Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

[David Burela]

One issue i have with the bing map control, is that when you zoom in past the 
level where there is data, you get the "no image" icon everywhere.
Is there any way to keep the last real data, but still zoom in. Sure it would 
be pixelated, but that is preferable over showing nothing

David Burela
Readify | Senior Developer
Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia
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VS2010 SL2

[Stephen Price]

Hey all,
I was playing around tonight with VS2010 and following Tim's post here (
http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/05/20/silverlight-and-visual-studio-2010-beta.aspx)
I thought I'd try to get the multi-target support working.
No go, I installed SL2 SDK and then Installed SL3 SDK (and got the option to
uninstall or repair. I selected repair). I then uninstalled Silverlight
runtime so I could install the Silverlight 3.0 Developer runtime.

Tried to create a Silverlight 3.5 (as in .net 3.5) project, and still only
have the option to select a Silverlight 3.0 app. So Silverlight 2.0 in the
dropdown.

any other suggestions?

cheers,
Stephen
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RE: VS2010 SL2

[Tim Heuer]

Silverlight 2 development is not supported in VS2010.

-th

Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im: t...@timheuer.com
blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: 
@timheuer

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:34 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: VS2010 SL2

Hey all,

I was playing around tonight with VS2010 and following Tim's post here 
(http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/05/20/silverlight-and-visual-studio-2010-beta.aspx)
 I thought I'd try to get the multi-target support working.
No go, I installed SL2 SDK and then Installed SL3 SDK (and got the option to 
uninstall or repair. I selected repair). I then uninstalled Silverlight runtime 
so I could install the Silverlight 3.0 Developer runtime.

Tried to create a Silverlight 3.5 (as in .net 3.5) project, and still only have 
the option to select a Silverlight 3.0 app. So Silverlight 2.0 in the dropdown.

any other suggestions?

cheers,
Stephen
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RE: VS2010 SL2

[Peter Gfader www . ssw . com . au]

Hi Tim

Not yet (in beta2)?
OR
generally not supported?

.peter.gfader.

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 3:04 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

Silverlight 2 development is not supported in VS2010.

-th

Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im: t...@timheuer.com
blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: 
@timheuer

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:34 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: VS2010 SL2

Hey all,

I was playing around tonight with VS2010 and following Tim's post here 
(http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/05/20/silverlight-and-visual-studio-2010-beta.aspx)
 I thought I'd try to get the multi-target support working.
No go, I installed SL2 SDK and then Installed SL3 SDK (and got the option to 
uninstall or repair. I selected repair). I then uninstalled Silverlight runtime 
so I could install the Silverlight 3.0 Developer runtime.

Tried to create a Silverlight 3.5 (as in .net 3.5) project, and still only have 
the option to select a Silverlight 3.0 app. So Silverlight 2.0 in the dropdown.

any other suggestions?

cheers,
Stephen
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RE: VS2010 SL2

[Tim Heuer]

Generally not supported.

Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im: t...@timheuer.com
blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: 
@timheuer

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gfader 
www.ssw.com.au
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:17 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

Hi Tim

Not yet (in beta2)?
OR
generally not supported?

.peter.gfader.

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 3:04 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

Silverlight 2 development is not supported in VS2010.

-th

Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im: t...@timheuer.com
blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: 
@timheuer

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:34 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: VS2010 SL2

Hey all,

I was playing around tonight with VS2010 and following Tim's post here 
(http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/05/20/silverlight-and-visual-studio-2010-beta.aspx)
 I thought I'd try to get the multi-target support working.
No go, I installed SL2 SDK and then Installed SL3 SDK (and got the option to 
uninstall or repair. I selected repair). I then uninstalled Silverlight runtime 
so I could install the Silverlight 3.0 Developer runtime.

Tried to create a Silverlight 3.5 (as in .net 3.5) project, and still only have 
the option to select a Silverlight 3.0 app. So Silverlight 2.0 in the dropdown.

any other suggestions?

cheers,
Stephen
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RE: Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

[John OBrien]

It's a known issue David, we're solving this currently on the server side.
For performance in our pilot intranet application we put a tilehandler
between the application and the real tiles, we're caching tiles in SQL2008.
>From here it wasn't too hard to detect no-image tiles then recursively fetch
the tile above, resize and crop (and then cache as well).

 

My understanding is that a fix will be provided for the final release but it
will rely on knowing where the imagery is in advance. Typically this is not
compatible with your custom imagery overlays so it will be interesting to
see the solution in the coming months.

 

John.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:53 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

 

One issue i have with the bing map control, is that when you zoom in past
the level where there is data, you get the "no image" icon everywhere.

Is there any way to keep the last real data, but still zoom in. Sure it
would be pixelated, but that is preferable over showing nothing

 

David Burela
Readify | Senior Developer

Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia 
M: +61 (0)407 363 860 | E: david.bur...@readify.net| W:
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RE: VS2010 SL2

[John OBrien]

Tim, have you tried / is it possible to have VS2008 still configured for SL2
and VS2010 for SL3 on the same machine?

