a midwife for this woman on BB? I'm not familiar with any. Thanks! Hi, I've just discovered that I'm pregnant and am now looking for an independent midwife to assist DH and I in having a waterbirth at home. I live in Hornsby in Sydney, but we will be moving to a house somewhere between Hornsby and Epping (along the train line). Can anyone recommend someone to me please? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007
RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
If it wasn't for Pinky I wouldn't have co-slept with my two! I was very much a mainstream girl, expecting the system to look after me and tell me what to do. I met Pinky at a hospital pre-natal class 5 years ago, so it planted the seed about instinctive parenting there. After my daughter was born, I had a rough time from everyone around me who thought they knew about where a baby should be sleeping and for how long etc., and I felt guilty telling even my mothers group that I was co-sleeping. They all seemed to have it together, baking cakes, having showers, hosting dinners etc with sleeping babies. Yet I seemed the only person who had a daughter who was inconsolable unless she was attached to me 24x7 and sleep was a rare event. One midwife had even said to me in the hospital, 'I hope you won't be doing that when you get home.' Two weeks in sleep school (which was designed to be three days) that didn't 'work' so we had to leave anyway, a baby that lost weight and threw up solid foods every time as a result (even rice cereal) and me PND. So speaking to Pinky on my return, I was able to surrender and ignore all that rubbish and get on with it, which isn't as easy as it sounds for someone who felt clueless about parenting and no family support. She was a lifesaver. Both of my children have been breastfed past two also, it's a chain of events that happens with this sort of support - of course with a bub losing weight, what do you think they all told me I needed to do? :) So I strongly recommend my clients (and those on my site) read 'Sleeping Like a Baby', because it is appealing to a wide, commercial audience and I think that's the key. They all love it, and they love having certain books suggested to them to read, because there are so many out there. I have a recommended reading list I provide. But of course, many don't read these books until they really need it ;) I wish for the day where you go to the GP or wherever and get handed brochures on both homebirth and hospital birth, co-sleeping and cot sleeping etc. That would be just great. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:36 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping This story reminds me of my time working in Gove in the Northern Territory. The aboriginal women on the ward would co-sleep from day 1 and also leave their babies in their beds when they went outside to escape the airconditioning. You had to be VERY CAREFUL before you went ripping the sheets off the bed to make it. I was always afraid a baby would end up in the linen skip one day Helen - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, We have a policy that allows co-sleeping.We had more concerns about babies falling out of bed(did actually happen) rather than them being smothered by mums so our policy just makes sure the bed rail is up on which ever side of mum the baby is sleeping with a pillow against the bed rail so bub doesnt slip through.We regularly have bubs in bed with mums .Works well for both mums and bubs. All the best with getting a working policy Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/01/2007 1:54 pm Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 2000 (20070123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre
Mum gives birth in toilet Jane Metlikovec January 24, 2007 12:00am A MOTHER says her baby daughter was born in a hospital toilet bowl and had to be rescued after staff ignored her screams for help. Kay, 24, was in the final stages of labour when she was rushed by ambulance to Monash Medical Centre on Tuesday last week. In a statement to the Herald Sun yesterday, the hospital said it regretted the birth did not go according to plan. At the hospital, the Mt Waverley mother of two was told to wait in a standard share room instead of being directed to a birthing suite, despite having contractions fewer than two minutes apart. A midwife saw me when I came in and pressed on my stomach once. Nobody checked if I was dilated. I didn't even get offered a Panadol, Kay said. An hour after arriving, distressed and screaming in agony, she went to the toilet, where she gave birth to a girl. Her husband Michael, who had become frantic, had hit an emergency buzzer in panic to try to get help, but he said none came in time so he kicked down the locked door and ran in, pulling the infant from the toilet bowl. Kay said she was terrified her daughter could have died, and described the ordeal as horrific. I thought she could have been seriously hurt, or worse. If it wasn't for Michael coming to my aid, I don't know what the result would have been, Kay said. It was the most traumatic thing we have had to go through. I would have thought it would have been one of the happiest times of our lives, but it was terrible. Kay said Michael pressed the emergency buzzer three times, but no one responded until after a nearby caterer alerted medical staff. When someone finally came, Michael asked why it took so long and they told him the buzzer didn't work, Kay said. I was completely shocked. It is an emergency buzzer. This was an emergency. But the director of nursing at Monash Medical Centre, Kym Forrest, said in a statement to the Herald Sun: The buzzers were checked and both were working. The obstetrician and midwives were in fact alerted to the baby's arrival by the buzzer being sounded from Kay's room. Ms Forrest also denied the door had been kicked in. It is a dual lock which can be opened from both sides and this was the way access was achieved, she said. But Kay said the toilet cubicle, complete with broken door, looked like a murder scene. There was blood everywhere. I was screaming. It was just horrible, she said. The couple are seeking a formal apology, but Ms Forrest said they had not lodged a formal complaint with the hospital. We regret that Kay did not have the birth experience our midwives strive to provide to all the mums in their care, Ms Forrest said. We are as disappointed as Kay and Michael that the birth of their second child did not go according to plan, but babies have a mind of their own sometimes. Opposition health spokeswoman Helen Shardey called for the Government to investigate: It is just lucky the baby was not seriously injured in this fiasco. A spokeswoman for Health Minister Bronwyn Pike said it was an operational matter for the hospital to deal with. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] ABPNS Conference - Andrea, Justine, Barb Carolyn to speak
As the subject states, updated industry speakers include Andrea Robertson (Birth International), Justine Caines (MC), Carolyn Hastie (Midwifery Manager, Belmont Birth Centre) and Barb Glare (ABA) who will all speak on the current and past industry challenges and achievements, and how/what we can all help move forward sooner. I have also invited Nicola Roxton from the ALP party, she is currently on leave, but I am chasing it up as quick as I can and shall use my best powers of persuasion! A reminder that this event in the Sofitel Melbourne is a once-off event only. Due to the huge amounts of time and effort required in planning these conferences, I am not planning on running this event again. So once we're full, we're full - the other rooms are booked out so we can't get more space. If you want this one and only opportunity to hear our best Australian industry speakers in the one room, while learning the secrets to getting your message across to consumers, the media and developing personally and professionally, you need to make a commitment to be there and book quickly. Be involved in an industry first. http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ - while you are there don't forget to add yourself to the mailing list for updates. If you can help in any way distributing flyers or spreading the word, please email me. Looking forward to seeing you there - it's going to be an amazing, charged conference - you'll be soo disappointed if you miss it. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] Doula Needed Caroline Springs Area / Sunshine (VIC)
A doula is needed for a Deonee Meyers in Caroline Springs, going to Sunshine. It's her first bub and due to circumstances her hubby will not be there (something going on there - I think he's too freaked out about the whole thing) you can email her [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] Article: US Mums Need Breastfeeding Education
US mums need breast feeding education - study Reuters | Saturday, 13 January 2007 NEW YORK: A growing number of Americans incorrectly believe that infant formula is as good as breast milk, while more are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with mothers breast-feeding their infants in public, a survey has found. The findings underscore the need to educate the general public that breast-feeding is the best method of feeding and nurturing infants, Dr Rowe Li and colleagues from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta wrote in the January issue of the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. Li and her team noted that while health experts recommend infants be breast fed for at least a year, and receive breast milk alone until they reach six months of age, the percentage of US infants exclusively breast fed at six months is 14 per cent, while just 18 per cent continue to receive breast milk at 12 months of age. The same survey, conducted in 2004, found 71 per cent of children had ever been breast fed. To investigate public attitudes toward breast-feeding, which play a key role in whether a woman decides to initiate and persist with breast-feeding, Li and her team compared results from two nationwide surveys conducted in 1999 and 2003 by the public relations firm Porter Novelli. In 1999, 14.3 per cent of those surveyed agreed that infant formula is as good as breast milk, compared to 25.7 per cent in 2003, the researchers found. And there was a small increase in the percentage of people who agreed with the statement that mothers who breast-feed should do so in private places only, from 34.8 per cent to 37 per cent. The percentage who said they were comfortable being near a mother breast-feeding her infant in public fell from 49.9 per cent to 48.1 per cent. While rates of breast-feeding among US mothers have been on the rise since 1990, Li and her team note the percentage of women who started breast-feeding fell for the first time between 2002 and 2003, from about 70 per cent to 66 per cent. The findings imply that despite widespread information on the benefits of breast-feeding, the trend in national opinion might be that infant formula is as good as breast milk, Li and her colleagues state. This may at least in part be due to the introduction of formulas that contain long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids in 2002, the researchers note, which have been advertised as mimicking the positive influence of breast milk on brain and vision development. Also, the researchers note, spending on advertising for infant formula rose from $US29 million ($NZ42.77 million) in 1999 to $US46 million in 2004. SOURCE: Journal of the American Dietetic Association, January 2007. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
RE: [ozmidwifery] where has this list gone?
