RE: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar
Weight gain is good. Baby is settled between feeds and has no signs of discomfort when awake. Plenty wet nappies. Dr wanted to start coloxyl drops today (10 drops per feed) he has agreed to hold off until tomorrow. I have shown mum and other staff members leg exercises and abdo massage. I have asked then to do the exercise and massage prior to each feed. Hopefully this will give us the desired result before we have to give the poor thing coloxyl. Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:47 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar Hi, I'd like to have a good look at the situation before doing anything. It's a bit tricky seeing that the baby was born at 28 weeks, and is now 36 weeks. So it's 8 weeks old. I feel that it is more normal for a young fully breastfed baby to have a number of stools per day - at least one. Around 8 weeks or older this could change to one every couple of days or week or more. But, what have the baby's weight gains been like? A cause of lack of stools in a young baby can be not enough milk. I'd like to rule this out before anything else. What are the stools like when the baby does go? What is the baby's behaviour. Is it very irritable and unsettled? How many feeds does it take per day? Is it abnormally settled It's a cultural belief that a sleepy baby is a good baby. Have you seen the Australian Breastfeeding Association's *poo chart*? A fabulous resource. $15 for 100 tear off sheets showing normal baby poos and excellent confidence building tips on breastfeeding You can purchase through the Lactation Resource Centre. They also have an excellent Hot Topic paper on bowel habits in babies. Might be worth having a read. I couldn't find it on the website, but the phone number for the LRC is (03) 55658 602 Barb - Original Message - From: Jennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar The Fairbairn Family wrote: more than a week without a bowel movement is not unusual = fully breastfed - but if concerned about constipation - a small amount of orange juice (natural) would prove the point.. - Original Message - *From:* Alan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Ozmidwifery mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2006 5:00 PM *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] brown sugar Can anyone point me to some research re brown sugar use for constipation? I have just started work at a small country hospital. A baby, after being born at 28 weeks has been returned to us. (now 36 weeks). This baby has not had a bowel motion for 7 days. After 3 days the doctor ordered ¼ tsp of brown sugar every second feed. This baby is being fed by EBM only. I told the doctor that it is not unusual for babies who are on breast milk often go for a week without passing a stool and was told that is rubbish. They should go every couple of days. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/296 - Release Date: 29/03/2006 This is interesting as I have seen a woman baby just this week at home - fully formula fed at Day 3 when I first saw them (on paed's advice, for no apparent reason, but then also had a IOL at 38+2 because her obstetrician 'offered it', citing the story of his niece whose baby died in utero at 40+2), not interested in breast feeding (the mum of course), so of course by day 5 the babe had not had a bowel movement since mec at birth mum had decided to chuck in a 1/4 teaspoon of brown sugar with each feed. I too would like some references or at least some advice from an LC re what info to offer these mums! For what its worth, on the fully breast fed bowel timing thread, my oldest daughter went for about 4 months with a weekly poo (yep, Fridays were 'be ready to catch the immense amount of shit' day). Constantly amazed me where it all came from. Fully breast fed, by the end of that time she literally looked like Michelin Girl - more chins than a chinese phone book, as they say. cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Womens Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored
Re: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar
Jane Wines wrote: Just stroke the babys anus with a thermometer do not go into the anus for a few minutes then watch out for the production. Only used for maternal anxiety for lack of stool but better than adding foreign substances into babies gut. Its like cats licking their kittens bum but I dont think that Mums would appreciate being told to lick it!! Jane Agree with Jane, look to the outside of the babe's body rather than disturbing the flora balance in the gut. Put some nice oil on your hands and do a gentle clock-wise massage of the belly (with the umbilicus being the middle of the clock, Then, do the anal stim. Using a clean facecloth warmed with water makes an even better cat's tongue. Gloria
Re: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar
I told the doctor that it is not unusual for babies who are on breast milk often go for a week without passing a stool and was told that is rubbish. They should go every couple of days. Then his experience in babies fed fully on breastmilk is pretty limited! Even though this baby was premature, its system at 5 weeks is now able to take everything from teh milk that there is little left to get rid of. As others have mentioned, it is more important to see if there are other indications of a problem - weight gain, how content the baby is etc. Also, how does the mum feel about this? Is she concerned or does she feel the baby simply does not need to poo more often? How does she feel about giving sugar? Nikki Macfarlane -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] brown sugar
Can anyone point me to some research re brown sugar use for constipation? I have just started work at a small country hospital. A baby, after being born at 28 weeks has been returned to us. (now 36 weeks). This baby has not had a bowel motion for 7 days. After 3 days the doctor ordered ¼ tsp of brown sugar every second feed. This baby is being fed by EBM only. I told the doctor that it is not unusual for babies who are on breast milk often go for a week without passing a stool and was told that is rubbish. They should go every couple of days.
Re: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar
more than a week without a bowel movement is not unusual = fully breastfed - but if concerned about constipation - a small amount of orange juice (natural) would prove the point.. - Original Message - From: Alan To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar Can anyone point me to some research re brown sugar use for constipation? I have just started work at a small country hospital. A baby, after being born at 28 weeks has been returned to us. (now 36 weeks). This baby has not had a bowel motion for 7 days. After 3 days the doctor ordered ¼ tsp of brown sugar every second feed. This baby is being fed by EBM only. I told the doctor that it is not unusual for babies who are on breast milk often go for a week without passing a stool and was told that is rubbish. They should go every couple of days.
Re: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar
The Fairbairn Family wrote: more than a week without a bowel movement is not unusual = fully breastfed - but if concerned about constipation - a small amount of orange juice (natural) would prove the point.. - Original Message - *From:* Alan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Ozmidwifery mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2006 5:00 PM *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] brown sugar Can anyone point me to some research re brown sugar use for constipation? I have just started work at a small country hospital. A baby, after being born at 28 weeks has been returned to us. (now 36 weeks). This baby has not had a bowel motion for 7 days. After 3 days the doctor ordered ¼ tsp of brown sugar every second feed. This baby is being fed by EBM only. I told the doctor that it is not unusual for babies who are on breast milk often go for a week without passing a stool and was told “that is rubbish. They should go every couple of days”. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/296 - Release Date: 29/03/2006 This is interesting as I have seen a woman baby just this week at home - fully formula fed at Day 3 when I first saw them (on paed's advice, for no apparent reason, but then also had a IOL at 38+2 because her obstetrician 'offered it', citing the story of his niece whose baby died in utero at 40+2), not interested in breast feeding (the mum of course), so of course by day 5 the babe had not had a bowel movement since mec at birth mum had decided to chuck in a 1/4 teaspoon of brown sugar with each feed. I too would like some references or at least some advice from an LC re what info to offer these mums! For what its worth, on the fully breast fed bowel timing thread, my oldest daughter went for about 4 months with a weekly poo (yep, Fridays were 'be ready to catch the immense amount of shit' day). Constantly amazed me where it all came from. Fully breast fed, by the end of that time she literally looked like Michelin Girl - more chins than a chinese phone book, as they say. cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women’s Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer – Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar
Hi Alan, Well, sometimes doctors don't know everything, particularly about 'normal' matters. You could find info about this in most breast feeding books. The best indication of constipation is what the stool looks like, rather than frequency of passing motions. If the stool is soft, no problem. At least the doctor didn't order coloxyl, or something as harsh as that. Brown sugar is a common treatment, and works by drawing more fluid into the stool, but to be used only if really needed. I alsothink every second feed is quite excessive when it is used. And how long is this to be continued? Nicole Carver. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of AlanSent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:00 AMTo: OzmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar Can anyone point me to some research re brown sugar use for constipation? I have just started work at a small country hospital. A baby, after being born at 28 weeks has been returned to us. (now 36 weeks). This baby has not had a bowel motion for 7 days. After 3 days the doctor ordered ¼ tsp of brown sugar every second feed. This baby is being fed by EBM only. I told the doctor that it is not unusual for babies who are on breast milk often go for a week without passing a stool and was told that is rubbish. They should go every couple of days.
RE: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar
Just stroke the babys anus with a thermometer do not go into the anus for a few minutes then watch out for the production. Only used for maternal anxiety for lack of stool but better than adding foreign substances into babies gut. Its like cats licking their kittens bum but I dont think that Mums would appreciate being told to lick it!! Jane
Re: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar
Hi, I'd like to have a good look at the situation before doing anything. It's a bit tricky seeing that the baby was born at 28 weeks, and is now 36 weeks. So it's 8 weeks old. I feel that it is more normal for a young fully breastfed baby to have a number of stools per day - at least one. Around 8 weeks or older this could change to one every couple of days or week or more. But, what have the baby's weight gains been like? A cause of lack of stools in a young baby can be not enough milk. I'd like to rule this out before anything else. What are the stools like when the baby does go? What is the baby's behaviour. Is it very irritable and unsettled? How many feeds does it take per day? Is it abnormally settled It's a cultural belief that a sleepy baby is a good baby. Have you seen the Australian Breastfeeding Association's *poo chart*? A fabulous resource. $15 for 100 tear off sheets showing normal baby poos and excellent confidence building tips on breastfeeding You can purchase through the Lactation Resource Centre. They also have an excellent Hot Topic paper on bowel habits in babies. Might be worth having a read. I couldn't find it on the website, but the phone number for the LRC is (03) 55658 602 Barb - Original Message - From: Jennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] brown sugar The Fairbairn Family wrote: more than a week without a bowel movement is not unusual = fully breastfed - but if concerned about constipation - a small amount of orange juice (natural) would prove the point.. - Original Message - *From:* Alan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Ozmidwifery mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2006 5:00 PM *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] brown sugar Can anyone point me to some research re brown sugar use for constipation? I have just started work at a small country hospital. A baby, after being born at 28 weeks has been returned to us. (now 36 weeks). This baby has not had a bowel motion for 7 days. After 3 days the doctor ordered ¼ tsp of brown sugar every second feed. This baby is being fed by EBM only. I told the doctor that it is not unusual for babies who are on breast milk often go for a week without passing a stool and was told “that is rubbish. They should go every couple of days”. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/296 - Release Date: 29/03/2006 This is interesting as I have seen a woman baby just this week at home - fully formula fed at Day 3 when I first saw them (on paed's advice, for no apparent reason, but then also had a IOL at 38+2 because her obstetrician 'offered it', citing the story of his niece whose baby died in utero at 40+2), not interested in breast feeding (the mum of course), so of course by day 5 the babe had not had a bowel movement since mec at birth mum had decided to chuck in a 1/4 teaspoon of brown sugar with each feed. I too would like some references or at least some advice from an LC re what info to offer these mums! For what its worth, on the fully breast fed bowel timing thread, my oldest daughter went for about 4 months with a weekly poo (yep, Fridays were 'be ready to catch the immense amount of shit' day). Constantly amazed me where it all came from. Fully breast fed, by the end of that time she literally looked like Michelin Girl - more chins than a chinese phone book, as they say. cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women’s Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer – Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
