Re: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required)
Be my guest! I like quotes as you may have
noticed
Bullying is right - it is very hard to stand up
against it. Sally Westbury said something interesting at a recent ACMI meeting -
if you see a colleague being bullied, just go and stand next to them, don't buy
into the arguement, just stand by your colleaugue. Am waiting for the
chance to do this - trouble is they often bully when you are alone or looking
after your labouring woman - doesn't give you much chance to speak up. I find
they tend to make a crass statement then flounce off leaving you unable to
follow!
Sue
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing"Edmund Burke
- Original Message -
From:
Synnes
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:57
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] opposition
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What a brilliant quote we can take from you Sue!!
"At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy". I'm amazed at
how much bullying occurs and how much is gotten away with even
now!
Amanda
- Original Message -
From:
Susan
Cudlipp
To: midwifery list
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:53
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was
'info required")
One
of my favorite quotes is Gandhi
First
the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you
win.
Similar
to a quote I read on JB
"All
truth goes through 3 stages: Firstly it is ridiculed, second it is violently
opposed, thirdly it is held to be self-evident"
Well
done for advocating for this woman Joy. We were discussing the National
competancy standards at work recently and I held that it is not possible to
uphold these in the truest sense whilst working within an obstetric model of
care. We cannot truly be women's advocates and work within hospital
blanket policies.
I
was attending a very nice normal birth recently with absolutely no adverse
factors and had discussed with the woman leaving the third stage to happen
naturally unless otherwise indicated. All was well untill Ob comes in
uninvited, unrequested, sees synto drawn up but not given, babe in mum's
arms placenta already pushed out by mum (next contraction post baby) and in
kidney dish, still attached to baby.
Ob
goes ballistic and insists on synto being given,saying "there are no
medals for haemorrhaging" even though the blood loss was minimal and well
within norm, and placenta already out. (so what exactly do we give
synto for again)
My
point being that within the obstetric model- the 'boys' hold the power, the
management backs them up. At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing
policy. I tried to discuss with my cnm the fact that I was responsible
for giving a drug that was not necessary, so if the woman had an adverse
reaction and we were sued, I would be wrong for giving the drug that was not
medically indicated. Was just told that I am covered under hosp policy and
have to work within them - this does not fit with what I hear about court
procedings.
Sorry
this is a bit rambling - but wanted to add my support to you Joy for holding
up under pressure and I agree that perhaps YOU should instigate a meeting to
discuss this.
Sue
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of
evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke
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Re: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required)
What a brilliant quote we can take from you Sue!! "At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy". I'm amazed at how much bullying occurs and how much is gotten away with even now! Amanda - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required") One of my favorite quotes is Gandhi First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you win. Similar to a quote I read on JB "All truth goes through 3 stages: Firstly it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, thirdly it is held to be self-evident" Well done for advocating for this woman Joy. We were discussing the National competancy standards at work recently and I held that it is not possible to uphold these in the truest sense whilst working within an obstetric model of care. We cannot truly be women's advocates and work within hospital blanket policies. I was attending a very nice normal birth recently with absolutely no adverse factors and had discussed with the woman leaving the third stage to happen naturally unless otherwise indicated. All was well untill Ob comes in uninvited, unrequested, sees synto drawn up but not given, babe in mum's arms placenta already pushed out by mum (next contraction post baby) and in kidney dish, still attached to baby. Ob goes ballistic and insists on synto being given,saying "there are no medals for haemorrhaging" even though the blood loss was minimal and well within norm, and placenta already out. (so what exactly do we give synto for again) My point being that within the obstetric model- the 'boys' hold the power, the management backs them up. At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy. I tried to discuss with my cnm the fact that I was responsible for giving a drug that was not necessary, so if the woman had an adverse reaction and we were sued, I would be wrong for giving the drug that was not medically indicated. Was just told that I am covered under hosp policy and have to work within them - this does not fit with what I hear about court procedings. Sorry this is a bit rambling - but wanted to add my support to you Joy for holding up under pressure and I agree that perhaps YOU should instigate a meeting to discuss this. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required)
and Sue, thanks for your support too. Your story is unbelievable too - one wonders where they are coming from. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 13:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required") One of my favorite quotes is Gandhi First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you win. Similar to a quote I read on JB "All truth goes through 3 stages: Firstly it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, thirdly it is held to be self-evident" Well done for advocating for this woman Joy. We were discussing the National competancy standards at work recently and I held that it is not possible to uphold these in the truest sense whilst working within an obstetric model of care. We cannot truly be women's advocates and work within hospital blanket policies. I was attending a very nice normal birth recently with absolutely no adverse factors and had discussed with the woman leaving the third stage to happen naturally unless otherwise indicated. All was well untill Ob comes in uninvited, unrequested, sees synto drawn up but not given, babe in mum's arms placenta already pushed out by mum (next contraction post baby) and in kidney dish, still attached to baby. Ob goes ballistic and insists on synto being given,saying "there are no medals for haemorrhaging" even though the blood loss was minimal and well within norm, and placenta already out. (so what exactly do we give synto for again) My point being that within the obstetric model- the 'boys' hold the power, the management backs them up. At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy. I tried to discuss with my cnm the fact that I was responsible for giving a drug that was not necessary, so if the woman had an adverse reaction and we were sued, I would be wrong for giving the drug that was not medically indicated. Was just told that I am covered under hosp policy and have to work within them - this does not fit with what I hear about court procedings. Sorry this is a bit rambling - but wanted to add my support to you Joy for holding up under pressure and I agree that perhaps YOU should instigate a meeting to discuss this. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke
[ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required)
One of my favorite quotes is Gandhi First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you win. Similar to a quote I read on JB "All truth goes through 3 stages: Firstly it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, thirdly it is held to be self-evident" Well done for advocating for this woman Joy. We were discussing the National competancy standards at work recently and I held that it is not possible to uphold these in the truest sense whilst working within an obstetric model of care. We cannot truly be women's advocates and work within hospital blanket policies. I was attending a very nice normal birth recently with absolutely no adverse factors and had discussed with the woman leaving the third stage to happen naturally unless otherwise indicated. All was well untill Ob comes in uninvited, unrequested, sees synto drawn up but not given, babe in mum's arms placenta already pushed out by mum (next contraction post baby) and in kidney dish, still attached to baby. Ob goes ballistic and insists on synto being given,saying "there are no medals for haemorrhaging" even though the blood loss was minimal and well within norm, and placenta already out. (so what exactly do we give synto for again) My point being that within the obstetric model- the 'boys' hold the power, the management backs them up. At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy. I tried to discuss with my cnm the fact that I was responsible for giving a drug that was not necessary, so if the woman had an adverse reaction and we were sued, I would be wrong for giving the drug that was not medically indicated. Was just told that I am covered under hosp policy and have to work within them - this does not fit with what I hear about court procedings. Sorry this is a bit rambling - but wanted to add my support to you Joy for holding up under pressure and I agree that perhaps YOU should instigate a meeting to discuss this. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke
