Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
Hi Raelene, Is Simone Elston still working there? If so say Hi for me. Megan. - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi All, Thanks to everyone who responded to my request about special cots to enable mother's to co-sleep in hospital. I have investigated the web sites you suggested, but couldn't find exactly what I wanted. However, I have contacted a manufacturer, who may be able to help. I now have another request.Our maternity unit in Kalgoorlie is in desperate need (who isn't!) of some senior midwives. Keep an eye out for our Secret Midwives Business pamphlet in the next catalogue of Birth International and give me a call if you are interested...It's a great place to work. Cheers Raelene George FACM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux/ chiro
Thanks for that Pinky. I am still generally skeptical, but certainly agree that in all professions or occupations there are some who will have outstanding results! Megan - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux/ chiro Hi Michelle Suzi and Meg I absolutely agree that some babies do have reflux/ colic -I had one baby who vomited and screamed - baby no 3 - reflux wasnt a diagnosis in those days and I lived through it with her in a sling against my bare skin and a poncho over both of us. I actually wasnt worried that she had 'something dreadful' despite the first two being fat happy boys. I do believe allergies contributed - but certainly didnt have Michelle's experience of constipation as well. I would never undermine a mother's claim of 'reflux' -but I do seem to find that aboiut 2/ 3 of babies in my massage classes have been diagnosed AND medicated for reflux so I wonder if some of these are more of an 'unsettled' baby rather than a truly distressed one - there are definitely degrees eg the definition of colic - 3 hours of crying, 3 days a week for 3 weeks - I dont think two hours screaming is any fun for any mum but does she miss out on support if her baby cries less than the definition?. Or are there are other contributing causes to the crying that are simply being palmed off as 'reflux'. I believe what mums say and would especially never question a mum of multiples as having unrealistic expectations as they have comparison of their own previous experience. Perhaps I only see more desperate people and many mums are very isolated - who is taking a screaming baby out? In such cases it isnt easy for a tired, worried mum to see what is a range of baby behaviour when you are adjusting to a whole new life. Re the chiro - I had suggested to this particular mum ( with breech bub) that perhaps a chiro or osteopath would be helpful ( I was thinking more of hip/ nerve pinching) . Could an arm have been up by babys head and 'squashed'?? I havent seen the mum privately to ask this - when I asked did he favour one side/ seem more unsettled on a particular side, she didnt know as according to her, he was always so miserable that she couldnt tell and prescribed reflux meds werent helping. She is a vet herself so made her own choices. The chiro I referred to is paed trained (not many are), married to an osteopath and very gentle with babies -I have heard him speak ( he has spoken to midwives at RWH Melbourne) and seen him work ( on my own child and grandchild who was a gentle waterbirth but commando crawling asymmetrically, using one leg only - pushed off with the opposite leg a couple of days later ?? coincidence or treatment, I guess we wont know but I have seen 'slower' babies crawl the same week as a treatment) . I used to be a skeptic myself and would never refer to anybody I wasn't very confident about- even then I am gentle about suggesting anybody other than MCH: LC or GP - However, I have seen some wonderful results both from this particular chiro and some osteopaths - eg babies who favour one side/ positional turns and in particular one baby who was very 'sicky' dribbly and a very slow feeder (already on bottle before I met him) - baby came without his bib to class and I commented -I didnt know he had been to the chiro. The parents beaming, said, we took him to Braden yesterday and he feeds in twenty minutes now and has stopped vomiting/ dribbling. Pinky - Original Message - From: suzi and brett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux I have one of those coloured charts too - diary of a mad housewife! I always planned to blow it up and make art - its quite graphic and pretty! We could have an exhibition! mine did help explain to the Child Health nurse that - yes my baby never slept for 45 mins at a time then and hour of crying...for 7 months! I am absolutely convinced now that im more informed that it was REFLUX even though every one said its over diagnosed and mythological at the time. Sitting up, eating solids, general maturation of the oesophageal sphincter all helped and proved retrospectively what the prob was. If only some one had diagnosed it earlier and i had treated with homeopathics (and ive heard a great Bowen therapy technique helps too) I might have had a second baby after all ! Love suzi - Original Message - From: MHOOK To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux I don't know about over-diagnosis- my second baby (now 17) had reflux and it made her first six months the worst of my life. I'd had a perfectly normal time with my first baby, he was unsettled like
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux
Pinky, Firstly, let me say Pinky, that I have the greatest respect for you and your beliefs, but let me admit straight up that I am very sceptical of chiropracters, particularly those who are happy to manipulate babies. So I must ask, did this baby have any symptoms of a dislocated shoulder? Was it favouring the other arm or not moving it at all? Was it lengthened, disproportionate to the body or other arm, or was there an abnormality in the appearance of the shoulder. I have never seen a baby with a dislocated shoulder, broken clavicle and erbs palsy yes, but no dislocation. I have seen adults with dislocations and they are rather easy to spot and can be fun to replace! I would have been surprised that a breech birth would be associated with a dislocated shoulder. There is a correlation between breech birth and congenital dislocation of the hip, particularly in girls. I am unsure how the mechanisms of breech birth (Hands off the breech) would cause such an injury. Perhaps you can offer me some insight into this case? Thankfully, Megan - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux Helen - I tend to agree - I see many babies who have been 'diagnosed'with reflux - I heard a paed speak ( sorry cant remember his name) who said it was more to do with anxiety/ lack of attunement than a 'stomach' condition -I wouldnt blame parents though as anyone with an unsettled baby would be anxious/ vicious cycle. I have though seen babies settle miraculously' after a little work with parents - teaching baby massage is a very non-intrusive/ non blaming way to help parents become confident at attuning with baby non-verbal cues and thus responding appropriately; also if they do a few tangible things like positioning babies - ie head elevated - I show a lovely position with a pillow between parents bent legs( feet together, knees open, with pillow resting on parents feet), baby facing parent, so baby and parent make good eye contact - babies seem to stop grizzling straight away - and colic holds ; 'colic' massage -I too am a bit sceptical about all the 'wind' that seems to be around; plus a few changes to mums diet ( wonder if some of this is allergies/ food sensitivity - mums tend to fill up on chocolate when they feel stressed with unsettled bubs) and within days babies are much better. perhaps having a label takes away the blame aspect that parents are doing something wrong - I also see babies for whom meds make no difference - eg one this week diagnosed with 'reflux' -I suggested a really good paediatric chiro locally - bub had been breech ( vag birth) and turned out he had a shoulder dislocated - mum also eating loads of dairy. Bub was much calmer after his shoulder was fixed, relaxed and took a full massage that afternoon - the previous session he cried so much he couldnt be massaged at all. I wonder if the 'overdiagnosis' of reflux is a treatment of symptoms not a look at what could be causing the crying and /or vomiting. Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reflux Just found this article whilst surfing the net. I feel anecdotally that both reflux and colic are overdiagnosed. I am a midwife but not a MCH nurse. If it is so common maybe it IS a normal variation..what do you think about it? It just seems to me that some people aren't happy until they have a label and a medicine to treat it with when they have an unsettled baby. Maybe I am being too simplistic about this subject. Interested in the thoughts of some of our online listers. Helen http://www.bubhub.com.au/newsletterdec0601.shtml Reflux is so common it is almost seen as 'normal', or even trivial, and most people just don't understand how difficult life can be for many families, or understand the impact reflux can have on their lives! They may think of it erroneously as 'just a bit of vomiting', or 'just a behavioural issue'. They don't see how it impacts on the child's eating, sleeping, growth, behaviour or quality of life; or on the family's quality of life, relationships between partners, siblings or other children; finances; and even leisure time. The truth is, only families who have experienced it for themselves really understand. Many families: a.. Have difficulty getting people to believe just how bad the vomiting and/or the screaming really are b.. receive conflicting and confusing advice c.. become socially isolated d.. feel like failures as parents e.. have family and friends who just didn't understand Even when a baby is suffering from relatively uncomplicated reflux, families often need reassurance, and
Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
Belinda, Are you able to elaborate on how you were shown to sleep. We often encourage cosleeping but I have never heard of a particular method of laying. Megan (cosleeper with 3 kids and one very squished husband) - Original Message - From: Belinda Pound [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Just general thoughts...not directed personally at you Raelene... A Few years ago when I had my daughter at mater mothers in Brisbane, some of the midwives that cared for us actually encouraged my daughter sleep beside me. We were having breastfeeding challenges (to say the least) and were encouraged that the skin to skin/smell close contact etc would be of benefit with supply/attachment/bonding etc. We co slept on a double bed; and I was shown how to place my arm so that if I did try to roll over...I couldn't thus not rolling onto my baby. I have since had my second child and we often co sleep. I hate the thought of him being over there in his crib by himself..I want him to hear my breathing/heartbeat and have my body warmth. It disturbs me how after carrying your baby for nine month in utero that establishments find it necessary to separate mother and baby and formulate policies in view of ??litigation should a baby be smothered by the mother whilst co sleeping. Just for interest sake, does anyone know if 'mothers instinct' plays a part in her not rolling on/smothering her babe when co sleeping? Cheers Belinda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 12:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] job
Anke, Give Ingrid Steed or Jan Smith a call at Mareeba on 0740922322. - Original Message - From: Anke Dalman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] job Hi Di, The birth centre is only a dream at this point and when I see how fast they work here it might be another 1 or 2 years until it's up and running, and then it will still be running under the medical model, since it is on hospital grounds. I don't think that it will be run as a true midwifery model. Love Anke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2007 8:56 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] job I suppose the birth centre in Townsville has staff picked already ? Di
[ozmidwifery] Attention Anke
Anke, Please contact me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] re work. ASAP. Megan - Original Message - From: Anke Dalman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] job Hi Di, The birth centre is only a dream at this point and when I see how fast they work here it might be another 1 or 2 years until it's up and running, and then it will still be running under the medical model, since it is on hospital grounds. I don't think that it will be run as a true midwifery model. Love Anke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2007 8:56 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] job I suppose the birth centre in Townsville has staff picked already ? Di
Re: [ozmidwifery] where has this list gone?
