RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread John OBrien
Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: 
http://www.iconfinder.net as it has good quality free icons with a filter to 
show the ones allowed for commercial use. Even an API in there J

 

I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so 
it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I’m back to 
just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector 
format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML, when 
comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend 
comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to 
scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size.

 

John.

 

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Subject: xaml icons

 

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I can do 
them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side.

I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need 
something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ 

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should 
just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget 
about it ?

 
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Re: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Stephen Price
I've done Xaml icons in the past. I break out Expression Design and then cut
and paste them into Blend to get xaml versions.

Embrace your inner Devigner. Don't resist it, or be ashamed. We're a rare
breed. We're the bridge between those who design but shall not code and
those coders with UI skills of a baby in a tumble dryer. :)

cheers,
Stephen

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM, carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au wrote:

  I tend to use Icon Experience as a base for all my icons (paid
 resource).  If I need to, I make alterations in Photoshop and save them out
 as icon files (using an addin).



 But then again I’m a devigner (*retches at term*) so it doesn’t take me
 long to belt them out.



 Carl.



 Carl Scarlett

 Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

 *IT Applications Delivery |** **Bankwest*

 A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

 P: (08) 9449 8703

 M: 0408 913 870

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 *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 March 2010 8:56 AM
 *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
 *Subject:* xaml icons



 Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I can
 do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my
 side.

 I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do
 need something to convert :

 http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

 I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine :
 http://visioautomation.codeplex.com

 Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I
 should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/and 
 forget about it ?

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RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Carl . Scarlett
Don't get me wrong; I love being a devigner and wouldn't have it any
other way.

 

I -do- hate the word devigner though.  It makes us sound like a geeky
zealot or something.

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Price step...@perthprojects.com
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:58 AM
To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: xaml icons

 

I've done Xaml icons in the past. I break out Expression Design and then
cut and paste them into Blend to get xaml versions. 

 

Embrace your inner Devigner. Don't resist it, or be ashamed. We're a
rare breed. We're the bridge between those who design but shall not code
and those coders with UI skills of a baby in a tumble dryer. :)

 

cheers,

Stephen

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM, carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au wrote:

I tend to use Icon Experience as a base for all my icons (paid
resource).  If I need to, I make alterations in Photoshop and save them
out as icon files (using an addin).

 

But then again I'm a devigner (*retches at term*) so it doesn't take me
long to belt them out.

 

Carl.

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

 

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Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 8:56 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: xaml icons

 

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I
can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer
by my side.

I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you
do need something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my
machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ 

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I
should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/
and forget about it ?

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Re: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Stephen Price
Fair enough. :)

Coin a better one then? It's actually not too bad, if you consider the
alternative of Deseloper. Perhaps there's a more accurate word that's not a
hybrid of two others.
I find most people have both design and develop skills but sit in different
spots along the Designer to Developer curve. Sitting in the middle is no
better or worse than being at one or other end, its just different.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:02 AM, carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au wrote:

  Don’t get me wrong; I love being a devigner and wouldn’t have it any
 other way.



 I -do- hate the word “devigner” though.  It makes us sound like a geeky
 zealot or something.



 Carl.



 *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
 ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price 
 step...@perthprojects.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:58 AM
 *To:* ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
 *Subject:* Re: xaml icons



 I've done Xaml icons in the past. I break out Expression Design and then
 cut and paste them into Blend to get xaml versions.



 Embrace your inner Devigner. Don't resist it, or be ashamed. We're a rare
 breed. We're the bridge between those who design but shall not code and
 those coders with UI skills of a baby in a tumble dryer. :)



 cheers,

 Stephen

 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM, carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au wrote:

 I tend to use Icon Experience as a base for all my icons (paid resource).
 If I need to, I make alterations in Photoshop and save them out as icon
 files (using an addin).



 But then again I’m a devigner (*retches at term*) so it doesn’t take me
 long to belt them out.



 Carl.



 Carl Scarlett

 Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

 *IT Applications Delivery |** **Bankwest*

 A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

 P: (08) 9449 8703

 M: 0408 913 870

 E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au









 *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
 ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Vishwanath Humpy 
 vhu...@rediffmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 March 2010 8:56 AM
 *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
 *Subject:* xaml icons



 Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I can
 do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my
 side.

 I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do
 need something to convert :

 http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

 I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine :
 http://visioautomation.codeplex.com

 Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I
 should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/and 
 forget about it ?

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Re: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Joseph Cooney
openclipart.org has some good images in SVG format which you can convert to
xaml. The images are a bit hit and miss, some are great, some not so much.

