Re: [PatternFly] Looking for List View usage examples

[Serena Doyle]

+1 for a doc or Google Drive.  The other question is are you looking for
designs or implementation, or both :)

Thanks!
- Serena

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Catherine Robson  wrote:

> Whew.  We have a *lot* of these with many variations across the App Dev
> products.  Is there a document we could toss these into for you rather than
> loading up e-mail with massive files?
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Matt Carrano  wrote:
>
>> Fliers,
>>
>> I'm doing a bit of research on our current usage of list views within
>> products and applications built with PatternFly.  If your project is using
>> the List View pattern (http://www.patternfly.org/pat
>> tern-library/content-views/list-view/), it would be great to get a
>> screen shot or mockup that shows how this is being used.  Specifically, I'm
>> interested in what types of content that you have included in the list and
>> decisions you may have made about formatting that content.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matt
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Re: [Patternfly] 0 results based on the filter criteria

[Serena Doyle]

I may be incorrect, but didn't Allie just talk about a design similar to
this a couple of weeks ago ?

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Catherine Robson  wrote:

> Leslie,
>
> I think the suggestions are already built into our depreciated data
> table.  I think there are three possible suggestions out of this:
>
> For the depreciated table - show a sentence about "0 results found" before
> we just show the suggestions in the depreciated view (If we want to bother
> changing it)
> For the new table - pull "suggestions" forward into this implementation
> For list views - see if we can add suggestions to be similar to table view
>
> - Catherine
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Leslie Hinson  wrote:
>
>> We definitely could use this in PatternFly! I think there are some others
>> that have been doing similar work so I'm glad you reached out here so we
>> can ensure to align.
>>
>> Some general comments... I love the idea of having suggestions.
>>
>>- I could see this being part of the Filter pattern. We still need to
>>add this pattern (other patterns like Toolbar [1] should link to this)
>>- From a PatternFly perspective, we wouldn't be able to provide
>>specifics on what the suggestions are rather provide guidance on HOW to
>>treat suggestions visually as well as an example.
>>- Maybe some additional guidance on the text about using complete
>>sentences, etc. I wonder if these should be bulleted to help readability?
>>- "Suggestions" should be marked as optional.
>>
>>
>> [1] http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/forms-and-controls/toolbar/
>>
>> - Leslie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Tao Zhu  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi team,
>>>
>>>When we do the mockup of integration empty status (iPass). Some user
>>> feedback that:”Can we add an area the suggestions that tells the user that
>>> there are 0 results based on the filter criteria, and then get into
>>> suggestions".
>>>
>>>The suggestions is I duplicated from datatable. I think there may be
>>> meet the similar question to datatable.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [Patternfly] Gantt type charts

[Serena Doyle]

Vince,

I'm not sure of your use case.  Our timeline view (
https://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/data-visualization/timeline/) plots
data points rather than periods of time, so I don't think that would work.

Here is an example based on D3 https://github.com/dk8996/Gantt-Chart which
may work for you though.

- Serena



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Vince Conzola  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a need to include a Gantt type timeline chart in the UI for a
> project I’m working on. I don’t see anything close in the PatternFly
> library or on the Bootstrap website. Leslie suggested I contact the PF
> mailing list to see if anyone has used something similar in their products
> that I might be able to piggy-back off the design. If you’re not familiar
> with Gantt type charts, see these references:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gantt_chart
>
> https://developers.google.com/chart/interactive/docs/gallery/timeline
>
> Thanks for any assistance or guidance.
>
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Re: [Patternfly] Dashboard card

[Serena Doyle]

Sam,

A Card View supports the ability to click on a card to navigate.  The view
optionally supports the ability to "check" multiple cards to perform
actions on them.

- Serena

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Sam Padgett  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Matt Carrano  wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you considered using checkbox select for the cards?  If you look at
>> the Card View pattern in PatternFly you will see that there is an option to
>> use checkbox select for multi-selecting cards.
>>
>
> Thanks, Matt. In this case, you can only select one card, and it navigates
> immediately to a different page.
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Re: [Patternfly] Examples of Communication/Confirmation via modal

[Serena Doyle]

Liz,

Delete confirmation is something that we have tried to standardize in
CloudForms.  I know that there is some need by other products as well ( as
noted in a UXS meeting ).