Justine, do you have some references for the midwifery led units that you refer to: To prove this look at the NZ rural units stats where midwives are providing a total care package without an obstetric unit and epidural service at the door. These stats are stunning. It is very hard to find references for units that do not either coexist with tertiary facilities or have drs etc. Megan - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] where has this list gone? Dear Kelly and all Some additional information may assist you before you totally throw the NZ model out the window. For those of us who have lobbied at high levels, and been involved with writing (and selling!) NMAP etc we needed to totally understand the good and the bad of NZ. Kelly your statements re intervention in NZ on a broad brush are not totally true. One of the major down falls of the stats (ie c/s) is the midwifery interaction with obstetrics (ie large metro units that have the greatest birth numbers). To prove this look at the NZ rural units stats where midwives are providing a total care package without an obstetric unit and epidural service at the door. These stats are stunning. The funding arrangement is NZ is wonderful. It gives parity to each maternity health professional undertaking the same work. It has been legislated (s88). It also places the woman at the centre to choose her carer and direct payment accordingly. The consumer focus re dispute resolution is stunning. (Are you aware of this Kelly) Compare all of this with Australia. Women are mostly treated as a piece of meat that will make them money. Last week I heard a GP/Ob respond to 6 complaints with Well I'm trying to run a business. Australian women have no real choice. Choice of a private Hosp and private Ob is NOT choice. 1% access to midwifery is NOT CHOICE. So one of the major solutions for them (NZ) and us is a total midwifery scope of practice that does not place a woman within an obstetric dominated setting unless there is clinical need. This means home birth and stand alone midwifery units, this means women labouring at home for as long as possible (with their midwife). You only need to look at Australian co-located birth centres to get a similar picture. Yes it is the best we have but the 50% transfer rate is not representative of women's incapacity or midwifery care (on the whole). It is as a result of obstetric domination and protocols that have no basis of evidence. This is how we set midwifery and women up to fail. Why can't a woman with PROM labour in a BC? What difference is the transfer to a theatre from delivery suite to BC? This is a total furphy. So are many other's that exist. The answer in Australia is firstly a funding stream. Medicare for midwives (without restriction). Then women actually have a funded choice. From there many hurdles (no doubt). I agree women are the key, but it is nearly impossible to get women to fight for or even explore something they have no experience of. So a funded choice would get the cultural change happening. To do this we need midwives that are with women so I believe it is a partnership of change. Women will lead but midwives will be there right beside them. In solidarity Justine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
Well said Janet. It's quite obvious when you look at the entire context of women in our society. Actions speak louder than words. Unfortunately many women are too busy trying to be 'yummy mummy's' rather than focusing on getting in tune with themselves and their babies. Popular culture has a lot to answer for. It's really wasting and deceiving women, no wonder PND is so prevalent. Keeping your sense of humour is sooo important. Meg. - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? Personally, I see it in a far wider context where birth, pregnancy and breastfeeding are just all aspects of women's lives and are thus constrained by a lack of genuine choice and yet many potential pacifiers and hoops to jump through. I can't approach birth on it's own because it's merely a reflection of all else in our lives. So many women still have little economic or personal power within families, we are survivors of all manner of violence in all manner of situations, we are trained to oppress ourselves and hate our female bodies. It's a wonder to me that some women see through this for whatever reason and pursue truly nurturing choices for themselves and their babies instead of doing what gets the biggest pat on the head. I cannot see birth without seeing the rest of our lives. Sometimes in Joyous Birth we joke that the last thing we're about is birth. Not that we don't provide immense amounts of information, we just don't isolate it but put it in that wider context. Once we make empowered decisions in the rest of our lives, we naturally make them in birth and breastfeeding. Once we are supported we have enough to maintain us through the intensity of early parenting without falling prey to sleep trainers and formula manufacturers. So while the forces against us are are multi-pronged and powerful, some of the solution can be simple. And I stop myself going mad, as I answer yet another question about how VBAC is safer, induction sux, breasts make enough milk with enough stimulation by debriefing and retaining a sense of humour. Feminists are funny - or we'd be mad with grief all the time. Each time one woman makes a decision that saves her life and her mental health, there is a ripple effect. Hopefully those will grow. : ) - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? Hi, I have become fairly philosophical about it (I guess I have to for self preservation!) I think that if a woman has grown up, been socialised in this culture and is now an adult, I have to be accepting of the decision she makes. If nothing in her 30 years (or whatever) has taught her to take responsibility for her own decisions, has taught her to trust her own body, or has led her to believe that breastfeeding is something worth doing, nothing I say will probably change her mind, but still, I will speak up for natural birth and breastfeeding. And sometimes something I may say or do might have resonance with a woman and contribute a little to her decision making. Barb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? To me the way women (society) veiws pregnancy reflects the current trend to rush for medical assistance in any situation. Common colds, neck pain, constipation, insomnia, depression, obesity, you name it. Instead of looking within at underlying emotional issues, considering diet, toxins such as refined foodstuffs, stress, chemicals.whatever, you get my drift, the list is long. Any way instead of resolving the underlying causes or problems there is an increasing tendance to run for a fix-up, a suppression of symptoms. I see too often pregnancy considered by women as a medical problem to be managed. What do some do the minute they think they are pregnantmake an appointment with a doctor for confirmation...and so it begins. Do the doctors tell them that evidence concludes midwives to be the specialists in nornmal maternity care? Yeah right! In society the common assumption is the highest scientifically qualifed person must be the best one for the job. Interesting what you say about having already paid up front and not wanting to loose out financially having already paid an Obs...THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS! I am personally in favour of women changing streams of care whatever their gestation. Just my ramblings
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Lynne, May I have a copy to thanks, Megan - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pap smears while pregnant?
Yes, they are safe to do in pregnancy however if I remember correctly they are only performed in the second trimester, or 8 weeks postpartum. Megan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pap smears while pregnant? Is it safe to have a PS whilst pregnant and is there any risk with having it done - particularly in early pregnancy? Regards, Sam. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc
I work at a major tertiary hospital-we stock misoprostil and use it with pph's so I think it is licenced. Meg - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc misoprostal isn't licenced here is Australia. I wouldn't be prescribing it if I were a GP. When I was Working at a private Hospital the Obs kept it in their own possesion. It isn't licenced to be kept at the hospital as far as I know. The pharmacy at the hospital wouldn't touch it. It's not the sort of drug you should have at a homebirth anyway. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc I am hoping to get a script for Misoprostal (sp) for my homebirth. Any ideas. Should I just ask a GP? What are they liable for if they do prescribe it. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robyn Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 12:10 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc Yes, the synto is about $100 a box. So what I do, is buy/pay for one box, which lasts for the next women ( does that make sense?), I only use Synto about once a year! ( and then there are the years you need it 3 times in a row!) Robyn D - Original Message - From: Jennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc I have a few births at home coming up and was wondering about synto and other drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? Do I have to have a script from a doctor? The other issue that I do find difficult is the issue of cost for homebirth.Others I have been involved in have been for friends and colleagues. Does anyone have a schedule of payment and cost that they use? I am meeting with a couple on Monday and would love to have a bit more idea. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, Thanks Cath Had a client recently who I sent to her GP for a script for synt. She got the script, went to the chemist to fill it found it was going to cost her around $80 to get it - they only sold it in the boxes of five vials. I ended up asking around my MIPP friends managed to find some that way (dint need it anyway so its still in my fridge). If you give me your postal address Im happy to post some to you - my understanding is that its ok to keep it out of the fridge for a time. cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women's Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer - Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1866 (20061114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Trivial ? For hosp midwives
Hi Lisa, At our hospital the parents fill the birth reg papers out. The midwife fills in the centrelink declaration and the ward clerk puts together a pack for the parents but they need to fill it in. Regards, Meg. - Original Message - From: LJG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Trivial ? For hosp midwives Hi all - am wanting to ask a silly question - when do you give out the birth registration forms and who fills them in? i.e. is this done by m/ws or ward clerks?? Thanks Lisa Feel free to pm me -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1816 (20061019) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re . insurance for midwives
