Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
I thought itwas disappointing that she used baby bottles to decorate the disappointinginformation! Alexxx - Original Message - From: Jo Watson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise "The baby whisperer" was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it?Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. "You *need* to do [this]" etc. No mention that every baby is different.I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;)Jo--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 3/04/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Yes me too! It might have been Channel 7's idea thoeither way it is tragic! Helen - Original Message - From: Alexandra Gosden To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise I thought itwas disappointing that she used baby bottles to decorate the disappointinginformation! Alexxx - Original Message - From: Jo Watson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise "The baby whisperer" was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it?Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. "You *need* to do [this]" etc. No mention that every baby is different.I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;)Jo--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 3/04/2006__ NOD32 1.1468 (20060403) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Tracy Hogg from the Uk ( who actually wrote The Baby Whisperer) did die last year BUT there are many people who claim to be baby whisperers - - usually childless themselves - not that that is always bad but how can you understand the hormonal mummy mindset that gears us up to respond to our babies when they are OUR OWN babies - so tug at OUR heartstrings? It is easy to say let them protest/ cry/ wait when they are not YOUR baby and you dont have that exquisite connection. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jane Wines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise I thought she had died last year? Is that the one from the UK - I'm sure she had a heart attack!! Jane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise The baby whisperer was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it? Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. You *need* to do [this] etc. No mention that every baby is different. I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Oh I KNOW! I forgot to mention that in my email - perhaps you should!JoOn 04/04/2006, at 1:28 PM, Alexandra Gosden wrote:I thought it was disappointing that she used baby bottles to decorate the disappointing information!Alexxx
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Hi Pinky and fellow listers, I find this aspect of broken connections quite disturbing, as I'm sure you do too, from the point of view of pregnant couples in groups they often have friends/acquaintances who have been to baby boot camp/ severe sleep school as they call it, and their friends say it was miraculous and recommend it as a definite YES! What worries me of course from the baby's aspect is the broken bond with the mum and dad - the lack of trust and connection - which we so need as parents to get through the challenges of childhood and adolescence. From the mother's point of view the broken connection, breaking the bond of care and sensitivity towards her babe, reducing the mother's intuition, reducing her nurturing role and her confidence can leave the relationship in tatters, needing repairing. In pre-natal groups (classes) there has evolved the need to explain the damage to the infant who instead of learning/experiencing loving trusting relationships as a newborn/young child learns to self settle and become detached/isolated from a young age. I will often ask my groups Do you know anyone as an adult who you cannot possibly get close to... who is cold and detached... who you couldn't feel comfortable reaching out to with a touch or to offer a hug? They all seem to get it with that question. I see them nodding their heads, thinking about it and often coming back with a variety of comments and endorsements of loving caring families. From a global perspective I wonder is it the lack of community that contributes to the perceived need for controlled crying or does controlled crying and rigid routines - creating detachment - lead towards the lack of community as some people describe these days. I feel very comfortable remaining with the notion of reading baby's signals and meeting their needs in an environment of reasonable support and this is a strong focus in my groups. Warm hug, Julie Julie Clarke Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pinky mckay Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 3:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise Tracy Hogg from the Uk ( who actually wrote The Baby Whisperer) did die last year BUT there are many people who claim to be baby whisperers - - usually childless themselves - not that that is always bad but how can you understand the hormonal mummy mindset that gears us up to respond to our babies when they are OUR OWN babies - so tug at OUR heartstrings? It is easy to say let them protest/ cry/ wait when they are not YOUR baby and you dont have that exquisite connection. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jane Wines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise I thought she had died last year? Is that the one from the UK - I'm sure she had a heart attack!! Jane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise The baby whisperer was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it? Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. You *need* to do [this] etc. No mention that every baby is different. I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Hi Julie, I really like the way you have put this. I really believe that the damage to our family units and the greater community, by being rigid with parenting routines, makes for an unhealthy pattern of interpersonal relationships. We ensure the psychological and relational health of future generations by supporting women to birth well, love their babies well and rear grounded children. Thanks for articulating your thoughts so well. Cath Palmer (Midwife that lurks on ozmid and loves the discussions!! Especially loving the physiological third stage one) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Clarke Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:52 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise Hi Pinky and fellow listers, I find this aspect of broken connections quite disturbing, as I'm sure you do too, from the point of view of pregnant couples in groups they often have friends/acquaintances who have been to baby boot camp/ severe sleep school as they call it, and their friends say it was miraculous and recommend it as a definite YES! What worries me of course from the baby's aspect is the broken bond with the mum and dad - the lack of trust and connection - which we so need as parents to get through the challenges of childhood and adolescence. From the mother's point of view the broken connection, breaking the bond of care and sensitivity towards her babe, reducing the mother's intuition, reducing her nurturing role and her confidence can leave the relationship in tatters, needing repairing. In pre-natal groups (classes) there has evolved the need to explain the damage to the infant who instead of learning/experiencing loving trusting relationships as a newborn/young child learns to self settle and become detached/isolated from a young age. I will often ask my groups Do you know anyone as an adult who you cannot possibly get close to... who is cold and detached... who you couldn't feel comfortable reaching out to with a touch or to offer a hug? They all seem to get it with that question. I see them nodding their heads, thinking about it and often coming back with a variety of comments and endorsements of loving caring families. From a global perspective I wonder is it the lack of community that contributes to the perceived need for controlled crying or does controlled crying and rigid routines - creating detachment - lead towards the lack of community as some people describe these days. I feel very comfortable remaining with the notion of reading baby's signals and meeting their needs in an environment of reasonable support and this is a strong focus in my groups. Warm hug, Julie Julie Clarke Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pinky mckay Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 3:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise Tracy Hogg from the Uk ( who actually wrote The Baby Whisperer) did die last year BUT there are many people who claim to be baby whisperers - - usually childless themselves - not that that is always bad but how can you understand the hormonal mummy mindset that gears us up to respond to our babies when they are OUR OWN babies - so tug at OUR heartstrings? It is easy to say let them protest/ cry/ wait when they are not YOUR baby and you dont have that exquisite connection. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jane Wines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise I thought she had died last year? Is that the one from the UK - I'm sure she had a heart attack!! Jane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise The baby whisperer was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it? Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. You *need* to do [this] etc. No mention that every baby is different. I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
I thought she had died last year? Is that the one from the UK - I'm sure she had a heart attack!! Jane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise The baby whisperer was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it? Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. You *need* to do [this] etc. No mention that every baby is different. I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