Nah, not throwing it out the window at all, I see it as having great potential and a great opportunity to learn and develop for Australia. It's great for everyone to know what you've just said Justine, as no-one really knows anything about what's going on, and all the work occurring behind the scenes. The more we know about progress, the more we can work together and understand the whys and hows and get excited. Also good for morale I think, seeing and hearing progress... but with that you also need to talk challenges, goals and improvements to be made. Perhaps you might like to speak at the conference and let us know what you have been doing, what you are hoping to do and how you are working with NZ to help our case here? I would be more than happy, I am sure everyone would love to know and also ways they can help women have more options in Australia. Lyn Allison is going to be listening - its an opportunity to be heard which we can't miss, no matter how many times we have to say it. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby BellyBelly Birth Support -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:47 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] where has this list gone? Dear Kelly and all Some additional information may assist you before you totally throw the NZ model out the window. For those of us who have lobbied at high levels, and been involved with writing (and selling!) NMAP etc we needed to totally understand the good and the bad of NZ. Kelly your statements re intervention in NZ on a broad brush are not totally true. One of the major down falls of the stats (ie c/s) is the midwifery interaction with obstetrics (ie large metro units that have the greatest birth numbers). To prove this look at the NZ rural units stats where midwives are providing a total care package without an obstetric unit and epidural service at the door. These stats are stunning. The funding arrangement is NZ is wonderful. It gives parity to each maternity health professional undertaking the same work. It has been legislated (s88). It also places the woman at the centre to choose her carer and direct payment accordingly. The consumer focus re dispute resolution is stunning. (Are you aware of this Kelly) Compare all of this with Australia. Women are mostly treated as a piece of meat that will make them money. Last week I heard a GP/Ob respond to 6 complaints with Well I'm trying to run a business. Australian women have no real choice. Choice of a private Hosp and private Ob is NOT choice. 1% access to midwifery is NOT CHOICE. So one of the major solutions for them (NZ) and us is a total midwifery scope of practice that does not place a woman within an obstetric dominated setting unless there is clinical need. This means home birth and stand alone midwifery units, this means women labouring at home for as long as possible (with their midwife). You only need to look at Australian co-located birth centres to get a similar picture. Yes it is the best we have but the 50% transfer rate is not representative of women's incapacity or midwifery care (on the whole). It is as a result of obstetric domination and protocols that have no basis of evidence. This is how we set midwifery and women up to fail. Why can't a woman with PROM labour in a BC? What difference is the transfer to a theatre from delivery suite to BC? This is a total furphy. So are many other's that exist. The answer in Australia is firstly a funding stream. Medicare for midwives (without restriction). Then women actually have a funded choice. From there many hurdles (no doubt). I agree women are the key, but it is nearly impossible to get women to fight for or even explore something they have no experience of. So a funded choice would get the cultural change happening. To do this we need midwives that are with women so I believe it is a partnership of change. Women will lead but midwives will be there right beside them. In solidarity Justine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Study: Amniotic Fluid Yields Stem Cells
Study: Amniotic fluid yields stem cells January 7, 2007 06:42:22 PM PST Scientists reported Sunday they had found a plentiful source of stem cells in the fluid that cushions babies in the womb and produced a variety of tissue types from these cells  sidestepping the controversy over destroying embryos for research. Researchers at Wake Forest University and Harvard University reported the stem cells they drew from amniotic fluid donated by pregnant women hold much the same promise as embryonic stem cells. They reported they were able to extract the stem cells without harm to mother or fetus and turn their discovery into several different tissue cell types, including brain, liver and bone. Our hope is that these cells will provide a valuable resource for tissue repair and for engineered organs as well, said Dr. Anthony Atala, head of Wake Forest's regenerative medicine institute and senior researcher on the project. It took Atala's team some seven years of research to determine the cells they found were truly stem cells that can be used to produce a broad range of cells that may be valuable for therapy. However, the scientists noted they still don't know exactly how many different cell types can be made from the stem cells found in amniotic fluid. They also said that even preliminary tests in patients are years away. Still, Atala said the research reported in the scientific journal Nature Biotechnology expands far beyond similar work discussed at a heart research conference in November. There, Swiss researcher Simon Hoerstrup said he managed to turn amniotic fluid stem cells into heart cells that could be grown into replacement valves. Hoerstrup has yet to publish his work in a scientific journal. Atala said the new research has found even more promising stem cells with the potential to turn into many more medically useful replacement parts. We have other cell lines cooking, Atala said. The hallmark of human embryonic stem cells, which are created in the first days after conception, is the ability to turn into any of the more than 220 cell types that make up the human body. Researchers are hopeful they can train these primordial cells to repair damaged organs in need of healthy cells. However, many people, including President http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/ap/ap_on_he_me/stem_cells/21498067; _ylt=Aqb8MKKnbE4w8lzAj5jXduQqLcsF/*http:/news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?f r=news-storylinksp=%22President%20Bush%22c=n=20yn=cc=newscs=nw Bush, oppose the destruction of embryos for any reason. The Bush administration has severely restricted federal funding for the embryo work since 2001, leading many scientists to search for alternative stem cell sources. The cells from amniotic fluid can clearly generate a broad range of important cell types, but they may not do as many tricks as embryonic stem cells, said Dr. Robert Lanza, chief scientist at the stem cell company Advanced Cell Technology. Either way, I think this work represents a giant step forward for stem cell research. It's the latest advance in the so-called regenerative medicine field that has sprung from Atala's lab in Winston-Salem, N.C. In April, Atala and his colleagues rebuilt bladders for seven young patients using live tissue grown in the lab. In the latest work, Atala's team extracted a small number of stem cells swimming among the many other cell types in the amniotic fluid. One of the more promising aspects of the research is that some of the DNA of the amnio stem cells contained Y chromosomes, which means the cells came from the babies rather than the pregnant moms. Dr. George Daley, a Harvard University stem cell researcher, said that finding raises the possibility that someday expectant parents can freeze amnio stem cells for future tissue replacement in a sick child without fear of immune rejection. Nonetheless, Daley said the discovery shouldn't be used as a replacement for human embryonic stem cell research. While they are fascinating subjects of study in their own right, they are not a substitute for human embryonic stem cells, which allow scientists to address a host of other interesting questions in early human development, said Daley, who began work last year to clone human embryos to produce stem cells.
[ozmidwifery] UK: Struggling midwives left feeling the pain
of students entering training had risen by 41 per cent, the spokesman added. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] UK: Too-posh-to-push women 'should pay for their own caesareans'
Too-posh-to-push women 'should pay for their own caesareans' Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 09/01/2007 Women who have caesareans as a lifestyle choice rather than for medical reasons should have to pay for their treatment, a leading public health expert said yesterday. NHS money would be better spent on expensive cancer treatments than on mothers who choose the procedure because they are afraid of the pain of labour, Dr Tim Crayford, president of the Association of Director of Public Health, said. The caesarean rate has risen from nine per cent of all births in 1980 to almost 23 per cent in 2004-05. There has been growing concern over the phenomenon of so-called mothers-to-be who are too posh to push. Recent surveys have shown rates vary across the country, from about 20 per cent in the North East to almost a quarter in London. According to the World Health Organisation (WHO), the proportion of mothers that need caesareans for medical reasons should be 10-15 per cent. Dr Crayford, who is also director of public health at Croydon primary care trust, said: If we have to choose between caesareans for those who are 'too posh to push' and money for cancer drugs like Herceptin then I'd say give the money to Herceptin, no question. This is an ideal opportunity for the NHS to review what is does. I would prefer that every £1 spent on health care delivers the most benefit for the population. When the NHS is not spending money on really important public health measures but spending it on what people want, then this is a debate we should have. A caesarean costs the NHS an average of £1,000 more than a natural birth. If the WHO is right that about 60,000 unnecessary caesareans are being carried out in England and Wales per year, the extra cost to the NHS is approximately £60 million. Most caesareans are carried out because of medical complications, a slow progressing labour or the mother having had the surgery during a previous birth. The proportion performed as a result of a request by the mother is about 1.5 per cent of all births. In 2004 doctors were told by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (Nice) and the National Collaborating Centre for Women's and Children's Health that they should not automatically arrange caesareans on request without legitimate medical reasons. Nice also said caesareans made it less likely for women to go on to have further babies, had a higher incidence of certain birth complications and were more likely to lead to subsequent stillbirth. Dr Crayford also said money could be saved by removing fewer tonsils and performing fewer hysterectomies. Tonsillectomies do benefit some individuals but it is a very small number, he said. Many haven't had a sore throat for six to nine months but, because they've been on a waiting list, they still have the operation. About 50,000 tonsillectomies are carried out in England every year, costing the NHS £40 million. Dr Crayford questioned why a hysterectomy costing £2,800 is sometimes carried out to prevent heavy menstrual bleeding when a coil costing £100 can do the same thing without surgery. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] FW: Cosmo pregnancy magazine article - homebirth
Please email or call Penny with your stories. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: Langton, Penelope [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cosmo pregnancy magazine article Importance: High Hello, How are you? I've been asked to write a story for Cosmopolitan Pregnancy magazine about a new-ish mother who's had a home birth. Can you recommend any of the mothers BellyBelly has had as clients recently? I would just need to do a short half-hour phone interview with them and they would need to send me a digital photo of them with their baby. It will appear in the next issue of Cosmo Pregnancy (about a 700-word article told in the first person). Please let me know if you can help. Would need to do it quite quickly as my deadline is tight - sometime this weekend. Thanks so much, Penny Langton Subeditor COSMOPOLITAN (02) 9282 8138 _ The information contained in this e-mail communication may be confidential. You should only read, disclose, re-transmit, copy, distribute, act in reliance on or commercialise the information if you are authorised to do so. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail communication, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail and then destroy any electronic or paper copy of this message. Any views expressed in this e-mail communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of ACP Magazines. ACP Magazines does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. attachment: image001.jpg
RE: [ozmidwifery] Cosmo pregnancy magazine article - homebirth
Just letting everyone know this spot has been filled - Janet got in very quickly! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:45 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Cosmo pregnancy magazine article - homebirth Importance: High Please email or call Penny with your stories. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: Langton, Penelope [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cosmo pregnancy magazine article Importance: High Hello, How are you? I've been asked to write a story for Cosmopolitan Pregnancy magazine about a new-ish mother who's had a home birth. Can you recommend any of the mothers BellyBelly has had as clients recently? I would just need to do a short half-hour phone interview with them and they would need to send me a digital photo of them with their baby. It will appear in the next issue of Cosmo Pregnancy (about a 700-word article told in the first person). Please let me know if you can help. Would need to do it quite quickly as my deadline is tight - sometime this weekend. Thanks so much, Penny Langton Subeditor COSMOPOLITAN (02) 9282 8138 _ The information contained in this e-mail communication may be confidential. You should only read, disclose, re-transmit, copy, distribute, act in reliance on or commercialise the information if you are authorised to do so. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail communication, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail and then destroy any electronic or paper copy of this message. Any views expressed in this e-mail communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of ACP Magazines. ACP Magazines does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. attachment: image001.jpg
RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] where has this list gone?
