Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal
I found the letter to me from my obstetric colleague re the Push Pal... Dear Lynne I am writing to you about the Push Pal. It is good to see that the woman is giving birth recumbently! I suppose they might be another useful adjunct. You might like to discuss it with the other midwives. Yours sincerely. - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal While you are at it (printing off and discussion) have an indepth look at the 'epi-no' product as well. More damaging in the long run but the message for the pregnant woman is just as disempowering Cheers Alesa - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Peter Cundall is the host for Gardening Australia, and to me, the Push Pals thingos look like kneepads for gardeners! Sorry - I just can't get my head around these things. Now come to think about it it's not my head that I'm supposed to get around then is it?! The testimonials would make for a very interesting discourse analysis in themselves - I have a mind to print them off and have a big discussion with the midwives where I work for an inservice. Sigh. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Jo I emailed this to an Ob colleague of mine, and, Bless his little cotton socks, he wrote a (very toungue-in-cheek )letter outlining that he thought this was just what the unit needed! I am sure I can find the letter somewhere! I think this ad should be read in a Peter Cundall voice (no offence Peter, but they look like gardening knee pads!!) Oops, sorry pals. with mirth Lynne Hi Lynne. I would love to read the letter if you can find it! ...the stranded beetle position... I just think it shouts out : You will birth OUR way, (but we've designed something to, um, help you) The Peter Cundall joke went over my head...am I too young?? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal
Lynne Thank you I knew I would not like the answer but many things are out there and forwarned is forearmed? Denise Hynd Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have. Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal An anal dilation procedure which is manually done (under anaesthesia). I will never forget seeing it in OT . Push Pals remind me of the same thing, except that for a Lord's procedure to be considered and indicated, narrowing/stricture of the anal sphincter must be present, so there is a 'predisposing condition' necessitating a medical treatment/intervention. Has pregnancy now become a 'predisposing condition'/indication for mechanical vaginal dilatation? I just wonder when it will ever end. - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Dear Lynne What is a Lord's Proceedure?? Denise Hynd Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have. Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal I also have an issue with this Alesa - it reinforces the woman as being incapable of giving birth without some sort of aid. There was ahealthy discussion about the Epino some time ago on ozmid. I think it is quire perverse actually. Reminds me of a Lord's procedure, only for the vagina. - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal While you are at it (printing off and discussion) have an indepth look at the 'epi-no' product as well. More damaging in the long run but the message for the pregnant woman is just as disempowering Cheers Alesa - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Peter Cundall is the host for Gardening Australia, and to me, the Push Pals thingos look like kneepads for gardeners! Sorry - I just can't get my head around these things. Now come to think about it it's not my head that I'm supposed to get around then is it?! The testimonials would make for a very interesting discourse analysis in themselves - I have a mind to print them off and have a big discussion with the midwives where I work for an inservice. Sigh. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Jo I emailed this to an Ob colleague of mine, and, Bless his little cotton socks, he wrote a (very toungue-in-cheek )letter outlining that he thought this was just what the unit needed! I am sure I can find the letter somewhere! I think this ad should be read in a Peter Cundall voice (no offence Peter, but they look like gardening knee pads!!) Oops, sorry pals. with mirth Lynne Hi Lynne. I would love to read the letter if you can find it! ...the stranded beetle position... I just think it shouts out : You will birth OUR way, (but we've designed something to, um, help you) The Peter Cundall joke went over my head...am I too young?? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal
I really do think they are someones idea of an internet joke!! marilyn who having been in the USA until rather recently actually thinks not even in the US - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:28 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Peter Cundall is the host for Gardening Australia, and to me, the Push Pals thingos look like kneepads for gardeners! Sorry - I just can't get my head around these things. Now come to think about it it's not my head that I'm supposed to get around then is it?! The testimonials would make for a very interesting discourse analysis in themselves - I have a mind to print them off and have a big discussion with the midwives where I work for an inservice. Sigh. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Jo I emailed this to an Ob colleague of mine, and, Bless his little cotton socks, he wrote a (very toungue-in-cheek )letter outlining that he thought this was just what the unit needed! I am sure I can find the letter somewhere! I think this ad should be read in a Peter Cundall voice (no offence Peter, but they look like gardening knee pads!!) Oops, sorry pals. with mirth Lynne Hi Lynne. I would love to read the letter if you can find it! ...the stranded beetle position... I just think it shouts out : You will birth OUR way, (but we've designed something to, um, help you) The Peter Cundall joke went over my head...am I too young?? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal
An anal dilation procedure which is manually done (under anaesthesia). I will never forget seeing it in OT . Push Pals remind me of the same thing, except that for a Lord's procedure to be considered and indicated, narrowing/stricture of the anal sphincter must be present, so there is a 'predisposing condition' necessitating a medical treatment/intervention. Has pregnancy now become a 'predisposing condition'/indication for mechanical vaginal dilatation? I just wonder when it will ever end. - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Dear Lynne What is a Lord's Proceedure?? Denise Hynd Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have. Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal I also have an issue with this Alesa - it reinforces the woman as being incapable of giving birth without some sort of aid. There was ahealthy discussion about the Epino some time ago on ozmid. I think it is quire perverse actually. Reminds me of a Lord's procedure, only for the vagina. - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal While you are at it (printing off and discussion) have an indepth look at the 'epi-no' product as well. More damaging in the long run but the message for the pregnant woman is just as disempowering Cheers Alesa - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Peter Cundall is the host for Gardening Australia, and to me, the Push Pals thingos look like kneepads for gardeners! Sorry - I just can't get my head around these things. Now come to think about it it's not my head that I'm supposed to get around then is it?! The testimonials would make for a very interesting discourse analysis in themselves - I have a mind to print them off and have a big discussion with the midwives where I work for an inservice. Sigh. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Jo I emailed this to an Ob colleague of mine, and, Bless his little cotton socks, he wrote a (very toungue-in-cheek )letter outlining that he thought this was just what the unit needed! I am sure I can find the letter somewhere! I think this ad should be read in a Peter Cundall voice (no offence Peter, but they look like gardening knee pads!!) Oops, sorry pals. with mirth Lynne Hi Lynne. I would love to read the letter if you can find it! ...the stranded beetle position... I just think it shouts out : You will birth OUR way, (but we've designed something to, um, help you) The Peter Cundall joke went over my head...am I too young?? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal
Peter Cundall is the host for Gardening Australia, and to me, the Push Pals thingos look like kneepads for gardeners! Sorry - I just can't get my head around these things. Now come to think about it it's not my head that I'm supposed to get around then is it?! The testimonials would make for a very interesting discourse analysis in themselves - I have a mind to print them off and have a big discussion with the midwives where I work for an inservice. Sigh. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Jo I emailed this to an Ob colleague of mine, and, Bless his little cotton socks, he wrote a (very toungue-in-cheek )letter outlining that he thought this was just what the unit needed! I am sure I can find the letter somewhere! I think this ad should be read in a Peter Cundall voice (no offence Peter, but they look like gardening knee pads!!) Oops, sorry pals. with mirth Lynne Hi Lynne. I would love to read the letter if you can find it! ...the stranded beetle position... I just think it shouts out : You will birth OUR way, (but we've designed something to, um, help you) The Peter Cundall joke went over my head...am I too young?? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal
While you are at it (printing off and discussion) have an indepth look at the 'epi-no' product as well. More damaging in the long run but the message for the pregnant woman is just as disempowering Cheers Alesa - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Peter Cundall is the host for Gardening Australia, and to me, the Push Pals thingos look like kneepads for gardeners! Sorry - I just can't get my head around these things. Now come to think about it it's not my head that I'm supposed to get around then is it?! The testimonials would make for a very interesting discourse analysis in themselves - I have a mind to print them off and have a big discussion with the midwives where I work for an inservice. Sigh. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Jo I emailed this to an Ob colleague of mine, and, Bless his little cotton socks, he wrote a (very toungue-in-cheek )letter outlining that he thought this was just what the unit needed! I am sure I can find the letter somewhere! I think this ad should be read in a Peter Cundall voice (no offence Peter, but they look like gardening knee pads!!) Oops, sorry pals. with mirth Lynne Hi Lynne. I would love to read the letter if you can find it! ...the stranded beetle position... I just think it shouts out : You will birth OUR way, (but we've designed something to, um, help you) The Peter Cundall joke went over my head...am I too young?? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal
I also have an issue with this Alesa - it reinforces the woman as being incapable of giving birth without some sort of aid. There was ahealthy discussion about the Epino some time ago on ozmid. I think it is quire perverse actually. Reminds me of a Lord's procedure, only for the vagina. - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal While you are at it (printing off and discussion) have an indepth look at the 'epi-no' product as well. More damaging in the long run but the message for the pregnant woman is just as disempowering Cheers Alesa - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Peter Cundall is the host for Gardening Australia, and to me, the Push Pals thingos look like kneepads for gardeners! Sorry - I just can't get my head around these things. Now come to think about it it's not my head that I'm supposed to get around then is it?! The testimonials would make for a very interesting discourse analysis in themselves - I have a mind to print them off and have a big discussion with the midwives where I work for an inservice. Sigh. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Jo I emailed this to an Ob colleague of mine, and, Bless his little cotton socks, he wrote a (very toungue-in-cheek )letter outlining that he thought this was just what the unit needed! I am sure I can find the letter somewhere! I think this ad should be read in a Peter Cundall voice (no offence Peter, but they look like gardening knee pads!!) Oops, sorry pals. with mirth Lynne Hi Lynne. I would love to read the letter if you can find it! ...the stranded beetle position... I just think it shouts out : You will birth OUR way, (but we've designed something to, um, help you) The Peter Cundall joke went over my head...am I too young?? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal - EpiNo
Hi Alesa, The Epi-No might not be everyone's cup of tea, but new research has just been published that is very positive in its outcomes. The study was done in Israel (where I am headed tomorrow, for a week of workshops) so I will be very keen to hear what the midwives have to say about it. Israel is one of many countries that still have 100% episiotomy rates (Spain and much of south-east Asia are other notable examples) so anything that gives women more confidence, in such a disempowering climate, could be a good thing. We get quite a lot of sales from Japan as well Cheers Andrea At 09:50 PM 2/09/2004, you wrote: While you are at it (printing off and discussion) have an indepth look at the 'epi-no' product as well. More damaging in the long run but the message for the pregnant woman is just as disempowering Cheers Alesa - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Peter Cundall is the host for Gardening Australia, and to me, the Push Pals thingos look like kneepads for gardeners! Sorry - I just can't get my head around these things. Now come to think about it it's not my head that I'm supposed to get around then is it?! The testimonials would make for a very interesting discourse analysis in themselves - I have a mind to print them off and have a big discussion with the midwives where I work for an inservice. Sigh. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Jo I emailed this to an Ob colleague of mine, and, Bless his little cotton socks, he wrote a (very toungue-in-cheek )letter outlining that he thought this was just what the unit needed! I am sure I can find the letter somewhere! I think this ad should be read in a Peter Cundall voice (no offence Peter, but they look like gardening knee pads!!) Oops, sorry pals. with mirth Lynne Hi Lynne. I would love to read the letter if you can find it! ...the stranded beetle position... I just think it shouts out : You will birth OUR way, (but we've designed something to, um, help you) The Peter Cundall joke went over my head...am I too young?? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal
Dear Lynne What is a Lord's Proceedure?? Denise Hynd Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have. Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal I also have an issue with this Alesa - it reinforces the woman as being incapable of giving birth without some sort of aid. There was ahealthy discussion about the Epino some time ago on ozmid. I think it is quire perverse actually. Reminds me of a Lord's procedure, only for the vagina. - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal While you are at it (printing off and discussion) have an indepth look at the 'epi-no' product as well. More damaging in the long run but the message for the pregnant woman is just as disempowering Cheers Alesa - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Peter Cundall is the host for Gardening Australia, and to me, the Push Pals thingos look like kneepads for gardeners! Sorry - I just can't get my head around these things. Now come to think about it it's not my head that I'm supposed to get around then is it?! The testimonials would make for a very interesting discourse analysis in themselves - I have a mind to print them off and have a big discussion with the midwives where I work for an inservice. Sigh. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Jo I emailed this to an Ob colleague of mine, and, Bless his little cotton socks, he wrote a (very toungue-in-cheek )letter outlining that he thought this was just what the unit needed! I am sure I can find the letter somewhere! I think this ad should be read in a Peter Cundall voice (no offence Peter, but they look like gardening knee pads!!) Oops, sorry pals. with mirth Lynne Hi Lynne. I would love to read the letter if you can find it! ...the stranded beetle position... I just think it shouts out : You will birth OUR way, (but we've designed something to, um, help you) The Peter Cundall joke went over my head...am I too young?? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] push pal
You can almost see little beetles with these pads on becoming even more stranded!! You feel like screaming Just help her to turn over which would reduce the inconvience described in the advertisment of the woman either had to rely on one or two other people to help position her legs, or had to use her own hands, which is inherently difficult and is made worse by sweaty hands and knees, epidural anesthesia, obesity, the size of the patient's legs and exhaustion. Sometimes a birthing mother will grab the side rails of the bed or try to brace her feet against them for leverage. Sadly this aid will probably be more acceptable in labour rooms than active birth positions. I hate to imagine the damage hours of breathe holding, chin on chest pushing whilst pulling on these things will do to women's legs. There is so much money to be made on the backs of women!! Jackie -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
