Re: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
Lovely reply Carolyn, I printed it off just to be able to read it again. LOVELY. marilyn - Original Message - From: Heartlogic To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:05 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view. Mary M, thanks so much for sending this item. The following is a response I sent to Lifematters. In solidarity, Carolyn Hastie Oh dear! I read this man Sean Kelly's story with a deep sense of sorrow. How sad his experience is for himself and for his children and his partner. Humour is great isn't it? It relieves stress and is a great coping strategy. It also allows us to see under the surface and is a powerful social commentary. Leunig's wonderful cartoons bear testimony to that. Alas, it demonstrates in this situation, how the birth of a baby can be less than optimum for the child's wellbeing. Current brain and behavioural research shows how important it is that children are wanted and are welcomed with caring loving arms and hearts. This man's story also shows how fathers can feel alienated and dismissed. It is becoming more and more obvious that the environment around and within a mother influences the foundations of the sense of self of the infant. The early foundation sets the matrix for the emergence of the adult. The situation this man, Sean Kelly describes sounds typical of one where the couple have not had the opportunity to explore their feelings about parenting, nor have they been able to explore the realities of childbirth and develop effective self management strategies for pregnancy, birth, relationships or parenting. It is also clear that the couple did not know the midwives who were caring for them and therefore there was no rapport and no inclusion of the father in the transformative and extraordinary process of giving birth to a new, precious human being. What a tragedy. The good news is that it can be so different. Couples who have access to one to one midwifery care are enabled to explore their feelings, develop self management strategies and understand the process. One to one midwifery care also enables the father to become and feel valued and part of the whole process. To help him feel included, vitally important, unlike the way this man, Sean Kelly apparently felt, totally out of what was going on, being sent to get vases rather than allowed to be over-awed at the amazing journey of the human spirit and the sacredness of the process. A group called Materntiy Coaltion, consisting of various women's groups, mothers, midwives and others who care about birth and what happens to our babies at birth have consulted across Australia and have written a National Maternity Action Plan (NMAP) NMAP details can be found at www.maternitycoalition.org.au/nmap.html The National Maternty Action Plan is a document which calls for government bodies to facilitate substantial change to the way in which maternity services are provided, by making available to all women, their partners and their families, the choice of publically funded community midwifery care. This model promotes continuity of care from ante natal, through labour and birth, and for post natal care. The National Maternity Action Plan is being launched across Australia on the 24th September. People are gathering in every major city at the respective Parliament houses to launch NMAP. For more details, please call me, Carolyn Hastie, 0418 428 430. warmly, Carolyn Hastie "True self worth, success and wealth can only come about from responsible love, caring and compassionate thoughts and actions." Ty Metsker Child Development, Family and Individual Counselor
RE: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
Mary M, thanks so much for sending this item. The following is a response I sent to Lifematters. In solidarity, Carolyn Hastie Oh dear! I read this man Sean Kelly's story with a deep sense of sorrow. How sad his experience is for himself and for his children and his partner. Humour is great isn't it? It relieves stress and is a great coping strategy. It also allows us to see under the surface and is a powerful social commentary. Leunig's wonderful cartoons bear testimony to that. Alas, it demonstrates in this situation, how the birth of a baby can be less than optimum for the child's wellbeing. Current brain and behavioural research shows how important it is that children are wanted and are welcomed with caring loving arms and hearts. This man's story also shows how fathers can feel alienated and dismissed. It is becoming more and more obvious that the environment around and within a mother influences the foundations of the sense of self of the infant. The early foundation sets the matrix for the emergence of the adult. The situation this man, Sean Kelly describes sounds typical of one where the couple have not had the opportunity to explore their feelings about parenting, nor have they been able to explore the realities of childbirth and develop effective self management strategies for pregnancy, birth, relationships or parenting. It is also clear that the couple did not know the midwives who were caring for them and therefore there was no rapport and no inclusion of the father in the transformative and extraordinary process of giving birth to a new, precious human being. What a tragedy. The good news is that it can be so different. Couples who have access to one to one midwifery care are enabled to explore their feelings, develop self management strategies and understand the process. One to one midwifery care also enables the father to become and feel valued and part of the whole process. To help him feel included, vitally important, unlike the way this man, Sean Kelly apparently felt, totally out of what was going on, being sent to get vases rather than allowed to be over-awed at the amazing journey of the human spirit and the sacredness of the process. A group called Materntiy Coaltion, consisting of various women's groups, mothers, midwives and others who care about birth and what happens to our babies at birth have consulted across Australia and have written a National Maternity Action Plan (NMAP) NMAP details can be found at www.maternitycoalition.org.au/nmap.html The National Maternty Action Plan is a document which calls for government bodies to facilitate substantial change to the way in which maternity services are provided, by making available to all women, their partners and their families, the choice of publically funded community midwifery care. This model promotes continuity of care from ante natal, through labour and birth, and for post natal care. The National Maternity Action Plan is being launched across Australia on the 24th September. People are gathering in every major city at the respective Parliament houses to launch NMAP. For more details, please call me, Carolyn Hastie, 0418 428 430. warmly, Carolyn Hastie "True self worth, success and wealth can only come about from responsible love, caring and compassionate thoughts and actions." Ty Metsker Child Development, Family and Individual Counselor