I actually started an initial proposal for this pattern:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UvnNPrl35osBHR0mr7ACZXhr9qN6nZ2IxI2HEgtnwwE/

I'd be happy to take this notion of modal messaging to cover what you noted
above as part of the breakaway sprint :)

Understanding additional product reqs would be great, to understand if we
need to consider anything else.

Thanks,
- Serena

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Liz Blanchard  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Okay I think this is the last email thread I will start today (but no
> promises). The third pattern that we are considering looking at next week
> is a form of communication that combines the use of notifications with
> modals. We've seen the need in a few products to stop the user and make
> them confirm what's happening. This could be by saying "yes, fine" or
> actually taking an action. Some of these things we've identified so far are
> Delete confirmations, Error confirmations, Warning confirmations, and
> Informational confirmations. A few design ideas [1] have been put together
> on this topic, but it would be great to take this through the whole pattern
> contribution flow.
>
> Does anyone have examples of delete confirmations or other types of modal
> messaging that they are using or looking to use?
>
> Thanks!
> Liz
>
> [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/ix1zl4hpwl3qb07/MessageDialog-
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Re: [Patternfly] Truncation guidance for long names

[Serena Doyle]

Matt, I also agree that we need both methods.  It would be great if we
could provide guidance on when to use which method.

I wonder if the method would also depend on naming conventions used by the
customers.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Catherine Robson 
wrote:

> +1 to needing both end and middle based on the use case.
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Matt Carrano 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The middle truncation is really useful for long path names that will all
>> share the same prefix.  Think about things like files names or disk names
>> that are required to display the full path name.  If out truncate the end,
>> all of the name strings will be identical at a glance.  Middle truncation
>> allows you to see what's different, which is usually at the end of the long
>> string.
>>
>> I would expect that there are some standard algorithms out there for
>> doing this.  End truncation is likely to be the default choice, but I think
>> we need both.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Andres Galante 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Liz,
>>>
>>> That's great information, this is the first time I heard about
>>> truncation in the middle of the word.
>>>
>>> I am sure that middle of the string truncation can be done with
>>> javascript, but CSS only allows to do it at the end of it. I'd say that
>>> unless there is a really good reason to do it in the middle lets try to
>>> avoid JS.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Matt Carrano 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is great, Liz.  I think that your proposed text will add a lot of
 clarity to the choice between these two methods.  Will look forward to
 seeing some examples of truncated names and we can evaluate further.

 Matt

 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Liz Blanchard 
 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've been thinking about truncation a bit and was looking into some UX
> standards on the topic. It's all very much in line with the examples that
> Greg and Ju have given. What do you all think about extending the
> PatternFly "Truncation" section on the Terminology and Wording page [1] to
> include something like the following...
>
>
>>
>>
>> *"Using an ellipsis to truncate a long string is recommended. There
>> are two different methods that could be applied. One is to truncate at 
>> the
>> end of the string "abcdef..." and the other would be to truncate in the
>> middle of the string "abc...ghi".Choose the method on the basis of 
>> whether
>> text at the end or in the middle of the string is more likely to
>> differentiate the item. This would be dependent on the domain.On a 
>> property
>> website, for instance, an address string will usually end 'Road' or
>> 'Street'. So the form 'abc...def' won't be much use as the final 
>> characters
>> will almost always be 'oad' or 'eet', neither of which help the user.If 
>> the
>> answer is not clear, default to the 'abcdef...' form over 'abc...ghi'.
>> Partial words will most likely be easier to guess from the initial
>> characters than the end ones. 'Openi...' is much more recognizable than
>> '...ening', for example."*
>
>
> I'd also like to add in a statement where we suggest the use of the
> tool tip on hover to view the entire string.
>
> I'm working on some specific use cases with the Storage product and we
> definitely are seeing the need for both methods. More commonly, we will be
> using method 1 for things like Cluster Name and Pool Name, but we are
> considering method two for things like Hostname where the end characters
> are important in differentiating the items in the list.
>
> Any further thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks!
> Liz
>
> [1] http://www.patternfly.org/styles/terminology-and-wording/#_
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Andres Galante 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Matt, we definitely need guides around truncation, not only on
>> server names but in general.
>>
>> It's always a grey area how and when to truncate.
>>
>> If working on Tendrl you can come up with some refomendations we can
>> apply them to our patterns.
>>
>> Let me know if I can help in any way, we can test things up in
>> different use cases to see if it works
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Monday, 10 October 2016, Ju Lim  wrote:
>>
>>> This generally works for most names except I've found in certain
>>> contexts from previous experience that truncating in the front made more
>>> sense, e.g. "...xyz" for MAC Addresses and SAN nicknames as it was less
>>> useful doing it as "xyz..." since the beginning portion was repeated a 
>>> lot
>>> and didn't help so 

