Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasounds
I can't believe that woman go along with this. It just shows how intimidated they are or socialised because if I new that was going to be expected I wouldn't go. Andrea Quanchi On Sunday, September 15, 2002, at 08:40 PM, Smith, Anne wrote: Dear all, I know of a few obstetricians who routinely do vaginal ultrasounds on women at their 6 week postnatal check up routinely to check to see if there was anything left in the uterus even though they have had an uneventful post natal period. Does this occur anywhere else? I think this is a violation of womens rights and abuse. I actually feel sick and women do not question this practice. What does everyone think? Fiona Dunmore NOTICE: CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message and any accompanying files may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received the e-mail in error, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, forwarding, printing or copying of the message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error please immediately advise the sender by return e-mail, or telephone, listed below. You must destroy the original transmission and its contents. Any views expressed within this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ramsay Health Care. This communication should not be copied or disseminated without permission. "Mildura Base Hospital" a member of Ramsay Health Care Telephone: 61 3 5022 Facsimile: 61 3 5022 3234
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
Unfortunately many women have come to expect a peek at every visit. I remember a woman at an antenatal session who queried what she was paying the money to her ob for when all he did was aske her how she was, and measured her belly with a tape I told her she didn't know how lucky she was!!! - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds I suppose it depends on why he is doing an US in the first place? I've never understood the mentality of "taking a peek' at every appointment. Doing the US vaginally rather than abdominally just means you don't need to bother with a full bladder I expect. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
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Mary this ob can't be very booked out if he can see womenas early as12 weeks! WHat a worry - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds They are routine where I work too... the obs use them to get more accurate dating. Eventhough most women know pretty much exactly the date of their LNMP... he still does it, to make sure. Ack. Jo - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
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I wonder what the hooha would be like if they invented an anal ultrasound to detect prostate enlargement - somehow I don't think many men would consent to its use - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds Once again thanks for the info re Vag Ultrasounds. I have a gut feeling that this is a dangerous procedure for the foetus as it gets so close to it and is not even " filtered" throught the abdominal fat and muscle. It is also a gross invasion of a woman's body. I wonder if the operator "gets off" on it? I also wonder about all the guff that goes on about how accurate ultrasound dating is at any period of pregnancy. I would like all u/s providers to have to keep and punlish accurate and up to date data on when the babies wered actually born in comparison to when u/s predicted they were due. MM
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Unfortunately, women are sent straight to the Obs by their G.P as soon as they are aware they are pregnant. Its like an assembly line. MM Mary this ob can't be very booked out if he can see womenas early as12 weeks! WHat a worry
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Dear List, Having had the situation of needing a vaginal U/S for gyno. problems I found Robyn Noble's description of this being like medical rape ringing in my ears!Anyone who does not think that this is an accurate term has not had the experience.Fortunately the results rule out fibroids, tumours,cancer and cysts.However the womb is 30% larger than it should be.So it is off to a gyno. next week.I asked the G.P. for a referral to a woman gyno.I may need a DC or hyster/ony.Ann --- Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doing the US vaginally rather than abdominally just means you don't need to bother with a full bladder I expect. I think we need to be careful about thinking this is a 'just' situation. Having something place in my vagina is an incredibly intimate and private act. There is nothing just about it.. If you would just take your pants off, I'll just put this in your vagina. I guess this is just a slip of the keyboard, but if we are not careful about the use of language and how that empowers and disempowers then who will. Huge power issues here. There is an incredible powerlessness if this became routine. I would rather have a full bladder than have a foreign object placed into my vagina by a doctor. Even if the doctor was someone I respected and trusted. I would still prefer not! Sorry I'm ranting. Sally Westbury __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hmmm - ultrasounds to confirm womens dates this early on - I thought that the 20wk ultrasound was supposed to do this. Surely 20wks notice is sufficient of an impending birth if the OB wants an accurate date? And this way the woman would only "have to have" one ultrasound in her pregnancy - maybe a pertinent argument as there seems to be some (questionable) link between autism and frequent ultrasounds. I wonder if they would change their minds if this link was proven or if someone just tried to sue on the suspected risk anyway. After all they are all scared of being sued for cerebal palsy caused by birth injury even though the evidence these days is that this condition is more likely a defect in formation than a problem caused by birth. Debby Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
