RE: xaml icons
Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: http://www.iconfinder.net as it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for commercial use. Even an API in there J I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I’m back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: xaml icons Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline@middle? Image removed by sender. ~WRD000.jpg___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: xaml icons
I've done Xaml icons in the past. I break out Expression Design and then cut and paste them into Blend to get xaml versions. Embrace your inner Devigner. Don't resist it, or be ashamed. We're a rare breed. We're the bridge between those who design but shall not code and those coders with UI skills of a baby in a tumble dryer. :) cheers, Stephen On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM, carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au wrote: I tend to use Icon Experience as a base for all my icons (paid resource). If I need to, I make alterations in Photoshop and save them out as icon files (using an addin). But then again I’m a devigner (*retches at term*) so it doesn’t take me long to belt them out. Carl. Carl Scarlett Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team *IT Applications Delivery |** **Bankwest* A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004 P: (08) 9449 8703 M: 0408 913 870 E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Vishwanath Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 March 2010 8:56 AM *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* xaml icons Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.com Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/and forget about it ? http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline@middle? __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm. This electronic transmission including any attachments is intended only for those to whom it is addressed. It may contain copyright material or information that is confidential, privileged or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not distribute or copy this transmission and should please notify the sender. Your costs for doing this will be reimbursed by the sender. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. ___ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: xaml icons
Don't get me wrong; I love being a devigner and wouldn't have it any other way. I -do- hate the word devigner though. It makes us sound like a geeky zealot or something. Carl. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:58 AM To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: xaml icons I've done Xaml icons in the past. I break out Expression Design and then cut and paste them into Blend to get xaml versions. Embrace your inner Devigner. Don't resist it, or be ashamed. We're a rare breed. We're the bridge between those who design but shall not code and those coders with UI skills of a baby in a tumble dryer. :) cheers, Stephen On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM, carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au wrote: I tend to use Icon Experience as a base for all my icons (paid resource). If I need to, I make alterations in Photoshop and save them out as icon files (using an addin). But then again I'm a devigner (*retches at term*) so it doesn't take me long to belt them out. Carl. Carl Scarlett Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004 P: (08) 9449 8703 M: 0408 913 870 E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.com Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 8:56 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: xaml icons Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? Error! Filename not specified. http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/ signatureline@middle? __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm. This electronic transmission including any attachments is intended only for those to whom it is addressed. It may contain copyright material or information that is confidential, privileged or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not distribute or copy this transmission and should please notify the sender. Your costs for doing this will be reimbursed by the sender. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. ___ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm
Re: xaml icons
Fair enough. :) Coin a better one then? It's actually not too bad, if you consider the alternative of Deseloper. Perhaps there's a more accurate word that's not a hybrid of two others. I find most people have both design and develop skills but sit in different spots along the Designer to Developer curve. Sitting in the middle is no better or worse than being at one or other end, its just different. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:02 AM, carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au wrote: Don’t get me wrong; I love being a devigner and wouldn’t have it any other way. I -do- hate the word “devigner” though. It makes us sound like a geeky zealot or something. Carl. *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:58 AM *To:* ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* Re: xaml icons I've done Xaml icons in the past. I break out Expression Design and then cut and paste them into Blend to get xaml versions. Embrace your inner Devigner. Don't resist it, or be ashamed. We're a rare breed. We're the bridge between those who design but shall not code and those coders with UI skills of a baby in a tumble dryer. :) cheers, Stephen On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM, carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au wrote: I tend to use Icon Experience as a base for all my icons (paid resource). If I need to, I make alterations in Photoshop and save them out as icon files (using an addin). But then again I’m a devigner (*retches at term*) so it doesn’t take me long to belt them out. Carl. Carl Scarlett Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team *IT Applications Delivery |** **Bankwest* A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004 P: (08) 9449 8703 M: 0408 913 870 E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Vishwanath Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 March 2010 8:56 AM *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* xaml icons Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.com Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/and forget about it ? *Error! Filename not specified.*http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline@middle? __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm. This electronic transmission including any attachments is intended only for those to whom it is addressed. It may contain copyright material or information that is confidential, privileged or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not distribute or copy this transmission and should please notify the sender. Your costs for doing this will be reimbursed by the sender. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. ___ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more
Re: xaml icons
openclipart.org has some good images in SVG format which you can convert to xaml. The images are a bit hit and miss, some are great, some not so much. Joseph On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Vishwanath Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.comwrote: Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.com Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/and forget about it ? http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline@middle? ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: xaml icons
While being able to scale vector icons might seem like an advantage, in my experience if you plan to use icons at various sizes it is hard to produce one icon that has the right level of detail to look right at various sizes. Therefore, whether vector or bitmap, chances are you'll be designing different versions of the same icon for different sizes. Shane Shane Morris | http://www.automaticstudio.com.au/ Automatic Studio | mailto:sh...@automaticstudio.com.au sh...@automaticstudio.com.au | +61 438 818 888 From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 2:37 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: xaml icons openclipart.org has some good images in SVG format which you can convert to xaml. The images are a bit hit and miss, some are great, some not so much. Joseph On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Vishwanath Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/sign atureline@middle? ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: xaml icons
We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite method using a series of frames as a single png image with great results. If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control: http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepear th http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepea rthchangeSetId=37658#584181 changeSetId=37658#584181 (I really should start blogging all this stuff...) John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: xaml icons When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only the size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for small icons this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this area, but it's something I would try to test/google before going with that approach. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.au wrote: Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: http://www.iconfinder.net http://www.iconfinder.net/ as it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for commercial use. Even an API in there J I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I'm back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: xaml icons Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/sign atureline@middle? Image removed by sender. ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com image001.jpg___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: xaml icons
Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful waste of CPU :) no matter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using caching them as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that convert them to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get away with just JPG that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's no Alpha to deal with by Silverlight. As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold of who specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting .AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given Expression Blend has import capabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convert ping me as i'd be curious to see why. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: xaml icons We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite method using a series of frames as a single png image with great results. If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control: http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepearthchangeSetId=37658#584181 (I really should start blogging all this stuff...) John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: xaml icons When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only the size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for small icons this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this area, but it's something I would try to test/google before going with that approach. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.aumailto:j...@soulsolutions.com.au wrote: Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: http://www.iconfinder.nethttp://www.iconfinder.net/ as it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for commercial use. Even an API in there :) I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I'm back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: xaml icons Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.comhttp://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? [cid:image001.jpg@01CABF9F.2E8517A0]http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline@middle? ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.comhttp://www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com inline: image001.jpg___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: xaml icons
Expression Design's export to Photoshop PSD is awesome too. I've been able to knock up vector images in Design, export to Photoshop, tweak and save in ico/jpg with great success. Expression rocks. Carl. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.net Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 1:43 PM To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: xaml icons Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful waste of CPU J no matter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using caching them as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that convert them to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get away with just JPG that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's no Alpha to deal with by Silverlight. As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold of who specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting .AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given Expression Blend has import capabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convert ping me as i'd be curious to see why. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: xaml icons We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite method using a series of frames as a single png image with great results. If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control: http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=dee pearthchangeSetId=37658#584181 (I really should start blogging all this stuff...) John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: xaml icons When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only the size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for small icons this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this area, but it's something I would try to test/google before going with that approach. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.au wrote: Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: http://www.iconfinder.net http://www.iconfinder.net/ as it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for commercial use. Even an API in there J I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I'm back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: xaml icons Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? Image removed by sender. http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/ signatureline@middle? ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: xaml icons
That is a really good point Scott, my prototypes are out of date as they were back in Silverlight2 pre-bitmap caching. I bet they would perform significantly better now. Not sure how useful jpg icons are unless you plan on knowing the exact colour/gradient of the background in advance. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 3:43 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: xaml icons Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful waste of CPU J no matter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using caching them as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that convert them to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get away with just JPG that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's no Alpha to deal with by Silverlight. As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold of who specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting .AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given Expression Blend has import capabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convert ping me as i'd be curious to see why. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: xaml icons We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite method using a series of frames as a single png image with great results. If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control: http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepear th http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepea rthchangeSetId=37658#584181 changeSetId=37658#584181 (I really should start blogging all this stuff...) John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: xaml icons When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only the size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for small icons this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this area, but it's something I would try to test/google before going with that approach. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.au wrote: Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: http://www.iconfinder.net http://www.iconfinder.net/ as it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for commercial use. Even an API in there J I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I'm back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: xaml icons Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/sign atureline@middle? Image removed by sender. ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com image001.jpg___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: xaml icons
Agree, Go for the resource that you can get easily - Icon libs rock anyways... how many hours can you waste looking through awesome icons when you should be writing code... I've crapped hundreds of hours away :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris (Automatic Studio) Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 3:23 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: xaml icons While being able to scale vector icons might seem like an advantage, in my experience if you plan to use icons at various sizes it is hard to produce one icon that has the right level of detail to look right at various sizes. Therefore, whether vector or bitmap, chances are you'll be designing different versions of the same icon for different sizes. Shane Shane Morris | Automatic Studiohttp://www.automaticstudio.com.au/ | sh...@automaticstudio.com.aumailto:sh...@automaticstudio.com.au | +61 438 818 888 From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 2:37 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: xaml icons openclipart.orghttp://openclipart.org has some good images in SVG format which you can convert to xaml. The images are a bit hit and miss, some are great, some not so much. Joseph On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Vishwanath Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.commailto:vhu...@rediffmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.comhttp://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlighthttp://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline@middle? http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline@middle? ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: RE: xaml icons