O.k. I shall re-phrase :) If introducing midwifery-led care on a broad scale has not helped due to policy or other restrictions, then what CAN work, right now, no matter where women choose to give birth? Because there is never going to be one place every woman chooses to give birth, not always with a midwife, at home or even a birth centre. Are we looking for an answer for a midwifery model or an answer for birth outcomes for women, no matter what they choose or need? Personally I would love to hear from someone from NZ (this is just one sole topic so not the focus) who has a very compelling answer, which just might be the tipping point. I don't think it would be wise to assume we will do it better, or will get it right first go. I am sure it will involve negotiations somewhere; everything does before it gets to the finished product. I don't disagree with you at all that midwifery-led care is a great option from which women can benefit. I will choose a midwife next time and not the hospital system. But do you think the majority of the consumers are going to automatically fight with us and then 'make the switch', believing us when we say/preech/convince that midwifery led care is a better option for them? We have enough trouble finding those amongst ourselves who have the time or inclination to lobby or write in to complain about things to government, advertisers etc. So why would consumers bother going out of their way to support such a move? The very vast majority of consumers don't think like we do nor do they have the passion for anything but their own safety right now. Many want the best care their dollar can buy, given they have private health care, they choose the best hospitals and the best Obs. I'm talking about the 99% of people giving birth in hospitals as opposed to the 0.4% (?) having a planned homebirth. It's hard to believe but yes, many feel more comfortable with an Obstetrician, just like you would only feel comfortable with a midwife. Getting angry about it or feeling frustrated will do nothing but make us look like frustrated, crazed women! Some even say it's too scary, hearing what we have to say so they stick to their comfort zone. They won't care what we think and what we are saying unless we make the decision to tell it to them in a way in which they will respond - and its not by impressing them with stats or telling them what's good for them. Who out there likes to be told or convinced that they should do xxx because they will get xxx? Try it with your husband, say that he should switch to light beer and say its better for his heart or whatever and see if that works! :) Ask someone to change religions, political parties - they wont without a compelling reason that is meaningful to THEM not YOU :) I think much can be learnt from NZ before we do the same thing - we're fighting for what they have right? Say we get the green light to go ahead, then the same thing happens, we can be BETTER prepared and have the heads up on this sort of thing and plan or prevent it happening. We must do our homework and we must never stop learning and growing, because the most successful people don't have the biggest houses or cars - they have the biggest libraries and knowledge and they keep learning. We have two ears and one mouth and they should always be used in that order when dealing with the 99% of consumers we are trying to convince, as opposed to trying to convert. We need to try new things rather than believing in one thing, investing everything into it and not having the time or intention to listen to other points of view. Being stuck on the one solution is a big problem. What happens when that doesn't go to plan? Where are your trump cards? How do you regain that credibility when you've promised the world and not delivered? Might be a simple answer to you, but they will not think so - they take what they see. Many women will tell of bad experiences in hospitals with midwives so the thought of hiring one is not an option. Not the profession's fault and it may not be a great example of midwifery care, but the woman will still have that impression until something compelling happens. They make up their own minds. All those interested in making a change can. The answer and the solution lies in the consumers not ourselves, until this is realised progress will be slow if not backwards at times. All we are is burnt out, tired, frustrated, angry, fighting - doesn't have to be this way if we make a simple shift which will benefit midwifery-led care in the big scheme of things - and we'll appear more pleasant to deal with :) This is not an anti-midwifery thing or saying the care is sub-standard, in fact it will grow credibility in the profession which is what needs to be done - some good midwifery PR. But like in NZ, we seem to be looking for an answer within midwifery. It's all the wrong way around. If we build upon it and invest in it, they will come! This is no quick fix, but it requires others
[ozmidwifery] Independent Birthing Center in USA Saving $800,000 Annually In Health Costs
The only independent birthing center in the District of Columbia is reducing costs for the city's health care system by more than $800,000 annually, primarily because of the reduced numbers of caesarean sections and preterm deliveries, according to Ruth Watson Lubic, the center's founder and chair, the http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/20/AR200612200 0705.html Washington Post reports. The not-for-profit Family Health and Birth Center, housed in a former supermarket and located in a low-income area of the District, provides gynecological and obstetrical services, as well as parenting advice to women and general health services to children, the Post reports. An increasing number of women are giving birth in the center's birthing rooms, while other women give birth at Washington Hospital http://www.whcenter.org/ Center accompanied by one of the center's seven on-staff midwifes, the Post reports. Preliminary data for 2006 indicate that the center might have delivered a record number of infants -- more the 153 last year, as well as the highest percentage ever delivered outside the hospital -- the Post reports. Of infants delivered through the center through mid-October, less than 5% were delivered before 37 weeks' gestation, 2% were considered low birthweight and 7% were delivered through c-sections. Citywide rates for those measures are in the double digits, according to the Post. According to an analysis conducted by Lubic based on an estimate in a recent Institute of Medicine http://www.iom.edu/ report, the center saves $567,000 annually by reducing the number of preterm deliveries. Using the same formula, Lubic calculated that the center saves almost $285,000 in c-section costs. Lubic this fall presented her analysis to the Council of the http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/ District of Columbia's health committee. She has said that because the center continues to face increasing malpractice premiums and unchanging insurance reimbursements, it should be rewarded for reducing costs by receiving a portion of the savings, according to the Post. There's a lot of talk about performance measures, and if you perform well you should get more money for what you do, Lubic said. According to the Post, the D.C. Council has awarded the center $450,000 in grants since 2005 (Levine, Washington Post, 12/21). Reprinted with permission from http://www.kaisernetwork.org. You can view the entire Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, search the archives, or sign up for email delivery at http://www.kaisernetwork.org/dailyreports/healthpolicy. The Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report is published for kaisernetwork.org, a free service of The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation . C 2005 Advisory Board Company and Kaiser Family Foundation. All rights reserved.
RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
Does anyone have a DL brochure about midwifery care with all the facts to have mailed out, with an introduction letter, as an education/PR campaign targeted for GP's around Australia? They are first in line with pregnant women, that's where opportunity lies... It's a great idea to build relationships and familiarity with them, on an ongoing basis, not a 'drop forget' campaign. Even follow up with phone calls asking if they received it and if they have any questions! You could also give them some brochures/info book to hand out to pregnant women which is targeted at women - a different flyer which speaks to women in their language and addresses their concerns. The flyer for GP's needs to speak directly to GP's and address their concerns, encouraging them to offer their 'patients' options and make them feel good for helping. All you need to do is ask, my local GP stocks my brochures and also Choices brochures when I was helping there - goes through more than the local birth centre. Obviously this is a huge task, but as an example, they have a Doula Register who did this for Doulas and they had great success in QLD and NSW, but I think it was with Obs not GP's. Others wrote letters to Obs about what they do, and then they started getting referrals from Obs, so the Doulas would write back and thank the Obs. The Doula Register seems to be based in and focused on those two states, we are now wanting to speak to them about doing it in other states too. So is there a capacity somewhere or somehow (or perhaps already has done and can advise the success) to do a massive drive? There won't be enough midwives to service the population if it does work but I guess but you could even choose a few test pilot suburbs across Australia or a controlled trial, in areas of varying economic levels(?). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? To me the way women (society) veiws pregnancy reflects the current trend to rush for medical assistance in any situation. Common colds, neck pain, constipation, insomnia, depression, obesity, you name it. Instead of looking within at underlying emotional issues, considering diet, toxins such as refined foodstuffs, stress, chemicals.whatever, you get my drift, the list is long. Any way instead of resolving the underlying causes or problems there is an increasing tendance to run for a fix-up, a suppression of symptoms. I see too often pregnancy considered by women as a medical problem to be managed. What do some do the minute they think they are pregnantmake an appointment with a doctor for confirmation...and so it begins. Do the doctors tell them that evidence concludes midwives to be the specialists in nornmal maternity care? Yeah right! In society the common assumption is the highest scientifically qualifed person must be the best one for the job. Interesting what you say about having already paid up front and not wanting to loose out financially having already paid an Obs...THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS! I am personally in favour of women changing streams of care whatever their gestation. Just my ramblings Wendy - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:11 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? Hi Rachael, I sometimes share your frustrations in wondering why on earth women choose OB's to care for them - particularly when they whinge about them so much! However what women are after is continuity of care because they want some feeling of certainty over who is going to be with them when they birth in short it gives them a feeling of security and the other main reason is the perceived quality of the care because an OB is regarded in Australia as the highest qualified of anyone to deal with pregnancy and birth. The other astonishing fact is that OB's don't even need to lift a finger to market themselves... it's all done for them by our medically supportive system. Yesterday I had a reunion with a group who had received mixed care; some by midwives some by private OB's and when they shared their stories and discovered such big differences in the way they had been cared for; the proof is in the pudding after all isn't it? A couple of them were saying I'm definitely going to a birth centre or have midwifery care next time! You might ask well why didn't they learn about this in the preparation classes, well they did, but they often say they are not able to change late in the pregnancy because they have already paid completely up front well in advance to the OB and they worry about getting their money back, they assume they can't, or they cannot get into a midwifery program or a birth centre at a very late stage of pregnancy. The
[ozmidwifery] Doula required Townsville
Please see as below - they are currently TTC but have some issues they'd need to work through with a Doula from their last experience. Kelly Zantey -Original Message- From: Sharon MacDonald Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Doula Information Hi Kelly, Sorry it has taken me a little while to get back to you. We've just moved house and things have been quite hectic trying to do it over the Christmas/New Year period. Hubby and I are looking for a Doula located in Townsville. We are currently in the process of TTC baby number 2 but as my first pregnancy was very traumatic and not pleasant we would like to have a Doula on board ASAP after conceiving. With my first pregnancy I had very severe morning sickness. I threw up all day every day from Week 6 through until after I gave birth. After the 3rd month I could rarely leave the house and after 5 months I was more or less house bound as I couldn't stand for more than 30 seconds to a minute without fainting. I had no milk supply after giving birth and was unable to breast feed. As the public hospital I gave birth in was very pro breast feeding I was made to feel like a useless failure and one nurse even went as far as to say that she would not discharge my daughter and was going to report me for neglect as I wanted to try formula feeding after 3 days of my daughter not breast feeding. It was supposed to be one of the best times of my life but ended up being the worst and I am dreading the thought of giving birth in the same hospital again. Even the community nurses who visited condemed me for bottle feeding but didn't bother to find out why I wasn't breast feeding they just assumed that everyone could. All of this lead to my PND which I am still battling though it's a mild case. We are hoping that by having a private midwife or Doula on board from early on in my next pregnancy that we may be able to alievate some of the problems we had last time as my dr was less than helpful and I saw a different midwife each hospital appointment who all had different views and opinions. Any info you can pass on to us about Doulas/services available in Townsville would be much appreciated. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] We currently live in Douglas in Townsville but it's a very small city so any Doula located in Townsville would be great. Thanks for your help. Best Wishes Sharon (Fruitwood - Belly Belly) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Miami Maternity Center
This is the website to the Miami Maternity Center, which is the centre on Foxtel for the show 'House of Babies', and is MUCH better than the other Foxtel birth shows in hospitals. Lots of waterbirths and it's a free standing centre. http://www.miamibirth.com/ Would be great to have one of these in Australia :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] Doula req'd in Western Victoria
Hello all, One of the longer term, regular members in my forums is pregnant with her second due late July and would like to chat to a few local Doulas to see if it's something she would like to do for her birth. She is fairly sure she wants one, I am sure once she speaks to a few she will be 100% convinced! She lives in Hamilton, and realises it may be limited to how many Doulas are out that way, so if you are nearby or perhaps not so nearby, please drop her an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see if you can arrange a time to call or visit her about what fabulous things us Doulas do. She has a pregnancy journal in the forums so you can have a bit of a read of her story: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=25106 Had lots of intervention in her previous birth from an induction which gave her days of prostin pains and all went downhill from there. So hoping to have a more informed and supported birth this time around. I have a woman in early labour, (been a very, very busy month for me - where are all the Doulas in December?!) so I just wanted to say an extra special Happy New Year to all those Doulas, midwives and support people to birthing women this New Year's Eve. What a way to bring in the New Year! Wishing everyone a happy, healthy and prosperous 2007. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 - Are You Ready For Change?
RE: [ozmidwifery] Doula req'd in Western Victoria
Sorry her name is Debra! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:10 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doula req'd in Western Victoria Hello all, One of the longer term, regular members in my forums is pregnant with her second due late July and would like to chat to a few local Doulas to see if it's something she would like to do for her birth. She is fairly sure she wants one, I am sure once she speaks to a few she will be 100% convinced! She lives in Hamilton, and realises it may be limited to how many Doulas are out that way, so if you are nearby or perhaps not so nearby, please drop her an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see if you can arrange a time to call or visit her about what fabulous things us Doulas do. She has a pregnancy journal in the forums so you can have a bit of a read of her story: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=25106 Had lots of intervention in her previous birth from an induction which gave her days of prostin pains and all went downhill from there. So hoping to have a more informed and supported birth this time around. I have a woman in early labour, (been a very, very busy month for me - where are all the Doulas in December?!) so I just wanted to say an extra special Happy New Year to all those Doulas, midwives and support people to birthing women this New Year's Eve. What a way to bring in the New Year! Wishing everyone a happy, healthy and prosperous 2007. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 - Are You Ready For Change?
[ozmidwifery] Trainee Doula Req'd St Albans VIC
Lisa is 6.5 weeks (due Aug), going to FPH and would like a trainee doula. Please email her [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested - she lives in St Albans. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] Disturbing trend...
