Re: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity
We need a clean slate to persue our goal towards a United States of Africa. The enemy has done irrepairable damage to our movement. Payco is our last hope. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: I have been saying this for many years. Comrade I hope you see how deleterious this bashing is. When should we start engaging each other constructively ? From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mfeka, M. (McMillan) Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:27 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of the soil You all don’t know me because I am suppose to be a new member of the PAC. I am originally from KZN, south coast, I don’t understand and also I don’t like politics but I believe in self determination of the African people so they can advance themselves in all aspects of life hence my attempt to join the PAC because when it was introduced to me I understood that it is not a political party per se but as a revolutionary organisation that is concerned about the African masses. I now write with disappointment to learn that we are busy discrediting each other personally on this platform instead of engaging on the issues. It would have been so encouraging if there were debates regarding the programmes to advance the African masses instead of the finger pointing that is going on and it makes me wonder if are we clear with the programme of action because that should be above every individual. I think it is about time for the leaders of this organisation to seat back and take stock in order to acknowledge the current problems and also answer difficult questions about the relevance of the organisation because from where I am standing the organisation does not practically appear to be different to other political parties, may be on paper, hence it does not give any reason to the people to change their votes. As mentioned I joined the Pac ,or may I should say I attempted because I never got the membership card which I paid for, because I was hoping it is the organisation that is not based on individuals and does not tolerate selfish and opportunistic people who want to benefit on the expense of the masses. Sons and Daughters I believe there is a need for the REALLY PAC, people don’t know where to go for help, each and every initiative/programme that is undertaken it always have political motive and corruption behind it hence it fails to address the core problem. Where are the real leaders like Robert Sobukwe, Steve Biko, to name the ones that I managed to read about, who are prepared to take the African people forward not themselves. Kind Regards Mcmillan Nkosi Mfeka Learning MIS Specialist People Development Group Human Resources Tel: 011 294 1445 Fax: 011 295 1445 P Please consider the environment before printing this email and/or any related attachments From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuma Andile Mangisa Sent: 08 June 2010 04:06 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of Azania Afrcanists, this is something worth talking about and trying. I'm trying to change the topic for a while for us to continue breathing; may be there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully coming towards us not away from us. Please read the document carefully. I'm sure it will make sense to most of us. Izwe Lethu Chuma Andile Mangisa 0761277410 or 073 257 9480 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com Nedbank Limited Reg No 1951/09/06. The following link displays the names of the Nedbank Board of Directors and Company Secretary. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/DirectorsNedbank.htm ] This email is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. The following link will take you to Nedbank's legal notice. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/EmailDisclaimer.htm ] -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete
RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity
Sons and Daughters of the soil You all don't know me because I am suppose to be a new member of the PAC. I am originally from KZN, south coast, I don't understand and also I don't like politics but I believe in self determination of the African people so they can advance themselves in all aspects of life hence my attempt to join the PAC because when it was introduced to me I understood that it is not a political party per se but as a revolutionary organisation that is concerned about the African masses. I now write with disappointment to learn that we are busy discrediting each other personally on this platform instead of engaging on the issues. It would have been so encouraging if there were debates regarding the programmes to advance the African masses instead of the finger pointing that is going on and it makes me wonder if are we clear with the programme of action because that should be above every individual. I think it is about time for the leaders of this organisation to seat back and take stock in order to acknowledge the current problems and also answer difficult questions about the relevance of the organisation because from where I am standing the organisation does not practically appear to be different to other political parties, may be on paper, hence it does not give any reason to the people to change their votes. As mentioned I joined the Pac ,or may I should say I attempted because I never got the membership card which I paid for, because I was hoping it is the organisation that is not based on individuals and does not tolerate selfish and opportunistic people who want to benefit on the expense of the masses. Sons and Daughters I believe there is a need for the REALLY PAC, people don't know where to go for help, each and every initiative/programme that is undertaken it always have political motive and corruption behind it hence it fails to address the core problem. Where are the real leaders like Robert Sobukwe, Steve Biko, to name the ones that I managed to read about, who are prepared to take the African people forward not themselves. Kind Regards Mcmillan Nkosi Mfeka Learning MIS Specialist People Development Group Human Resources Tel: 011 294 1445 Fax: 011 295 1445 P Please consider the environment before printing this email and/or any related attachments From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuma Andile Mangisa Sent: 08 June 2010 04:06 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of Azania Afrcanists, this is something worth talking about and trying. I'm trying to change the topic for a while for us to continue breathing; may be there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully coming towards us not away from us. Please read the document carefully. I'm sure it will make sense to most of us. Izwe Lethu Chuma Andile Mangisa 0761277410 or 073 257 9480 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com Nedbank Limited Reg No 1951/09/06. The following link displays the names of the Nedbank Board of Directors and Company Secretary. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/DirectorsNedbank.htm ] This email is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. The following link will take you to Nedbank's legal notice. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/EmailDisclaimer.htm ] -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity
Izwe Lethu!!! Great input, hope it would be a wake up call to all of us who claim to be PAC members and leaders alike. We need urgently to sort out our internal challenges and develop and adopt a National Programme of Action to speak to the needs and aspirations of our people. PAYCO remains committed to party unity and calls upon all self respecting Africanist to join hands with us in cleansing, rebuilding and repositioning our belovered PAC. Umhlaba!!! Kwame Ndebele Sons and Daughters of the soil You all don't know me because I am suppose to be a new member of the PAC. I am originally from KZN, south coast, I don't understand and also I don't like politics but I believe in self determination of the African people so they can advance themselves in all aspects of life hence my attempt to join the PAC because when it was introduced to me I understood that it is not a political party per se but as a revolutionary organisation that is concerned about the African masses. I now write with disappointment to learn that we are busy discrediting each other personally on this platform instead of engaging on the issues. It would have been so encouraging if there were debates regarding the programmes to advance the African masses instead of the finger pointing that is going on and it makes me wonder if are we clear with the programme of action because that should be above every individual. I think it is about time for the leaders of this organisation to seat back and take stock in order to acknowledge the current problems and also answer difficult questions about the relevance of the organisation because from where I am standing the organisation does not practically appear to be different to other political parties, may be on paper, hence it does not give any reason to the people to change their votes. As mentioned I joined the Pac ,or may I should say I attempted because I never got the membership card which I paid for, because I was hoping it is the organisation that is not based on individuals and does not tolerate selfish and opportunistic people who want to benefit on the expense of the masses. Sons and Daughters I believe there is a need for the REALLY PAC, people don't know where to go for help, each and every initiative/programme that is undertaken it always have political motive and corruption behind it hence it fails to address the core problem. Where are the real leaders like Robert Sobukwe, Steve Biko, to name the ones that I managed to read about, who are prepared to take the African people forward not themselves. Kind Regards Mcmillan Nkosi Mfeka Learning MIS Specialist People Development Group Human Resources Tel: 011 294 1445 Fax: 011 295 1445 P Please consider the environment before printing this email and/or any related attachments From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuma Andile Mangisa Sent: 08 June 2010 04:06 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of Azania Afrcanists, this is something worth talking about and trying. I'm trying to change the topic for a while for us to continue breathing; may be there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully coming towards us not away from us. Please read the document carefully. I'm sure it will make sense to most of us. Izwe Lethu Chuma Andile Mangisa 0761277410 or 073 257 9480 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com Nedbank Limited Reg No 1951/09/06. The following link displays the names of the Nedbank Board of Directors and Company Secretary. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/DirectorsNedbank.htm ] This email is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. The following link will take you to Nedbank's legal notice. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/EmailDisclaimer.htm ] -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za -- For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity
Izwe Lethu!!! Great input, hope it would be a wake up call to all of us who claim to be PAC members and leaders alike. We need urgently to sort out our internal challenges and develop and adopt a National Programme of Action to speak to the needs and aspirations of our people. PAYCO remains committed to party unity and calls upon all self respecting Africanist to join hands with us in cleansing, rebuilding and repositioning our belovered PAC. Umhlaba!!! Kwame Ndebele Sons and Daughters of the soil You all don't know me because I am suppose to be a new member of the PAC. I am originally from KZN, south coast, I don't understand and also I don't like politics but I believe in self determination of the African people so they can advance themselves in all aspects of life hence my attempt to join the PAC because when it was introduced to me I understood that it is not a political party per se but as a revolutionary organisation that is concerned about the African masses. I now write with disappointment to learn that we are busy discrediting each other personally on this platform instead of engaging on the issues. It would have been so encouraging if there were debates regarding the programmes to advance the African masses instead of the finger pointing that is going on and it makes me wonder if are we clear with the programme of action because that should be above every individual. I think it is about time for the leaders of this organisation to seat back and take stock in order to acknowledge the current problems and also answer difficult questions about the relevance of the organisation because from where I am standing the organisation does not practically appear to be different to other political parties, may be on paper, hence it does not give