Well said Cath, As a mother with a young family, and being the main income support for my family, there is no way that I could afford to lose everything (possessing little in the way of assests, I would) and I also could not afford to hb full time. However if with insurance more midwives were happy to do at least a few births or provide antenatal and postnatal care, perhaps the profile of midwives as professionals would increase in the publics perception of good birthing care. I believe that it is also foolish to believe that a client would be unlikely to sue, even the most enthusiastic homebirther may find her mind change when faced with the long term cost of raising a child with special needs. I have been involved in a case with a highly educated and motivated couple who had a baby with cerebal palsy (no birth complications except for a flat baby), this case has been ongoing for several years now, and I don't see how anyone would survive the financial cost of either a just or unjust case. And yes - no fault system such as the ones in NZ or the trust system in the UK are both preferrable alternatives. I agree that I would prefer that the college should take on insurance for it's members, and would happily support it's investigation of this or any other offer. With the greater numbers of members a reasonable deal may be able to be negotiated. Meg - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] re . insurance for midwives As always, well said Justine. I feel that insurance being offered is a very positive move for midwifery in Australia. I know of several midwives who would be more willing to work outside of the hospital if they had insurance, and personally speaking I would welcome cover with open arms. As Andrea says, we don't all have the ability to have no assets, and why should we? I work in an area where homebirth is virtually unheard of. If I didn't work in the hospital I would not have an income.I would love that to change but kids, house etc require certain income, and in reality I can't see a full time midwifery practise in demand in this area in the near future.I am damn sure I am not alone. Lets look at this offer of some professional protection and embrace the positive side effects that it will bring if itcomes to fruition. By all means we need to examine the policy but not shoot it down before it is offered. Cath
Re: [ozmidwifery] re . insurance for midwives
Tania, where did you access the midwives PI list? meg - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re . insurance for midwives Can I just say that I don’t think anyone is shooting anything down, I’m really glad that there is finally some open discussion going on around this issue! There are many of us over in SA who are feeling a bit in the dark about where things are up to, and what having our name on this list means. I’m open to having a look at what is on offer, I think it’s great that after all this time, someone is willing to take us on and offer us something that is possibly affordable. I can see however why midwives might be hesitant to allow an insurance company to take over the running of their finances, tax payments etc, especially given the reality of working as an IPM, ie not every midwife bills and expects payment in the same way, and not every woman can afford to pay up front etc. I can just understand how confronting it might be to have to change the entire way one works regarding payment etc and I’m wondering how a one size fits all plan might work for 200 or so people that all run their businesses very differently. Please can we keep the open dialogue going on this issue, and is there some way that we can have access to any minutes etc from the meetings that have been taking place? I am on the Midwives PI list, but can’t receive attachments via that list, so is there some way that each of the IPM groups in each state can be sent the information about where things are up to for now? Cheers Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of cath nolanSent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 7:25 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] re . insurance for midwives As always, well said Justine. I feel that insurance being offered is a very positive move for midwifery in Australia. I know of several midwives who would be more willing to work outside of the hospital if they had insurance, and personally speaking I would welcome cover with open arms. As Andrea says, we don't all have the ability to have no assets, and why should we? I work in an area where homebirth is virtually unheard of. If I didn't work in the hospital I would not have an income.I would love that to change but kids, house etc require certain income, and in reality I can't see a full time midwifery practise in demand in this area in the near future.I am damn sure I am not alone. Lets look at this offer of some professional protection and embrace the positive side effects that it will bring if itcomes to fruition. By all means we need to examine the policy but not shoot it down before it is offered. Cath --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 4/09/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 4/09/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units
Mareeba has recently finished a year of midwife led care and is hoping to publish results in the near future. Megan - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units That is fantastic Tania - well done to you both. Helen - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units Don’t actually have them here at the moment, but out of 99 women, 0% induction and episiotomy, 6% c/section, I think around 10% perineal trauma requiring suturing, 65%waterbirths, and that’s all I can remember off the top of my head! Needless to say, Wendy and I are very proud of the living proof that continuity of carer does seem to come up with the goods.. J Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and GrahamSent: Sunday, 27 August 2006 6:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units Hi Tania Would be really interested to know your stats as I anticipate they will be something to be proud ofI know midwifery led care is the way to go and look forward to being able to shout this from the rafters with some good ammunition Helen - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units Hi all, Just doing a bit of my own research, and wondering if there are any stats yet for the newly formed midwifery led units such as Ryde, St George etc. I have access to the ones that have been issued for the Women’s and Children’s in Adelaide (MGP), but I suppose there is also the Canberra one (is that still running) and also the Perth community midwifery programme. Having just figured out what our personal stats for 5 years in practice together are, I’d like to be able to compare with these groups if the info is out there…anyone? Tania __ NOD32 1.1727 (20060826) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006__ NOD32 1.1727 (20060826) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006
