[PAYCO] Fw: Evil Judiciary Strikes Again
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: The NewERA ad...@newera.neweracomms.co.za Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:18:52 To: mphi...@gmail.com Reply-To: ad...@newera.org.za Subject: Evil Judiciary Strikes Again Hi Mphiri Masoga To quote Lord of the Rings, there is a darkness in our judiciary system that does not sleep. People are being physically attacked in their homes by minions of the dark forces. A few weeks ago, we linked to the story about a woman who was attacked in her home by both the Sheriff and employees of KPMG (read it here: http://news.acts.co.za/blog/2014/07/cape-farmer-launches-r10-million-damages-suit-against-liquidators-after-home-invasion [1]). This article spread across Facebook and social media like wildfire, as well it should. Well, the same woman's husband was recently attacked... again. He was told to stop standing up for his rights and to hand over his property or else. You need to understand something Mphiri Masoga - the judiciary is perceived by the public to be a bastion of justice. This is not true. There is no justice because our courts have been turned into sick, twisted cartels in cahoots with sheriffs, lawyers, liquidators and other greedy thugs. We have watched judges so biased, that people in the Court watching from the gallery have burst into tears. We have seen Judges pull out judgments from their file, pre-written by third parties, and read them out without even listening to the evidence. Forged Court Orders are now commonplace. Always the bank or the corporation wins. The real human being being gets hammered. These are things you won't hear about in the ordinary press. However, more and more people, like the Oberholsters who were attacked in the articles above, are standing their ground. They have launched People Against Lawyers and Liquidation which you can support here: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15716548975 [2]. There are also other Internet groups and communities popping up against corruption all over South Africa. We'll share more of these with you over the coming months. If there is one thing that the dark forces do not like, it is when enough people take a stand against them. Please support people who take a stand. THE NEW ECONOMIC RIGHTS ALLIANCE Please keep your details updated here This e-mail has been sent to mphi...@gmail.com from NewERA using an email, sms, fax and web integration tool called Majestic [3]. Not only is your data kept behind a secure firewall facility, but your data will not be sold, rented or given away to any third party without your express permission. If you receive communication using Majestic that you feel breaches ethical marketing standards, you can lodge a formal complaint by clicking here [4] and Majestic will investigate the matter. Click here to unsubscribe from all future e-mails from NewERA. Visit http://newera.neweracomms.co.za/view.php?click=1id=fcdb39df19b15f67 to view this e-mail online. Links: -- [1] http://news.acts.co.za/blog/2014/07/cape-farmer-launches-r10-million-damages-suit-against-liquidators-after-home-invasion [2] https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15716548975 [3] http://newera.neweracomms.co.za/link/majestic/ [4] http://newera.neweracomms.co.za/link/majestic/complaints -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
Good Morning M'Afrika Mashilo Clearly you have made your decision to Boycott the conference so you are within your Rights to do so as much as you are entitled to your opinion. Please let's respect decision of those who are prepared to make efforts to re - build the PAC. We all agree that the PAC must Unite and come with a programme that will change the Status Quo and challenge the System on Pan Africanist perspective. I am not sure if your Branch or you as an individual is in good standing or is the one that you refer to when you make a mention of Unity of those who left PAC and those of PAM which you seem passionate about. PAM is a registered Political Party and is a Legal Persona and should not be a determining Factor when we are suppose to hold a Conference to redirect the PAC, as we move and on, we will differ on methods of how to take the PAC forward. Those who left PAC did so Voluntarily and I know a few that are back in the PAC and are active. Comrade Ray I am personally not pleased with your BOYCOTT CONFERENCE Campaign, it is growing tension and promote dis unity. You are contradicting yourself by condemning those who differ with you, failing to convince them does not necessarily mean you have to use knuckle dusters Boycott Conference. We are continuing Son of Soil with or without those who differ with us. Caucus 13/09/14 then Conference in Bloemfontein 27-28/09/14. IAfrika Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:25:52 To: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Ndade Mxunya'mnd...@yahoo.com; 'Kutie Thondlana'kutie.thondl...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'mrfihla08'mrfihl...@gmail.