Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition
Dear all - with the deepest respect this discussion is valid and definitely worth having however I do not think the wording of the hands should be viewed as a final concluded statement about the midwife. there are many midwives in this country who call themselves IPM's, homebirth midwives, midwives, midwife practitoners, bush midwife or village midwife and traditional midwife - to name a few . the hands are a petition only to set up an enquiry at govt level. aiden is out after july 1. it is the ipm's who have got the ball rolling on this and set up the petitions and have asked for our support to help get medicare and insurance issues on the national agenda as a matter of urgency - THIS IS WHAT TRULY MATTERS. If it is such a huge problem - then do your own hands and send them please to Jan asap. Mary M - you have said it all really, there is nothing the medicos would love more than to divide and conquer we must be united and work towards ways of working together in a unified way. there will always be aspects of a campaign strategy that people feel they can not align themselves too - and one can conscientiously object be aware though this does not mean the issues are lost in the process... after july 1 things will be much much tougher at a senate level... please consider dropping this line for now and ammending if you need to. but our midwife elders who have supported women tirelessly for years and kept the homebirth fires burning - and paved the way for all of us in the profession of midwifery have asked for our support. i hope as many of you as possible can attend the meeting on the day or offer support to these courageous and energetic women. Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Dean & Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition I have had an interesting experience regarding the midwife insurance petition today that I was hoping can be passed on to those who are conducting it. There was a great opportunity for me to get quite a number of signatures today but the thing that was focused on was the wording of the document, in particular the reference to midwife ‘Practioner.’ There is strong opposition to the term as it fragments the role/scope of practice of midwives. Midwives have a scope of practice which does not require the segmentation of the type of midwife. A fully trained midwife does not need to do further study or qualifications to them be a Midwife Practioner. It implies that one midwife is more qualified than another like the nurse and the nurse Practioner. The ACMI are working hard to get recognition for the role of a midwife and the scope of practice…all midwives are/should be able to do ante-natal, intrapartum and post natal including pathology and testing (despite the fact that the current system does not formally allow them to do so due to the issues with Medicare provider numbers) It was unfortunate that the wording was on the petition as no one would sign it on that ground. I know it sounds pedantic but it is a very serious issue for many midwives. Can this be passed on to those conducting the petition so they are aware of it? They can contact me if they wish to discuss it. Cheers Jo --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 18/04/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 18/04/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition
Title: Message There is no need for the doctors to attack us, we are busy doing it to each other. All minorities do it, leaving the majority to triumph. MM I Ah man…midwives need to unify or you guys will self destruct! Uniformity and self protection is the strength behind the medicos. *sigh* I agree whole heartily. Unfortunately there are some driving the agenda's that are pushing Midwife Practitioners entry are at a MASTERS level further devaluing the uniqueness levelling of midwives- we are all midwives, a midwife is a midwife. how can we possibly further the profession if we are unable to work to the full description of a midwife when we have people pushing another agenda - the practitioner level. Some Universities have beginning practitioner midwives graduating at Masters level!! In Qld we have gone through this with the qualification allowance. Initially experienced midwives were being paid less than the student graduate. those with a Masters level get an extra 5.5% those with plain midwifery 3.5% - fair not.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition
Title: Message I understand that there are midwives out there that have only worked in one area for a long time and so may need some refreshers and (dare I say the word) –up-skill…don’t shoot me for saying that! The notion that some may want to refresh in order to feel confident and up to date on areas is conceivable, however there really is no scope for dividing up midwifery into a hierarchal profession. If anything there should be a distinction of those who want to be a midwife and those who want to be OB nurses. But that is my personal consumer opinion. Ah man…midwives need to unify or you guys will self destruct! Uniformity and self protection is the strength behind the medicos. *sigh* For the cause Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B & G Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition I agree whole heartily. Unfortunately there are some driving the agenda's that are pushing Midwife Practitioners entry are at a MASTERS level further devaluing the uniqueness levelling of midwives- we are all midwives, a midwife is a midwife. how can we possibly further the profession if we are unable to work to the full description of a midwife when we have people pushing another agenda - the practitioner level. Some Universities have beginning practitioner midwives graduating at Masters level!! In Qld we have gone through this with the qualification allowance. Initially experienced midwives were being paid less than the student graduate. those with a Masters level get an extra 5.5% those with plain midwifery 3.5% - fair not. Cheers Barb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean & Jo Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition I have had an interesting experience regarding the midwife insurance petition today that I was hoping can be passed on to those who are conducting it. There was a great opportunity for me to get quite a number of signatures today but the thing that was focused on was the wording of the document, in particular the reference to midwife ‘Practioner.’ There is strong opposition to the term as it fragments the role/scope of practice of midwives. Midwives have a scope of practice which does not require the segmentation of the type of midwife. A fully trained midwife does not need to do further study or qualifications to them be a Midwife Practioner. It implies that one midwife is more qualified than another like the nurse and the nurse Practioner. The ACMI are working hard to get recognition for the role of a midwife and the scope of practice…all midwives are/should be able to do ante-natal, intrapartum and post natal including pathology and testing (despite the fact that the current system does not formally allow them to do so due to the issues with Medicare provider numbers) It was unfortunate that the wording was on the petition as no one would sign it on that ground. I know it sounds pedantic but it is a very serious issue for many midwives. Can this be passed on to those conducting the petition so they are aware of it? They can contact me if they wish to discuss it. Cheers Jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition
I too had the same response from others and concerns myself. A midwife is a midwife is a midwife full stop! Kirsten - Original Message - From: Dean & Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition I have had an interesting experience regarding the midwife insurance petition today that I was hoping can be passed on to those who are conducting it. There was a great opportunity for me to get quite a number of signatures today but the thing that was focused on was the wording of the document, in particular the reference to midwife ‘Practioner.’ There is strong opposition to the term as it fragments the role/scope of practice of midwives. Midwives have a scope of practice which does not require the segmentation of the type of midwife. A fully trained midwife does not need to do further study or qualifications to them be a Midwife Practioner. It implies that one midwife is more qualified than another like the nurse and the nurse Practioner. The ACMI are working hard to get recognition for the role of a midwife and the scope of practice…all midwives are/should be able to do ante-natal, intrapartum and post natal including pathology and testing (despite the fact that the current system does not formally allow them to do so due to the issues with Medicare provider numbers) It was unfortunate that the wording was on the petition as no one would sign it on that ground. I know it sounds pedantic but it is a very serious issue for many midwives. Can this be passed on to those conducting the petition so they are aware of it? They can contact me if they wish to discuss it. Cheers Jo --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition
Title: Message I agree whole heartily. Unfortunately there are some driving the agenda's that are pushing Midwife Practitioners entry are at a MASTERS level further devaluing the uniqueness levelling of midwives- we are all midwives, a midwife is a midwife. how can we possibly further the profession if we are unable to work to the full description of a midwife when we have people pushing another agenda - the practitioner level. Some Universities have beginning practitioner midwives graduating at Masters level!! In Qld we have gone through this with the qualification allowance. Initially experienced midwives were being paid less than the student graduate. those with a Masters level get an extra 5.5% those with plain midwifery 3.5% - fair not. Cheers Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean & JoSent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 7:46 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition I have had an interesting experience regarding the midwife insurance petition today that I was hoping can be passed on to those who are conducting it. There was a great opportunity for me to get quite a number of signatures today but the thing that was focused on was the wording of the document, in particular the reference to midwife ‘Practioner.’ There is strong opposition to the term as it fragments the role/scope of practice of midwives. Midwives have a scope of practice which does not require the segmentation of the type of midwife. A fully trained midwife does not need to do further study or qualifications to them be a Midwife Practioner. It implies that one midwife is more qualified than another like the nurse and the nurse Practioner. The ACMI are working hard to get recognition for the role of a midwife and the scope of practice…all midwives are/should be able to do ante-natal, intrapartum and post natal including pathology and testing (despite the fact that the current system does not formally allow them to do so due to the issues with Medicare provider numbers) It was unfortunate that the wording was on the petition as no one would sign it on that ground. I know it sounds pedantic but it is a very serious issue for many midwives. Can this be passed on to those conducting the petition so they are aware of it? They can contact me if they wish to discuss it. Cheers Jo --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005