We're still waiting for corporate clients to roll out SL3 updates, once that
happens I'll wipe all knowledge of SL2 but until then

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 7:36 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

 

Generally not supported.

 

Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im:   t...@timheuer.com

blog:   http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter:
 @timheuer

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gfader
www.ssw.com.au
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:17 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

 


Hi Tim


 

Not yet (in beta2)? 

OR 

generally not supported?

 

.peter.gfader.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 3:04 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

 

Silverlight 2 development is not supported in VS2010.

 

-th

 

Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im:   t...@timheuer.com

blog:   http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter:
 @timheuer

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:34 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: VS2010 SL2

 

Hey all,

 

I was playing around tonight with VS2010 and following Tim's post here
(http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/05/20/silverlight-and-visual-studio-2
010-beta.aspx) I thought I'd try to get the multi-target support working. 

No go, I installed SL2 SDK and then Installed SL3 SDK (and got the option to
uninstall or repair. I selected repair). I then uninstalled Silverlight
runtime so I could install the Silverlight 3.0 Developer runtime. 

 

Tried to create a Silverlight 3.5 (as in .net 3.5) project, and still only
have the option to select a Silverlight 3.0 app. So Silverlight 2.0 in the
dropdown. 

 

any other suggestions? 

 

cheers,

Stephen

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RE: Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

[David Burela]

How about an interim fix? Are we able to detect client side if the tiles aren't 
available past a certain zoom level, so we can lock the zoom?

i.e. zoom factor 17 has tiles, they then try to zoom to 18. There aren't any 
tiles, so we manually set the zoom level back to 17?

David Burela
Readify | Senior Developer
Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia
M: +61 (0)407 363 860 | E: 
david.bur...@readify.net| W: 
www.readify.net

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien 
[j...@soulsolutions.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 10:30 AM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

It’s a known issue David, we’re solving this currently on the server side. For 
performance in our pilot intranet application we put a tilehandler between the 
application and the real tiles, we’re caching tiles in SQL2008. From here it 
wasn’t too hard to detect no-image tiles then recursively fetch the tile above, 
resize and crop (and then cache as well).

My understanding is that a fix will be provided for the final release but it 
will rely on knowing where the imagery is in advance. Typically this is not 
compatible with your custom imagery overlays so it will be interesting to see 
the solution in the coming months.

John.

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:53 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

One issue i have with the bing map control, is that when you zoom in past the 
level where there is data, you get the "no image" icon everywhere.
Is there any way to keep the last real data, but still zoom in. Sure it would 
be pixelated, but that is preferable over showing nothing

David Burela
Readify | Senior Developer
Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia
M: +61 (0)407 363 860 | E: 
david.bur...@readify.net| W: 
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RE: VS2010 SL2

[Tim Heuer]

I haven't tried that concept, but in theory you can do it.  The problem will be 
that you may have to manually modify the build targets of the *proj file.

-th

Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im: t...@timheuer.com
blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: 
@timheuer

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:35 PM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

Tim, have you tried / is it possible to have VS2008 still configured for SL2 
and VS2010 for SL3 on the same machine?
We're still waiting for corporate clients to roll out SL3 updates, once that 
happens I'll wipe all knowledge of SL2 but until then

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 7:36 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

Generally not supported.

Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im: t...@timheuer.com
blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: 
@timheuer

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gfader 
www.ssw.com.au
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:17 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

Hi Tim

Not yet (in beta2)?
OR
generally not supported?

.peter.gfader.

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 3:04 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: VS2010 SL2

Silverlight 2 development is not supported in VS2010.

-th

Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im: t...@timheuer.com
blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: 
@timheuer

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com 
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:34 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: VS2010 SL2

Hey all,

I was playing around tonight with VS2010 and following Tim's post here 
(http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/05/20/silverlight-and-visual-studio-2010-beta.aspx)
 I thought I'd try to get the multi-target support working.
No go, I installed SL2 SDK and then Installed SL3 SDK (and got the option to 
uninstall or repair. I selected repair). I then uninstalled Silverlight runtime 
so I could install the Silverlight 3.0 Developer runtime.

Tried to create a Silverlight 3.5 (as in .net 3.5) project, and still only have 
the option to select a Silverlight 3.0 app. So Silverlight 2.0 in the dropdown.

any other suggestions?

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RE: Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

[John OBrien]

My experience with the MultiScaleImage control (underlying control in the
Map Control) is that all you get is the call for a tile (X,Y,Z), you supply
the URI not the actual image. If you supply null it won't render but you
would need to know in advance of the request what tiles are not available.

 

My server side solution work after the request, detecting the "no-image"
tile based on its unique size in bytes and then supplying the rescaled tile.
I have tried to get something like this to work on the client side with no
luck. If you can find a way to supply an image rather than a URI to the
MSI's request then it would be possible.

