Ah but they don't think that sex and childbirth are related!!
Thanks for making me smile
Sue
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing"
Edmund Burke
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From: "Dean & Jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Men at births
Noises during birth ARE similar to sex I think...not that I eaves drop
that often! ;o) I think when people think of birthing positions and
facial expressions not being 'ladylike' I often want to say "it doesn't
seem to bother people at the other end of the equation! -being
conception!"
Thanks to cosmo and cleo we can now all feel comfortable with orgasim
and the such...saw the headline for an article called "heads up on going
down" gawd even made me blush! But when it comes to birth we are far
more comfortable with the quiet well behaved serene woman. Just think,
the lay back and think of england sex of years gone by has changed to be
empowering, fulfilling and active....but birth has so far to go!
Jo
SA
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miriam Hannay
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:49 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Men at births
I'm with you, Megan!
To give birth to a beloved child is the ultimate
expression of the emotional and sexual love my husband
and I share.
He described me during labour and birth as being
'awesome, powerful, sexy, strong, more beautiful than
ever before'. He even commented that the involuntary
noises I made during birth were similar to the noises
I make during orgasm!
Obviously, such an experience relies on the nature of
the birth itself, We had three babes at home and one
in hospital, all beautiful physiological births with
no intervention.
With regard retaining your 'sexual mystery', I'm not
quite sure what there is about sex and sexuality
that's 'mysterious'. If a couple's sexual relationship
is open, honest, loving and passionate, does there
need to be any 'mystery'? To me this smacks a little
of patriarchal notions of women's role as sexual
object... Gee, I hope my husband doesn't find anything
about me mysterious after fourteen years, otherwise
how would he know what I need and desire?!
What would be fantastic for men would be for all
practitioners to actively facilitate a role for them
during the birth process that makes them feel involved
and reflects the extraordinary beauty of the
experience. If only... regards, Miriam.
--- Megan & Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Its interesting how the conversation focuses on the
womans vagina.
What about the rest of her body?
My husband loved the feeling of my muscles working
in my body, he says they
have been different for each birth.
The last 3 were water births, so no vagina watching
by any one.
Speaking on his behalf, I know that he was and is so
awe inspired by
watching me have our babies, it only added to his
desire and love.
So I guess the total experience of how women birth
is what we are looking
at. No surprises there!
The book, I think titled, Father Time, which is a
collection of interviews
of Australain men, discusses this and the men who
experienced homebirths
very clearly did not experience the trauma.
I'm not sure about this "sexual mystery" thing
though. As a woman I take
great pride in having a uterus, vagina and breasts
that have created and
given life 4 times, its not all about "toys for
boys".
(Although having 4 sons kind of retracts that
statement)
My thoughts anyway
Megan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andrea Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 10:26 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Men at births
This is an interesting report in today's Sydney
Morning Herald. I remember
Michel Odent talking about research done in the US
that explored the effect
on a couple's sexual relationship when the man had
been exposed to the birth
process. Michel was advocating that women might want
to retain some of their
"sexual mystery" by excluding men from the birth
room. I have been at births
where I wondered how the father was taking the sight
of a practitioner
cutting an episiotomy.....
What does everyone think about this?
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/08/30/1125302566185.html
Regards,
Andrea
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Andrea Robertson
Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in
Childbirth Education
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.birthinternational.com
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