Re: [ozmidwifery] Taylorism

2006-12-30 Thread sallywilliams1
Coffee sounds great!! When is the next homebirth conference?

Sally x
 Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Hi Sally, thanks to you and the others for your kind words. We all ought to 
 get together for coffee
 (or Caro or Green Tea :-)
 
 Perhaps the next homebirth conference??
 
 Of course you can forward this and anything else I write to whoever you 
 wish.
 
 As for Taylorism, Frederick Winslow Taylor was the 'father' of scientific 
 management, very centered on industrial 'efficiency' and his work was used 
 in time and motion studies. Lenin loved his ideas and you can see what 
 happened in the USSR as a result.
 
 His ideas have found their way into many aspects of human life, including 
 the birth place.
 
 If you have the internet, you can google 'taylorism'  and you can read as 
 much as you like about him and his work.
 
 Happy New Year,
 
 love, Carolyn
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Sally @ home [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth?
 
 
  Carolyn,
  You are amazing...after being completely denigrated by the medicos and 
  some of my colleagues for believing that women DO NOT need V'E's every 4 
  hours to assess progress of labour, what you have written is a breath of 
  fresh air, with your permission I would like to forward your previous 
  email to my colleagues, to make those who practice obsteric nursing aware 
  and to support those who truly work with women.
 
  Have you got some info on Taylorism, I would like saome background on it. 
  Thanks heaps.
 
  regards
 
  Sally
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth?
 
 
  WOW!!!   Thank you thank you thank you.  Carolyn, that was just 
  what I needed.  Are you going to the homebirth conference this year?   If 
  so, I would dearly love to catch up with you  everyone else who 
  contributes to the ozmidwifery site.  maybe we can wear a flower or 
  something so we recognise each other.
 
  Much love and admiration,  Gail 
 
 
 From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth?
 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:24:40 +1100
 
 Dear Gail,
 
 Firstly, your instincts are spot on.
 
 This is a very distressing story.  It is not a coincidence that these 
 women's labours stalled following his VE's, that is absolutely to be 
 expected and is the result of a mindless disruption of the women's 
 optimal state of neurophyiological functioning. Taylorism, that is an 
 industrial, efficiency management model, has no place in the dynamic 
 fluid process of birth, sadly it has become merged into the 'health' care 
 system with this sort of unconscious abuse becoming more common.
 
 'Discussions' with the doctors at that stage will do nothing except breed 
 resistence and further intervention; in mindless individuals it can even 
 result in payback situations where intervention will be done just because 
 you are the midwife. The right to rule is still endemic in the maternity 
 services.
 
 the first thing to understand is that these people really believe they 
 are doing the right thing.
 the second thing to understand is that they are taught all about the 
 abnormalities of birth, they have absolutely no idea about normal 
 physiology as applied to birth (gross generalisation, I know)
 the third thing is that they are terrified of birth
 the fourth thing is that they are taught throughout medical school that 
 they are the boss of everything and the government and health departments 
 agree and structure everything (I know, there are exceptions) to 
 reinforce that idea
 the fifth and probably MOST important thing is that they do get taught 
 about 'patient' autonomy and the need for consent.
 
 So, here is where it gets interesting and where our opportunity lies.
 
 It is vitally important that you use every moment with birthing women to 
 help them understand the situation, without making it combatative and 
 engendering a siege mentality and ask them what they want to have happen, 
 how they would like things to go, so they can say what they want - be 
 left alone, checked in another hour a few more hours, more time, a bath, 
 move freely, have the baby listened to by doppler in the shower/bath etc 
 if women have the information that can help them with the deeply damaging 
 throw away lines that get trotted out like 'stillbirth' 'brain damage' 
 etc, then women can say what they want and we as midwives can support 
 them in that and remember to DOCUMENT what women want.  To do things 
 against rational people's will is abuse. To argue about medical 
 intervention with midwives is a nuisance and an affront to power 

[ozmidwifery] Taylorism

2006-12-29 Thread Heartlogic
Hi Sally, thanks to you and the others for your kind words. We all ought to 
get together for coffee

(or Caro or Green Tea :-)

Perhaps the next homebirth conference??

Of course you can forward this and anything else I write to whoever you 
wish.


As for Taylorism, Frederick Winslow Taylor was the 'father' of scientific 
management, very centered on industrial 'efficiency' and his work was used 
in time and motion studies. Lenin loved his ideas and you can see what 
happened in the USSR as a result.


His ideas have found their way into many aspects of human life, including 
the birth place.


If you have the internet, you can google 'taylorism'  and you can read as 
much as you like about him and his work.


Happy New Year,

love, Carolyn




- Original Message - 
From: Sally @ home [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth?



Carolyn,
You are amazing...after being completely denigrated by the medicos and 
some of my colleagues for believing that women DO NOT need V'E's every 4 
hours to assess progress of labour, what you have written is a breath of 
fresh air, with your permission I would like to forward your previous 
email to my colleagues, to make those who practice obsteric nursing aware 
and to support those who truly work with women.


Have you got some info on Taylorism, I would like saome background on it. 
Thanks heaps.


regards

Sally
- Original Message - 
From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth?


WOW!!!   Thank you thank you thank you.  Carolyn, that was just 
what I needed.  Are you going to the homebirth conference this year?   If 
so, I would dearly love to catch up with you  everyone else who 
contributes to the ozmidwifery site.  maybe we can wear a flower or 
something so we recognise each other.


Much love and admiration,  Gail 



From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth?
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:24:40 +1100

Dear Gail,

Firstly, your instincts are spot on.

This is a very distressing story.  It is not a coincidence that these 
women's labours stalled following his VE's, that is absolutely to be 
expected and is the result of a mindless disruption of the women's 
optimal state of neurophyiological functioning. Taylorism, that is an 
industrial, efficiency management model, has no place in the dynamic 
fluid process of birth, sadly it has become merged into the 'health' care 
system with this sort of unconscious abuse becoming more common.


'Discussions' with the doctors at that stage will do nothing except breed 
resistence and further intervention; in mindless individuals it can even 
result in payback situations where intervention will be done just because 
you are the midwife. The right to rule is still endemic in the maternity 
services.


the first thing to understand is that these people really believe they 
are doing the right thing.
the second thing to understand is that they are taught all about the 
abnormalities of birth, they have absolutely no idea about normal 
physiology as applied to birth (gross generalisation, I know)

the third thing is that they are terrified of birth
the fourth thing is that they are taught throughout medical school that 
they are the boss of everything and the government and health departments 
agree and structure everything (I know, there are exceptions) to 
reinforce that idea
the fifth and probably MOST important thing is that they do get taught 
about 'patient' autonomy and the need for consent.


So, here is where it gets interesting and where our opportunity lies.

It is vitally important that you use every moment with birthing women to 
help them understand the situation, without making it combatative and 
engendering a siege mentality and ask them what they want to have happen, 
how they would like things to go, so they can say what they want - be 
left alone, checked in another hour a few more hours, more time, a bath, 
move freely, have the baby listened to by doppler in the shower/bath etc 
if women have the information that can help them with the deeply damaging 
throw away lines that get trotted out like 'stillbirth' 'brain damage' 
etc, then women can say what they want and we as midwives can support 
them in that and remember to DOCUMENT what women want.  To do things 
against rational people's will is abuse. To argue about medical 
intervention with midwives is a nuisance and an affront to power beliefs.


Getting strategic is important. Learning tactical support of birthing 
women is a midwifery art form and a very challenging one.  It is crucial 
that you avoid blame, judgement and criticism as these emotional states 
are