Re: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development
Comrade Linda, your invite-call is noted. I fully hear you on the need to maintain strong policy positions. The question is always what the point of reference is. In the case of the 1959 generation their point of reference was confrontation with the system and Pan Africanism in general. Our point of reference now can either be the prevailing system or the overthrow of the system altogether. The former would seek to introduce policy positions that will improve the system and that enhance the current system to be somewhat responsive, while the latter would be the eradication of the current system with policies concomitant with this frame of mind. If what you are inviting us to do relates to the former, I am unavailable for such a task for I can do it better as a civil servant if I decide to join Govt work. However if you depart from the latter I take the challenge and applaud you. The dilemma is always that the PAC for many years now has been on a vacillation path, and actually the greatest disabler of Sobukwe 's dream. The right thing, surely not the only, is for the PAC to adopt a framework of overthrow and then everybody amongst us can get down to policy development informed thereby. I am personally not available for any PAC activity that seeks to strengthen the system, either overt or convert. If this is the path I decided to find other things to do than engage in pleasantries of membership and sloganeering. If we decide we are on an overthrow path, like the masses are doing on their own, I am game any day and I will risk my all ! So I take your challenge with the caveat above. Viva PAC Matome Mashao On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:39:16 + Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za wrote Cde Ndebele Your writing is enlivening our Africanist spirit. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of linda ndebele Sent: 18 September 2013 08:58 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development Cde Jaki, Sibeko, Nkrumah, Mashao, Xaba and Mmbara I have been visiting PAC 1959 Manifesto which is a framework from which all PAC policy positions are drawn. I have been marveling on the precise analysis of the material conditions by PAC intellectual pioneers then. What crossed my mind is that these guys were at our age when they developed that revolutionary document. I have looked through certain policy documents of the party in areas like economy, land and education and hold a view that the socialist outlook of the PAC is lacking or not properly and practically articulated. I also remember the days where PAC had a Research Unit led by cde Mlomo and Jaki Seroke. PAC by then could present coherent positions on different issues. The issue here is that from the generation of PAC founding fathers to the generation of Jaki there has been some level of youth participation in policy development hence PAC projected a militant outlook in the political arena of Azania. I am afraid our generation seems to be stucked on factional issues and little on policy development in the party. The most revolutionary document ever to be produced by PAC youth was PAYCO IOTA Programme of Action under the leadership of cde Matome Mashao as President and Sbu Xaba as Secretary General. I hold a view that as PAC youth we have been extremely lazy in policy research, policy studies and developing critical writing in respect to policy issues. I also hold a view that PAC has not developed processes to involve youth in policy development therefore there's no continuity and proper initiation of future policy makers to the art of policy making. This has detrimental effects in the PAC quest to cease state power. Cde Jaki, how can we change this and how can we play a role in the Research Unit of the PAC? Hope this will spark the necessary discussion on the role of youth in policy development in the PAC. Linda Ndebele Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this
RE: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development
Izwe lethu Comrade Linda and Comrade Mashao one fully endorses your view and a need to focus and deepen the party on socialist revolutionary policy discourse and direction; however this requires a total overhaul of the party's strategic centre(s) of power. The 1959 PAC Leadership and subsequent generations were never hostile to revolutionary science and policy programmes to overthrow herrenvolkism and capitalism. The very reason that today's PAC vacillate is largely due to the recent years leaderships' ideological orientation and character is not only bonapartist and fascist it is primarily nationalist and comprador bourgeoisie thus has systematically used bureaucracy to effectively frustrate and attack any form actions to focus the party structures and members to deliberate and pursue revolutionary socialist policies and programme on Pan African basis. Indeed that the socialist outlook of the PAC is lacking largely because the party has suffers scarcity of a leadership with a revolutionary socialist orientation and conviction, the current PAC NEC is worse, that is, it is a combination of an outright nationalist and comprador bourgeoisie which is in a path of wealth accumulation, this character of leadership logically implies proponents of revolutionary socialist ideas will face disguised constant capitalist attacks. We must clean the rank and file membership and leading organs of the party to be liberated from the comprador bourgeoisie political control and direction. It is therefore imperative that the leading structures of the party should be overhauled by removing the current bonapartist and fascist comprador bourgeoisie by deploying party cadres and members determined to drive and organise the party and rally the masses around socialist revolutionary programme to overthrow the neo-colonial capitalist state and eradicate white supremacy. It is only when the leading organs of the party are led by Pan Africanist genuinely committed to execute a socialist programme that the African workers, peasants and youths will have the organisational space to engage and debate the policy positions. Lest we forget that political power cannot