Re: [Patternfly] PatternFly standard utility bar?

[Serena Doyle]

Matt, There are some conventions that I have been trying to push from our
side ... we have been trying to use (from left to right)


   1. Product Specific (shopping cart in case of Service UI)
   2. Notification Drawer
   3. Help (with a drop down with access to About)
   4. User


Let's chat this afternoon at 1 from a Mgmt Perspective, but I think this
would be great to have in PatternFly as well.  I think that different
products vary interaction with User icon as well.  I'll add this to the
spreadsheet shared by the UXS.

Greg, thanks for sending your info.  We should synch up on this as well!

- Serena


On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Greg Sheremeta  wrote:

> oVirt chiming in. I went off of Kyle and Robb's very first design, and
> we've never changed it, so you could say this is the original design :)
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> We're happy to collaborate and standardize.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Catherine Robson 
> wrote:
>
>> Andres,
>>
>> I think we are all trying to put these links in the masthead and that
>> part is clear from the PatternFly examples and docs.  Matt's point below
>> about options, ordering, etc. is what I think we're interested in seeing if
>> we can standardize on.
>>
>> Looking at various examples, they look quite different (i.e. order of the
>>> items, icons to use, whether user name is to be displayed or not).
>>
>>
>> - Catherine
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Andres Galante 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Matt, I believe that both the horizontal and vertical Nava have those
>>> utility links on the masthead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 20 October 2016, Catherine Robson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a variety happening across projects as well Matt.  We generally
 show user as the right-most item, but then what happens is up for grabs
 project by project for the most part.  I think it also tends to vary based
 on height of the area where the username is placed.  We have a variety of
 headers in play in general, some shorter and some taller.


 On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Matt Carrano 
 wrote:

> I am working on the Tendrl (Storage) console project and need to
> define utility links for the right hand side of the masthead.  
> Specifically
> we need links for About, Notifications, and User.
>
> Do we have a standard for this?   I know we did at one time , but I
> can't find anything on the site.  Looking at various examples, they look
> quite different (i.e. order of the items, icons to use, whether user name
> is to be displayed or not).
>
> Welcome any examples of how you've handled this on your projects, also.
>
> Matt
>
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Re: [Patternfly] Move to Slack

[Serena Doyle]

Ah, yes I meant teams.  Thanks Tiffany for sending along the info!

On Thursday, September 29, 2016, Tiffany Nolan <tno...@redhat.com> wrote:

> I think Serena is asking about being able to sign in and navigate between
> different Slack teams. It's pretty easy to setup and you can quickly jump
> between all your teams from the UI. Here's some more info:
> https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201405046-
> Sign-in-to-multiple-Slack-teams
>
> Kind regards,
>
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>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Andres Galante <agala...@redhat.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','agala...@redhat.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Yes, there are people in gitter also.
>>
>> I'd like to consolidate everything in slack.
>>
>> It would be a new separate team, not a new channel. I don't understand
>> your question, what do you mean by integrate multiple channels?
>>
>> Bootstrap move to slack is a huge success, brining more designers to the
>> discussions and creating a more friendly community than the hardcore IRC
>> one.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andres
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 29 September 2016, Serena Doyle <sdo...@redhat.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sdo...@redhat.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andres,  Aren't a lot of people using gitter as well?
>>>
>>> Per slack, if that's done, I'm assuming that would be another Slack
>>> channel.  How easy/hard is the integration of multiple slack channels?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> - Serena
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Andres Galante <agala...@redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> I want us to move the PatternFly community chat to Slack.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that even though the IRC channel is usually crowded there is not
>>>> enough discussion.
>>>>
>>>> I love IRC but since the UXD team is on Slack, all of our designers and
>>>> most of our developers are on Slack.
>>>>
>>>> By doing that move we would be taking discussion where people are
>>>> enabling more transparent and active discussions.
>>>>
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Re: [Patternfly] Move to Slack