Joseph

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Vishwanath Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I can
 do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my
 side.

 I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do
 need something to convert :

 http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

 I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine :
 http://visioautomation.codeplex.com

 Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I
 should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/and 
 forget about it ?


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RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Shane Morris (Automatic Studio)
While being able to scale vector icons might seem like an advantage, in my
experience if you plan to use icons at various sizes it is hard to produce
one icon that has the right level of detail to look right at various sizes.
Therefore, whether vector or bitmap, chances are you'll be designing
different versions of the same icon for different sizes.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 2:37 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: xaml icons

 

openclipart.org has some good images in SVG format which you can convert to
xaml. The images are a bit hit and miss, some are great, some not so much.

Joseph

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Vishwanath Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.com
wrote:

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I can do
them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my
side.

I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do
need something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ 

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should
just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget
about it ?

 
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RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread John OBrien
We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of
these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite
method using a series of frames as a single png image with great results.

 

If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control:

http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepear
th
http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepea
rthchangeSetId=37658#584181 changeSetId=37658#584181

(I really should start blogging all this stuff...)

 

John.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: xaml icons

 

When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only the
size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for small
icons this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this area, but it's
something I would try to test/google before going with that approach. 

 


 

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.au
wrote:

Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site:
http://www.iconfinder.net http://www.iconfinder.net/  as it has good
quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for commercial
use. Even an API in there J

 

I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML
so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I'm
back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a
vector format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML,
when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do
recommend comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you
need them to scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size.

 

John.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath
Humpy
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM 


To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: xaml icons

 

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I can do
them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my
side. 



I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do
need something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ 

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should
just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget
about it ?

 
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RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Scott Barnes
Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful waste of CPU :) no 
matter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using caching 
them as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that convert 
them to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get away with 
just JPG that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's no Alpha 
to deal with by Silverlight.

As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold of who specialise 
in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting .AI/.EPS files 
to XAML is an easy task given Expression Blend has import capabilities for this 
kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convert ping me as i'd be curious 
to see why.



From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: xaml icons

We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of these 
on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite method using 
a series of frames as a single png image with great results.

If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control:
http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepearthchangeSetId=37658#584181
(I really should start blogging all this stuff...)

John.

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: xaml icons

When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only the 
size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for small icons 
this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this area, but it's 
something I would try to test/google before going with that approach.



On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien 
j...@soulsolutions.com.aumailto:j...@soulsolutions.com.au wrote:
Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: 
http://www.iconfinder.nethttp://www.iconfinder.net/ as it has good quality 
free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for commercial use. Even an 
API in there :)

I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so 
it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I'm back to 
just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector 
format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML, when 
comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend 
comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to 
scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size.

John.

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 On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM

To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: xaml icons

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I can do 
them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side.


I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need 
something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.comhttp://visioautomation.codeplex.com/

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should 
just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget 
about it ?
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RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Carl . Scarlett
Expression Design's export to Photoshop PSD is awesome too.  I've been
able to knock up vector images in Design, export to Photoshop, tweak and
save in ico/jpg with great success.

 

Expression rocks.

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes scott.bar...@readify.net
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 1:43 PM
To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: RE: xaml icons

 

Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful waste of CPU J
no matter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using
caching them as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly
failing that convert them to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as
well, if you can get away with just JPG that is also a lot smoother and
more perf gain, given there's no Alpha to deal with by Silverlight.

 

As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold of who
specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine.
Converting .AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given Expression Blend
has import capabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get
one to convert ping me as i'd be curious to see why.

 

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John
OBrien
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: xaml icons

 

We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of
these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite
method using a series of frames as a single png image with great
results.

 

If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control:

http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=dee
pearthchangeSetId=37658#584181

(I really should start blogging all this stuff...)

 

John.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel
Madero
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: xaml icons

 

When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only
the size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for
small icons this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this
area, but it's something I would try to test/google before going with
that approach. 

 


 

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.au
wrote:

Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this
site: http://www.iconfinder.net http://www.iconfinder.net/  as it has
good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for
commercial use. Even an API in there J

 

I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based
XAML so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to
create, I'm back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a
kit of icons in a vector format then expression design should be able to
convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml
will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what the filesize will be in
xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond 128x128px or
64x64px size.

 

John.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath
Humpy
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM 


To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: xaml icons

 

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I
can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer
by my side. 



I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you
do need something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my
machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ 

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I
should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/
and forget about it ?