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; 'Admin @ Pac'ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; 'eddie mfulwane'rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; 'Xola Tyamzashe'tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 'Phumzile Nomnga'phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; 'Sbusiso Xaba'sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; jntab...@gmail.com; 'L Lekgwathi'0825164...@vodamail.co.za; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; 'Nakaphala Bauba'nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'justice mvakali'mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Shango lashu M’Afrika PAC branches and members should not harbour any illusions, Birchwood 2013 National Conference organised by the same NEC comrades organising the Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference, has dismally failed to unite PAC and place all PAC branches and members on a unity-and-revolutionary path. Birchwood 2013 National Conference has deepened divisions and sowed conflict among PAC members and branches in a manner never seen in the history of the PAC, Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference will continue to consolidate a highly divided PAC with an untenable organisational state. Boycott and denounce Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference! Boycott! Unite and Defeat factionalism PAC branches and members! Unite! Forward to an Inclusive and Uniting PAC Conference! Forward Borrowing the comments made by former Chairman John Nyathi Pokela for all of us PAC Branches and members to reflect and ponder from Cde Muendane and Cde Ndima, PAC Chairman John Nyathi Pokela when he said One of the greatest leaders of this organisation, Nyathi Pokela, is on record as having said that if we go to a conference divided, we shall come out of it even more divided. To defeat factionalism and divisions, It is my strongest believe that PAC branches and members must achieve principled unity. And those former PAC members who left PAC to form PAM must return to the PAC, those PAC members who were suspended should also return to the PAC; We must jointly and equally wage the struggle to
RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
Comrade Fihla You are reading wrongly and once more fail to grasp the essence of the argument advanced, the earlier statement is premised from the following argument ““I strongly believe that in as much as Cde Letlapa, Cde Mpethi and Cde Moloto, might have made serious political blunders/errors, they cannot be made to be 100% liable for the entire divisions and feuding thus factionalism in the PAC” Secondly, the e-mail argues that and points that “Surely comrades, neither Cde Letlapa nor Cde Mpethi nor Cde Moloto is stopping your branches and members to picket and organise mass protests demanding the immediate release of all the imprisoned APLA comrades (for an example)”. But Cde Fihla, you made claims that I did nothing about the imprisoned APLA comrades, I refuted those claims by providing you with a brief account of actions I have been part of demanding the release of incarcerated APLA comrades. Cde Dumisani Zwane furthermore attached complimentary evidence to refute the claims you advanced. Your sweeping conjecture that I know nothing and did nothing about the arrested APLA Comrades, I advanced a direct challenge to you to prove your claims. Kindly note that, it’s not alien in knowledge acquisition process to formulate a conjecture or an assumption (hypothesis) which is either affirmed or nullified by empirical evidence. And let’s suppose I Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi I did nothing as Cde Fihla claims and insists, does this mean PAC branches and members should not ask questions about imprisoned APLA comrades. And surely, we cannot prescribe how questions should be asked, as long as assumptions are not personal attacks nor do not personalise issues? Secondly, you opted to launch a personal and sought to personalise the issue when no one raised a direct reference to Cde Fihla as a person/individual. The issue is what has being done by APLAMVA as a structure/ component structures in regards to the incarcerated APLA Comrades and this goes to an extent of questioning the political role and purpose of APLAMVA in the context of PAC’s Aims and Objective. If the two parallel existing APLAMVA have organisational plans and strategies, then let them be shared with PAC branches and members to dismiss and refute the following statement we have imprisoned former APLA combatants, no action is taken to demand the release of incarcerated APLA combatants, empirically disapprove this statement you consider as “unfounded sweeping statements based on conjecture”. Remember, I sat at the NEC led by Cde Mogoba prior Tompi Seleke in 2000 and even after Tompi Seleke, I also served in the NEC of under Cde Pheko including the 2006 – until the Decree NEC of Cde Letlapa, there has been no programme nor report presented by APLAMVA in regards to a campaign demanding the release of imprisoned APLA comrades. We know of individual PAC Comrades such M’Afrika Sombu and M’Afrika Pheko who had always made efforts and rallied various NECs and