Hmmm - ultrasounds to confirm womens dates this early on - I thought that the 20wk ultrasound was supposed to do this. Surely 20wks notice is sufficient of an impending birth if the OB wants an accurate date? And this way the woman would only "have to have" one ultrasound in her pregnancy - maybe a pertinent argument as there seems to be some (questionable) link between autism and frequent ultrasounds. I wonder if they would change their minds if this link was proven or if someone just tried to sue on the suspected risk anyway. After all they are all scared of being sued for cerebal palsy caused by birth injury even though the evidence these days is that this condition is more likely a defect in formation than a problem caused by birth. Debby Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Debby: It is my understanding that only u/s in the first trimester is accurate enough to give reliable dates with u/s (I only repeated that becauseI firmly believe that the woman is the most reliable source however sometimes the mum doesn't know: irregular menses or lactation ammenohrea (sp) and (amazingly) frequent intercourse and so, if dates are going to be an issue (postdate protocols) then a first trimester u/s may be justified. I think the 20 week u/s may be the one that is deleted because if the mum is interested in nuchal fold thickness then (I think) the optimal time is either 11 weeks or 14 weeks (I can't remember which one, but there is an article in the BIRTH journal on this 2000 or 2001) definetly not 20 weeks. So, if this nuchal fold thickness measurement is important for clients regarding continuation of the pregnancy, then I guess a first trimester vaginal u/s is required. I shuddered when I saw my first vaginal probe. I guess there is no way to make them differently (they just are very phallic)which is why great sensitivity must be employed by caregivers using them. The 20 weeks u/s has been used for scanning fetal anatomy for anomalies but is not reliable for dating. I peronally don't advise any of this without a medical concern, but, women need to be aware of all available services and so we do discuss these options too. marilyn - Original Message - From: Debby M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds Hmmm - ultrasounds to confirm womens dates this early on - I thought that the 20wk ultrasound was supposed to do this. Surely 20wks notice is sufficient of an impending birth if the OB wants an accurate date? And this way the woman would only "have to have" one ultrasound in her pregnancy - maybe a pertinent argument as there seems to be some (questionable) link between autism and frequent ultrasounds. I wonder if they would change their minds if this link was proven or if someone just tried to sue on the suspected risk anyway. After all they are all scared of being sued for cerebal palsy caused by birth injury even though the evidence these days is that this condition is more likely a defect in formation than a problem caused by birth. Debby Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Once again thanks for the info re Vag Ultrasounds. I have a gut feeling that this is a dangerous procedure for the foetus as it gets so close to it and is not even " filtered" throught the abdominal fat and muscle. It is also a gross invasion of a woman's body. I wonder if the operator "gets off" on it? I also wonder about all the guff that goes on about how accurate ultrasound dating is at any period of pregnancy. I would like all u/s providers to have to keep and punlish accurate and up to date data on when the babies wered actually born in comparison to when u/s predicted they were due. MM
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That's a great idea and one which would certainly validate the "need" for this early invasive procedure. Another U/S practice which has been creeping in over this side of the continent (and please share if it is happening in your neck of the woods) is the abdo U/S at each antenatal visit from around 38 weeks. Why you ask? Well so did I. And the answer that I'm being givenis for the Dr to check the position of the baby. Now pardon my cynicism but that's what I thought an abdominal palpation was all about Cheers Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds Once again thanks for the info re Vag Ultrasounds. I have a gut feeling that this is a dangerous procedure for the foetus as it gets so close to it and is not even " filtered" throught the abdominal fat and muscle. It is also a gross invasion of a woman's body. I wonder if the operator "gets off" on it? I also wonder about all the guff that goes on about how accurate ultrasound dating is at any period of pregnancy. I would like all u/s providers to have to keep and punlish accurate and up to date data on when the babies wered actually born in comparison to when u/s predicted they were due. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds and dating