In one of my programs, I can see which search terms people have entered into search engines which have resulted in them finding my site. I have noticed now that almost on a daily basis that people are searching for the words 'controlled crying and vomiting' I guess I am grateful that they aren't ending up on the government site that says this is normal, but I find it quite disturbing none the less. :-( Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Sorry I should have clarified. Would a breech baby with talipes have more problems than a normal breech? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristin Beckedahl Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... The moxa sticks close to the acupuncture points on the little toes has a good success rate too, or perhaps a combo of both.. _ From: Diane Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:12:59 +1100 Ask the woman to talk to her baby while laying head down on an ironing board that is leaning against the couch. Baby needs to know that there is a better way out and that she needs to uncross her feet and turn around. If she really relaxes her uterus that gives baby more room to move as well. Have her partner talk to the baby as well give it instructions on turning around. Many of you may laugh but there is a huge success rate talking to babies inutero. I know when I have turned (actually the babies do the turning) breech babies using hypnosis (simply relaxation of the body and no who-do-do-do) that the babies respond with arms and feet bulges everywhere as they are on the move, quite a funny sight. The babies are listening so ONLY positive talking and positive birth stories. Ask her not to listen to the war stories out there as they often create fear and tension in the mum and the bub. regards Di Gardner - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... OK, now I have a question for you - breech and talipes. A woman has just said this: Scan came back all fine, but bubs feet are in the birth canal area and as she has talipes they think with her feet being crossed over she may have trouble moving them out of where they are. We'll just have to wait a few weeks and see. Any suggestions/comments I can pass on? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Thank-you! And thanks to everyone in advance, I won't reply individually to everyone on the list to save clogging up emails, I will reply privately. http://www.bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/breech-birth-in-australia - I shall have something up soon, its not live yet, creating it now. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Ian Etherington OB/Gyn works out of the Mater Hospital in Rockhampton and will support (even encourage) women to birth breech, so long as it isn't a footling. Merry Christmas, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com http://www.eset.com/ _ Advertisement: Getting married? Tell us why to WIN @ LetsShop http://g.msn.com/8HMAENAU/2740??PS=47575 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Thanks for your replies, I am not doing very well at explaining hehe! What the woman has been told is with the baby's feet being crossed and with talipes, they are saying they doubt the baby will be unable to uncross the feet for a favourable breech birth (I actually think they mean the baby moving head down also, as I doubt they would do a vaginal birth from what she's said) . so my question is, what is anyone's experience or advice with that - is it likely the baby will have difficulties with a breech vaginal birth given she also has talipes? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Morgan Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Hi Kelly One of my babies had a 'turned' foot at birth, physio involved massaging the foot at each breastfeed and it was fine after a few weeks. Di M
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
What about John Flynn - they even have a DVD out which I purchased. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
[ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Yes please!!! If you can include state/suburb and phone number please :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:09 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Do you want midwives Kelly? I attend them. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
I am going to do it anyway, so I am happy to provide a link for you or the information in a file to place elsewhere - I have a link summarizing private health funds and midwifery and its no big deal to do. Such a handy resource for us on the list, as well as the women we support. I will need lots of help with interstate services, I am very familiar with Melbourne, but that's about it. I am also going to take note of special conditions, because I know of some Obs who will say they do twin vaginal birth, but only with an epi - so I want to make sure this information reflects that. So, I am happy to collate any lists of vaginal twin breech births, waterbirths (with a special mention about homebirth!), as well as VBAC friendly carers - many have rules - e.g. to 38 or 40 weeks, or max 41. so I want carers who don't have rules and will only intervene if medically necessary. Anything else you can think of let me know! Please send forth info - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Hi Listers I think it would be great to have a list of both Waterbirth and Vaginal Breech Service providers.does anyone have the time or resources to do it? There is one hitch I know of with some vaginal breech providers. Some places that offer them will only offer them to their local women i.e. not those who just want to turn up from out of town or switch care providers a few weeks before they are due. This makes it difficult for people in remote areas wanting a vaginal breech birth. Even if they are prepared to travel, they may not be eligible... Helen - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Yes please!!! If you can include state/suburb and phone number please :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:09 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Do you want midwives Kelly? I attend them. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1934 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Thank-you! And thanks to everyone in advance, I won't reply individually to everyone on the list to save clogging up emails, I will reply privately. http://www.bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/breech-birth-in-australia - I shall have something up soon, its not live yet, creating it now. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Ian Etherington OB/Gyn works out of the Mater Hospital in Rockhampton and will support (even encourage) women to birth breech, so long as it isn't a footling. Merry Christmas, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
OK, now I have a question for you - breech and talipes. A woman has just said this: Scan came back all fine, but bubs feet are in the birth canal area and as she has talipes they think with her feet being crossed over she may have trouble moving them out of where they are. We'll just have to wait a few weeks and see. Any suggestions/comments I can pass on? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Thank-you! And thanks to everyone in advance, I won't reply individually to everyone on the list to save clogging up emails, I will reply privately. http://www.bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/breech-birth-in-australia - I shall have something up soon, its not live yet, creating it now. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Ian Etherington OB/Gyn works out of the Mater Hospital in Rockhampton and will support (even encourage) women to birth breech, so long as it isn't a footling. Merry Christmas, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
I didn't have a period since falling pregnant with my 4.5 year old, until a few months ago. My mum thought something was seriously wrong with me and kept telling me to see the doctor, but because of infant-led breastfeeding, I knew it was why. I had some very, very light spotting one time when my first was a bit over 2 and had stopped feeding, so I wondered if I should try for my second. I knew I wanted to try, but I had no period prior to, so no idea what my cycle was, let alone if I was ovulating! So, I charted my temps for two weeks and fell pregnant. It was only a few months ago when I didn't feed my son overnight for a few nights that they came back with full force - not enjoying it very much as it hasn't settled down yet. But feel very blessed to not have to worry about it for 5 odd years!!! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:10 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises. thanks in advance Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] C/S - Woman Catches on Fire (USA)
This news item is on utube so you can see it for yourselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIeUWmtFwds Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] C/S - Woman Catches on Fire (USA)
This news item is on utube so you can see the news segment for yourselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIeUWmtFwds Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
[ozmidwifery] Circumcision Study in Herald Sun
Circumcision 'reduces HIV risk' From: Reuters December 14, 2006 CIRCUMCISING men cuts their risk of being infected with the AIDS virus in half, and could prevent hundreds of thousands or even millions of new infections, researchers said. Circumcising men worked so well that the researchers stopped two large clinical trials in Kenya and Uganda to announce the results today, although they cautioned that the procedure does not make men immune to the virus. Public health leaders hailed the results as pointing to a potentially powerful way to reduce HIV infections in Africa, the continent hardest hit by AIDS. Click http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20925674-5005961,00.html here to read the full article on the website Alternatively, you can copy and paste this link into your browser: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20925674-5005961,00.html Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
RE: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream
They are very well referenced, which is why I was surprised when she challenged me on it as I knew Sarah uses lots of references (her articles are on my site) - but if you read the bit about the drugs going into the bloodstream there is no reference for that. Here's the discussion, might be easier to understand. I'm not arguing the point, but want something solid to come back to her with. http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=26236 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cate Tischler Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:35 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: Kelly Zantey Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream Sarah's article's are so well referenced. One of the reference's included is: 25) Fernando R, Bonello E et al. Placental and maternal plasma concentrations of fentanyl and bupivicaine after ambulatory combined spinal epidural (CSE) analgesia during labour. Int J Obstet Anaesth 1995;4:178-179 From here: http://onyx-ii.com/birthsong/page.cfm?epidural Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Janet - a few of those links are not working. The main thing she wants is actual medical study/evidence articles - e.g. the Sarah Buckley article she says is not adequate as the comment about the drug going into the bloodstream is not referenced back to anything. she has been trying to find such evidence everywhere but it has turned up fruitful. So not just the risks being quoted, but actual evidence. Oh well, if it does it for them then that's what we have to do :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:49 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream Here are some useful sources for the risks of epidurals. Funny how women are told to avoid alcohol and soft cheeses in pregnancy but encouraged to imbibe powerful and dangerous drugs in labour. Drugs in labour twenty years hence. http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...ugsinlabour.asp http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...ugsinlabour.asp epidural information http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/epirisks.html http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/epirisks.html A little excerpt Quote: Generally, it is true to say the epidurals are a safe and effective method of relieving pain in labour - but safe does not mean risk free - the risks are there - it is wrong to say there are none (re the hospital employed childbirth educator) See Thorp, J.A. Breedlove, G (1996) Epidural Analgesia in Labour: An evaluation of Risks and Benefits 23(2) 63-83. for a good review of the literature. . hypotension 12 - 23% . maternal fever - (then unnecessary antibiotic therapy - then the yeast infection - then.) one study cited an increase of 0.07 Celsius rise per hour exposure to epidural anesthesia. another reported 5% of fetuses reached cores temp in excess of 4Celsius, another found a statistically significant increase in maternal temps 38C associated with EA. . inadvertent spinal ( and headache to follow - which a blood patch does not always cure - the incidence depends on skill of operator July - new residents - expect a huge increase in spinals in the teaching hospitals. ) . pruritus, nausea and vomiting. (no numbers here - but more likely with spinals) . backache - significant more women c/o backache following EA (RR 1. . fluid overload- ?pulmonary edema??? . infection from epidural site . resp arrest . anaphylaxis . nerve damage Henci Goer on epidurals http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...a=adid=16053332 http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...a=adid=16053332 Epidurals: can they impact breastfeeding? http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...0,,h1nz,00.html http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...0,,h1nz,00.html Epidurals: real risk for mother and baby - Sarah Buckley http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/sarah02.html http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/sarah02.html The Epidural Express: Real Reasons Not to Jump On Board by Nancy Griffin, M.A., AAHCC http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/Epidural.html http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/Epidural.html Medical Risks of Epidural Anesthesia During Childbirth http://www.healing-arts.org/mehl-madrona/mmepidural.htm http://www.healing-arts.org/mehl-madrona/mmepidural.htm - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream Hello, Can anyone point me to a medical source or evidence which proves that epidural anaesthesia enters the bloodstream? Someone in my forums has said she has tried to find medical sources but can't find them anywhere. Best Regards