[Serena Doyle]

Andres,  Aren't a lot of people using gitter as well?

Per slack, if that's done, I'm assuming that would be another Slack
channel.  How easy/hard is the integration of multiple slack channels?

Thanks,
- Serena

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> Hi!
>
> I want us to move the PatternFly community chat to Slack.
>
> I feel that even though the IRC channel is usually crowded there is not
> enough discussion.
>
> I love IRC but since the UXD team is on Slack, all of our designers and
> most of our developers are on Slack.
>
> By doing that move we would be taking discussion where people are enabling
> more transparent and active discussions.
>
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Re: [Patternfly] tooltip visual indicator

[Serena Doyle]

Greg,

PatternFly has a Field Level Help pattern [1] which seems to be inline with
your 2nd option.  The Field Level Help pattern also shows a cursor change,
which I don't see in your second example.

Do you think that this pattern would meet your requirements?

Thanks,
- Serena

[1]
http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/forms-and-controls/field-level-help/


On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Greg Sheremeta  wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Re: [1], tooltips.
>
> Prior to PatternFly, we had feature requests for visual indicators for
> tooltips -- something to show the user they can hover and get more
> information. Please see attached screenshots for examples of ways we handle
> this in oVirt. We're actually currently split on two designs, and looking
> for guidance from you as we proceed to implement PatternFly more closely in
> oVirt.
>
> Attachment 1 shows how we use a blue (?) icon.
> Attachment 2 shows how we underline the field name / description with a
> dotted line.
> Attachment 3 shows that in tables (data grids), in column headers that are
> only icons, we currently underline (and have a request to not underline).
>
> So, in any of the above use cases, as well as any others, does PatternFly
> have anything to say about visual indicators for tooltips? In the reference
> doc [1], I didn't see anything mentioning indicators, so I wanted to ask
> the list. Thanks!
>
> Best wishes,
> Greg
>
>
> [1] http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/widgets/#tooltip
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Re: [Patternfly] James Falkner - PatternFly intro

[Serena Doyle]

Hi James,

Would love to chat with you more about PatternFly.  How about I set up a 30
minute meeting with you, Leslie & I for the coming week?

- Serena

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Andres Galante  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> I am sure Leslie or serena will be able to tell you more about whats the
> road map and project details
>
> As for getting your hand dirty PatternFly comes in 2 flavours: a base
> implementation over bootstrap (just html/css) and an angular version with
> all the components as angular directives.
>
> If you are looking for the angular version then Dan, Jeff or Dave will be
> able to give you a tour.
>
> Otherwise I can help you out. I recommend you install it with grunt and
> use it as a dependency for your project. That way you can easily upgrade
> when new versions are available.
>
> If you want, find a gap on my calendar or just ping me on IRC anytime, my
> nick is agalante. I will show you around patternfly, how to install it and
> how to use it.
>
> Have a great weekend,
>
> Andrés
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Catherine Robson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> Meet James!  James is a new middleware TMM who has been looking at UI
>> solutions for a few reasons:
>>
>> 1. To make demos that we build in Red Hat to showcase our product's
>> capabilities better looking and more usable UIs
>> 2.  To consider what our User Interface technology & solution story is
>> for our customers
>>
>> I'd like for the team to introduce him to PatternFly and show him what
>> capabilities already exist, as well as what areas we're looking to build
>> out in the upcoming months.  He's also a hands-on guy - so just getting him
>> started with PatternFly and pointing him to the right places to use it as
>> soon as possible would also be great!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Catherine
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