Hi Jo, I agree that professionals (often docs) don't listen to mothers enough about dates of conception, instead relying on u/s dates. And this is the beginning of negating the mother's experience and knowledge of her pregancy as far as I'm concerned. Where I work an LMP date almost seems superfluous to the docs. However, I always feel like my job is easier when mothers are certain about their LMP dates and when they had intercourse. Just a reminder though that the date of intercourse in not necessarily the date of conception. Remember sperm can live up to seven days in the reproductive tract so there is still window of seven days where conception could occur. That said, if a mother is certain of dates that is what I use for dating pregnancy over u/s. Just had to get in my .02 cents worth of biological info... Meaghan Moon Manitoba, Canada At 11:57 AM 9/8/02 +0930, you wrote: With my last child the doctor whom I was seeing to get into the bc for a vbac (yeah right!) asked me when my LNMP was and I was able to tell him the date we conceived. He questioned that and said I think you are a couple of weeks out there. Now my hubby had gone to Sydney for a few weeks and we only has sex once before he left and due the limited opportunity allowed by our other children, the time before was a long and distant memory(imposed celibacy or sibling contraception don't you love it! I am sure it is just a survival technique to ensure no more rivals!) ANYWAY..this doctor would not take the fact that I knew when I conceived so I ended up asking him if he was hiding under the bed when Dean and I had sex? He went red and promptly went on to tell me that I didn't look good on paper to be in the birth centre WHAT IS IT WITH PROFESSIONALS NOT ACCEPTING THAT SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE WRONG? on the topic of Vag US, there is a private OB here who has an astronomical cs rate and surprise surprise she gives vag US every visit... Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Justine Caines To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]OzMid List Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds They are routine where I work too... the obs use them to get more accurate dating. Eventhough most women know pretty much exactly the date of their LNMP... he still does it, to make sure. Ack. Jo Hi Jo and all Another furphy I suggest, as a vaginal US would be able to estimate the size of the foetus better I assume but still only place it against the averages of gestational sizes that US is based on, hence the +/- 2 weeks stuff. The routine totally unnecessary use of US is the catalyst to the induction craze. Women must be told their due date, hang knowing their own body, just throw it into the computer of averages!! As a consumer I get so sick of women needing to be told everything, totally discounting their role as the maker and birther of a baby!! At the same time I m branded as a lunatic for taking responsibility of my body and baby. Funny thing is that after this total abdication of responsibility in pregnancy and birth women are meant to fit back into society as normal citizens taking responsibility for themselves and baby (is this why we have so many post natal problems, women are lulled into a false sense of security and then on Day 6 postnatally whammo!). The notion of personal responsibility totally consistent with health policy for the last 10 years, but policy makers and governments refuse to hold obstetrics to account. I sincerely hope we are at the edge with the current PI crisis and NMAP helping to transform maternity services in this country. A little rattled this morning Justine Mum and responsible for Ruby nearly 3, Clancy 18 months and Will 2 months -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Marilyn and everyone, Ref the dating. I checked with my other half who is a sonographer and he agreed that US up to 20wks is accurate for dating. He indicated that US at 20wks was usually +/- 3 days, earlier than this itwas +/- 5-7days and later than this could vary considerably - especially in 3rd trimester (hence the reason US is not a good predictor of fetal weight and birth size - another scare tactic often used to encourage early induction or csec). The problem with anatomical ultrasound of the fetus much before 18wks is that fetal measurements are too small to diagnose some major deformities - particularly of the heart and other organs - hence the recommendation for the US at this stage. However I personally would question how many women actually have terminations at this stage even if they are told bubs condition is fatal. You are quite right about nucal fold it is only relevant if done between 11 and 14 wks, but like all US is only an indicator of a risk not a definative diagnosis.He also indicated that a competent sonographer can get an accurate nuchal fold measurement abdominally in over 90% of clients, it is rare for them to have to do vaginal US - does this raise doubts about the sonography competence of some of the OBs doing this procedure? Maybe they should leave it to those who do years of training in it - the sonographers and radiologists - but then their own pockets wouldn't be lined (cynical I know). But of course all these "facts" still don't seem to justify the argument for routine early first trimester vaginal ultrasounds - so we really still don't have