Re: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?

2009-03-30 Thread Gary Schindler
thanks for the correction on that, I don't use Rhapsody. Comcast used to 
provide Rhapsody radio, but I don't know if they do any more.


- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Chaltain cchalt...@austin.rr.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?



From the review at

http://mp3.about.com/od/digitalmusicdelivery/fr/Rhapsodyreview.htm, it says:

File Formats:
Rhapsody has its own DRM system just like the iTunes Store does to
protect its music files. The DRM system that is used is known as Helix.
The file format that is used with this encryption technology is RAX (AAC
encapsulated in Helix). You can alternatively download WMA files if you
prefer; these are protected with Microsoft’s WMDRM system.

I don't use Rhapsody myself, but the implication that you could only get
Real audio files from Rhapsody didn't sound right to me, so a quick trip
to Google gave me the above information.

Gary G Schindler wrote:

I think Rhapsody is basically for real audio files!

- Original Message - From: Robert doc Wright 
talmi...@wrightplaceinc.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?



I had a problem getting jaws to interact with rhapsody.

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- Original Message - From: Jamie Pauls
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?


Greetings list:

I teach a music appreciation class at a local community college. In the 
fall

of this year, I am switching to a new textbook, The Musical Experience by
John Chiego. Every instructor of the class receives a year of Rhapsody to 
Go
which allows one to transfer songs from Rhapsody to a supported MP3 
player.

Each chapter of the text has an accompanying playlist. I am familiar with
using Rhapsody and have no trouble there. I have also been playing with
Applian Technology's Replay Media Catcher program to grab the playlists 
and
convert them to MP3 files. Applian says this is legal, but I have to 
wonder
if Rhapsody would be thrilled. I will use Media Catcher if I have no 
other
option, but an MP3 player with attached speakers would be preferable to 
CDs
and a boom box anyway. Does anyone have any experience with any of the 
MP3

players supported by Rhapsody? Any help would be appreciated.

Jamie Pauls, MT-BC
E-mail: jamiepa...@sbcglobal.net
Web site: http://www.accesswatch.info
Blog: http://accesswatch.blogspot.com
RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/accesswatch
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Windows Live Messenger: jamiepa...@hotmail.com


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RE: getting a track list?

2009-03-30 Thread Walter Ramage
Hi Look up the album on Amazon and you will get a track list, the proper
one.  Walter.

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[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]on Behalf Of john schwery
Sent: 30 March 2009 01:43
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: getting a track list?


I downloaded an album of mp3 files and the tracks aren't named
correctly.  How do I get a track list with the correct names?  Thanks
in advance for any help.


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RE: downloading music files

2009-03-30 Thread Walter Ramage
Try MP3fiesta.com or MP3VA.com, very good and very economical.  Walter.

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Sent: 30 March 2009 06:30
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: downloading music files


Hello I would like to know what's a good sight ware I can download music 

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Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:43 PM
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Subject: getting a track list?

I downloaded an album of mp3 files and the tracks aren't named 
correctly.  How do I get a track list with the correct names?  Thanks 
in advance for any help.


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converting other file types

2009-03-30 Thread Donald
On a similar subject about file conversion, is there a program that will
convert wma to mp3? How much quality is lost in the process?

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

Thanks all for the information. I personally didn't interpret do not 
decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content as 
prohibiting me from converting the media format. Maybe if it had said 
electronic content instead of audible content I might have interpreted 
it differently. After all, you are allowed to download it, stream it and 
write it to CD for your own personal use. Granted, I might have read 
this with a pair of rose colored glasses on.

I guess my main point was two fold. First, I saw quite a few sites which 
claimed that their product was a legal way to convert Audible files into 
other formats and other sites which talked about what was and wasn't 
legal given Audible's terms and conditions, the DMAC, fair use and court 
cases, which lead me to believe that it isn't clear what is and isn't 
legal in this case.

Second, as others have stated on this list, I doubt any company or law 
enforcement agency would prosecute anyone who was making copies for 
their own personal use and was scrupulous about making sure those copies 
didn't end up in anyone else's hands. Note that I also feel it's clear 
that sharing these files, even with a few friends, is illegal, although 
maybe not unethical.