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry
I emailed google about Wyeth advertising in Adwords, here's my reply so far: Hello Kelly, Thank you for your detailed email. I have forwarded your email to our policy specialists who are going to review your request. We appreciate hearing from our advertisers and encourage you to continue to let us know how we could improve the Google AdWords experience. In order to maintain a great user experience, we are always interested in making improvements our advertising rules. Sincerely, Peter G. The Google Australia NZ AdWords Team All it takes is a few words :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:53 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry Dear Julie, We are hoping there will be some legislation around the marketing of infant formula - it's quite out of hand at the moment, and is having a detrimental effect on breastfeeding. At best breastfeeding rates are stagnating, and at worst they are declining - certainly not matching the government's own targets. We are hoping that all governments will take a lead role (as suggested in the media release) in promoting and supporting breastfeeding. When compared to other major health promotion targets, a miniscule amount is spent on breastfeeding, and often with a scattergun approach. We encourage all groups and individuals to make a submission to the parliamentary inquiry Barb - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry Dear Barb, This looks very promising below, what are you hoping will come of it? Warm hug Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.julieclarke.com.au _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Friday, 8 December 2006 6:44 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Parliamentary inquiry # House of Representatives - Email alert service # Issued by: House of Representatives Liaison Projects Office, Wednesday 6 December 2006 Parliament launches new inquiry into breastfeeding Chairman of the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Health and Ageing, Alex Somlyay, today announced a new parliamentary inquiry into the health benefits of breastfeeding. Mr Somlyay said that the Committee will examine how the Australian government can take a lead role to improve the health of the population through support for breastfeeding. There is considerable evidence suggesting the health of the Australian population may be improved by increasing the rate of breastfeeding, Mr Somlyay said. The committee will be looking at the potential effects on the long term sustainability of Australia's health system. In 2001, approximately 54 per cent of babies were fully breastfed at 3 months of age or less, compared with around 32 per cent of infants by 6 months of age or less. Rates of breastfeeding vary between different population groups. It is worth noting that there is anecdotal evidence that new mothers are not being closely supported or greatly encouraged to persist with breastfeeding, Mr Somlyay said. The public perception is that breastfeeding is not necessarily accepted as the most desirable way of nourishing young babies or preventing long term health problems. The Committee invites public submissions by 28 February 2007 on: How the Commonwealth government can take a lead role to improve the health of the Australian population through support for breastfeeding, with particular consideration to: * The extent of the health benefits of breastfeeding; * Evaluate the impact of marketing of breast milk substitutes on breastfeeding rates and, in particular, in disadvantaged, Indigenous and remote communities; * The potential short and long term impact on the health of Australians of increasing the rate of breastfeeding; * Initiatives to encourage breastfeeding; * Examine the effectiveness of current measures to promote breastfeeding; and * The impact of breastfeeding on the long term sustainability of Australia's health system. For media interview with the Chairman: Please contact the Committee
[ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream
Hello, Can anyone point me to a medical source or evidence which proves that epidural anaesthesia enters the bloodstream? Someone in my forums has said she has tried to find medical sources but can't find them anywhere. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
RE: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream
Thanks Janet - a few of those links are not working. The main thing she wants is actual medical study/evidence articles - e.g. the Sarah Buckley article she says is not adequate as the comment about the drug going into the bloodstream is not referenced back to anything. she has been trying to find such evidence everywhere but it has turned up fruitful. So not just the risks being quoted, but actual evidence. Oh well, if it does it for them then that's what we have to do :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:49 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream Here are some useful sources for the risks of epidurals. Funny how women are told to avoid alcohol and soft cheeses in pregnancy but encouraged to imbibe powerful and dangerous drugs in labour. Drugs in labour twenty years hence. http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...ugsinlabour.asp http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...ugsinlabour.asp epidural information http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/epirisks.html http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/epirisks.html A little excerpt Quote: Generally, it is true to say the epidurals are a safe and effective method of relieving pain in labour - but safe does not mean risk free - the risks are there - it is wrong to say there are none (re the hospital employed childbirth educator) See Thorp, J.A. Breedlove, G (1996) Epidural Analgesia in Labour: An evaluation of Risks and Benefits 23(2) 63-83. for a good review of the literature. . hypotension 12 - 23% . maternal fever - (then unnecessary antibiotic therapy - then the yeast infection - then.) one study cited an increase of 0.07 Celsius rise per hour exposure to epidural anesthesia. another reported 5% of fetuses reached cores temp in excess of 4Celsius, another found a statistically significant increase in maternal temps 38C associated with EA. . inadvertent spinal ( and headache to follow - which a blood patch does not always cure - the incidence depends on skill of operator July - new residents - expect a huge increase in spinals in the teaching hospitals. ) . pruritus, nausea and vomiting. (no numbers here - but more likely with spinals) . backache - significant more women c/o backache following EA (RR 1. . fluid overload- ?pulmonary edema??? . infection from epidural site . resp arrest . anaphylaxis . nerve damage Henci Goer on epidurals http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...a=adid=16053332 http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...a=adid=16053332 Epidurals: can they impact breastfeeding? http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...0,,h1nz,00.html http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...0,,h1nz,00.html Epidurals: real risk for mother and baby - Sarah Buckley http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/sarah02.html http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/sarah02.html The Epidural Express: Real Reasons Not to Jump On Board by Nancy Griffin, M.A., AAHCC http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/Epidural.html http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/Epidural.html Medical Risks of Epidural Anesthesia During Childbirth http://www.healing-arts.org/mehl-madrona/mmepidural.htm http://www.healing-arts.org/mehl-madrona/mmepidural.htm - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream Hello, Can anyone point me to a medical source or evidence which proves that epidural anaesthesia enters the bloodstream? Someone in my forums has said she has tried to find medical sources but can't find them anywhere. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
[ozmidwifery] Nicola Roxton new Shadow Health Minister
Time to get relationship building and lobbying now that the new opposition frontbench have been selected :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
RE: [ozmidwifery] Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007
I'm liaising with Senator Lyn Allison's assistant for the conference and I am in the process of putting the details together for her presentation. If anyone has any questions/suggestions/topics you would like for her to cover, let me know. Maternity and post-natal services is a strong interest of Senator Allison, if you are not aware she was involved in the initiation of Medicare for midwives and thinks the government should pull its finger out and with insurance issues. We have a way to go yet but it will be great for everyone to hear her speak - and hopefully she can get some more fire in her belly too. Let me know what you'd like to know/discuss, even if you don't think you can make it. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Clarke Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 Dear Kelly, I am very impressed with your approach for this new conference, and I look forward to the changes and improvements it will create in it's wake. The link at the bottom of the page didn't work for me but the link at the top did provide the conference information correctly. I'll look forward to attending, regards, Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.julieclarke.com.au _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 5:14 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 Firstly I just want to note that Andrea has okay'ed me posting this message :-) Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 I'd just like to let everyone know that the Australian Birth Post Natal Conference is now taking registrations: http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ I'm pleased to announce that Senator Lyn Allison, the leader of the Australian Democrats and Health Spokesperson has accepted the invitation to come and speak, as well as many other wonderful speakers who you may not know by name, but they are experts in their own right, in a range of areas including marketing, public speaking, PR, lobbying, professional image and much more. I'm even had a few words from our very own Andrea Robertson who has much experience on the business side of birth post-natal services, to share her experiences. I know you'll get so much out of this conference, which promises to be a life-changing event, and to help birth post-natal services become a force to be reckoned with :-) Please pass the details on to all working in this amazing industry, and let's get serious about change, it's time for action. It's not going to happen on it's own, so lets make it happen - the easiest, most professional way possible. It's all about working smarter and not harder and the speakers I have lined up have been chosen so we can do exactly that. The Top Ten Excuses Not to Attend This Conference 1. Oh no - not another conference! 2. I already have more ideas than I can use. 3. I've heard enough of Kelly Zantey to last two life times. 4. I'm too busy already. 5. I know everything already. 6. I can't afford it anyway. 7. I don't believe a word you say. 8. What you teach won't work for me. 9. My wife or husband won't let me. 10.Aww blimey, I couldn't even think of 10 Excuse #1 - This is NOT just another conference. That's the whole point; it's an unlocking of secrets of success of epic proportions showcased for the very first time to the birth post-natal services industry. It only takes one good idea to make this worth it for you. We know you'll get more than one. Excuse #2 - This conference isn't necessarily about more ideas. It's about implementation. There is also the light bulb phenomenon. You can know about a strategy, hear about it repeatedly, but still not have it really click for you. Then there is that one magic moment, 'Ah Ha' or blinding flash of the obvious, where somebody says it in a different way and suddenly you get it, own it and can act upon it. Can't and won't happen if you're watching Big Brother on TV. Excuse #3 - What can I possibly get from Kelly Zantey? Hey if you think you've heard enough from me, I understand that. This conference is NOT about me. There will be many expert speakers in their field, who I have asked to share
RE: [ozmidwifery] 13 pound baby born in Tasmania.
