Re: [PAYCO] Pseudo PAYCO National Conference seats Saturday 21 September 2013.

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima
COmrade Mandyoli, PAC Youths must stop acting like idiots, Letlapa and
Narius are using these youths against each other. Smoll Zondo group is on
the side of Moloto while Pitso is on the side of Letlapa. It also seems
like some of these young leaders like Zondo and Pitso they are also
enjoying this fighting game and they call a revolution. It is a pity, after
two years they would have done fokol for PAC and the youth of this country!
The only solution is PAC Youths must convene under one roof and resolve
their differences and unite, comrade like Mashao, Mbara and Linda as former
PAYCO leaders should take the responsibility to unite and give political
direction to these lost souls

Zwe lethu
Ndima


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Sinethemba Mandyoli 
sinethemba.mandy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just for interest sake how many branches, regions, and provinces are going
 to this congress? Where and when was the communique distributed to branches?

 ** **

 Lastly which options have you visited in ensuring that this parallel
 structure is being intercepted before it’s formed? A court interdict would
 be the solution (if you were Letlapa) for now but we need to engage as
 youth without the influence of the elders. If the GaMatlala constitution is
 reinstated there should have been a provision that when it was thrown to
 the dustbin by Mphahlele anything he did between Fort hare and Butterworth
 was null and void. The reinstatement of the constitution would have come
 with conditions, and seemingly we were too quick to rejoice about the
 return of the constitution not knowing that this guy never got back the
 members he chased away from our beloved movement.   

 ** **

 It is so interesting that the elders are the ones that perpetuate the
 parallel structures. I am not interested in the merits and demerits of the
 factions involved but on bringing the solution. I want us to convince each
 other and decide whether the meeting in Limpopo is constitutional as per
 the constitution of PAYCO which we never abandoned like the PACYL did after
 Fort Hare congress. 

 ** **

 If what happened in Durban was not constitutional as per the claims of
 Wandi and others, I think only provinces that were there can raise that. I
 was personally not in Durban but my branch and provinces were there and we
 had to swallow a bitter pill for the benefit of taking the party forward.
 The decisions taken in Durban are binding to me until the next properly
 constituted congress or conference of PAYCO. The office of the organizer
 (Wandi Montjane) was instrumental in the formation of parallel structures
 within APLAMVA, I had warned many that the next stop was to be PAYCO (that
 is happening now), tomorrow it will be PASMA. The same people that force an
 unconstitutional PAYCO conference used to say PAYCO is ROYCO and today it
 is a fashion for them to be called PAYCO Coordinators.

  

 ** **

 I ask myself what is there to gain in all this confusion for elderly
 people like Mr. Montjane and others. What can we do to eliminate this
 cancer of factionalism and parallel structures? 

 ** **

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Re: [PAYCO] Pseudo PAYCO National Conference seats Saturday 21 September 2013.

2013-09-20 Thread Tongogara Ndima
M'Afrika Keith, you are correct, we cannot allow both Letlapa and Narius to
divide PAC and party component structures, if we are careful 2014 national
elections PAC will be embarrassed and loose the one seat of parliament. I
fully understand Cde Linda's explanation, we know that in Gauteng Smoll
Zondo was influenced by some NEC members to form four five branches of
PAYCO and rush to the PAYCO Congress just to take NEC leadership position.
Smoll Zondo and his Secretary Eddie Mfulwane are just used as voting cattle
by Narius and his NEC Group, their PAYCO NEC is ideologically empty and
without programmes except to form branches. Pitso Mpasha is another victim
of Letlapa, a voting cattle and both Pisto-Zondo are effectively used to
drive factional programmes.

I believe both Zondo, Pitso and other youths members of PAYCO are young
talented comrades sadly misled PAC youths used by older party members. They
need support and guidance, that is where Cde Masho, Cde Mbara and Cde Linda
come in, another lost soul it seems it is Cde Sbu Xaba is also taken by the
Narius spirit ever since the comrade stood for PAC Presidency at
Butterworth Congress misled by Justice Xola and Nofuma.

PAC deserves to be rescued majoni!

Zwe lethu!
Ndima




On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bongani Keith panmaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Revolutionary greetings, what cadre Tongora raises it is a thorny
 subject in the youth of the PAC while we've observed the issues in the
 era of Letlapa with PACYL now in the era of Narius they quickly used
 former PASMA NEC members Eddy and Small to cease power within PAYCO at
 all cost to continue with division in the youth. This is attributed to
 the lack of insight in the above hinted comrades and the ideological
 confusion they possess while even leading the student movement, that
 indicates failer from the comrades of PAC especially those who have
 served in youth structures to guide and show direction where it is
 neccesary.

 On 9/20/13, Tongogara Ndima ndimatongog...@gmail.com wrote:
  COmrade Mandyoli, PAC Youths must stop acting like idiots, Letlapa and
  Narius are using these youths against each other. Smoll Zondo group is on
  the side of Moloto while Pitso is on the side of Letlapa. It also seems
  like some of these young leaders like Zondo and Pitso they are also
  enjoying this fighting game and they call a revolution. It is a pity,
 after
  two years they would have done fokol for PAC and the youth of this
 country!
  The only solution is PAC Youths must convene under one roof and resolve
  their differences and unite, comrade like Mashao, Mbara and Linda as
 former
  PAYCO leaders should take the responsibility to unite and give political
  direction to these lost souls
 
  Zwe lethu
  Ndima
 
 
  On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Sinethemba Mandyoli 
  sinethemba.mandy...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Just for interest sake how many branches, regions, and provinces are
  going
  to this congress? Where and when was the communique distributed to
  branches?
 
  ** **
 
  Lastly which options have you visited in ensuring that this parallel
  structure is being intercepted before it’s formed? A court interdict
  would
  be the solution (if you were Letlapa) for now but we need to engage as
  youth without the influence of the elders. If the GaMatlala constitution
  is
  reinstated there should have been a provision that when it was thrown to
  the dustbin by Mphahlele anything he did between Fort hare and
  Butterworth
  was null and void. The reinstatement of the constitution would have come
  with conditions, and seemingly we were too quick to rejoice about the
  return of the constitution not knowing that this guy never got back the
  members he chased away from our beloved movement.   
 
  ** **
 
  It is so interesting that the elders are the ones that perpetuate the
  parallel structures. I am not interested in the merits and demerits of
  the
  factions involved but on bringing the solution. I want us to convince
  each
  other and decide whether the meeting in Limpopo is constitutional as per
  the constitution of PAYCO which we never abandoned like the PACYL did
  after
  Fort Hare congress. 
 
  ** **
 
  If what happened in Durban was not constitutional as per the claims of
  Wandi and others, I think only provinces that were there can raise that.
  I
  was personally not in Durban but my branch and provinces were there and
  we
  had to swallow a bitter pill for the benefit of taking the party
 forward.
  The decisions taken in Durban are binding to me until the next properly
  constituted congress or conference of PAYCO. The office of the organizer
  (Wandi Montjane) was instrumental in the formation of parallel
 structures
  within APLAMVA, I had warned many that the next stop was to be PAYCO
  (that
  is happening now), tomorrow it will be PASMA. The same people that force
  an
  unconstitutional PAYCO conference used to say PAYCO is ROYCO and today
 it
  is a fashion for them