Re: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
Brilliant - Original Message - From: Heartlogic To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view. Mary M, thanks so much for sending this item. The following is a response I sent to Lifematters. In solidarity, Carolyn Hastie Oh dear! I read this man Sean Kelly's story with a deep sense of sorrow. How sad his experience is for himself and for his children and his partner. Humour is great isn't it? It relieves stress and is a great coping strategy. It also allows us to see under the surface and is a powerful social commentary. Leunig's wonderful cartoons bear testimony to that. Alas, it demonstrates in this situation, how the birth of a baby can be less than optimum for the child's wellbeing. Current brain and behavioural research shows how important it is that children are wanted and are welcomed with caring loving arms and hearts. This man's story also shows how fathers can feel alienated and dismissed. It is becoming more and more obvious that the environment around and within a mother influences the foundations of the sense of self of the infant. The early foundation sets the matrix for the emergence of the adult. The situation this man, Sean Kelly describes sounds typical of one where the couple have not had the opportunity to explore their feelings about parenting, nor have they been able to explore the realities of childbirth and develop effective self management strategies for pregnancy, birth, relationships or parenting. It is also clear that the couple did not know the midwives who were caring for them and therefore there was no rapport and no inclusion of the father in the transformative and extraordinary process of giving birth to a new, precious human being. What a tragedy. The good news is that it can be so different. Couples who have access to one to one midwifery care are enabled to explore their feelings, develop self management strategies and understand the process. One to one midwifery care also enables the father to become and feel valued and part of the whole process. To help him feel included, vitally important, unlike the way this man, Sean Kelly apparently felt, totally out of what was going on, being sent to get vases rather than allowed to be over-awed at the amazing journey of the human spirit and the sacredness of the process. A group called Materntiy Coaltion, consisting of various women's groups, mothers, midwives and others who care about birth and what happens to our babies at birth have consulted across Australia and have written a National Maternity Action Plan (NMAP) NMAP details can be found at www.maternitycoalition.org.au/nmap.html The National Maternty Action Plan is a document which calls for government bodies to facilitate substantial change to the way in which maternity services are provided, by making available to all women, their partners and their families, the choice of publically funded community midwifery care. This model promotes continuity of care from ante natal, through labour and birth, and for post natal care. The National Maternity Action Plan is being launched across Australia on the 24th September. People are gathering in every major city at the respective Parliament houses to launch NMAP. For more details, please call me, Carolyn Hastie, 0418 428 430. warmly, Carolyn Hastie "True self worth, success and wealth can only come about from responsible love, caring and compassionate thoughts and actions." Ty Metsker Child Development, Family and Individual Counselor
Re: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
Scary - nowhere near enough tongue in that cheek for me... - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list ; Tracy Reibel Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view. I think I've lost my sense of humour. This raised my hackles. MM PREGO: A READING BY SEAN KELLY (Life Matters: 12/9/2002)Life Matters' Man About The House gives his response to the mysterious,terrifying, wonderful world of childbirth.http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s668218.htm
Re: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view. As one of my colleagues said when we were trying to get things going during the action research project that comprised most of my doctoral project, and there were various stakeholders and gatekeepers with whom we had to negotiate to set up a group for women to talk with each other, Send them love (with a northern English accent so the love is pronounced in a special way that makes it more memorable and interesting. It worked. Im sure Seans comments were meant to be humorous but sometimes terribly sad and negative stereotypes can be reinforced like they are in this instance. This was a great and wise response, Carolyn. Penny B. On 21/9/02 7:05 PM, Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary M, thanks so much for sending this item. The following is a response I sent to Lifematters. In solidarity, Carolyn Hastie
Re: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
One has to wonder how many men would read this and identify with it. Is disgraceful that it is in print. Jenny From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tracy Reibel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view. Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:41:02 +0800 I think I've lost my sense of humour. This raised my hackles. MM PREGO: A READING BY SEAN KELLY (Life Matters: 12/9/2002) Life Matters' Man About The House gives his response to the mysterious, terrifying, wonderful world of childbirth. http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s668218.htm Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
It is a sad but too true reflection of what happenings in too many lives in our clever country and another reason why they need another way to experience pregnancy and chidlbirth!!Get out too those polies and make them implement NMAP Denise - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list ; Tracy Reibel Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view. I think I've lost my sense of humour. This raised my hackles. MM PREGO: A READING BY SEAN KELLY (Life Matters: 12/9/2002)Life Matters' Man About The House gives his response to the mysterious,terrifying, wonderful world of childbirth.http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s668218.htm
Re: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
Title: Message double ugh!! - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view. Ugh! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Friday, September 20, 2002 4:41 PMTo: list; Tracy ReibelSubject: [ozmidwifery] A mans point of view. I think I've lost my sense of humour. This raised my hackles. MM PREGO: A READING BY SEAN KELLY (Life Matters: 12/9/2002)Life Matters' Man About The House gives his response to the mysterious,terrifying, wonderful world of childbirth.http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s668218.htm