Richard Claypool wrote:
 Hi,

 there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits 
 breaking encryption on files.  This has been one of the complaints of 
 people for ages that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd 
 for thier own use because it violates the DMCA.
 Rick
 twitter
 http://twitter.com/elheme

 msn
 bellevue@gmail.com
 skype
 lord_of_beer
 - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt 
 adr...@adrianspratt.com
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM
 Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats


 Bruce,

 This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about 
 Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There 
 is really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or 
 otherwise using products they own for their own purposes. I assume 
 the manufacturer's purpose behind the provision you quote is to 
 discourage dissemination of these materials. But if individuals don't 
 have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would have any reason 
 to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that said, I 
 share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use 
 them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two.
 - Original Message -
 From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
 Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

 It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.

 Bruce

 On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

 I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the 
 legal jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus fair 
 use in the US would allow you to convert Audible books into another 
 format for your own personal use.

 Audible's terms and conditions at
 http://www.audible.com/adbl/faqs/terms.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes say the
 following:

 6. Grants of Licenses

 a. Audible Content License. When you clickout or otherwise 
 purchase (referred to herein, collectively as Purchase) Audible 
 Content from the Audible Service, Audible grants you a limited, 
 revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to download or 
 stream such Audible Content to your computer and/or your Device(s) 
 solely for your personal non-commercial use. You shall not copy, 
 reproduce, distribute or use the Audible Content in any other manner. 
 You shall not sell, transfer, lease, modify, distribute or publicly 
 perform the Audible Content in any manner and you shall not exploit 
 it commercially. Do not (A) decompile, disassemble, or reverse 
 engineer the Audible Content or attempt to do so; or (B) modify the 
 Audible Content or create any derivative works therefrom. This 
 license to the Audible Content you Purchase will continue for as long 
 as your copy of Audible Content exists pursuant to and in accordance 
 with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.

 In doing some searching on the web, there are quite a few sites that 
 say converting Audible books to MP3 is legal in the US under fair 
 use while others say that Audible's terms and conditions preclude 
 doing this. I'm not sure that I've seen anything definitive on either 
 side though. A lot of people say it's illegal without quoting any 
 

Re: converting other file types

2009-03-30 Thread Les Gordon

the website for digital media pro version 2.3 is www.deskshare.com

you can download the demo there and then purchase if you like it.

thanks les


- Original Message - 
From: Donald donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: converting other file types



Where do you get it and what is the cost? In the conversion process do you
lose any of the quality?

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Les Gordon
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:18 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting other file types

hi, i use digital media pro 2.3 that can convert most of those file types
include dvd and others.

- Original Message - 
From: Donald donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:54 AM
Subject: converting other file types



On a similar subject about file conversion, is there a program that will
convert wma to mp3? How much quality is lost in the process?

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org 
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]

On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

Thanks all for the information. I personally didn't interpret do not
decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content as
prohibiting me from converting the media format. Maybe if it had said
electronic content instead of audible content I might have interpreted
it differently. After all, you are allowed to download it, stream it and
write it to CD for your own personal use. Granted, I might have read
this with a pair of rose colored glasses on.

I guess my main point was two fold. First, I saw quite a few sites which
claimed that their product was a legal way to convert Audible files into
other formats and other sites which talked about what was and wasn't
legal given Audible's terms and conditions, the DMAC, fair use and court
cases, which lead me to believe that it isn't clear what is and isn't
legal in this case.

Second, as others have stated on this list, I doubt any company or law
enforcement agency would prosecute anyone who was making copies for
their own personal use and was scrupulous about making sure those copies
didn't end up in anyone else's hands. Note that I also feel it's clear
that sharing these files, even with a few friends, is illegal, although
maybe not unethical.

Richard Claypool wrote:

Hi,

there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits
breaking encryption on files.  This has been one of the complaints of
people for ages that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd
for thier own use because it violates the DMCA.
Rick
twitter
http://twitter.com/elheme

msn
bellevue@gmail.com
skype
lord_of_beer
- Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt
adr...@adrianspratt.com
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats



Bruce,

This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about
Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There
is really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or
otherwise using products they own for their own purposes. I assume
the manufacturer's purpose behind the provision you quote is to
discourage dissemination of these materials. But if individuals don't
have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would have any reason
to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that said, I
share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use
them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two.
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.

Bruce

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the
legal jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus fair
use in the US would allow you to convert Audible books into another
format for your own personal use.