Lots of great advice.nbsp; I don't think I will contemplate doing icons as xaml any longer for the variety of reasons mentioned. I am curious though.nbsp; When it comes to the performance issue, what is the difference between the rest of my xaml UI and the icons?nbsp; Is it the case that drawing and scaling (if required) say : lt;Canvas Height=100 Width=100gt; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; lt;Path Fill={StaticResource SomeLinearGradientBrush}...gt; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; . nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; lt;/Pathgt; lt;/Canvasgt; is a lot more cpu expensive than : lt;Grid Background=StaticResource SomeLinearGradientBrush Height=100 Width=100gt; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; lt;/Gridgt; Does it consume a lot of cpu plotting and scaling all the points on the path?nbsp; Which is not the case for buttons, grids, textblocks? Is the text rendering engine a lot more efficient generating the display than processing a path? On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:33:47 +0530 wrote gt;Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful wasteof CPU J nomatter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using cachingthem as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that convertthem to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get away withjust JPG that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's no Alphato deal with by Silverlight.As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold ofwho specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting.AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given ex-pression Blend has importcapabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convertping me as i'd be curious to see why.From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of JohnOBrien gt;Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM gt;To: 'ozSilverlight' gt;Subject: RE: xaml iconsWe ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were usinghundreds of these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose’ssprite method using a series of frames as a single png image with greatresults.If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control:http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepearthamp;changeSetId=37658#584181(I really should start blogging all this stuff...)John.From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of MiguelMadero gt;Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM gt;To: ozSilverlight gt;Subject: Re: xaml iconsWhen using complex vector graphics, Ithinkyou should consider not only the size, but also the CPU impact itmight have. I would hope that for small icons this won't be an issue. I don'thave experience in this area, but it's something I would try to test/googlebefore going with that approach. gt;On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, JohnOBrien lt;j...@soulsolutions.com.augt;wrote:Icons are really timeconsuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: http://www.iconfinder.netas it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed forcommercial use. Even an API in there JI started out thinkingeverything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so it can scale to anysize but found it way too difficult to create, I’m back to just using nice PNGimages. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector format then ex-pressiondesign should be able to convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizesremember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what thefilesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond128x128px or 64x64px size.John.From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]on Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy gt;Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM gt;To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com gt;Subject: xaml iconsDoes anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xamlicons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphicsdesigner by my side. gt; gt;I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do needsomething to convert : gt; gt;http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx gt; gt;I also had hopes for this visio -gt; xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : gt;http://visioautomation.codeplex.com gt; gt;Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I shouldjust invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? gt;___ gt;ozsilverlight mailing list gt;ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com gt;http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight gt; gt;-- gt;Miguel A. Madero Reyes gt;www.miguelmadero.com (blog) gt;m...@miguelmadero.com___ gt;ozsilverlight mailing list gt;ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
RE: RE: xaml icons
From memory the new text rendering engine makes use of the OS level to help render that out visually (i think it actually uses clear type or a subset of it anyway). When you do a process path approach, you're not using the text renderer at all and are essentially generating a vector shape that happens to look like TEXT (ie much the same way as a circle etc). From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:30 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: RE: xaml icons Lots of great advice. I don't think I will contemplate doing icons as xaml any longer for the variety of reasons mentioned. I am curious though. When it comes to the performance issue, what is the difference between the rest of my xaml UI and the icons? Is it the case that drawing and scaling (if required) say : Canvas Height=100 Width=100 Path Fill={StaticResource SomeLinearGradientBrush}... . /Path /Canvas is a lot more cpu expensive than : Grid Background=StaticResource SomeLinearGradientBrush Height=100 Width=100 /Grid Does it consume a lot of cpu plotting and scaling all the points on the path? Which is not the case for buttons, grids, textblocks? Is the text rendering engine a lot more efficient generating the display than processing a path? On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:33:47 +0530 wrote Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful wasteof CPU ☺ nomatter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using cachingthem as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that convertthem to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get away withjust JPG that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's no Alphato deal with by Silverlight. As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold ofwho specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting.AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given ex-pression Blend has importcapabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convertping me as i'd be curious to see why. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of JohnOBrien Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: xaml icons We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were usinghundreds of these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose’ssprite method using a series of frames as a single png image with greatresults. If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control: http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepearthchangeSetId=37658#584181http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fdeepearth%2Ecodeplex%2Ecom%2Fsourcecontrol%2Fnetwork%2FShow%3FprojectName%3Ddeepearth%26amp%3BchangeSetId%3D37658%23584181isImage=0BlockImage=0 (I really should start blogging all this stuff...) John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of MiguelMadero Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: xaml icons When using complex vector graphics, Ithinkyou should consider not only the size, but also the CPU impact itmight have. I would hope that for small icons this won't be an issue. I don'thave experience in this area, but it's something I would try to test/googlebefore going with that approach. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, JohnOBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.au/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=j...@soulsolutions.com.auoutput=webels=2e176912d075299f49c2b4025e4c86f6wrote: Icons are really timeconsuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: http://www.iconfinder.nethttp://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eiconfinder%2Enet%2FisImage=0BlockImage=0as it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed forcommercial use. Even an API in there ☺ I started out thinkingeverything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so it can scale to anysize but found it way too difficult to create, I’m back to just using nice PNGimages. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector format then ex-pressiondesign should be able to convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizesremember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what thefilesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond128x128px or 64x64px size. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.comoutput=webels=2e176912d075299f49c2b4025e4c86f6[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.comoutput=webels=2e176912d075299f49c2b4025e4c86f6]On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM