Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD stories

2007-02-25 Thread Denise Hynd 
There was/is a US Obs professor out of Austin Texas said he used to believe 
in it but that is like rocking horse  !

Denise Hynd

"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the 
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by 
anyone, our bodies will be handled."


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To: "ozmidwifery" 
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 6:29 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD stories



Met a woman who told me she had had a C/S for CPD with 1st bub. Had a home
birth with 2nd, who was 2lb heavier.  I believe CPD does occur, but is 
very

rare.
As with 'fetal distress', also does occur, it's often used for an excuse 
to
section a woman. We need to accept that sometimes there is a genuine need 
to
interfere. Looking at the improvement in outcomes for women and babies, 
and

seeing the awful things happening in the Developing world there is a need
for some obstetric intervention in some cases.  I do agree that our rate 
of

intervention is far too high, and often have a song and dance about it.


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[ozmidwifery] CPD stories

2007-02-25 Thread Ken Ward 
Met a woman who told me she had had a C/S for CPD with 1st bub. Had a home
birth with 2nd, who was 2lb heavier.  I believe CPD does occur, but is very
rare.
As with 'fetal distress', also does occur, it's often used for an excuse to
section a woman. We need to accept that sometimes there is a genuine need to
interfere. Looking at the improvement in outcomes for women and babies, and
seeing the awful things happening in the Developing world there is a need
for some obstetric intervention in some cases.  I do agree that our rate of
intervention is far too high, and often have a song and dance about it.


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RE: [ozmidwifery] CPD

2005-09-24 Thread Kelly @ BellyBelly 
Title: Message



Brenda,
 
I found this 
interesting information below on the Childbirth Solutions website: http://www.childbirthsolutions.com/articles/birth/vbacinfo/index.php

Cephalo-pelvic disproportion 
(CPD)
This indication has been shown repeatedly to be 
inaccurate as a predictor of the possibility of future vaginal births. Up to 77% 
of women with a previous caesarean for CPD have a later vaginal birth. One third 
of them with larger babies. (ICEA Review). X-rays 
are notoriously inaccurate as a means of diagnosing CPD. The movement of a 
woman's pelvis during labour and the position of the baby are so significant 
that an x-ray prior to, or during, pregnancy cannot reliably indicate the 
likelihood of vaginal birth. 
Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, 
www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For 
Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & BabyAustralian Little Tikes 
Specialists 

  
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  Thank you
  BM
  
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From: 
Janet 
Fraser 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 5:45 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD

I'll put my mind to work 
on this one. All I can say is that I hear it all the time from women with 
Obs (surprise, surprise) and most women I know have birthed larger 
subsequent babies but at home without obstetric *ahem* "wisdom". A friend 
was dx with CPD with her 8lber and then pushed out an 11lber at home - no 
tear, no graze!
I'll look around. 
Something rings a bell...
J

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  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 
  3:48 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD
  
  Hi listers,
   
  A ?
  Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this 
  misdiagnosis occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ?
   
  Any idea where I'd find this info ??
   
  Brenda
  www.themidwife.com.au  

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Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD

2005-09-21 Thread Lindsay & Yvette 



This is very interesting about how stats are 
affected by the way things are reported.  And are these stats then used to 
argue the case for un-necessary interventions?
 
If records & stats are going to be 
kept they must be accurate!  How are people supposed to trust 
what they're told by the medical profession when it's based on stuff like 
this?
 
Yvette
(mother)  
 http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/t/twingirlslb/

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  From: 
  Jenny 
  Cameron 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:54 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD
  
   
  CPD is certainly overdiagnosed. I believe it is a 
  'diagnosis' used to cover a multitude of sins/excuses. One example; recently 
  we had a primigravida have a planned C/S for CPD. She was a robust healthy 
  woman with a smallish built husband. How one diagnoses CPD in a primigravida 
  unless there is a grossly contracted/abnormal pelvis is a mystery to me. I did 
  some digging & found out she was sick of herself at 39 weeks and requested 
  a C/S! CPD was the reason supplied for the C/S. This is skewing the stats for 
  CPD and is a misrepresentation of the real picture. She had a social C/S and 
  that should have been recorded. 
   
  Jenny
  Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 
0835
   
  0419 528 717
  
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From: 
brendamanning 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:18 
PM
    Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD

Hi listers,
 
A ?
Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this 
misdiagnosis occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ?
 
Any idea where I'd find this info ??
 
Brenda
www.themidwife.com.au  




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Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD

2005-09-21 Thread Jenny Cameron 



 
CPD is certainly overdiagnosed. I believe it is a 
'diagnosis' used to cover a multitude of sins/excuses. One example; recently we 
had a primigravida have a planned C/S for CPD. She was a robust healthy woman 
with a smallish built husband. How one diagnoses CPD in a primigravida unless 
there is a grossly contracted/abnormal pelvis is a mystery to me. I did some 
digging & found out she was sick of herself at 39 weeks and requested a C/S! 
CPD was the reason supplied for the C/S. This is skewing the stats for CPD and 
is a misrepresentation of the real picture. She had a social C/S and that should 
have been recorded. 
 
Jenny
Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 0835
 
0419 528 717

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  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:18 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD
  
  Hi listers,
   
  A ?
  Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this 
  misdiagnosis occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ?
   
  Any idea where I'd find this info ??
   
  Brenda
  www.themidwife.com.au  
  
  

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Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD

2005-09-20 Thread Denise Hynd 



I remeber an obs from Houstion Texas saying on 
another list 
He used to beleive in CPD Now he sees it as 
often as Rocking Horse s!!
Denise Hynd
 
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the 
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, 
our bodies will be handled."
 
— Linda Hes

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  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:48 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD
  
  Hi listers,
   
  A ?
  Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this 
  misdiagnosis occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ?
   