Audible's terms and conditions at
http://www.audible.com/adbl/faqs/terms.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes say the
following:

6. Grants of Licenses

a. Audible Content License. When you clickout or otherwise
purchase (referred to herein, collectively as Purchase) Audible
Content from the Audible Service, Audible grants you a limited,
revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to download or
stream such Audible Content to your computer and/or your Device(s)
solely for your personal non-commercial use. You shall not copy,
reproduce, distribute or use the Audible 

Re: converting other file types

2009-03-30 Thread Les Gordon
hi, i use digital media pro 2.3 that can convert most of those file types 
include dvd and others.


- Original Message - 
From: Donald donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:54 AM
Subject: converting other file types



On a similar subject about file conversion, is there a program that will
convert wma to mp3? How much quality is lost in the process?

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

Thanks all for the information. I personally didn't interpret do not
decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content as
prohibiting me from converting the media format. Maybe if it had said
electronic content instead of audible content I might have interpreted
it differently. After all, you are allowed to download it, stream it and
write it to CD for your own personal use. Granted, I might have read
this with a pair of rose colored glasses on.

I guess my main point was two fold. First, I saw quite a few sites which
claimed that their product was a legal way to convert Audible files into
other formats and other sites which talked about what was and wasn't
legal given Audible's terms and conditions, the DMAC, fair use and court
cases, which lead me to believe that it isn't clear what is and isn't
legal in this case.

Second, as others have stated on this list, I doubt any company or law
enforcement agency would prosecute anyone who was making copies for
their own personal use and was scrupulous about making sure those copies
didn't end up in anyone else's hands. Note that I also feel it's clear
that sharing these files, even with a few friends, is illegal, although
maybe not unethical.

Richard Claypool wrote:

Hi,

there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits
breaking encryption on files.  This has been one of the complaints of
people for ages that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd
for thier own use because it violates the DMCA.
Rick
twitter
http://twitter.com/elheme

msn
bellevue@gmail.com
skype
lord_of_beer
- Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt
adr...@adrianspratt.com
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats



Bruce,

This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about
Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There
is really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or
otherwise using products they own for their own purposes. I assume
the manufacturer's purpose behind the provision you quote is to
discourage dissemination of these materials. But if individuals don't
have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would have any reason
to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that said, I
share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use
them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two.
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.

Bruce

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the
legal jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus fair
use in the US would allow you to convert Audible books into another
format for your own personal use.

Audible's terms and conditions at
http://www.audible.com/adbl/faqs/terms.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes say the
following:

6. Grants of Licenses

a. Audible Content License. When you clickout or otherwise
purchase (referred to herein, collectively as Purchase) Audible
Content from the Audible Service, Audible grants you a limited,
revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to download or
stream such Audible Content to your computer and/or your Device(s)
solely for your personal non-commercial use. You shall not copy,
reproduce, distribute or use the Audible Content in any other manner.
You shall not sell, transfer, lease, modify, distribute or publicly
perform the Audible Content in any manner and you shall not exploit
it commercially. Do not (A) decompile, disassemble, or reverse
engineer the Audible Content or attempt to do so; or (B) modify the
Audible Content or create any derivative works therefrom. This
license to the Audible Content you Purchase will continue for as long
as your copy of Audible Content exists pursuant to and in accordance
with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.

In doing some searching on the web, there are quite a few sites that
say converting Audible books to MP3 is legal in the US under fair
use while 

RE: converting other file types

2009-03-30 Thread Donald
Where do you get it and what is the cost? In the conversion process do you
lose any of the quality?

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Les Gordon
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:18 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting other file types

hi, i use digital media pro 2.3 that can convert most of those file types 
include dvd and others.

- Original Message - 
From: Donald donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:54 AM
Subject: converting other file types


 On a similar subject about file conversion, is there a program that will
 convert wma to mp3? How much quality is lost in the process?

 -Original Message-
 From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
 On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:52 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

 Thanks all for the information. I personally didn't interpret do not
 decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content as
 prohibiting me from converting the media format. Maybe if it had said
 electronic content instead of audible content I might have interpreted
 it differently. After all, you are allowed to download it, stream it and
 write it to CD for your own personal use. Granted, I might have read
 this with a pair of rose colored glasses on.

 I guess my main point was two fold. First, I saw quite a few sites which
 claimed that their product was a legal way to convert Audible files into
 other formats and other sites which talked about what was and wasn't
 legal given Audible's terms and conditions, the DMAC, fair use and court
 cases, which lead me to believe that it isn't clear what is and isn't
 legal in this case.

