Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now
Zwe Lethu Majoni PAC is facing a split! Narius is pushing his people to form parallel structures. In Eastern Cape there will be provincial congress, in Sedibeng there is regional congress, Ekurhuleni there will be a regional congress including other areas! In all this areas there are PAC structures. It seems Narius is here to finish PAC where Plaatjie an Godi failed, wake Majoni. The Unity Summit failed to come with a plan to unite PAC! We went to the summit to come with a strategy to unite PAC but this was not done! Some NEC members who formed part of the 11 May 'NEC' meeting called by Moloto are now regretting because they did not thought about plan driven to divide PAC. PAC can be rescued and unified by a neutral national committee made up of party members who are not forming part of the NEC. If PAC members and leaders are not careful PAC will face 2014 National and Provincial Elections divided and weak Zwe lethu Tongogara Ndima On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Hulisani Mmbara mmbar...@hotmail.comwrote: Pathetic Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now
Comrade Xola, what about Narius and Letlapa who are destroying PAC to appease the ANC? On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Xola tyamza...@yahoo.com wrote: ...this is what happens when u sell your soul, u end being remote controlled and told what to say, whether it makes sense or not. He's agreed to bend over and was handsomely paid. His a*se is theirs Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: leag...@yahoo.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:57:03 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now When did he realise that freedom charter was a laudable document? Pathetic indeed. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Hulisani Mmbara mmbar...@hotmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:21:19 To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUPpayco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now Pathetic Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now
Cde Xola, I think and suggest, we as branches give both Letlapa Narius to put aside their personal differences and respect the 2012 Butterworth Congress outcomes were we elected the PAC NEC according to PAC Constitution and they work together and unify PAC, failure we should remove them at the August 2013 Annual National Conference! If we as cadres of the party support Narius against Letlapa or support Letlapa against Narius we will be forming part of the problem. We were there together in the unity summit, we should what happened, MoAforika! On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Xola tyamza...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Cde Tongogara, now that you have identified both sides of the split as being part of the problem, what do you propose as the best solution, constitutionally realistic and otherwise? We all acknowledge the existence of a problem and are all interested in a solution in which the PAC will not only emerge victorious but united as well. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- *From: * Tongogara Ndima ndimatongog...@gmail.com *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com *Date: *Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:33:50 +0200 *To: *payco@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now Comrade Xola, what about Narius and Letlapa who are destroying PAC to appease the ANC? On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Xola tyamza...@yahoo.com wrote: ...this is what happens when u sell your soul, u end being remote controlled and told what to say, whether it makes sense or not. He's agreed to bend over and was handsomely paid. His a*se is theirs Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: leag...@yahoo.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:57:03 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now When did he realise that freedom charter was a laudable document? Pathetic indeed. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Hulisani Mmbara mmbar...@hotmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:21:19 To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUPpayco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Thami on the Freedom Charter SA FM now Pathetic Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
[PAYCO] Re: My view