  Any idea where I'd find this info ??
   
  Brenda
  www.themidwife.com.au  
  
  

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Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD

2005-09-20 Thread brendamanning 



Thank you
BM

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 5:45 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD
  
  I'll put my mind to work on 
  this one. All I can say is that I hear it all the time from women with Obs 
  (surprise, surprise) and most women I know have birthed larger subsequent 
  babies but at home without obstetric *ahem* "wisdom". A friend was dx with CPD 
  with her 8lber and then pushed out an 11lber at home - no tear, no 
  graze!
  I'll look around. Something 
  rings a bell...
  J
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
brendamanning 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:48 
    PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD

Hi listers,
 
A ?
Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this 
misdiagnosis occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ?
 
Any idea where I'd find this info ??
 
Brenda
www.themidwife.com.au 

Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD

2005-09-20 Thread Janet Fraser 



I'll put my mind to work on 
this one. All I can say is that I hear it all the time from women with Obs 
(surprise, surprise) and most women I know have birthed larger subsequent babies 
but at home without obstetric *ahem* "wisdom". A friend was dx with CPD with her 
8lber and then pushed out an 11lber at home - no tear, no graze!
I'll look around. Something 
rings a bell...
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:48 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD
  
  Hi listers,
   
  A ?
  Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this 
  misdiagnosis occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ?
   
  Any idea where I'd find this info ??
   
  Brenda
  www.themidwife.com.au 

Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD

2005-09-19 Thread JoFromOz 




brendamanning wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Hi listers,
   
  A ?
  Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this
misdiagnosis occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ?
   
  Any idea where I'd find this info ??
   
  Brenda
  www.themidwife.com.au
  
  
Not sure about that, but often I've seen a mum and baby diagnosed with
CPD, and the caput on baby's head is off to the side, so obviously baby
was asynclitic, and not in the optimum position... hence we don't
really know if it was true CPD or mal position...  Yes, it is over
diagnosed, and puts the idea in women's heads that their pelvis is too
small. 

Jo

[ozmidwifery] CPD

2005-09-19 Thread brendamanning 



Hi listers,
 
A ?
Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this misdiagnosis 
occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ?
 
Any idea where I'd find this info ??
 
Brenda
www.themidwife.com.au  

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Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD WAS big baby fear?

2002-11-26 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD  WAS big baby fear?



14 pounder? some people will do anything for 
attention!!!
aviva
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From: Marilyn 
Kleidon 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD WAS big baby fear?

This just made me remember a story my ex-mother in 
law used to tell about her mother's 14lb baby.

Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD WAS big baby fear?

2002-11-25 Thread Marilyn Kleidon 
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD  WAS big baby fear?



This just made me remember a story my ex-mother in 
law used to tell about her mother's 14lb baby. The lived out in Western 
Queensland and the time would have been ~1915 or so. It was her mother's second 
pregnancy having successfully birthed a 7to 8lb boy the first time. Apparently 
there were these maternity centers at outposts around Queensland where women 
could come in for"confinement", they were sataffed by midwives. For some reason 
that I no longer remember her mother had taken to drinking a bottle of stout 
with every evening meal with this baby - some worry with nutrition. Anyway when 
she arrived at the maternity center, apparently she was very drawn and very 
huge. She overheard one of the midwives say to another "here comes death". This 
of course did not sit well with her, but she went on to birth her 14 lb baby 
without complications (sorry but other details were not handed down). The 14 lb 
baby grew into a slender, fit man of about 5 feet 7 inches tall, one of the 
smaller of his other 6 brothers and 2 sisters and lived a long and productive 
life. All other babies were in the 7 to 8 lb range with mum avoiding stout. The 
stout and the unfortunate (to say the least) comment of the midwife were the 
essence of the story handed down. This story, of course was told to me when I 
was prenant with my 1st daughter, I suppose to make sure I avoided the 
stout, and to prepare me for the possibility of a truly huge baby. Mine was a 
miniscule 6lber.
 
marilyn
 
 

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  From: 
  rem & 
  melissa bruijn 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:19 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD WAS big 
  baby fear?
  -->From: Sarah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
  I just find it disheartening to hear someone say that they were glad that 
  > they had a c-section because their baby was 'large'. I mean fair 
  enough if > it was 12lb or something (although I have heard that's 
  possible!) > > Anyway, I'm not yet a midwife and there's 
  probably more to it than this > like for instance cephalopelvic 
  disproportionSarah - check out the 
  International Caesarean Awareness Network (ICAN) website 
  (www.ican-online.org).  In their FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) 
  section, they discuss when a c/sec is TRULY indicated with a CPD diagnosis. 
   According to ICAN, true CPD is extremely rare and only associated with a 
  pelvic deformity or an incorrectly healed pelvic break.  That description 
  does not apply to any of the women that I know who were sliced open for 
  "CPD".Melissa

Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD WAS big baby fear?

2002-11-25 Thread rem & melissa bruijn 
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD  WAS big baby fear?





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>From: Sarah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I just find it disheartening to hear someone say that they were glad that 
> they had a c-section because their baby was 'large'. I mean fair enough if 
> it was 12lb or something (although I have heard that's possible!) 
> 
> Anyway, I'm not yet a midwife and there's probably more to it than this 
> like for instance cephalopelvic disproportion


Sarah - check out the International Caesarean Awareness Network (ICAN) website (www.ican-online.org).  In their FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) section, they discuss when a c/sec is TRULY indicated with a CPD diagnosis.  According to ICAN, true CPD is extremely rare and only associated with a pelvic deformity or an incorrectly healed pelvic break.  That description does not apply to any of the women that I know who were sliced open for "CPD".

Melissa