Re: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing
-- A few of us in Perth have been accepted as associate members of Birth Companions in the Uk, they work specifically with pregnant and labouring women prisoners, have a fantastic system set up, that enables all women to have a doula if they so choose. We are hoping to approach the women’s prison here, see if they could make use of our voluntary service. Hopefully be able to provide childbirth education and breastfeeding support too, Well, thats the plan!! Regards Lisaessage - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Hi Amy, The women who birth at our hospital from the local minimum security prison are not guarded. They are visited once a day, and have to sign a form. Some of them love being in hospital, because it is a more normal environment for their children to visit. Some will try to stay longer for this reason. I find the whole thing heartbreaking. They can keep children with them up until age four. They are usually housed with other women who have children in the prison. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of adamnamySent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:22 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Do any of you midwives out there know how birth happens for pregnant women in Australian prisons? Are they transferred to hospital or are they required to stay in the prison health service. I have been reading an Amnesty report of the abuses of pregnant and laboring women in the US (it is available through Sheila Kitzinger’s website for anyone who is interested). I am keen to know what similarities exist for Australian women. I thought fetal monitoring and a drip was bad enough-try giving birth being chained to a bed-not knowing how long you can cuddle your baby for before she is removed! That breaks my heart. Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of EmilySent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] yoga video hi everyone funny photo attached that shows what happens if your baby doesnt get enough food ! i found this while looking for photos for an infant nutrition seminar im doing for uni next week. does anyone still have that short movie of the yoga mum where the baby crawls up and has a feed while shes upside down?? id love to include that :) if anyone has it they can send it direct to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks emily Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 2/7/2006 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 7/02/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing
Dear Amy, I looked after a woman that wasa prisoner postnatally and she was dropped off in labour by prison officers (obviously low risk,) as they did not stay butvisited her everyday, however, the mother signed herself out to goback to prison as she gave birth in the middle of January and in the old RWH hospital postnatal ward did not have air conditioning and she had to share a ward with 3 other women. She said that she had her own room, it was air conditioned and they had better food! The prison had facilities that women could keep their babies with them. RegardsAnne ClarkeQueensland - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Do any of you midwives out there know how birth happens for pregnant women in Australian prisons? Are they transferred to hospital or are they required to stay in the prison health service. I have been reading an Amnesty report of the abuses of pregnant and laboring women in the US (it is available through Sheila Kitzinger’s website for anyone who is interested). I am keen to know what similarities exist for Australian women. I thought fetal monitoring and a drip was bad enough-try giving birth being chained to a bed-not knowing how long you can cuddle your baby for before she is removed! That breaks my heart. Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of EmilySent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] yoga video hi everyone funny photo attached that shows what happens if your baby doesnt get enough food ! i found this while looking for photos for an infant nutrition seminar im doing for uni next week. does anyone still have that short movie of the yoga mum where the baby crawls up and has a feed while shes upside down?? id love to include that :) if anyone has it they can send it direct to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks emily Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006__ NOD32 1.1398 (20060207) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 2/7/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing
Thank you everyone for your replies-it seems there is quite a difference from prison to prison and probably state to state too. From what I read the US has mandatory shackles (even during labor and following epidural) regardless of prisoner status or crime. Some states even have mandatory fostering out of babies following birth. I know it is a bit tougher thereIm relieved to hear some of the stories posted about Australian women. Lisa, I am from Perth too, could you keep me posted about your progress with Bandyup prison. I am very interested in what happens there with you guys. Are you getting some guidance about how to get it up and running from the UK birth companions? Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Clarke Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Dear Amy, I looked after a woman that wasa prisoner postnatally and she was dropped off in labour by prison officers (obviously low risk,) as they did not stay butvisited her everyday, however, the mother signed herself out to goback to prison as she gave birth in the middle of January and in the old RWH hospital postnatal ward did not have air conditioning and she had to share a ward with 3 other women. She said that she had her own room, it was air conditioned and they had better food! The prison had facilities that women could keep their babies with them. Regards Anne Clarke Queensland - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Do any of you midwives out there know how birth happens for pregnant women in Australian prisons? Are they transferred to hospital or are they required to stay in the prison health service. I have been reading an Amnesty report of the abuses of pregnant and laboring women in the US (it is available through Sheila Kitzingers website for anyone who is interested). I am keen to know what similarities exist for Australian women. I thought fetal monitoring and a drip was bad enough-try giving birth being chained to a bed-not knowing how long you can cuddle your baby for before she is removed! That breaks my heart. Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emily Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] yoga video hi everyone funny photo attached that shows what happens if your baby doesnt get enough food ! i found this while looking for photos for an infant nutrition seminar im doing for uni next week. does anyone still have that short movie of the yoga mum where the baby crawls up and has a feed while shes upside down?? id love to include that :) if anyone has it they can send it direct to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks emily Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 __ NOD32 1.1398 (20060207) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 2/7/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 2/8/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 2/8/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing
We used to have the women from Mulawa gaol in Sydney come to us. I never work in the clinics so I am not sure about their antenatal care but they always came to us when in labour- or of antenatal problems. Depending on their offence ( which, naturally, was not divulged to us), they had one or two prison officers with them who remained outside the room. I never saw or heard of anyone chained to a bed. There were very occasionally women who were handcuffed because they had a history of absconding or because their offences and gaol history were so dire they were considered to be a physical threat to staff. In that case they were required to have a female prison officer within the room in order to assure the midwives' safety. I must emphasise that that was very rare- maybe two or three cases in the ten years I have been in this delivery suite. They had the same length of stay in hospital as anyone else (approx 3 days postpartum) then mother went back to prison and baby was cared for according to the arrangements sorted out before the birth, sometimes family members, sometimes foster care. Is this what you were after? Some time last year pregnant women were moved to another facility (? near Windsor) so we don't see them anymore. Monica - Original Message - From: adamnamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Do any of you midwives out there know how birth happens for pregnant women in Australian prisons? Are they transferred to hospital or are they required to stay in the prison health service. I have been reading an Amnesty report of the abuses of pregnant and laboring women in the US (it is available through Sheila Kitzinger’s website for anyone who is interested). I am keen to know what similarities exist for Australian women. I thought fetal monitoring and a drip was bad enough-try giving birth being chained to a bed-not knowing how long you can cuddle your baby for before she is removed! That breaks my heart. Amy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emily Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] yoga video hi everyone funny photo attached that shows what happens if your baby doesnt get enough food ! i found this while looking for photos for an infant nutrition seminar im doing for uni next week. does anyone still have that short movie of the yoga mum where the baby crawls up and has a feed while shes upside down?? id love to include that :) if anyone has it they can send it direct to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks emily _ Brings words and photos together (easily) with HYPERLINK http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/PMDEF3/*http:/photomail.mail.yahoo. comPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 2/7/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing
women who have come into my work have a guard standing outside the room and the woman chained to the bed. (I work in a large tertiary instiutuion).if they are in labour then the guard does not stay in the room otherwise it is the guards job to stay in the room with these women at all times. after the birth they are allowed minimal time with their child before the child is taken away and all rights relinquished depended upon what the woman was in for and if she is giving up her baby. regards - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Do any of you midwives out there know how birth happens for pregnant women in Australian prisons? Are they transferred to hospital or are they required to stay in the prison health service. I have been reading an Amnesty report of the abuses of pregnant and laboring women in the US (it is available through Sheila Kitzinger’s website for anyone who is interested). I am keen to know what similarities exist for Australian women. I thought fetal monitoring and a drip was bad enough-try giving birth being chained to a bed-not knowing how long you can cuddle your baby for before she is removed! That breaks my heart. Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of EmilySent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] yoga video hi everyone funny photo attached that shows what happens if your baby doesnt get enough food ! i found this while looking for photos for an infant nutrition seminar im doing for uni next week. does anyone still have that short movie of the yoga mum where the baby crawls up and has a feed while shes upside down?? id love to include that :) if anyone has it they can send it direct to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks emily Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 2/7/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing
Hi Amy, The women who birth at our hospital from the local minimum security prison are not guarded. They are visited once a day, and have to sign a form. Some of them love being in hospital, because it is a more normal environment for their children to visit. Some will try to stay longer for this reason. I find the whole thing heartbreaking. They can keep children with them up until age four. They are usually housed with other women who have children in the prison. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of adamnamySent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:22 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Do any of you midwives out there know how birth happens for pregnant women in Australian prisons? Are they transferred to hospital or are they required to stay in the prison health service. I have been reading an Amnesty report of the abuses of pregnant and laboring women in the US (it is available through Sheila Kitzinger’s website for anyone who is interested). I am keen to know what similarities exist for Australian women. I thought fetal monitoring and a drip was bad enough-try giving birth being chained to a bed-not knowing how long you can cuddle your baby for before she is removed! That breaks my heart. Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of EmilySent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] yoga video hi everyone funny photo attached that shows what happens if your baby doesnt get enough food ! i found this while looking for photos for an infant nutrition seminar im doing for uni next week. does anyone still have that short movie of the yoga mum where the baby crawls up and has a feed while shes upside down?? id love to include that :) if anyone has it they can send it direct to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks emily Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 2/7/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing
I spent two months in prison here in B.C., Canada where midwifery is very suppressed. What an education. I spent my first week in maximum security C Unit and I'm sure the C stood for crazy. What a group of women. One of the women on our unit was pregnant and it was quite bizarre because she was the husband of one of the other inmates. That was a first for me! Apparently, she was only gay when incarcerated (which was a lot) but when she was on the outside she was straight and that's where the pregnancy came from. Hm. Anyway, I spent most of my time in prison doing what I do on the outside, talking to women about their births and their dreams for their kids. One day, this woman told me that she was 26 weeks preg and she had not felt the baby kick. I was, of course, very alarmed to hear this and asked her when the last time was that she had seen a doctor. It had been a couple of months and no one was in a hurry to book another appt. I told her that she should insist on having an u/s and find out what was going on. She went to health care and the baby was fine. The reason there was no movement was that she was on methadone and apparently the baby in utero is completely stoned on that---another first for me. I could write a book on all the things I learned in there that I didn't know before. Maybe one day I will--it was quite an adventure. The really harsh thing for prisoners is the terrible nutrition. Pregnant women got the same bland, starchy, cheap diet that everyone else got plus an orange and a piece of cheese every day. Often they would trade the orange and cheese for some junky food off someone else's tray. Poor little babies. Gloria Mh wrote: We used to have the women from Mulawa gaol in Sydney come to us. I never work in the clinics so I am not sure about their antenatal care but they always came to us when in labour- or of antenatal problems. Depending on their offence ( which, naturally, was not divulged to us), they had one or two prison officers with them who remained outside the room. I never saw or heard of anyone chained to a bed. There were very occasionally women who were handcuffed because they had a history of absconding or because their offences and gaol history were so dire they were considered to be a physical threat to staff. In that case they were required to have a female prison officer within the room in order to assure the midwives' safety. I must emphasise that that was very rare- maybe two or three cases in the ten years I have been in this delivery suite. They had the same length of stay in hospital as anyone else (approx 3 days postpartum) then mother went back to prison and baby was cared for according to the arrangements sorted out before the birth, sometimes family members, sometimes foster care. Is this what you were after? Some time last year pregnant women were moved to another facility (? near Windsor) so we don't see them anymore. Monica - Original Message - From: adamnamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Do any of you midwives out there know how birth happens for pregnant women in Australian prisons? Are they transferred to hospital or are they required to stay in the prison health service. I have been reading an Amnesty report of the abuses of pregnant and laboring women in the US (it is available through Sheila Kitzinger’s website for anyone who is interested). I am keen to know what similarities exist for Australian women. I thought fetal monitoring and a drip was bad enough-try giving birth being chained to a bed-not knowing how long you can cuddle your baby for before she is removed! That breaks my heart. Amy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emily Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] yoga video hi everyone funny photo attached that shows what happens if your baby doesnt get enough food ! i found this while looking for photos for an infant nutrition seminar im doing for uni next week. does anyone still have that short movie of the yoga mum where the baby crawls up and has a feed while shes upside down?? id love to include that :) if anyone has it they can send it direct to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks emily _ Brings words and photos together (easily) with HYPERLINK http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/PMDEF3/*http:/photomail.mail.yahoo. comPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