 

That all said, the default aerial modes have a general set of regions set
that it will use to restrict the tiles returned. The control by default
won't let you zoom into some areas. However if you have overridden this for
your own custom imagery to be shown I have a neat set of classes to let you
still use these regions, just ping me out of this List for any code samples
David. I have tonnes of stuff but I'm waiting till the official release to
post it all up.

 

John.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:41 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

 

How about an interim fix? Are we able to detect client side if the tiles
aren't available past a certain zoom level, so we can lock the zoom?

 

i.e. zoom factor 17 has tiles, they then try to zoom to 18. There aren't any
tiles, so we manually set the zoom level back to 17?

 

David Burela
Readify | Senior Developer

Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia 
M: +61 (0)407 363 860 | E: david.bur...@readify.net| W:
 www.readify.net

  _  

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien
[j...@soulsolutions.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 10:30 AM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

It's a known issue David, we're solving this currently on the server side.
For performance in our pilot intranet application we put a tilehandler
between the application and the real tiles, we're caching tiles in SQL2008.
>From here it wasn't too hard to detect no-image tiles then recursively fetch
the tile above, resize and crop (and then cache as well).

 

My understanding is that a fix will be provided for the final release but it
will rely on knowing where the imagery is in advance. Typically this is not
compatible with your custom imagery overlays so it will be interesting to
see the solution in the coming months.

 

John.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:53 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Bing map control - Still showing data when you zoom in too far

 

One issue i have with the bing map control, is that when you zoom in past
the level where there is data, you get the "no image" icon everywhere.

Is there any way to keep the last real data, but still zoom in. Sure it
would be pixelated, but that is preferable over showing nothing

 

David Burela
Readify | Senior Developer

Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia 
M: +61 (0)407 363 860 | E: david.bur...@readify.net| W:
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Re: VS2010 SL2

[Stephen Price]

Could be unrelated issue, but each time I try to install VS2008 onto my
virtual machine (one with VS2010 on it) it blue screens it. ouch!
Am uninstalling VS2010 to see if that will let me install VS2008 or not. May
have to start over with fresh build + VS2008 to do SL2 support.

Thanks for the confirmation SL2 isnt supported in VS2010 anymore, I can stop
trying to make it work now. (seems odd that SL2 was in beta 1 and now not in
beta 2. I guess something happened and a call was made)

cheers,
Stephen

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Tim Heuer  wrote:

> I haven’t tried that concept, but in theory you can do it.  The problem
> will be that you may have to manually modify the build targets of the *proj
> file.
>
>
>
> -th
>
>
>
> *Tim Heuer* *|* (602) 405-4567 | *im*: t...@timheuer.com
>
> *blog*: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | *twitter: 
> *...@timheuer
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *John OBrien
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:35 PM
>
> *To:* 'ozSilverlight'
> *Subject:* RE: VS2010 SL2
>
>
>
> Tim, have you tried / is it possible to have VS2008 still configured for
> SL2 and VS2010 for SL3 on the same machine?
>
> We’re still waiting for corporate clients to roll out SL3 updates, once
> that happens I’ll wipe all knowledge of SL2 but until then
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Heuer
> *Sent:* Friday, 23 October 2009 7:36 AM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* RE: VS2010 SL2
>
>
>
> Generally not supported.
>
>
>
> *Tim Heuer* *|* (602) 405-4567 | *im*: t...@timheuer.com
>
> *blog*: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | *twitter: 
> *...@timheuer
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Gfader
> www.ssw.com.au
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:17 PM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* RE: VS2010 SL2
>
>
> Hi Tim
>
>
>
> Not yet (in beta2)?
>
> OR
>
> generally not supported?
>
>
>
> .peter.gfader.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Heuer
> *Sent:* Friday, 23 October 2009 3:04 AM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* RE: VS2010 SL2
>
>
>
> Silverlight 2 development is not supported in VS2010.
>
>
>
> -th
>
>
>
> *Tim Heuer* *|* (602) 405-4567 | *im*: t...@timheuer.com
>
> *blog*: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | *twitter: 
> *...@timheuer
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:34 AM
> *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
> *Subject:* VS2010 SL2
>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
>
>
> I was playing around tonight with VS2010 and following Tim's post here (
> http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/05/20/silverlight-and-visual-studio-2010-beta.aspx)
> I thought I'd try to get the multi-target support working.
>
> No go, I installed SL2 SDK and then Installed SL3 SDK (and got the option
> to uninstall or repair. I selected repair). I then uninstalled Silverlight
> runtime so I could install the Silverlight 3.0 Developer runtime.
>
>
>
> Tried to create a Silverlight 3.5 (as in .net 3.5) project, and still only
> have the option to select a Silverlight 3.0 app. So Silverlight 2.0 in the
> dropdown.
>
>
>
> any other suggestions?
>
>
>
> cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
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