MoAforika Ndamane, you are correct as members in good standing we need a conference to resolve the problems facing I-party. We now agree that both Letlapa and Moloto have done an equal damage. I must also add that sincere and honest NEC members must stop supporting Letlapa and Narius, people like Justice Mvakali- Mohlompegi Mphahlele- Tebogo Rakomo- PAYCO NEC-PASMA NEC-And Others should ne helped not to fall into a factional trap. They must start interacting with branches on the ground. Majoni, we attended the Unity Summit, we agreed on uniting the PAC, we must attend also the meeting called by Letlapa. At the unity summit we agreed that it will be wrong of us to act like a group supporting Narius, we must not take sides, here. Forward to PC unity Tongogara On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:47 PM, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za wrote: Comrades, The organization is floating deeper into confusion and that confusion is perpetrated by people who are called leadership and those who seek to safe guard their personal gains. . . We can call as many gatherings in trying to make things right. . . it is clear that the leadership as elected in Butterworth is not interested in the PAC but their personal interests. Cde Letlapa Mphahlele, has to sit face to face with the NEC as elected in Butterworth if they suspend him (right or wrongly), the PAC Constitution gives avenues to appeal if one feels there is an unfair treatment on his/her hearing. This applies to Cdes Mpethi, Moloto, Joko and any other person. What we know as members and structures is that: i) the PAC NEC suspended, charged and expelled Cde. Mphahlele ii) that Cde. Mphahlele went to court and prayed for a) 11 MAY 2013 NEC meeting resolutions invalid b) his expulsion to be set aside c) dissolving NEC meeting constituted on the 11 MAY 2013 iii) the court ORDER: a) the 11 MAY 2013 meeting is declared invalid b) the resolutions of this meeting are declared invalid c) the expulsion is set aside iv) the application for Leave of Appeal against the above ORDER has been filed and confirmed at the court roll. v) we know who are the NEC members who constituted the 11 MAY 2013 NEC meeting. We also know that: 1) Cde. Mphahlele convened an NEC meeting on the 18 MAY 2013 2) PAC as an Applicant filed against Cde Mphahlele to bar the sitting of the 18 MAY 2013 meeting 3) the court ORDER: i) the Respondent (Mphahlele) gives an undertaking not to hold the meeting of 18 MAY 2013 to be held at the Vaal, ii) this matter be postponed to normal motion roll 4) the meeting of 18 MAY 2013 set without Cde Mphahlele 5) the meeting of 18 MAY 2013 resolved: a) declared the 11 MAY 2013 NEC meeting an unconstitutional and illegal gathering b) Reaffirms Cde Mphahlele as the President c) Suspends with immediate effect- Deputy President Cde Mpethi - Secretary General Cde Moloto - Deputy SG Cde Joko d) Appoints - Chief Administrator Cde Mkandawire - NDC e) Convenes Annual National Conference in December 2013 f) Restores powers of the Treasurer 6) Cde Mphahlele signed the resolutions of the 18 MAY 2013 7) Cde Mphahlele as PAC President issued a communique that STOP structures to attend anything organized by Cde Mpethi, Moloto and Joko, sighting that they don't authority as they are in contempt of the court order. 8) Cde Mphahlele is convening an NEC meeting that is extended to all structures to attend on the 13 - 14 JULY 2013 in the Vaal. IT MUST BE NOTED: a) Anything with regards to 11 MAY 2013 meeting is in the Appeals at the HIGH COURT b) Cde Mphahlele complied with the Court, NOT to attend the 18 MAY 2013 meeting WHAT WE ARE NOT TOLD: i) Given that Cde Mphahlele gave an undertaking in COURT not to hold a meeting of 18 MAY 2013 to be held in the Vaal; WHAT is the status of that meeting ? ii) Since the 11 MAY 2013 meeting was unconstitutional and illegal; WHO attended the 18 MAY 2013, WHAT makes this meeting Constitutional and Legal over the 11 MAY 2013 ? iii) WHAT made Cde Mphahlele to sign Resolutions of the meeting he gave an undertaking in court that he will not hold and did not personally attend ? iv) WHY the 18 MAY NEC meeting did not appoint Acting people in positions of suspended members, especially the critical position of the Secretary General ? v) HOW
[PAYCO] RE: My view