component structures and members of PAC in regard to the plight of imprisoned APLA comrades. Hence the argument None of the two existing APLAMVA NEC s have been seen in action demanding the immediate release of these comrades. But today, APLAMVA NEC comrades have a moral ground to point finger and identify failures of the PAC NEC members. I find the extent of most comrades as being hypocrites. To make things worse, APLA is split into two feuding comrades, the questions is does this APLAMVA split contribute or impact in the PAC! Do not be personal when addressing this issues, let’s try to be objective and constructive Comrade Fihla! Personalising issues commonly defeats a debate and inquisition to have a better understanding. Lastly, I do accept your invite and as long as it’s not a piecemeal approach however a Plan of Action that seeks to Demand the Release Imprisoned APLA Fighters! Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi From: mrfihla08 [mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com] Sent: 11 September 2014 09:26 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; payco@googlegroups.com Cc: nnyq...@gmail.com; kutie.thondl...@gmail.com; i...@bataufc.com; mvakalijust...@gmail.com; wgaj...@gmail.com; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za; tnta...@webmail.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; znyam...@gmail.com; mnd...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; bulanng...@gmail.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; monyanepin...@gmail.com; ad...@pac.org.za; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; po...@yahoo.com; bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dumisani...@gmail.com; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com;
RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
Comrade Masoga Do not personalise the issues raised by attack me in person address issues raised directly. If there is justification to attend Bloemfontein September National Conference constructively share with us and persuade to attend! We have presented a political case that drawing from Birchwood and other events that instead of unity of PAC, we have seen Birchwood 2013 Conference deepening divisions and the high rate of disintegration of PAC! Hence, any parallel structure organising parallel events solidifies internal party feuding, factionalism therefore disintegration of the PAC. First aspect I am a paid up PAC member belonging to a branch; Secondly aspect, This is an open campaign against events which aims to further divisions and the disintegration of the PAC, like Birchwood 2013 Conference; Thirdly aspect, we must seek to re-mobilise all PAC members and branches under one roof, if former PAC comrades who formed PAM agree to return to PAC and form part of the process to rebuild and re-organise PAC, why should they be excluded? Fourth aspect, the Boycott the Bloemfontein Conference aims at defeating factionalism and mobilise PAC branches and members to an inclusive unifying national conference of PAC; Fifth aspect, I have not condemn any comrades who advocates any differing view, if there is please specify his/her name! Sixth aspect, We encourage and mobilise PAC branches and members to start unification process by organising inclusive regional and provincial meetings to defeat factionalism and disunity! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mphi...@gmail.com Sent: 11 September 2014 11:12 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' Cc: 'Ndade Mxunya'; 'Kutie Thondlana'; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'mrfihla08'; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; 'Admin @ Pac'; wgaj...@gmail.com; 'eddie mfulwane'; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 'Tumediso Modise'; 'Xola Tyamzashe'; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; Simphiwe Nofuma; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 'Phumzile Nomnga'; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; Sbusiso Xaba; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; generalsecret...@sacwu.org.za Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Good Morning M'Afrika Mashilo Clearly you have made your decision to Boycott the conference so you are within your Rights to do so as much as you are entitled to your opinion. Please let's respect decision of those who are prepared to make efforts to re - build the PAC. We all agree that the PAC must Unite and come with a programme that will change the Status Quo and challenge the System on Pan Africanist perspective. I am not sure if your Branch or you as an individual is in good standing or is the one that you refer to when you make a mention of Unity of those who left PAC and those of PAM which you seem passionate about. PAM is a registered Political Party and is a Legal Persona and should not be a determining Factor when we are suppose to hold a Conference to redirect the PAC, as we move and on, we will differ on methods of how to take the PAC forward. Those who left PAC did so Voluntarily and I know a few that are back in the PAC and are active. Comrade Ray I am personally not pleased with your BOYCOTT CONFERENCE Campaign, it is growing tension and promote dis unity. You are contradicting yourself by condemning those who differ with you, failing to convince them does not necessarily mean you have to use knuckle dusters Boycott Conference. We are continuing Son of Soil with or without those who differ with us. Caucus 13/09/14 then Conference in Bloemfontein 27-28/09/14. IAfrika Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device _ From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:25:52 +0200 To: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Ndade Mxunya'mnd...