a justifiable answer - except the power thing. Debby Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Just goes to show how quickly the research changes. I just graduated and we were taught never to rely on any u/sother than a first trimester u/s for dating (and that only if the mom had no idea of dates as referred to previously). The research just 6 months ago was saying +/- 2weeks at 18 - 20 weeks and +/- 1 week at 11-13 weeks. This was not because of the accuracy of the u/s but the then understood "fact" that in the first trimester there is little individual variation in size for most gestations that is most 8 weeks pregnancies will have the same size sac, embryo etc. and so individual variation will have little or a small effect if any on size. So a relialable estimation of dates can be made based on size. However, from the first trimester individual variation takes over and not all 20 week fetuses will be the same size and so while the u/s sound measurement may be accurate to 1 week or even +/- 3 days, the variation in size due to genetics must also be taken into account. Please correct me if there is research to indicate that individual growth variations occur later in pregnancy than the 2nd trimester. This is why we were taught not to rely on later u/s (post 1st trimester)for dates if u/s was the dating method. Obviously this is a field that is changing very quickly. I agree that abdominal u/s for nuchal fold thickness should be the method of choice and vaginal u/s only used if resolution cannot be obtained, a decision the sonographer is qualified to make. Again continuity of care and time in prenatals to discuss options with women is vital, reliance on technology really brings the issue of informed choice into focus. marilyn - Original Message - From: Debby M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds Hi Marilyn and everyone, Ref the dating. I checked with my other half who is a sonographer and he agreed that US up to 20wks is accurate for dating. He indicated that US at 20wks was usually +/- 3 days, earlier than this itwas +/- 5-7days and later than this could vary considerably - especially in 3rd trimester (hence the reason US is not a good predictor of fetal weight and birth size - another scare tactic often used to encourage early induction or csec). The problem with anatomical ultrasound of the fetus much before 18wks is that fetal measurements are too small to diagnose some major deformities - particularly of the heart and other organs - hence the recommendation for the US at this stage. However I personally would question how many women actually have terminations at this stage even if they are told bubs condition is fatal. You are quite right about nucal fold it is only relevant if done between 11 and 14 wks, but like all US is only an indicator of a risk not a definative diagnosis.He also indicated that a competent sonographer can get an accurate nuchal fold measurement abdominally in over 90% of clients, it is rare for them to have to do vaginal US - does this raise doubts about the sonography competence of some of the OBs doing this procedure? Maybe they should leave it to those who do years of training in it - the sonographers and radiologists - but then their own pockets wouldn't be lined (cynical I know). But of course all these "facts" still don't seem to justify the argument for routine early first trimester vaginal ultrasounds - so we really still don't have a justifiable answer - except the power thing. Debby Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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The most common reason I have found for early u/s is infertility. I had a couple of clients in the Seattle who were undergoing fertility treatment and they had weekly u/s plus serial HCG titres done by the fertility clinic routinely. These were IVF clients I seem to recall. Both of these ladies transferred care to our midwifery clinic once their pregnancy was established. For one of these women the u/s had become very reassuring so when at 10 weeks we were unable to detect a heartbeat with a doppler (also u/s , I know) she requested being sent back to the clinic for a vaginal u/s despite our advice, all was ok and she went on to have a lovely birth. So, maybe this OB is a fertility specialist? The only other reasons I know of for doing a Vaginal u/s would be suspicion of an ectopic pregnancy and to accurately date the pregnancy for an abortion. marilyn - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
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Thank you for your replies. I actually think we have none of those very valid reasons. It makes me want to ring him up and object, or put a sign up outside his offices, but I know it wouldn't be a good strategy, even for me. MM - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds The most common reason I have found for early u/s is infertility. I had a couple of clients in the Seattle who were undergoing fertility treatment and they had weekly u/s plus serial HCG titres done by the fertility clinic routinely. These were IVF clients I seem to recall. Both of these ladies transferred care to our midwifery clinic once their pregnancy was established. For one of these women the u/s had become very reassuring so when at 10 weeks we were unable to detect a heartbeat with a doppler (also u/s , I know) she requested being sent back to the clinic for a vaginal u/s despite our advice, all was ok and she went on to have a lovely birth. So, maybe this OB is a fertility specialist? The only other reasons I know of for doing a Vaginal u/s would be suspicion of an ectopic pregnancy and to accurately date the pregnancy for an abortion. marilyn - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
