RE: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the struggle?

2014-08-25 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Comrade Linda

The five (5) questions you raised haunts many within the party amidst the
silence. Hopes about the party continues to be dashed and short lived by
persisting misfortunes that overwhelms the party and its membership.
However, one political reality is that the party is faced with a two line
ideological struggle, one political thought seeks to re-organise the PAC
along Marxist-Leninist traditions to assume and advance a mass based
revolutionary programme rooted on socialist principles which places the
African Workers as the only motive force to overthrow the capitalist and
white supremacist system, that's has assumed a neo-colonial character.  

The other second political thought and practice is the one which seeks to
subject the PAC into the current neo-liberal agenda, whereat the PAC serves
as an extension and part of the neo-colonial system on the ground that the
freedom fought for had been achieved and there is an African Government
that must be supported. 

Sadly, the PAC today is led by proponents of the second political thought,
hence in the Y-Analysis made by Cde Mashoa, he has has avidly pointed that 
Many of our young comrades and the so-called middle class, are held hostage
by this money group. It provides them crumbs enough to survive and to keep
them tools for their cause. It is the money'ed group which we opted to
describe and define as a comprador bourgeoisie which has successfully
captured the PAC and it remains directly responsible for its current state
of political and organisational disintegration aiming to destroy and kill
from PAC's organisational practices the existence and presence of
revolutionary practices. The ideological decay and the political rot thus
organisational disintegration has unfortunately being cascaded to across all
party structures including component structures, hence parallel structures.
Equally, the very same comprador bourgeoisie are redefining the PAC to
become an African nationalist capitalist political formation which will
argue good governance slogan as is the case with other neo-liberal political
parties. 

Constitutionally PAC has no NEC! Thus no-one and no group can claim to be
constitutionally a PAC NEC!

All the conferences organised by the now two feuding NEC groupings, namely
Moloto's NEC grouping is organising September 2014 Conference while Mpthi
NEC Grouping is organising December 2014 Conference, these conferences aims
at consolidating factional group's interests than forging principled unity
of PAC members and branches, hence our view that PAC branches and members
should denounce such events and starts on building principled party unity
starting from branch level to inclusive regional and provincial conferences.


We must accept that PAC members had been successfully turned against each,
in a manner never seen before! 

This occurrences was bound to occur, we have however underestimated its
actual capacity of political and ideological destruction. They have achieved
in less 24 months, what CIA, MOSSAD, MI0 and other instruments of
imperialism combined failed to achieve, that is, total destruction of PAC! 

I suggest, if you will agree that your five questions, be subjected to an
in-depth analysis and deliberations, for in these questions resides only
primary question What Is To Be Done? 

Above all the comprador bourgeoisie leading the three feuding NEC groupings
will not subject themselves to any form of democratic centralism, they do
not seek an orderly and normal PAC! PAC branches and 

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

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Subject: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the
struggle?

Revolutionary greetings!

Comrades one is confronted by serious personal questions as to the role one
should play in the struggle in view of the current state of the PAC in
response to the country's political statues quo.

The state of the party continues to cripples our contribution and role in
the struggle to emancipate our people. We are unable to use our talents,
skills, intellectual capital and passion for politics for the benefit of our
cause.

The leadership wrangles in the party has frustrated us the youth in terms of
growth and being nurtured for 

RE: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the struggle?

2014-08-25 Thread 'Mawethu Sidzamba' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
 Good day Cdes

This is almost quite a telling account where those who have muscled their way 
in shaping up the movement stand face to face with calling it quits. There 
definitely is a way of furthering a programme outside its own home. It is with 
regret that the answers to most of these questions asked by Cde Linda are in 
the affirmative or negative where applicable if we are to be honest with 
ourselves and with the crux of the revolution. When a movement abandons its own 
revolutionary programme people are most likely to identify it or something 
close to it elsewhere. In an attempt to oversimplify issues,currently the 
principles of the movement are more pronounced elsewhere that within the 
movement itself. Owing to political opportunism,some within our ranks despise 
any grouping that does a better job of what we purport to be doing, and some do 
laud any point of view that is closer to ours without giving regard where it 
comes from. We cannot acclaim ourselves the only
 contenders in delivering the people into total liberation. 

Quitting a movement has a potential of being an anchor to new frontiers while 
it is also true that it can replicate the same dynamics you may be trying to 
avoid at your former political home.

I do not by any means assume that the left branch of the Y intersection 
suggests an exodus,nor do I encourage it to stay and await better days, in fact 
we need to give steroids to the lot aligned with this direction because it 
dares to redirect the movement.  I however survey that we should assess our 
history within the movement with calculated suspcion that if we could not be a 
force to be reckoned with while inside the paradigm, we should expect no 
miracles outside the paradigm. The Africanist Movement was no mean membership 
within the Congress, it had a lot of cogency and this was noticeable both 
inside and outside the Congress as it was further afield.In the recent times, 
without debating their grades and merits,the EFF contigent was a remarkable 
body of opinion within the ANCYL and because of their caustic proportions even 
the dire disciplinary measures meted out against them had no destructive 
element against their political work,it even had more
 spin offs from the black consciousness and the youthful PAC proponents because 
they were no newcomers to agitation.

Again this is no pilgrimage to the EFF but we have seen splits and splinters in 
the PAC supported by the same arguments as provided currently yet we haven't 
seen any offering of a different magnitude afterwards, so this method has 
proven itself, not once not twice, a non-event.

I want to encourage the left branch of the Y intersection to use their talents 
(amongst other things) to overwhelm the condition currently prevalent in the 
Pan Africanist fold, they already have our support.So M-Afrika Matome,here is a 
tongue-in-cheek comment from myself,I am one of those who have a political 
crush on the EFF but I am not blinded by the fact that the 5 aims and 
objectives of the PAC are far from their scope of work.

Open Palm Salute!


On Mon, 8/25/14, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the 
struggle?
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km.mokgo...@gmail.com, pasmapresid...@gmail.com, 'Solly Hlubi' 
hlubi.so...@gmail.com, danielmamony...@gmail.com, 'KHOISAN SONTI' 
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 Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 9:01 AM
 
 Comrade Linda
 
 The five (5) questions you
 raised haunts many within the party amidst the
 silence. Hopes about the party continues to be
 dashed and short lived by
 persisting
 misfortunes that overwhelms the party and its membership.
 However, one political reality is that the
 party is faced with a two line
 ideological
 struggle, one political thought seeks to re-organise the
 PAC
 along Marxist-Leninist traditions to
 assume and advance a mass based
 revolutionary programme rooted on socialist
 principles which places