[ozmidwifery] Birthing in Wa
Study into public obstetric servicesThursday, 13 July 2006 PREGNANT women in Collie forced to have their babies in Bunbury due to a lack of obstetric services could soon be a thing of the past. The Legislative Council of Western Australia has selected a committee to inquire into public obstetric services in regional areas and are seeking concerns and opinions from Collie and other regional areas. In May this year, the Collie Mail reported a number of women in Collie had to have their babies in Bunbury due to a lack of qualified doctors. The main focus of the committee will be on the choices available to people having babies and community based midwifery. Wellington district manager Jaynie Kirkpatrick said there was only one doctor in Collie who was fully credited to deliver babies in low risk circumstances including caesarean births and the use of forceps and vacuum. Western Australian Rural Doctors Association president Doctor Rob Whitehead said the Federal and State Governments needed to work together to increase services in rural areas and the main concern should not be about saving funds but about encouraging more doctors to work in rural areas. "We need to train more young doctors in the advanced skills required in country areas including anaesthetics, delivering babies and some surgical procedures," he said. "Secondly there needs to be more incentives for doctors to continue their training and to deliver babies in rural areas. "Women living in country areas should have a right to deliver their babies in the town they live in. "A town like Collie that delivers about 100 babies a year needs more services and conditions to support the doctors already there." Legislative Committee chairperson MLC Helen Morton said public hearings would be held and encouraged people to express their views on this matter. "The committee recognises the special needs of people living in rural and remote communities and the issues they face when having a baby," she said. Copies of the committee's terms of reference are at www.parliament.wa.gov.au and submissions are to be received by 4pm on Friday, July 21. They can be sent to Committee Clerk Mark Warner a selected committees to Public Obstetric Services, Legislative Council, Parliament House, Perth.
[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding in OT
Dear all, I would just like to boast because today I achieve a goal. With the help of an obliging mum, this morning I managed to receive a baby in OT, and except for the brief moment when I rearranged bub and checked first apgar, mother and baby remained together, skin to skin,for the duration of the operation. Even having a good twenty minute breastfeed whilst OP progressed. Mother was very impressed that a baby would fed so soon after birth. Both mum and bub had a good sleep (still skin to skin) on return to ward. Megan
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: online journals
Thanks Barbara, and everyone else who replied. Megan - Original Message - From: Dr Barbara Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: online journals Hi Megan I'm pleased to say that the Australian College of Midwives now has an online Journal: Women and Birth. The first issue of this year can be accessed by all by visiting the http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/18715192 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/18715192 In the future it will be possible for members and subscribers to access all the past and present content of the journal at http://www.sciencedirect.com/wombi http://www.sciencedirect.com/wombi Members of the ACM are also able to access a greatly discounted price for the international Journal called Midwifery which is also available on line to subscribers. We're in the process of setting up this option for our members, hope to have it available by August. Kind regards, Barb. Dr Barbara Vernon Executive Officer Australian College of Midwives 1/97 Northbourne Ave, TURNER ACT Ph +61 2 6230 7333 From: Rebecca Gaiewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 30 June 2006 2:21:40 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: online journals Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Hi Megan, I am at Uni, so I have access through them but the Australian Health Review is free and you have access via there web site: http://www.aushealthreview.com.au/publications/articles/ also http://informit.com.au/index.asp has Australasian online journals as a trial but later to purchase, I am not sure of the prices. Journals such as Birth @ http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/toc/bir/33/2 will sometime have free articles, you can have the 'table of contents' e-mailed. Another good one is the Cochrane Review @ http://www.mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/cochrane_clsysrev_crglist_fs. html Hope these help. Cheers Rebecca Gaiewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] file:///\\localhost\Library\Application%20Support\Apple\iChat%20Icons\Fung% 20Shui\Geta%20(Wooden%20Sandal)%20%20.gif On 30/06/2006, at 7:48 AM, meg wrote: Thanks Andrea, I was begining to think it was me! megan - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrea Quanchi To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: online journals This is always an issue unless you 1. are studying and thus have access through the uni. 2. are employed at a hospital Most hospitals have access through the library and a government website but I can never remember what it is. If you work at a hospital check with the IT department or library. 3. ANF members can access AJAN via ANF website I am yet to find a way to access some journals even with all of the above ( Birth, Practicing Midwife just two off the top of my head). Andrea Quanchi On 29/06/2006, at 4:50 PM, meg wrote: - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] meg To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: online journals Can anyone tell me where they access online journals that are able to be downloaded or emailed. I have access to midirs but you can only get articles mailed out and they cost a fair bit. Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Trial of Scar