be relinquished voluntarily, thus our task is :- 1. to organise and mobilise willing and determined PAC branches and members across the country; 2. to facilitate and coordinate regular monthly political education thus encourage constructive political and ideological discussions among members and branches; 3. to encourage branches and members in leading community based struggles; 4. to encourage branches, regions and members to join, support and lead workers struggles in companies such as industrial areas, agricultural sites-farms and mines; 5. to encourage branches and members to create community and workers democratic forums and committees to set up minimum demands for social change; 6. to distance ourselves from the prevalent comprador bourgeoisie court battles; 7. to denounce the entire divisive leadership groupings which continues to disregard and operate outside the PAC constitution and principles; Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matome Mashao Sent: 19 September 2013 08:11 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mduduzi Sibeko Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development Comrade Linda, your invite-call is noted. I fully hear you on the need to maintain strong policy positions. The question is always what the point of reference is. In the case of the 1959 generation their point of reference was confrontation with the system and Pan Africanism in general. Our point of reference now can either be the prevailing system or the overthrow of the system altogether. The former would seek to introduce policy positions that will improve the system and that enhance the current system to be somewhat responsive, while the latter would be the eradication of the current system with policies concomitant with this frame of mind. If what you are inviting us to do relates to the former, I am unavailable for such a task for I can do it better as a civil servant if I decide to join Govt work. However if you depart from the latter I take the challenge and applaud you. The dilemma is always that the PAC for many years now has been on a vacillation path, and actually the greatest disabler of Sobukwe 's dream. The right thing, surely not the only, is for the PAC to adopt a framework of overthrow and then everybody amongst us can get down to policy development informed thereby. I am personally not available for any PAC activity that seeks to strengthen the system, either overt or convert. If this is the path I decided to find other things to do than engage in pleasantries of membership and sloganeering. If we decide we are on an overthrow path, like the masses are doing on their own, I am game any day and I will risk my all ! So I take your challenge with the caveat
Re: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development
Cde Matome, Thanks for the response. I stand for militant approach and believe strongly that movements on the Left can never cease power from the ANC through the current status quo and moderate approach. I stand for the latter, overthrowal of the current system. I agree with you that the reference point has to be totally different from that of 1959 noting that the material conditions have changed as well. We have tried unsuccessfully to argue this point in all PAC fora's(following our resolve that we shall attend and engage everywhere where PAC name is discussed) that we need to craft and adopt a new National Programme of Action that will define our vision and strategic direction going forward. We even went far by crafting IOTA programme of action and tried on many occasions to push the PAC to adopt it as its programme of action only to be opposed by those at somepoint we identified as progressive forces in the movement. I therefore believe we still have to define the revolutionary framework that will mold and inform our policy positions going forward. It would be rubbishing PAC and its legacy to push the former which seeks to improve the current system, we aren't reformist. I believe as the youth we can play a pivotal role in ensuring that PAC adopts a revolutionary path that seeks to overthrow the current and in ensuring that policy development follows this path. I understand revolutionary change to mean upsetting the current system, dismantling its pillars and replacing it with a new radical system that will bring true salvation for our people. That's what I stand for and the policy development I talk about revolves around this point of view. I pause. Izwe Lethu! Linda Ndebele Yours a socialist revolution Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Matome Mashao mmas...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:11:15 To: payco@googlegroups.compayco@googlegroups.com; Mduduzi Sibekomsib...@randwater.co.za Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development Comrade Linda, your invite-call is noted. I fully hear you on the need to maintain strong policy positions. The question is always what the point of reference is. In the case of the 1959 generation their point of reference was confrontation with the system and Pan Africanism in general. Our point of reference now can either be the prevailing system or the overthrow of the system altogether. The former would seek to introduce policy positions that will improve the system and that enhance the current system to be somewhat responsive, while the latter would be the eradication of the current system with policies concomitant with this frame of mind. If what you are inviting us to do relates to the former, I am unavailable for such a task for I can do it better as a civil servant if I decide to join Govt work. However if you depart from the latter I take the challenge and applaud you. The dilemma is always that the PAC for many years now has been on a vacillation path, and actually the greatest disabler of Sobukwe 's dream. The right thing, surely not the only, is for the PAC to adopt a framework of overthrow and then everybody amongst us can get down to policy development informed thereby. I am personally not available for any PAC activity that seeks to strengthen the system, either overt or convert. If this is the path I decided to find other things to do than engage in pleasantries of membership and sloganeering. If we decide we are on an overthrow path, like the masses are doing on their own, I am game any day and I will risk my all ! So I take your challenge with the caveat above. Viva PAC Matome Mashao On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:39:16 + Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za wrote Cde Ndebele Your writing is enlivening our Africanist spirit. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of linda ndebele Sent: 18 September 2013 08:58 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development Cde Jaki, Sibeko, Nkrumah, Mashao, Xaba and Mmbara I have been visiting PAC 1959 Manifesto which is a framework from which all PAC policy positions are drawn. I have been marveling on the precise analysis of the material conditions by PAC intellectual pioneers then. What crossed my mind is that these guys were at our age when they developed that revolutionary document. I have looked through certain policy documents of the party in areas like economy, land and education and hold a view that the socialist outlook of the PAC is lacking or not properly and practically articulated. I also remember the days where PAC had a Research Unit led by cde Mlomo and Jaki Seroke. PAC by then could present coherent positions on different issues. The issue here is that from the generation of PAC founding
RE: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development
2013 10:21 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development Cde Matome, Thanks for the response. I stand for militant approach and believe strongly that movements on the Left can never cease power from the ANC through the current status quo and moderate approach. I stand for the latter, overthrowal of the current system. I agree with you that the reference point has to be totally different from that of 1959 noting that the material conditions have changed as well. We have tried unsuccessfully to argue this point in all PAC fora's(following our resolve that we shall attend and engage everywhere where PAC name is discussed) that we need to craft and adopt a new National Programme of Action that will define our vision and strategic direction going forward. We even went far by crafting IOTA programme of action and tried on many occasions to push the PAC to adopt it as its programme of action only to be opposed by those at somepoint we identified as progressive forces in the movement. I therefore believe we still have to define the revolutionary framework that will mold and inform our policy positions going forward. It would be rubbishing PAC and its legacy to push the former which seeks to improve the current system, we aren't reformist. I believe as the youth we can play a pivotal role in ensuring that PAC adopts a revolutionary path that seeks to overthrow the current and in ensuring that policy development follows this path. I understand revolutionary change to mean upsetting the current system, dismantling its pillars and replacing it with a new radical system that will bring true salvation for our people. That's what I stand for and the policy development I talk about revolves around this point of view. I pause. Izwe Lethu! Linda Ndebele Yours a socialist revolution Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Matome Mashao mmas...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:11:15 To: payco@googlegroups.compayco@googlegroups.com; Mduduzi Sibekomsib...@randwater.co.za Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development Comrade Linda, your invite-call is noted. I fully hear you on the need to maintain strong policy positions. The question is always what the point of reference is. In the case of the 1959 generation their point of reference was confrontation with the system and Pan Africanism in general. Our point of reference now can either be the prevailing system or the overthrow of the system altogether. The former would seek to introduce policy positions that will improve the system and that enhance the current system to be somewhat responsive, while the latter would be the eradication of the current system with policies concomitant with this frame of mind. If what you are inviting us to do relates to the former, I am unavailable for such a task for I can do it better as a civil servant if I decide to join Govt work. However if you depart from the latter I take the challenge and applaud you. The dilemma is always that the PAC for many years now has been on a vacillation path, and actually the greatest disabler of Sobukwe 's dream. The right thing, surely not the only, is for the PAC to adopt a framework of overthrow and then everybody amongst us can get down to policy development informed thereby. I am personally not available for any PAC activity that seeks to strengthen the system, either overt or convert. If this is the path I decided to find other things to do than engage in pleasantries of membership and sloganeering. If we decide we are on an overthrow path, like the masses are doing on their own, I am game any day and I will risk my all ! So I take your challenge with the caveat above. Viva PAC Matome Mashao On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:39:16 + Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za wrote Cde Ndebele Your writing is enlivening our Africanist spirit. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of linda ndebele Sent: 18 September 2013 08:58 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Role of youth in policy development Cde Jaki, Sibeko, Nkrumah, Mashao, Xaba and Mmbara I have been visiting PAC 1959 Manifesto which is a framework from which all PAC policy positions are drawn. I have been marveling on the precise analysis of the material conditions by PAC intellectual pioneers then. What crossed my mind is that these guys were at our age when they developed that revolutionary document. I have looked through certain policy documents of the party in areas like economy, land and education and hold a view that the socialist outlook of the PAC is lacking or not properly and practically articulated. I also remember the days where PAC had a Research Unit led by cde Mlomo and Jaki Seroke. PAC by then could present coherent positions