 Second, as others have stated on this list, I doubt any company or law
 enforcement agency would prosecute anyone who was making copies for
 their own personal use and was scrupulous about making sure those copies
 didn't end up in anyone else's hands. Note that I also feel it's clear
 that sharing these files, even with a few friends, is illegal, although
 maybe not unethical.

 Richard Claypool wrote:
 Hi,

 there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits
 breaking encryption on files.  This has been one of the complaints of
 people for ages that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd
 for thier own use because it violates the DMCA.
 Rick
 twitter
 http://twitter.com/elheme

 msn
 bellevue@gmail.com
 skype
 lord_of_beer
 - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt
 adr...@adrianspratt.com
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM
 Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats


 Bruce,

 This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about
 Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There
 is really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or
 otherwise using products they own for their own purposes. I assume
 the manufacturer's purpose behind the provision you quote is to
 discourage dissemination of these materials. But if individuals don't
 have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would have any reason
 to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that said, I
 share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use
 them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two.
 - Original Message -
 From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
 Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

 It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.

 Bruce

 On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

 I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the
 legal jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus fair
 use in the US would allow you to convert Audible books into another
 format for your own personal use.

 Audible's terms and conditions at
 http://www.audible.com/adbl/faqs/terms.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes say the
 following:

 6. Grants of Licenses

 a. Audible Content License. When you clickout or otherwise
 purchase (referred to herein, collectively as Purchase) Audible
 Content from the Audible Service, Audible grants you a limited,
 revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to download or
 stream such Audible Content to your computer and/or your Device(s)
 solely for your personal non-commercial use. You shall not copy,
 reproduce, distribute or use the Audible Content in any other manner.
 You shall not sell, transfer, lease, modify, distribute or publicly
 perform the Audible Content in any manner and you shall not exploit
 it commercially. Do not (A) decompile, disassemble, or reverse
 engineer the Audible Content or attempt to do so; or 

Re: converting other file types

2009-03-30 Thread Les Gordon

i will grab the site and email it to you. i think it costs $29.95
its very easy to use.

thanks les.
oh the quality for the most part stays the same. unless you really compress 
the files.


- Original Message - 
From: Donald donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: converting other file types



Where do you get it and what is the cost? In the conversion process do you
lose any of the quality?

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Les Gordon
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:18 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting other file types

hi, i use digital media pro 2.3 that can convert most of those file types
include dvd and others.

- Original Message - 
From: Donald donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:54 AM
Subject: converting other file types



On a similar subject about file conversion, is there a program that will
convert wma to mp3? How much quality is lost in the process?

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org 
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]

On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

Thanks all for the information. I personally didn't interpret do not
decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content as
prohibiting me from converting the media format. Maybe if it had said
electronic content instead of audible content I might have interpreted
it differently. After all, you are allowed to download it, stream it and
write it to CD for your own personal use. Granted, I might have read
this with a pair of rose colored glasses on.

I guess my main point was two fold. First, I saw quite a few sites which
claimed that their product was a legal way to convert Audible files into
other formats and other sites which talked about what was and wasn't
legal given Audible's terms and conditions, the DMAC, fair use and court
cases, which lead me to believe that it isn't clear what is and isn't
legal in this case.

Second, as others have stated on this list, I doubt any company or law
enforcement agency would prosecute anyone who was making copies for
their own personal use and was scrupulous about making sure those copies
didn't end up in anyone else's hands. Note that I also feel it's clear
that sharing these files, even with a few friends, is illegal, although
maybe not unethical.

Richard Claypool wrote:

Hi,

there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits
breaking encryption on files.  This has been one of the complaints of
people for ages that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd
for thier own use because it violates the DMCA.
Rick
twitter
http://twitter.com/elheme

msn
bellevue@gmail.com
skype
lord_of_beer
- Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt
adr...@adrianspratt.com
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats



Bruce,

This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about
Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There
is really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or
otherwise using products they own for their own purposes. I assume
the manufacturer's purpose behind the provision you quote is to
discourage dissemination of these materials. But if individuals don't
have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would have any reason
to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that said, I
share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use
them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two.
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.

Bruce

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the
legal jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus fair
use in the US would allow you to convert Audible books into another
format for your own personal use.