My sister had a lscs for pih / failed induction (don't ask) and then went on to have a failed attempt at a VBAC (same Dr) he noted a thin lower segment. I agree with the natural state theory and discussed this thought with my sister, as the dr advised her not to have any more children suggesting that she was at risk of uterine rupture. She has since moved to Brisbane, had another lscs, and the OB never mentioned anything unusual with her uterus. She is now trying to fall pregnant with her 4th. megan - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Trial of Scar One thing I have seen a lot of is Obs stating in the operative notes that uterus was 'very thin' or 'translucent' and using this as justification for the repeat c/s One lady recently was wanting vbac very badly - came in in early labour i.e. not really established, at T+10. Got ARM'd - 2cms dilated, mec liquor ( not unusual post dates) CTG'd - nothing sinister on the trace, but a few hours later was told she needed c/s for fetal distress! Still not even in established labour, and I could see no evidence of fetal distress on the trace. The ob wrote 'translucent lower segment' on the notes. Apart from the total b.s. of her needing a repeat c/s this was so obviously a decision made by the ob without her understanding or ability to question his decision ( I was not there - talked about it with a colleague and we looked through the notes). Result is a woman who feels very aggrieved and disempowered. If she had had more knowledge and support she may well have had the ability to say no to the ARM and continuous monitoring, question what was deemed to be fetal distress on the monitor, and even not come in that early in her labour or go home again to establish. Instead she has had a second uneccessary c/s and is heading for a second bout of PND. Anyone have any comments on these 'thin lower segment' claims? My belief is that it is probably a normal state for the lower segment but 'they' see it as a sign of imminent rupture (of course if they weren't about to slice into it they wouldn't be able to see how thin it was) On a slightly different tack - can anyone point me to the latest thinking with active vaginal herpes lesions? Automatic c/s, or is there an alternative option? TIA Sue - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Trial of Scar When women tell me they were C/Sd for FTP Ialways explain this to themas "your baby just couldn't come outbecause...??? I am looking for further information from them or imparting what I know of the situation which led to their surgery. I do NOT say: "you didn't dilate" ie it's your fault that your Cx 'failed' to open, or the baby to descend etc. Apportioningblame is not a productive exercise here. FTP is a 'blanket term' for heaps of things as Janet says. It would be much more helpful to the women in understanding what's happened to themif we isolated the problem specified it rather than put it all under 1 heading which by its very wording assumes the mother is somehow at fault ! With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Trial of Scar There's a thread on JB called "FTP? FTW?" which has research on it and how FTP is, oddly enough ; ) not something normally recognised or "diagnosed" in midwifery. FTP is one of the main reasons in Australia for c-sec, the other two reasons being breech and previous surgery. Shocking. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Trial of Scar Id love to use all three but I will stick with the one that women know well most of the birth stories in our forum have that in it, unfortunately Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybellycom.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday,
[ozmidwifery] Fw: online journals
- Original Message - From: meg To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: online journals Can anyone tell me where they access online journals that are able to be downloaded or emailed. I have access to midirs but you can only get articles mailed out and they cost a fair bit. Megan
[ozmidwifery] online journals
Can anyone tell me where they access online journals that are able to be downloaded or emailed. I have access to midirs but you can only get articles mailed out and they cost a fair bit. Megan
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: online journals
Thanks Andrea, I was begining to think it was me! megan - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: online journals This is always an issue unless you 1. are studying and thus have access through the uni. 2. are employed at a hospital Most hospitals have access through the library and a government website but I can never remember what it is. If you work at a hospital check with the IT department or library. 3. ANF members can access AJAN via ANF website I am yet to find a way to access some journals even with all of the above ( Birth, Practicing Midwife just two off the top of my head). Andrea Quanchi On 29/06/2006, at 4:50 PM, meg wrote: - Original Message - From: meg To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: online journals Can anyone tell me where they access online journals that are able to be downloaded or emailed. I have access to midirs but you can only get articles mailed out and they cost a fair bit. Megan
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Low iron and inability to breastfeed?
