Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS
Thank you Mo Afrika Mashilo PAC is in a state that is unacceptable and for that reason it is caucuses of this magnitude that will ensure that we chat way forward and March Forward. It is a fact that we can never see things the same way and that in itself does not necessarily mean that if Africanists disagree on certain positions then they are Factions. My observation is that there are too many Genius around the Bargaining Table which hamper progress in the PAC. Personalities and hatred deeply put the PAC in the state it find itself today. I appreciate the fact that MaAfrika remain to be members of the PAC though is the PAC they don't want, hence the Caucus is attempting to find the PAC people wants. Cde Ray it does not assist the PAC to have people talking in Corridors and Social networks and dismiss any attempt made to create a platform where people can air their views and put their positions across so that the strongest Argument Wins. Hence tis invitation is open to all PAC members not single - out any grouping, click or Faction. The PAC have no Luxury to correct this situation, for us to have Provincial Bossberaads is a brilliant Idea, but we need the Center to cater for operational needs of the party while in the process of healing and uniting forces. SSS Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 10:36:44 To: payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 'Tumediso Modise'tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; 'Simphiwe Nofuma'paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'Sbusiso Xaba'sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; 'Tumi Modise 2'modisetumed...@gmail.com; 'Sonia Masemola'masemola...@gmail.com; 'Pac Albert Mokoena'mokoen...@workmail.co.za; 'K Maunnatlala'patric...@ncp.co.za; 'Matome'mselapi...@yahoo.co.za; 'Katlego Lekgoathi'katlegodor...@gmail.com; hote...@iburst.co.za; hoteli...@ibursp.co.za Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Bosole Chidi'bosolech...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS M'Afrika Masoga Why can't focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national caucuses which ends up deepening internal party feuding and deepening factionalism? I strongly believe we should devote our energies to mobilise and organise all branches and members into an inclusive provincial meetings! The September Bloemfontein National Conference will become another waste of time in the same vein Birchwood August 2013 Conference is and will worsen the crisis facing the PAC! 2014 May national elections are a clear indicator that as PAC members and branches we cannot pretend that all is rosy within the PAC! Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mphi...@gmail.com Sent: 04 September 2014 10:10 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 'Tumediso Modise'; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; Simphiwe Nofuma; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Sbusiso Xaba; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; Tumi Modise 2; Sonia Masemola; Pac Albert Mokoena; K Maunnatlala; Matome; Katlego Lekgoathi; hote...@iburst.co.za; hoteli...@ibursp.co.za Cc: Bosole Chidi Subject: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS Revolutionary Greetings MaAfrika A Mahle An invitation is extended to a PAC National Caucus that already met on the 30/08/14 and will continue as follows: Date: 13/09/14 Time: 09:00 for 10:00 - 17:00 Venue : Tshwane : Boardroom 209 Ouraadsaal, opposite Standard Bank next to Church Square AGENDA National Conference/Congress
RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS
Izwe Lethu M'AFrika Masoga Kindly share with us the purpose and objective of this National Caucus and the agenda, such that we can sensitise comrades about it. Is this the first meeting or not, if there was another meeting kindly share the minutes or outcomes. We will form part on any initiative openly and sincerely organised to resolve the paralyses PAC finds itself. Reality is that the centre has collapsed and constitutionally non-existing, it is for PAC branches and members to explore constructive and principled means to re-organise and salvage the PAC! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mphi...@gmail.com Sent: 04 September 2014 12:10 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 'Tumediso Modise'; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; Simphiwe Nofuma; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Sbusiso Xaba; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com Cc: 'Bosole Chidi' Subject: Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS Thank you Mo Afrika Mashilo PAC is in a state that is unacceptable and for that reason it is caucuses of this magnitude that will ensure that we chat way forward and March Forward. It is a fact that we can never see things the same way and that in itself does not necessarily mean that if Africanists disagree on certain positions then they are Factions. My observation is that there are too many Genius around the Bargaining Table which hamper progress in the PAC. Personalities and hatred deeply put the PAC in the state it find itself today. I appreciate the fact that MaAfrika remain to be members of the PAC though is the PAC they don't want, hence the Caucus is attempting to find the PAC people wants. Cde Ray it does not assist the PAC to have people talking in Corridors and Social networks and dismiss any attempt made to create a platform where people can air their views and put their positions across so that the strongest Argument Wins. Hence tis invitation is open to all PAC members not single - out any grouping, click or Faction. The PAC have no Luxury to correct this situation, for us to have Provincial Bossberaads is a brilliant Idea, but we need the Center to cater for operational needs of the party while in the process of healing and uniting forces. SSS Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device _ From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 10:36:44 +0200 To: payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 'Tumediso Modise'tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; 'Simphiwe Nofuma'paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'Sbusiso Xaba'sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; 'Tumi Modise 2'modisetumed...