@yahoo.com; 'Kutie Thondlana'kutie.thondl...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'mrfihla08'mrfihl...@gmail.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; 'Admin @ Pac'ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; 'eddie mfulwane'rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; 'Xola Tyamzashe'tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com;
Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
Comrade Masoga Do not display arrogance if you are serious about unity in the PAC, the statement you made that is We are continuing Son of Soil with or without those who differ with us.. It is a sign of arrogance and it further create us and them. No-one bedevilled you when you were organising a National Caucus, then respect other comrades views and proposals. Izwe lethu Ndima On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM, mphi...@gmail.com wrote: Good Morning M'Afrika Mashilo Clearly you have made your decision to Boycott the conference so you are within your Rights to do so as much as you are entitled to your opinion. Please let's respect decision of those who are prepared to make efforts to re - build the PAC. We all agree that the PAC must Unite and come with a programme that will change the Status Quo and challenge the System on Pan Africanist perspective. I am not sure if your Branch or you as an individual is in good standing or is the one that you refer to when you make a mention of Unity of those who left PAC and those of PAM which you seem passionate about. PAM is a registered Political Party and is a Legal Persona and should not be a determining Factor when we are suppose to hold a Conference to redirect the PAC, as we move and on, we will differ on methods of how to take the PAC forward. Those who left PAC did so Voluntarily and I know a few that are back in the PAC and are active. Comrade Ray I am personally not pleased with your BOYCOTT CONFERENCE Campaign, it is growing tension and promote dis unity. You are contradicting yourself by condemning those who differ with you, failing to convince them does not necessarily mean you have to use knuckle dusters Boycott Conference. We are continuing Son of Soil with or without those who differ with us. Caucus 13/09/14 then Conference in Bloemfontein 27-28/09/14. IAfrika Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- *From: * Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com *Date: *Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:25:52 +0200 *To: *'Mbuyiselo Kantso'mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com *Cc: *'Ndade Mxunya'mnd...@yahoo.com; 'Kutie Thondlana' kutie.thondl...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'mrfihla08' mrfihl...@gmail.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; 'Admin @ Pac' ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; 'eddie mfulwane' rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; 'Xola Tyamzashe' tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 'Phumzile Nomnga'phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; 'Sbusiso Xaba' sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; jntab...@gmail.com; 'L Lekgwathi'0825164...@vodamail.co.za; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; 'Nakaphala Bauba'nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'justice mvakali'mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com *Subject: *RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Shango lashu M’Afrika PAC branches and members should not harbour any illusions, *Birchwood 2013 National Conference* organised by the same NEC comrades organising the *Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference*, *has dismally failed to unite PAC and place all PAC branches and members on a unity-and-revolutionary path*. Birchwood 2013 National Conference has deepened divisions and sowed conflict among PAC members and branches in a manner never seen in the history of the PAC, *Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference* will continue to consolidate a highly divided PAC with an untenable organisational state. Boycott and denounce *Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference! * *Boycott!* *Unite and Defeat factionalism PAC branches and members!* * Unite!* *Forward to an Inclusive and Uniting PAC Conference!* *Forward * Borrowing the comments made by former Chairman John Nyathi Pokela for all of us PAC Branches and members to reflect and ponder from Cde Muendane and Cde Ndima, PAC Chairman John Nyathi Pokela