It's a common misconception with most women these days. Vaginally = naturally. I cringe at it all the time in my forums. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roberta Quinn Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:30 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] 13 pound baby born in Tasmania. Wow! What a story for them to tell for years to come :) But: I did have an epidural but apart from that it was naturally... Does that sentence/logic even make sense?! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lara Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 6:29 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] 13 pound baby born in Tasmania. Just wondering if you've seen this? A 13 pound baby was born in Tasmania today. http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200612/s1802380.htm Vaginal delivery, with epidural. Maybe this should be printed out and sent to all the HCPs who recommend C section for presumed macrosomia ... Lara -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Nestle Recall - NAN - in SMH
Nestle has launched a voluntary national recall of infant formula after small fragments of metal were found in some cans by consumers. The food manufacturing giant said the fragments were isolated to 900 gram cans of its Nan 2 Ha Gold Infant Formula, with expiry dates February 5, 2008, and February 7, 2008. Even though we believe these to be extremely isolated incidents, we will take absolutely no risk whatsoever with this very important product and we are recalling it immediately, said Nestle's director of corporate and external relations, Peter Kelly. Nestle asks consumers to ensure that any Nan 2 Ha Gold bearing the expiry dates of 5 February, 2008, or 7 February, 2008, is not given to infants and to return any cans to the place of purchase for a full refund. We also ask that anyone with family or friends who might have purchased this product to contact them in case they may not be aware of the recall. Nestle sincerely apologises for any inconvenience this product recall may cause. We can assure consumers of our continued commitment to the highest standard of quality and safety. The company said the problem occurred during the production process and that no other products in the Nan or Nan Ha range were affected. We will continue to supply unaffected product to stores so if consumers see any Nan 2 Ha Gold on shelves, and they are in any doubt as to its safety, simply check the expiry dates on the bottom of the can or ask the retailer for their advice, Mr Kelly said. Nestle has set up a hotline on 1800 152 126. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
RE: [ozmidwifery] Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007
Thanks Julie, I appreciate your confidence and trust and I look forward to repaying it :-) I worked out the problem, I can only send emails to this list from my bellybelly email address, but had my conference signature on prior to sending it, so it just overwrote it with the BellyBelly one in some bizarre way. I thought technology was supposed to be getting better Never mind.. :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Clarke Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 Dear Kelly, I am very impressed with your approach for this new conference, and I look forward to the changes and improvements it will create in it's wake. The link at the bottom of the page didn't work for me but the link at the top did provide the conference information correctly. I'll look forward to attending, regards, Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.julieclarke.com.au _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 5:14 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 Firstly I just want to note that Andrea has okay'ed me posting this message :-) Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 I'd just like to let everyone know that the Australian Birth Post Natal Conference is now taking registrations: http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ I'm pleased to announce that Senator Lyn Allison, the leader of the Australian Democrats and Health Spokesperson has accepted the invitation to come and speak, as well as many other wonderful speakers who you may not know by name, but they are experts in their own right, in a range of areas including marketing, public speaking, PR, lobbying, professional image and much more. I'm even had a few words from our very own Andrea Robertson who has much experience on the business side of birth post-natal services, to share her experiences. I know you'll get so much out of this conference, which promises to be a life-changing event, and to help birth post-natal services become a force to be reckoned with :-) Please pass the details on to all working in this amazing industry, and let's get serious about change, it's time for action. It's not going to happen on it's own, so lets make it happen - the easiest, most professional way possible. It's all about working smarter and not harder and the speakers I have lined up have been chosen so we can do exactly that. The Top Ten Excuses Not to Attend This Conference 1. Oh no - not another conference! 2. I already have more ideas than I can use. 3. I've heard enough of Kelly Zantey to last two life times. 4. I'm too busy already. 5. I know everything already. 6. I can't afford it anyway. 7. I don't believe a word you say. 8. What you teach won't work for me. 9. My wife or husband won't let me. 10.Aww blimey, I couldn't even think of 10 Excuse #1 - This is NOT just another conference. That's the whole point; it's an unlocking of secrets of success of epic proportions showcased for the very first time to the birth post-natal services industry. It only takes one good idea to make this worth it for you. We know you'll get more than one. Excuse #2 - This conference isn't necessarily about more ideas. It's about implementation. There is also the light bulb phenomenon. You can know about a strategy, hear about it repeatedly, but still not have it really click for you. Then there is that one magic moment, 'Ah Ha' or blinding flash of the obvious, where somebody says it in a different way and suddenly you get it, own it and can act upon it. Can't and won't happen if you're watching Big Brother on TV. Excuse #3 - What can I possibly get from Kelly Zantey? Hey if you think you've heard enough from me, I understand that. This conference is NOT about me. There will be many expert speakers in their field, who I have asked to share their wisdom of what they do. You are the expert in what you do; they are the expert in what they do. You will hear many concepts, breakthroughs and opportunities covered, some of which have never been in the spotlight before. I'll make you re-evaluate, reconsider, re-invent, re-engineer, and even re-invigorate. The fact is, it's only when a person wants, needs and most of all appreciates this help, that you can really help them. Excuse #4 - You're too busy. It's how you work and what you work on that's
[ozmidwifery] Govt: Breast is Best
Breast is best in the fight against childhood obesity There is clear and growing evidence of a link between breastfeeding and a lower incidence of several major illnesses, including obesity, in later life, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Health and Ageing, Christopher Pyne, said in Sydney, at the Food Regulations and Labelling Standards Conference. PDF http://www.health.gov.au/internet/ministers/publishing.nsf/Content/825D949F 15778D93CA25722E007EA9FF/$File/pyn079.pdf printable version of Breast is best in the fight against childhood obesity (PDF 99 KB) 23 November 2006 CP79/06 There is clear and growing evidence of a link between breastfeeding and a lower incidence of several major illnesses, including obesity, in later life, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Health and Ageing, Christopher Pyne, said in Sydney today. In the fight against obesity, surely breastfeeding should be one of the primary weapons in our armoury. Breast is best! Mr Pyne told the annual Food Regulations and Labelling Standards Conference. Breastfeeding gives the best nutritional start to infants and reduces their risk of developing obesity, cardiovascular disease and chronic diseases such as asthma and diabetes later in life. It also benefits maternal health by reducing the risk of breast and ovarian cancers, he said. The Government supports recommendations from the World Health Organization and the National Health and Medical Research Council to exclusively breastfeed infants to six months of age. A United States study of more than 8,000 girls and 7,000 boys aged 9 to 14 years examined their breastfeeding status to nine months of age and found that breastfed infants were less likely to be overweight or obese adolescents. In Australia, the number of women who begin breastfeeding is high with 83 per cent of infants being breastfed when taken home from hospital. Exclusive breastfeeding rates decline, however, to just 54 per cent at three months of age and 32 per cent at six months of age, Mr Pyne said. Only 23 per cent of children continued to receive breast milk to one year of age. he said. Breastfeeding rates and duration in Australia can be improved through community education, support from health professionals and breastfeeding counselors. Within hospitals, practices such as rooming-in with the baby and not giving babies supplemental feeds or pacifiers is important. In the workplace, allowing flexible work practices, paid maternity leave, and making available a private, comfortable room for nursing would help. A positive portrayal of breastfeeding in the media is also important to increase the rates of breastfeeding in Australia, Mr Pyne said. A copy of the speech is available at: http://www.health.gov.au/internet/ministers/publishing.nsf/Content/health-me diarel-yr2006-cp-pynsp231106.htm Media contact: Adam Howard 0400 414 833 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support
[ozmidwifery] New Mothers Not Convinced Breast Is Best
Mothers not convinced Kamahl Cogdon November 29, 2006 12:00am Article from: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/?from=ni_story Herald-Sun MOST new mums are not convinced breast is best for their baby. And many are embarrassed to breastfeed in public, a survey shows. A survey of 1500 women at last month's Pregnancy Babies and Children's Expo in Melbourne found 27 per cent of mothers rated breast milk ahead of formula. The survey found 41 per cent were unsure which was better, 25.5 per cent said they were equal and 6.5 per cent said bottles beat breast. Australian Breastfeeding Association spokeswoman Karen Commisso said the results were disappointing and new mothers needed more support, particularly from workplaces. Returning to work has a huge impact on the length that Australian women breastfeed, she said. If a mum chooses to continue to breastfeed after returning to work she needs somewhere to go to express and store the milk without being hassled or told to do it in a toilet block. They have breaks for workers to go out for a cigarette, surely they can have breaks for a woman to go and express her breast milk? Ms Commisso said she was surprised by the survey results because in her experience most women understood breast was best. She said breast milk offered long and short-term health benefits for children, including being linked to lower obesity rates. It also met all a baby's changing nutritional needs and provided early immunity to an infant. The National Health and Medical Research Council recommends babies are breastfed for at least six months. Ms Commisso said about 86 per cent of mothers initiated breastfeeding, but only 32 per cent still breastfed exclusively by the time their baby was six months old. Social pressure, body image and concerns about feeding in public were among other reasons women switched to bottles, she said. The Australian Breastfeeding Association also believes increased marketing of infant formula encourages women to abandon breastfeeding, and it wants the Federal Government to place restrictions on advertising. The expo survey showed many women felt uncomfortable breastfeeding in public, ranking this problem behind sore nipples and breasts and difficulties feeding their baby. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support image001.gif Description: GIF image