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Doing the US vaginally rather than abdominally just means you don't need to bother with a full bladder I expect. I think we need to be careful about thinking this is a just situation. Having something place in my vagina is an incredibly intimate and private act. There is nothing just about it.. If you would just take your pants off, Ill just put this in your vagina. I guess this is just a slip of the keyboard, but if we are not careful about the use of language and how that empowers and disempowers then who will. Huge power issues here. There is an incredible powerlessness if this became routine. I would rather have a full bladder than have a foreign object placed into my vagina by a doctor. Even if the doctor was someone I respected and trusted. I would still prefer not! Sorry Im ranting. Sally Westbury
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I feel as you do Sally. Was in the situation many years ago when I went for USS for a gynae problem and finished up with a totally unexpected vaginal USS. Felt violated. This was in a private radiology practice. Next time I was ready, it was in a public hospital and I was more prepared. Well handled by the staff. The male sonographer went out of the room and the RN gave me the probe so I could insert it myself under the covers. He then came back and reached under the covers to be able to direct it as necessary. A much less traumatic experience where I felt my dignity was more respected. Judy From: "Sally Westbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:32:04 +0800 "Doing the US vaginally rather than abdominally just means you don't need to bother with a full bladder I expect." I think we need to be careful about thinking this is a 'just' situation. Having something place in my vagina is an incredibly intimate and private act. There is nothing just about it.. If you would just take your pants off, I'll just put this in your vagina. I guess this is just a slip of the keyboard, but if we are not careful about the use of language and how that empowers and disempowers then who will. Huge power issues here. There is an incredible powerlessness if this became routine. I would rather have a full bladder than have a foreign object placed into my vagina by a doctor. Even if the doctor was someone I respected and trusted. I would still prefer not! Sorry I'm ranting. Sally Westbury Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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This is probably a bit of an agressive attitude - but if there is no clinical justification for his practice, such as those suggested by the other ladies (IVF confirmations, suspected ectopic, etc) then isn't this tantamount to a form of sexual abuse - disguised but surely any procedure that is that "intimate" that is done without justifiable medical reason just can't be right. I have only ever had one vaginal ultrasound in my life and that was for suspected ectopic and in that case it was done on OB referral to a qualified sonographer who first did an abdominal to see what she could view that way. Even abdominally at 5wks gestation she was able to eliminate ectopic but did suspect a placental bleed. She asked my permission to do the TV and explained why (the abdominal picture for such a small gestation is not clear) and I gave her permission - fortuneately it was just a small implantion bleed next to the gestation site and I am about to give birth to the baby any day - but this protocol seems much more professional than that which the OB in Perth seems to be doing. If there is suspicion of suspected covert sexual abuse his actions should be reported to the AMA and the police. DebbyMSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Vaginal ultrasounds give a clearer picture, but why ultrasound everyone? Look at what he is charging for this service. I once worked with a GP who was off on a O/S holiday. He did an awful lot of CTG's in the weeks leading up to departure. We discovered that he was charging for us doing the CTG's [at a public hospital] and then charging to 'read' them. Seeing as how they never left the unit, we would ring him to say they were ok, [all were] we figured he was making spending money. We soon dobbed him in.Maureen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:47 AMTo: listSubject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
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They are routine where I work too... the obs use them to get more accurate dating. Eventhough most women know pretty much exactly the date of their LNMP... he still does it, to make sure. Ack. Jo - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
[ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
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Mary I have noticed that the u/s person who has been and remains the person I refer women to is doingmore and more vaginal u/s when there is a problem ie not a goodveiw etc but always after asking the woman who often declines. But as a routine sounds very unusal practise.jan - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