I would suggest changing carers! Megan - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Low iron and inability to breastfeed? Sorry forgot to include: They told me I would likely need a transfusion after the birth as well, and that I would be too weak to even stand after the birth and would need the oxytocin injection after birth to ensure I did not loose too much blood (I had asked for a natural third stage). I've been on supplements the whole time - in fact, the doctor has put me on twice the recommended level, but for some reason my body is not absorbing the iron. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBellycom.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 19 June 2006 1:34 PMTo: 'ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au'Subject: Low iron and inability to breastfeed? Yeah my jaw dropped too any advice for this mum?: I was wondering if anyone else has been told they would have trouble b/f as their iron levels are too low? I'm due any day now and have never leaked or had any signs that I will be able to produce milk... The midwife at the BC told me that as my iron levels were below 100 I would have trouble b/f... this has upset me greatly as I really want to be able to do this.. I was wondering if she could be wrong, or if anyone else has had a similar experience and what happened? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBellycom.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] weight loss
The Tegretol could be of concern and the other medications should be checked too. I would also have an experienced person do another baby check to exclude cardiac abnormalities. Cardiac babies can be fine in the first few days, but then become lethargic etc as thier bodies cardiac requirements increase. Megan - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] weight loss Dear wise women I have been following a client on early discharge whose baby is losing weight. Now about 2 weeks old, I readmitted her on day 5 as bub was lethargic, had not had a bowel movement and had lost weight. She expressed, fed and topped up, bub 'woke up' and put on weight, started opening bowels and generally improved all round, went home again fully breast feeding, seems to have plenty of milk, plenty of wet nappies but again - no poo's, and on last 2 visits had lost weight, 50g then another 40g. Has not regained birth weight yet and does not seem satisfied despite frequent b/f. I will be seeing her again tomorrow and am frankly puzzled by this scenario. She is on medication herself for epilepsy (low dose Tegretol and another that I can't remember) and has been taking Motilium to boost supply. Any suggestions/comments? TIA Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke
Re: [SPAM] Re: [ozmidwifery] query
Hi Nancy, What equipment do you have left? Megan - Original Message - From: Diane Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [ozmidwifery] query Hi Nancy, How much do you want for the birth stool and where are you? regards Diane Gardner - Original Message - From: Nancy San Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] query Hello Andrea, I am a midwife in far north NSW, used to be independent until insurance ceased. Now I have a fair bit of equipment to sell and was wondering if I could publish the list on ozmid? I have a pregnancy rocker and birthrite birth stool as well as many smaller items. I thought it might be good for both myself and buyers - getting good stuff at good prices. Please let me know if this is possible. Thanks for considering. Kind regards, Nancy San Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Robertson Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2006 9:09 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Nitrous oxide - potential dangers for midwives Hi everyone, The article published in MIDIRS March 2006 on Nitrous Oxide - no laughing matter is now available on our website. You can access it directly here: http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/andrea27.html or though My Diary: http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html This is a very important health and safety issue for midwives and I urge everyone to read it and circulate it widely. A similar article will be published in the Midwifery Matters journal of the Association of Radical Midwives in the UK in June (I have been advised). Regards, Andrea -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: OP
Could anyone describe the rebozo technique to me, as I am currentlly caring for a lovely primip with an OP, term plus, who has been niggling for a few days. We have been trying OFP, stair walking, chunning etc with no success. Thanks, Megan - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: OP Just to add to this, after talking about this the other night, I've been thinking a bit about it too. Obviously an awareness of positioning of the baby is beneficial, but I'm with you Jo, too much emphasis on this, and not enough practical applications, or answers to the questions, and it becomes an unhealthy obsession... Having said that, I'd be keen to try the Rebozo technique next time a persistent OP labour comes my way, (or should I say, a baby in a persistent OP position), but how? I understand the how of how to use the rebozo, but what about how long? And do I then need to keep checking by palp the position of the baby, to determine whether it's been effective? All sounds like a lot of disruption to the normal birthing process, and I'm not sure under what circumstances I'd be happy to instigate all this intervention... Any ideas from those more experienced? Tania x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Jo Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2006 5:28 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: OP Thanks Nancy, Having had 2 stubborn OP babies myself I lived and breathed the Optimal Fetal Positioning for the second child. Interestingly I didn’t get so hung up on it the third time and that was the only babe who was OA. Must say that there is a danger sometimes in being too obsessed with doing the 'right' thing. What I am interested in though, is rationale for stubborn OP babies and the premature pushing urge. How does a woman who has laboured in a bath upright during all her labour overcome this problem? I have had an experience where one woman whose baby was LOA during the last weeks of pregnancy, turned OP during an active upright drug free labour and then after 22 hours turned only to have the fetal heart rate plummet resulting in CS. During the last 4 hours the urge to push was overwhelming and she was 6cm...lots of swelling and molding of baby head. Would this be why it took so long to turn? How do you avoid this? Is this common or is it indicative to a type of pelvis?? Need to dig deeper than just optimizing positions. I know babies can and do birth fully OP but the links with premature pushing urge is of interest to me. Thanks Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy San Martin Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:56 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: OP Hi Jo, Have you read any of Jean Sutton's work? She wrote a book called Optimal Fetal Positioning in which she describes all about OP causes and prevention. She also designed a Pregnancy Rocker to aid in the prevention of OP from 34 weeks onward. Any more info about the Pregnancy rocker ...email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Nancy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Jo Sent: Monday, 16 January 2006 3:39 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] References required Could someone point me in the direction on further information about stubborn OP presentations and the links with premature pushing urges? Much appreciated Jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 1/13/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