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RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread John OBrien
That is a really good point Scott, my prototypes are out of date as they
were back in Silverlight2 pre-bitmap caching. I bet they would perform
significantly better now. Not sure how useful jpg icons are unless you plan
on knowing the exact colour/gradient of the background in advance.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 3:43 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: xaml icons

 

Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful waste of CPU J no
matter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using caching
them as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that
convert them to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can
get away with just JPG that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given
there's no Alpha to deal with by Silverlight.

 

As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold of who
specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting
.AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given Expression Blend has import
capabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convert
ping me as i'd be curious to see why.

 

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: xaml icons

 

We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of
these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite
method using a series of frames as a single png image with great results.

 

If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control:

http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepear
th
http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepea
rthchangeSetId=37658#584181 changeSetId=37658#584181

(I really should start blogging all this stuff...)

 

John.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: xaml icons

 

When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only the
size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for small
icons this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this area, but it's
something I would try to test/google before going with that approach. 

 


 

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.au
wrote:

Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site:
http://www.iconfinder.net http://www.iconfinder.net/  as it has good
quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for commercial
use. Even an API in there J

 

I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML
so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I'm
back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a
vector format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML,
when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do
recommend comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you
need them to scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size.

 

John.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath
Humpy
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM 


To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: xaml icons

 

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I can do
them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my
side. 



I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do
need something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ 

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should
just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget
about it ?

 
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RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Jordan Knight
Agree,

Go for the resource that you can get easily - Icon libs rock anyways... how 
many hours can you waste looking through awesome icons when you should be 
writing code... I've crapped hundreds of hours away :)

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris 
(Automatic Studio)
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 3:23 PM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: xaml icons

While being able to scale vector icons might seem like an advantage, in my 
experience if you plan to use icons at various sizes it is hard to produce one 
icon that has the right level of detail to look right at various sizes. 
Therefore, whether vector or bitmap, chances are you'll be designing different 
versions of the same icon for different sizes.

Shane

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 2:37 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: xaml icons

openclipart.orghttp://openclipart.org has some good images in SVG format 
which you can convert to xaml. The images are a bit hit and miss, some are 
great, some not so much.

Joseph
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Vishwanath Humpy 
vhu...@rediffmail.commailto:vhu...@rediffmail.com wrote:
Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I can do 
them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side.

I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need 
something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.comhttp://visioautomation.codeplex.com/

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should 
just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget 
about it ?


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Re: RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Vishwanath Humpy
 Lots of great advice.nbsp; I don't think I will contemplate doing icons as 
xaml any longer for the variety of reasons mentioned.

I am curious though.nbsp; When it comes to the performance issue, what is the 
difference between the rest of my xaml UI and the icons?nbsp; Is it the case 
that drawing and scaling (if required) say :

lt;Canvas Height=100 Width=100gt;
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; lt;Path Fill={StaticResource 
SomeLinearGradientBrush}...gt;
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; .
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; lt;/Pathgt;
lt;/Canvasgt;

is a lot more cpu expensive than :

lt;Grid Background=StaticResource SomeLinearGradientBrush Height=100 
Width=100gt;
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; 
lt;/Gridgt;

Does it consume a lot of cpu plotting and scaling all the points on the 
path?nbsp; Which is not the case for buttons, grids, textblocks?

Is the text rendering engine a lot more efficient generating the display than 
processing a path?