[ozmidwifery] Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007
Firstly I just want to note that Andrea has okay'ed me posting this message :-) Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 I'd just like to let everyone know that the Australian Birth Post Natal Conference is now taking registrations: http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ I'm pleased to announce that Senator Lyn Allison, the leader of the Australian Democrats and Health Spokesperson has accepted the invitation to come and speak, as well as many other wonderful speakers who you may not know by name, but they are experts in their own right, in a range of areas including marketing, public speaking, PR, lobbying, professional image and much more. I'm even had a few words from our very own Andrea Robertson who has much experience on the business side of birth post-natal services, to share her experiences. I know you'll get so much out of this conference, which promises to be a life-changing event, and to help birth post-natal services become a force to be reckoned with :-) Please pass the details on to all working in this amazing industry, and let's get serious about change, it's time for action. It's not going to happen on it's own, so lets make it happen - the easiest, most professional way possible. It's all about working smarter and not harder and the speakers I have lined up have been chosen so we can do exactly that. The Top Ten Excuses Not to Attend This Conference 1. Oh no - not another conference! 2. I already have more ideas than I can use. 3. I've heard enough of Kelly Zantey to last two life times. 4. I'm too busy already. 5. I know everything already. 6. I can't afford it anyway. 7. I don't believe a word you say. 8. What you teach won't work for me. 9. My wife or husband won't let me. 10.Aww blimey, I couldn't even think of 10 Excuse #1 - This is NOT just another conference. That's the whole point; it's an unlocking of secrets of success of epic proportions showcased for the very first time to the birth post-natal services industry. It only takes one good idea to make this worth it for you. We know you'll get more than one. Excuse #2 - This conference isn't necessarily about more ideas. It's about implementation. There is also the light bulb phenomenon. You can know about a strategy, hear about it repeatedly, but still not have it really click for you. Then there is that one magic moment, 'Ah Ha' or blinding flash of the obvious, where somebody says it in a different way and suddenly you get it, own it and can act upon it. Can't and won't happen if you're watching Big Brother on TV. Excuse #3 - What can I possibly get from Kelly Zantey? Hey if you think you've heard enough from me, I understand that. This conference is NOT about me. There will be many expert speakers in their field, who I have asked to share their wisdom of what they do. You are the expert in what you do; they are the expert in what they do. You will hear many concepts, breakthroughs and opportunities covered, some of which have never been in the spotlight before. I'll make you re-evaluate, reconsider, re-invent, re-engineer, and even re-invigorate. The fact is, it's only when a person wants, needs and most of all appreciates this help, that you can really help them. Excuse #4 - You're too busy. It's how you work and what you work on that's important. Being too busy is really a bad excuse. Many of us get caught up in the trap of expending ever increasing effort, for ever diminishing results, or burning out. If that's you, boy oh boy, you do need to attend! Excuse #5 - I know too much already. The more successful you are the quicker and easier it is to get a return on your investment, because even tiny tweaks can equate to big differences, just as tiny holes can sink big ships. Years back it was pointed out to me that the person who can read but doesn't is no better off than the illiterate. Similarly, the person who knows about a certain marketing strategy but doesn't act on it is no better off then a marketing ignoramus. Excuse #6 - I can't afford it. I have empathy for those who shudder at the thought of paying for a conference; however it costs good money to get some of the expert speakers involved in this conference to show up. Getting some of them enthused to trek to a conference in Melbourne was neither easy nor cheap! So come now and cry once - rather than many times if things remain in the status quo. We want to give you the best there is on offer, and not waste your valuable money on those who cannot offer true value to you and us as a profession. I (and my husband!) think the price is a bargain for what you get. Excuse #7 - I don't believe a word you say. Fine, have it your way :-) Instead, wait to see the amazing changes all the attendees make after the conference and be amazed at their new found confidence, exposure
RE: [ozmidwifery] Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007
Sorry Mary I just realised that I left that bit off the email, but all details are on the website! In the Melbourne Sofitel from Friday April 27th to Sunday April 29th - three days including a conference dinner on Friday night (optional extra also in the Sofitel). Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Australian Birth Post-Natal Services Conference 2007 In which state and what date is this being held? MM
[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next?
That's the full page ad in the back of Melbourne's Child this month.. and the answer? Karicare of course. I think they have it wrong. that's not what the WHO says! :-) There is also a chart that compares Karicare against other dairy products with regards to sugar levels and they have highlighted that they are 5th down the list - all cows milk above them, flavoured milk and yoghurt under it. I hate too how they flaunt the high levels of iron and that 1 in 3 toddlers has low iron stores.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again...
LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery
Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again...
But thats the thing, define tertiary psychology studies? Why doesn't she promote that she is a qualified psychologist? What DID she study at uni? For all we know it could be an arts degree with some psychology subjects - she doesnt say but since she doesnt promote that she is a psychologist I find it highly unlikely she has any idea psychologically speaking, about what she is doing to those poor mums and bubs. How can you promiose a mum results in 24 hours? And how are those mums going to feel when they realise that is unrealistic? And how dare she make us feel so inadequate that we lack the tools to soothe our babies so quickly and that we could be sleeping through if we follow her advice?? It should be illegal! There should be a governing body these people have to register through to make sure they are being watched... not to promote these sleep people, but to stop the ripping us off for bad advice. On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I take that back : ) Born and raised in Ireland, Tizzie started her Save Our Sleep (SOS) business in the United Kingdom in 1996 after tertiary psychology studies and a career in private childcare. But even so, she's talking a crock on her site so obviously it was a wasted education ; ) J - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my
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I think we all know why Lisa ;o) I think some hometruths need to come out because she's clearly sidestepping the truth - hopefully lots of women will read my forum and question who they pay to take advice from in future! On 2/20/2006, lisa chalmers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its funny how they still havnt answered your question though Kelly! Lisa...cheering very loudly for you, from Perth! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL
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Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Oh of course, no desire to tell anyone what to do - the idea isnt about right and wrong at all, but I think that the person who joined the conversation was doing so for promotional purposes :) Hence the request for back-up in saying that mum knows best ;) On 2/18/2006, brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, This is such a grey area, it's like pro agin IOL, there isn't a right or wrong answer. Only what works for the individual. I am the last person to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do. This whole topic has a long history (I have worked in a Mother/Baby Unit for 10 years on off) of getting you hung ! Women request help then if they don't like your message they shoot the messenger, always when you aren't looking !!! It's a lose/lose scenario, drop it!! The only person I'm an expert about is myself. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Wow that is absolutely brilliant that Rhea's work is being spread to the Mornington Penninsula, hopefully even more after this. As a student of Rhea's this last year, I can highly recommend it as being an essential course and I would love to see Obs having to do her course as a pre-requisite to learning Obstetrics It would be great if midwives also had access to this too, learning about normal birth before being taught about medical birth. Hats off to Rhea, she's a brilliant woman and I am in awe of her work over the last 26 odd years. I hope to carry on her messages through BellyBelly to the mainstream of women. Brenda, did you instigate this? Kudos to you if you did - nice work!!! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au On 2/13/2006, brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all Apologies for cross - postings.. For women who feel the hearts calling to offer support to birthing women. A Birth Attendants / Doula workshop led by Rhea Dempsey beginning in March on the Mornington Peninsula. Course runs 1 day a MONTH after the initial weekend intensive on 18/19th March until November. Interested women can contact me for more information via my website: www.themidwife.com.au With kind regards Brenda Manning 'themidwife' ) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I have some contacts around australia in this article: http://bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/answering-an-ancient-call-supporting-women-in-labour On 2/14/2006, Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone do these courses ever run in NSW??? My employment as a midiwfe is possibly coming to an end and I am thinking of doing some doula work (maybe) so that way I can still work with birthing women. Any leads on websites or people to contact would be great. many thanks katrina On 14/02/2006, at 12:19 PM, Kelly Zantey wrote: Wow that is absolutely brilliant that Rhea's work is being spread to the Mornington Penninsula, hopefully even more after this. As a student of Rhea's this last year, I can highly recommend it as being an essential course and I would love to see Obs having to do her course as a pre-requisite to learning Obstetrics It would be great if midwives also had access to this too, learning about normal birth before being taught about medical birth. Hats off to Rhea, she's a brilliant woman and I am in awe of her work over the last 26 odd years. I hope to carry on her messages through BellyBelly to the mainstream of women. Brenda, did you instigate this? Kudos to you if you did - nice work!!! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au On 2/13/2006, brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all Apologies for cross - postings.. For women who feel the hearts calling to offer support to birthing women. A Birth Attendants / Doula workshop led by Rhea Dempsey beginning in March on the Mornington Peninsula. Course runs 1 day a MONTH after the initial weekend intensive on 18/19th March until November. Interested women can contact me for more information via my website: www.themidwife.com.au With kind regards Brenda Manning 'themidwife' ) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