Comrades This infighting will proceed until when? It has become evident and crystal clear, the purpose of PAC's existence has been long forgotten! PAC's programmes including Aims and Objectives are forgotten! Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi -Original Message- From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 04 July 2013 01:47 PM To: Tongogara Ndima Cc: 'vakele mkandawire'; 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Joe Thloloe'; 'Jaki Seroke'; 'Jerry Vakasha'; 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala Sithole'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana'; 'Kenny Bafo'; 'Kgomotso Matsebe'; 'Khensani Teffu'; 'King Lebea'; 'Lucky Khoza'; 'Malusi Kolie'; 'Phillip Kgosana'; 'Tommy Kantando'; 'wiseman mashego'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za; kub...@telkomsa.net; 'APLAMVA LIMPOMPO'; 'Gerald Lerobane'; 'L Lekgwathi'; 'Leaga Lesufi'; 'Lehlohonolo Shale'; 'Lesomepedi Boshego'; 'Letlapa Mphahlele'; 'Lethola Mofokeng'; 'Lucky Moeketsi'; 'Lumkile August'; luyand...@gmail.com; 'Simon Moeketsi'; 'Sello Letjala'; znd...@hotmail.com; 'Puseletso Zwane'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'; 'Zandi Radebe'; 'Zola Mbi'; 'Zukisa Mxesibe'; 'Zuko Camagu'; 'Zuko Hlulani'; 'Sbusiso Xaba'; 'Tembelani Xundu'; 'Xola Mketi'; 'Xola Tyamzashe'; 'Xolani Mabanga'; 'Xolani Makwedini'; 'Xolelwa Njamela'; 'Mthuthuzeli Vena'; 'Samuel Marole'; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; 'Vuyiswa Cekwana'; vumilemof...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; 'PAYCO Azania'; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; jabumakha...@yahoo.com; 'Andiswa Mjali'; montja...@yahoo.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za; 'Justice Mvakali'; 'Themba Hlatshwayo'; g...@bcawu.co.za; g...@nactu.org.za; apap...@webmail.co.za; 'Wandisile Mandlana'; rakwe...@yahoo.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; rmtl...@gmail.com; rmse...@gmail.com; rateb...@webmail.co.za; 'Themba Hlatshwayo'; telite...@gmail.com; 'Thembeka Majali'; tob...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com; twa...@pac.org.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; yolisamazo...@gmail.com; ikeyisa...@gmail.com; 'Malesela Mogashwa'; 'Ike Mafole'; 'Albert Mokoena'; ad...@pac.org.za; 'Archie Kota'; a...@joburg.org.za; a...@a-aprp-gc.org; azaania...@gmail.com; angwa...@webmail.co.za; samrad...@upd.co.za; solomoncontrac...@gmail.com; samuel.zw...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sibusiso.x...@gmail.com; 'Sipho Linda'; 'Fitzroy Ngcukana'; dannymonar...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.com; frazer.sm...@webmail.co.za; 'Fihla Brig Gen'; 'Gantsu'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; justice.mvak...@gmail.com; ju-...@webmail.co.za; 'PASMA Gauteng'; khoi.so...@gmail.com; leratolepha...@ymail.com; leaga.les...@up.ac.za; 'Lulamile Ntonzima'; 'Zwelethemba Twalo'; ckoms...@yahoo.com; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; victor.serakal...@dcs.gov.za; va...@webmail.co.za; 'Bra Mike Motsobane'; baldwin.nd...@inl.co.za; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; nancykob...@webmail.co.za; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; 'Malinge Plaatjie'; mafub...@hotmail.com; 'Mathapelo Dhlamini'; mnyhon...@yahoo.com; mpumele...@gmail.com; 'Manelisi Mampana'; mphash...@webmail.co.za; maiv...@pac.org.za; makgaledisamphahl...@yahoo.com; 'Mawethu Sidzamba'; nrkgag...@gmail.com; nkrumah.kgag...@ananzi.co.za Subject: My view Comrades, The organization is floating deeper into confusion and that confusion is perpetrated by people who are called leadership and those who seek to safe guard their personal gains. . . We can call as many gatherings in trying to make things right. . . it is clear that the leadership as elected in Butterworth is not interested in the PAC but their personal interests. Cde Letlapa Mphahlele, has to sit face to face with the NEC as elected in Butterworth if they suspend him (right or wrongly), the PAC Constitution gives avenues to appeal if one feels there is an unfair treatment on his/her hearing. This applies to Cdes Mpethi, Moloto, Joko and any other person. What we know as members and structures is that: i) the PAC NEC suspended, charged and expelled Cde. Mphahlele ii) that Cde. Mphahlele went to court and prayed for a) 11 MAY 2013 NEC meeting resolutions invalid b) his expulsion to be set aside c) dissolving NEC meeting constituted on the 11 MAY 2013 iii) the court ORDER: a) the 11 MAY 2013 meeting is declared invalid b) the resolutions of this meeting are declared invalid c) the expulsion is set aside iv) the application for Leave of Appeal against the above ORDER has been filed and confirmed at the court roll. v) we know who are the NEC members who constituted the 11 MAY 2013 NEC meeting. We also know that: 1) Cde. Mphahlele convened an NEC meeting on the 18 MAY 2013 2) PAC as an Applicant filed against Cde Mphahlele to bar the sitting of the 18 MAY 2013 meeting 3) the court ORDER: i) the