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:33:47 +0530  wrote
gt;Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful wasteof CPU J 
nomatter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using 
cachingthem as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that 
convertthem to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get 
away withjust JPG that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's 
no Alphato deal with by Silverlight.As for XAML ICON designers, any designer 
you can get a hold ofwho specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) 
are fine. Converting.AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given ex-pression 
Blend has importcapabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get 
one to convertping me as i'd be curious to see why.From: 
ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]
 On Behalf Of JohnOBrien
gt;Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM
gt;To: 'ozSilverlight'
gt;Subject: RE: xaml iconsWe ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we 
were usinghundreds of these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched 
to Jose’ssprite method using a series of frames as a single png image with 
greatresults.If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable 
control:http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepearthamp;changeSetId=37658#584181(I
 really should start blogging all this stuff...)John.From: 
ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]
 On Behalf Of MiguelMadero
gt;Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM
gt;To: ozSilverlight
gt;Subject: Re: xaml iconsWhen using complex vector graphics, Ithinkyou should 
consider not only the size, but also the CPU impact itmight have. I would hope 
that for small icons this won't be an issue. I don'thave experience in this 
area, but it's something I would try to test/googlebefore going with that 
approach. 
gt;On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, JohnOBrien 
lt;j...@soulsolutions.com.augt;wrote:Icons are really timeconsuming for a 
graphic designer, I like this site: http://www.iconfinder.netas it has good 
quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed forcommercial use. 
Even an API in there JI started out thinkingeverything in Silverlight should be 
vector based XAML so it can scale to anysize but found it way too difficult to 
create, I’m back to just using nice PNGimages. That said if you get a kit of 
icons in a vector format then ex-pressiondesign should be able to convert them 
to XAML, when comparing filesizesremember that the xaml will be zipped. I do 
recommend comparing what thefilesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you 
need them to scale beyond128x128px or 64x64px size.John.From: 
ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]on
 Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy
gt;Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM 
gt;To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
gt;Subject: xaml iconsDoes anyone know of any good free or paid resource for 
xamlicons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a 
graphicsdesigner by my side. 
gt;
gt;I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do 
needsomething to convert :
gt;
gt;http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx
gt;
gt;I also had hopes for this visio -gt; xaml but it doesn't work on my 
machine :
gt;http://visioautomation.codeplex.com
gt;
gt;Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I 
shouldjust invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and 
forget about it ?
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RE: RE: xaml icons

2010-03-08 Thread Scott Barnes
From memory the new text rendering engine makes use of the OS level to help 
render that out visually (i think it actually uses clear type or a subset of it 
anyway). When you do a process path approach, you're not using the text 
renderer at all and are essentially generating a vector shape that happens to 
look like TEXT (ie much the same way as a circle etc).




From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:30 PM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: RE: xaml icons

Lots of great advice.  I don't think I will contemplate doing icons as xaml any 
longer for the variety of reasons mentioned.

I am curious though.  When it comes to the performance issue, what is the 
difference between the rest of my xaml UI and the icons?  Is it the case that 
drawing and scaling (if required) say :

Canvas Height=100 Width=100
Path Fill={StaticResource SomeLinearGradientBrush}...
.
/Path
/Canvas

is a lot more cpu expensive than :

Grid Background=StaticResource SomeLinearGradientBrush Height=100 
Width=100

/Grid

Does it consume a lot of cpu plotting and scaling all the points on the path?  
Which is not the case for buttons, grids, textblocks?

Is the text rendering engine a lot more efficient generating the display than 
processing a path?

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:33:47 +0530 wrote

Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful wasteof CPU ☺ nomatter 
how big/small they are in density. You should consider using cachingthem as 
bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that convertthem to 
pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get away withjust JPG 
that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's no Alphato deal 
with by Silverlight.
As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold ofwho specialise in 
Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting.AI/.EPS files to 
XAML is an easy task given ex-pression Blend has importcapabilities for this 
kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convertping me as i'd be curious 
to see why.
From: 
ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]
 On Behalf Of JohnOBrien
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: xaml icons
We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were usinghundreds of these on 
a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose’ssprite method using a 
series of frames as a single png image with greatresults.
If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control:
http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepearthchangeSetId=37658#584181http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fdeepearth%2Ecodeplex%2Ecom%2Fsourcecontrol%2Fnetwork%2FShow%3FprojectName%3Ddeepearth%26amp%3BchangeSetId%3D37658%23584181isImage=0BlockImage=0
(I really should start blogging all this stuff...)
John.
From: 
ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]
 On Behalf Of MiguelMadero
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: xaml icons
When using complex vector graphics, Ithinkyou should consider not only the 
size, but also the CPU impact itmight have. I would hope that for small icons 
this won't be an issue. I don'thave experience in this area, but it's something 
I would try to test/googlebefore going with that approach.


On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, JohnOBrien 
j...@soulsolutions.com.au/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=j...@soulsolutions.com.auoutput=webels=2e176912d075299f49c2b4025e4c86f6wrote:
Icons are really timeconsuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: 
http://www.iconfinder.nethttp://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eiconfinder%2Enet%2FisImage=0BlockImage=0as
 it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed 
forcommercial use. Even an API in there ☺
I started out thinkingeverything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so 
it can scale to anysize but found it way too difficult to create, I’m back to 
just using nice PNGimages. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector 
format then ex-pressiondesign should be able to convert them to XAML, when 
comparing filesizesremember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend 
comparing what thefilesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to 
scale beyond128x128px or 64x64px size.
John.
From: 
ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.comoutput=webels=2e176912d075299f49c2b4025e4c86f6[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.comoutput=webels=2e176912d075299f49c2b4025e4c86f6]On
 Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM