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it is so great just to listen to the stories on this fundamental issue in birth. i take my hat off to you all and know that women in Australia are in good hands. keep up the fabulous work. yours in awe and support Bronni
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Dear Bronni Thanks for the support. You should share with the list your "real' experiences of 3rd stage ie lotus birth. lol jan - Original Message - From: Steve Bronni McGrath To: list Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: re: Third Stage it is so great just to listen to the stories on this fundamental issue in birth. i take my hat off to you all and know that women in Australia are in good hands. keep up the fabulous work. yours in awe and support Bronni
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The longest I have waited for a placenta with no bleeding is 9 hours. It was 11pm so we all went to bed with instructions to wake me if any problems. When I described a manual removal the mother sat on the toilet and there it was. She was very tender in and around the vagina and feels that this is the reason for the delay. Leigh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Third stage Date: 13/11/2001 5:32:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To really share is difficult at times but the same fear emerges for me re transfer age I think 1 hr is normal I think at 2 hrs if third stage del soon great but if I wait any longer the facility I transfer to will be punitive to my client. So off I go. I have trans fered once at 1.5 hrs and negotiated for spinal for manual , not happy jan and the placenta was picked out bit bt bit I truly believe it would not have come and I'm glad I didn't wait longer. A collegue braver than I waited 7 hrs and it still didn't happen of to hosp were they were not sweetness and light neither werethe parents once they teamed up with the doctors and heard about the danger they had been submitted to. In a nutshell if the woman is well NO TIME LIMIT BUT YOU HAVE TO FACE GREATER HOSTILITY THE LONGER YOU DELAY TRANSFER SORRY TO SAY. I GUESS IT'S GOOD TO ADMIT THAT MIDWIVES ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDSjan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Third stage How long is the longest people have waited patiently for a placenta to arrive when there was no bleeding?? Sally Westbury This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au To really share is difficult at times but the same fear emerges for me re transfer age I think 1 hr is normal I think at 2 hrs if third stage del soon great but if I wait any longer the facility I transfer to will be punitive to my client.So offIgo. I have trans fered once at 1.5 hrs and negotiated for spinal for manual , not happy jan and the placenta was picked out bit bt bit I truly believe it would not have come and I'm gladI didn't wait longer. A collegue braver than I waited 7 hrs and it still didn't happen of to hosp were they were not sweetness and light neither werethe parents once they teamed up with the doctors and heard about the danger they had been submitted to. In a nutshell if the woman is well NO TIME LIMIT BUT YOU HAVE TO FACE GREATER HOSTILITY THE LONGER YOU DELAY TRANSFER SORRY TO SAY. I GUESS IT'S GOOD TO ADMIT THAT MIDWIVES ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDS jan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Third stage How long is the longest people have waited patiently for a placenta to arrive when there was no bleeding?? Sally Westbury
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Thanks for sharing that Joy that story. OF COURSE TO LISTEN TO EXPERTS [BIRTHING MOTHERS ] IS SOMETHING TO ALWAYS REMEMBER. and Sally I admire what you did so much another problem for me would be to stay that long. That woman was so fortunate to have you .lol jan - Original Message - From: Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: RE: Third stage A story from me: I don't want to minimise the importance of what you and others have been saying Jan, and I agree that sharing our stories does make us feel vulnerable at times. I found that sometimes I worry about these things unnecessarily. The woman had given birth at home to her 7th beautiful healthy baby. This was her first planned homebirth. Two hours after the birth she was sitting in a lounge chair, just soaking up the delight of the moment. Placenta was still in, and cord not cut. There had been no bleeding. I had spoken a few times about getting the placenta out, but evidently my words had gone over her. I cleared my throat and gently informed her that I really needed to recommend a dose of syntocinon and controlled cord pressure (I believe that it would be dangerous to pull in a grand multi without synt), and if it wouldn't come we would have to bundle up and transfer to hospital blahblah. Karen seemed to come out of her trance, looked straight at me and said, a little puzzled, and said If I stand up it will come. And it did. Silly me. That was some time ago, and many of you wise women out there probably know how to work with the woman better than I did then. I was worrying needlessly. Learning to deal with third stage, and not be afraid, has been one of the most significant learning experiences for me in becoming an independent midwife. Joy Johnston -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Third stage File: ATT5.htm To really share is difficult at times but the same fear emerges for me re transfer age I think 1 hr is normal I think at 2 hrs if third stage del soon great but if I wait any longer the facility I transfer to will be punitive to my client. So off I go. I have trans fered once at 1.5 hrs and negotiated for spinal for manual , not happy jan and the placenta was picked out bit bt bit I truly believe it would not have come and I'm glad I didn't wait longer. A collegue braver than I waited 7 hrs and it still didn't happen of to hosp were they were not sweetness and light neither werethe parents once they teamed up with the doctors and heard about the danger they had been submitted to. In a nutshell if the woman is well NO TIME LIMIT BUT YOU HAVE TO FACE GREATER HOSTILITY THE LONGER YOU DELAY TRANSFER SORRY TO SAY. I GUESS IT'S GOOD TO ADMIT THAT MIDWIVES ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDSjan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Third stage How long is the longest people have waited patiently for a placenta to arrive when there was no bleeding?? Sally Westbury -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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To really share is difficult at times but the same fear emerges for me re transfer age I think 1 hr is normal I think at 2 hrs if third stage del soon great but if I wait any longer the facility I transfer to will be punitive to my client.So offIgo. I have trans fered once at 1.5 hrs and negotiated for spinal for manual , not happy jan and the placenta was picked out bit bt bit I truly believe it would not have come and I'm gladI didn't wait longer. A collegue braver than I waited 7 hrs and it still didn't happen of to hosp were they were not sweetness and light neither werethe parents once they teamed up with the doctors and heard about the danger they had been submitted to. In a nutshell if the woman is well NO TIME LIMIT BUT YOU HAVE TO FACE GREATER HOSTILITY THE LONGER YOU DELAY TRANSFER SORRY TO SAY. I GUESS IT'S GOOD TO ADMIT THAT MIDWIVES ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDS jan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Third stage How long is the longest people have waited patiently for a placenta to arrive when there was no bleeding?? Sally Westbury
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I asked this because last night I was in the middle of a 10 hour wait. The woman did not want synt although I offered it.I must admit that the repercussion for 'being punished' by the hospital (where I am currently working as well) did flash though my mind several times, but the woman was clear that she wanted to wait.. so wait we did... finally the placenta came out with minimal blood loss. Very ineresting times though. in peace and joy Sally
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Also waited all night for one at work when the father would not let the ob touch the cord because his wife declined an oxytocic! THAT gave rise to some interesting stories about us - Original Message - From: Jane Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:32 PM Subject: RE: Third stage Hi Sally So far the longest I've waited is 3 and a half hours. The placenta emerged no problems. Have heard stories of waiting much longer and the placenta still spontaneous arrived. Jane Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Carol Van Lochem Sent: Monday, 12 November 2001 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Third stage Waited 3 hours once. All was well. Regards Carol From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Third stage Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:42:19 +1100 How long is the longest people have waited patiently for a placenta to arrive when there was no bleeding?? Sally Westbury _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Sally were u at home or in hospital either way great job. Hate to admit it but it would be a piece of cake for me to support the wishes of a woman in hospital as oppossed to staying home 10 hrs jan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Third stage I asked this because last night I was in the middle of a 10 hour wait. The woman did not want synt although I offered it.I must admit that the repercussion for 'being punished' by the hospital (where I am currently working as well) did flash though my mind several times, but the woman was clear that she wanted to wait.. so wait we did... finally the placenta came out with minimal blood loss. Very ineresting times though. in peace and joy Sally
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a colleage of mine waited 8 hrs before transferring and the placenta came out on the way to hospital. MM - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:42 PM Subject: Third stage How long is the longest people have waited patiently for a placenta to arrive when there was no bleeding?? Sally Westbury
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We were at home.
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A story from me: I don't want to minimise the importance of what you and others have been saying Jan, and I agree that sharing our stories does make us feel vulnerable at times. I found that sometimes I worry about these things unnecessarily. The woman had given birth at home to her 7th beautiful healthy baby. This was her first planned homebirth. Two hours after the birth she was sitting in a lounge chair, just soaking up the delight of the moment. Placenta was still in, and cord not cut. There had been no bleeding. I had spoken a few times about getting the placenta out, but evidently my words had gone over her. I cleared my throat and gently informed her that I really needed to recommend a dose of syntocinon and controlled cord pressure (I believe that it would be dangerous to pull in a grand multi without synt), and if it wouldn't come we would have to bundle up and transfer to hospital blahblah. Karen seemed to come out of her trance, looked straight at me and said, a little puzzled, and said If I stand up it will come. And it did. Silly me. That was some time ago, and many of you wise women out there probably know how to work with the woman better than I did then. I was worrying needlessly. Learning to deal with third stage, and not be afraid, has been one of the most significant learning experiences for me in becoming an independent midwife. Joy Johnston -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Third stage File: ATT5.htm To really share is difficult at times but the same fear emerges for me re transfer age I think 1 hr is normal I think at 2 hrs if third stage del soon great but if I wait any longer the facility I transfer to will be punitive to my client. So off I go. I have trans fered once at 1.5 hrs and negotiated for spinal for manual , not happy jan and the placenta was picked out bit bt bit I truly believe it would not have come and I'm glad I didn't wait longer. A collegue braver than I waited 7 hrs and it still didn't happen of to hosp were they were not sweetness and light neither werethe parents once they teamed up with the doctors and heard about the danger they had been submitted to. In a nutshell if the woman is well NO TIME LIMIT BUT YOU HAVE TO FACE GREATER HOSTILITY THE LONGER YOU DELAY TRANSFER SORRY TO SAY. I GUESS IT'S GOOD TO ADMIT THAT MIDWIVES ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDSjan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Third stage How long is the longest people have waited patiently for a placenta to arrive when there was no bleeding?? Sally Westbury -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