any reason to the people to change their votes. As mentioned I joined the Pac ,or may I should say I attempted because I never got the membership card which I paid for, because I was hoping it is the organisation that is not based on individuals and does not tolerate selfish and opportunistic people who want to benefit on the expense of the masses. Sons and Daughters I believe there is a need for the REALLY PAC, people don't know where to go for help, each and every initiative/programme that is undertaken it always have political motive and corruption behind it hence it fails to address the core problem. Where are the real leaders like Robert Sobukwe, Steve Biko, to name the ones that I managed to read about, who are prepared to take the African people forward not themselves. Kind Regards Mcmillan Nkosi Mfeka Learning MIS Specialist People Development Group Human Resources Tel: 011 294 1445 Fax: 011 295 1445 P Please consider the environment before printing this email and/or any related attachments From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuma Andile Mangisa Sent: 08 June 2010 04:06 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of Azania Afrcanists, this is something worth talking about and trying. I'm trying to change the topic for a while for us to continue breathing; may be there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully coming towards us not away from us. Please read the document carefully. I'm sure it will make sense to most of us. Izwe Lethu Chuma Andile Mangisa 0761277410 or 073 257 9480 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com Nedbank Limited Reg No 1951/09/06. The following link displays the names of the Nedbank Board of Directors and Company Secretary. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/DirectorsNedbank.htm ] This email is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. The following link will take you to Nedbank's legal notice. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/EmailDisclaimer.htm ] -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za -- For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity
I have been saying this for many years. Comrade I hope you see how deleterious this bashing is. When should we start engaging each other constructively ? From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mfeka, M. (McMillan) Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:27 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of the soil You all don't know me because I am suppose to be a new member of the PAC. I am originally from KZN, south coast, I don't understand and also I don't like politics but I believe in self determination of the African people so they can advance themselves in all aspects of life hence my attempt to join the PAC because when it was introduced to me I understood that it is not a political party per se but as a revolutionary organisation that is concerned about the African masses. I now write with disappointment to learn that we are busy discrediting each other personally on this platform instead of engaging on the issues. It would have been so encouraging if there were debates regarding the programmes to advance the African masses instead of the finger pointing that is going on and it makes me wonder if are we clear with the programme of action because that should be above every individual. I think it is about time for the leaders of this organisation to seat back and take stock in order to acknowledge the current problems and also answer difficult questions about the relevance of the organisation because from where I am standing the organisation does not practically appear to be different to other political parties, may be on paper, hence it does not give any reason to the people to change their votes. As mentioned I joined the Pac ,or may I should say I attempted because I never got the membership card which I paid for, because I was hoping it is the organisation that is not based on individuals and does not tolerate selfish and opportunistic people who want to benefit on the expense of the masses. Sons and Daughters I believe there is a need for the REALLY PAC, people don't know where to go for help, each and every initiative/programme that is undertaken it always have political motive and corruption behind it hence it fails to address the core problem. Where are the real leaders like Robert Sobukwe, Steve Biko, to name the ones that I managed to read about, who are prepared to take the African people forward not themselves. Kind Regards Mcmillan Nkosi Mfeka Learning MIS Specialist People Development Group Human Resources Tel: 011 294 1445 Fax: 011 295 1445 P Please consider the environment before printing this email and/or any related attachments From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuma Andile Mangisa Sent: 08 June 2010 04:06 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of Azania Afrcanists, this is something worth talking about and trying. I'm trying to change the topic for a while for us to continue breathing; may be there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully coming towards us not away from us. Please read the document carefully. I'm sure it will make sense to most of us. Izwe Lethu Chuma Andile Mangisa 0761277410 or 073 257 9480 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com Nedbank Limited Reg No 1951/09/06. The following link displays the names of the Nedbank Board of Directors and Company Secretary. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/DirectorsNedbank.htm ] This email is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. The following link will take you to Nedbank's legal notice. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/EmailDisclaimer.htm ] -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity
Thank you very much. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuma Andile Mangisa Sent: 08 June 2010 04:06 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of Azania Afrcanists, this is something worth talking about and trying. I'm trying to change the topic for a while for us to continue breathing; may be there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully coming towards us not away from us. Please read the document carefully. I'm sure it will make sense to most of us. Izwe Lethu Chuma Andile Mangisa 0761277410 or 073 257 9480 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2924 - Release Date: 06/07/10 20:35:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