@gmail.com; 'Sonia Masemola'masemola...@gmail.com; 'Pac Albert Mokoena'mokoen...@workmail.co.za; 'K Maunnatlala'patric...@ncp.co.za; 'Matome'mselapi...@yahoo.co.za; 'Katlego Lekgoathi'katlegodor...@gmail.com; hote...@iburst.co.za; hoteli...@ibursp.co.za ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Bosole Chidi'bosolech...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS M'Afrika Masoga Why can't focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national caucuses which ends up deepening internal party feuding and deepening factionalism? I strongly believe we should devote our energies to mobilise and organise all branches and members into an inclusive provincial meetings! The September Bloemfontein National Conference will become another waste of time in the same vein Birchwood August 2013 Conference is and will worsen the crisis facing the PAC! 2014 May national elections are a clear indicator that as PAC members and branches we cannot pretend
Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS
Dear Cdes. There is no point to attend a national caucus where people speak to themselves by entrenching wrong doings. When some of us we comradely and maturely approached Cde Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde Mphethi not to stand for Presidency little did we know that amateurish behaviours will resurface wherein comrades endorses incorrect means to remove a sitting president. Some of us believe that no matter how much we can differ with cdes there is no way we can be used and abused by anyone against those we differ with. What are expected to do as members and structures when we receive confusing correspondence and letters from same NEC leaders worse a President and Secretary. That conference or congress can go on but for us is neither there no there but a waste of time. We will not be used by failures to cover their own mess using other opportunists. All those who were elected at the Butterworth Congress must all be there to account there is half clever who should stand before us and present a report of courts, expulsions, suspensions and constitutional tempering under the disguise of amendments cooked from top down approach. Those attending the individually organised Bloemfontein conference can do so pleasing that organiser. Cde Raymond is right that will be a waste of time because what that person want is an attendance register which will be used if future court cases. Izwe Lethu On Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:09 PM, mphi...@gmail.com mphi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Mo Afrika Mashilo PAC is in a state that is unacceptable and for that reason it is caucuses of this magnitude that will ensure that we chat way forward and March Forward. It is a fact that we can never see things the same way and that in itself does not necessarily mean that if Africanists disagree on certain positions then they are Factions. My observation is that there are too many Genius around the Bargaining Table which hamper progress in the PAC. Personalities and hatred deeply put the PAC in the state it find itself today. I appreciate the fact that MaAfrika remain to be members of the PAC though is the PAC they don't want, hence the Caucus is attempting to find the PAC people wants. Cde Ray it does not assist the PAC to have people talking in Corridors and Social networks and dismiss any attempt made to create a platform where people can air their views and put their positions across so that the strongest Argument Wins. Hence tis invitation is open to all PAC members not single - out any grouping, click or Faction. The PAC have no Luxury to correct this situation, for us to have Provincial Bossberaads is a brilliant Idea, but we need the Center to cater for operational needs of the party while in the process of healing and uniting forces. SSS Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 10:36:44 +0200 To: payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 'Tumediso Modise'tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; 'Simphiwe Nofuma'paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'Sbusiso Xaba'sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; 'Tumi Modise 2'modisetumed...@gmail.com; 'Sonia Masemola'masemola...@gmail.com; 'Pac Albert Mokoena'mokoen...@workmail.co.za; 'K Maunnatlala'patric...@ncp.co.za; 'Matome'mselapi...@yahoo.co.za; 'Katlego Lekgoathi'katlegodor...@gmail.com; hote...@iburst.co.za; hoteli...@ibursp.co.za ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Bosole Chidi'bosolech...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS M’Afrika Masoga Why can’t focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national caucuses which ends up deepening internal party feuding and deepening factionalism? I strongly believe we should devote our energies to mobilise and organise all branches and members into an inclusive provincial meetings! The September Bloemfontein National Conference will become another waste of time in the same vein Birchwood August 2013 Conference is and will worsen the crisis facing the PAC! 2014 May national elections are a clear indicator that as PAC members and branches we cannot pretend that all is rosy within the PAC! Shango