Audible's terms and conditions at
http://www.audible.com/adbl/faqs/terms.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes say the
following:

6. Grants of Licenses

a. Audible Content License. When you clickout or otherwise
purchase (referred to herein, collectively as Purchase) Audible
Content from the Audible Service, Audible grants you a limited,
revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to download or
stream such Audible Content to your computer and/or your Device(s)
solely for your personal non-commercial use. You shall not copy,

Re: converting other file types

2009-03-30 Thread Chris Hallsworth
Talking of the website, anyone tried Text Speaker? It seems similar to 
TextAloud or DSpeech, but has more features, including adding background 
music to the document, as well as creating and editing documents, even in 
Microsoft Word format!

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Skype: chrishallsworth7266
- Original Message - 
From: Les Gordon mr...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: converting other file types


the website for digital media pro version 2.3 is www.deskshare.com

you can download the demo there and then purchase if you like it.

thanks les


- Original Message - 
From: Donald donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: converting other file types


 Where do you get it and what is the cost? In the conversion process do you
 lose any of the quality?

 -Original Message-
 From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
 On Behalf Of Les Gordon
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:18 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: converting other file types

 hi, i use digital media pro 2.3 that can convert most of those file types
 include dvd and others.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Donald donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net
 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:54 AM
 Subject: converting other file types


 On a similar subject about file conversion, is there a program that will
 convert wma to mp3? How much quality is lost in the process?

 -Original Message-
 From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
 [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
 On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:52 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

 Thanks all for the information. I personally didn't interpret do not
 decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content as
 prohibiting me from converting the media format. Maybe if it had said
 electronic content instead of audible content I might have interpreted
 it differently. After all, you are allowed to download it, stream it and
 write it to CD for your own personal use. Granted, I might have read
 this with a pair of rose colored glasses on.

 I guess my main point was two fold. First, I saw quite a few sites which
 claimed that their product was a legal way to convert Audible files into
 other formats and other sites which talked about what was and wasn't
 legal given Audible's terms and conditions, the DMAC, fair use and court
 cases, which lead me to believe that it isn't clear what is and isn't
 legal in this case.

 Second, as others have stated on this list, I doubt any company or law
 enforcement agency would prosecute anyone who was making copies for
 their own personal use and was scrupulous about making sure those copies
 didn't end up in anyone else's hands. Note that I also feel it's clear
 that sharing these files, even with a few friends, is illegal, although
 maybe not unethical.

 Richard Claypool wrote:
 Hi,

 there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits
 breaking encryption on files.  This has been one of the complaints of
 people for ages that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd
 for thier own use because it violates the DMCA.
 Rick
 twitter
 http://twitter.com/elheme

 msn
 bellevue@gmail.com
 skype
 lord_of_beer
 - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt
 adr...@adrianspratt.com
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM
 Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats


 Bruce,

 This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about
 Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There
 is really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or
 otherwise using products they own for their own purposes. I assume
 the manufacturer's purpose behind the provision you quote is to
 discourage dissemination of these materials. But if individuals don't
 have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would have any reason
 to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that said, I
 share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use
 them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two.
 - Original Message -
 From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
 Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

 It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.

 Bruce

 On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

 I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the
 legal jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus fair
 use in the US would allow you to convert 

Replay Converter Replay Music products updates news

2009-03-30 Thread Petro T. Giannakopoulos

Latest update news for Replay Converter and Replay Music are below. When the 
new update for Replay AV 8 is released you will get the latest version of 
replay converter included so for now do nothing and continue to use what you 
have there. That's all I know. The developer added audio alerts to Replay 
Converter's settings. I do communicate with him from time to time.

The below info is also on my blog at
http://blindreplay.blogspot.com

Replay Converter 3.32
Yesterday, March 29, 2009, 2:21:22 PM
- Added new audio alert option in settings.

Replay Music 3.56
Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:00:30 PM
- Fixed a registration code problem where a false expired code error was 
appearing for some users.

Replay Converter 3.31
Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:48:52 PM
- Fixed a frame size bug where if two or more videos of different frame sizes 
were converted, the orignal frame size setting would not work properly.


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Re: IE8 and access issue re. streaming audio site

2009-03-30 Thread joser.ortega

To whom it may concern:
 I could hear the Gutenberg audio books with the real player they offered.
 ButI had to unistalled it because  it broke my Real Player version 10 and 
I can't hear the books...

How can I get my Real v.10 again?
 Jose Ortega From Mexico...thank you...


- Original Message - 
From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com

To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:49 AM
Subject: IE8 and access issue re. streaming audio site


This may be primarily of interest to UK subscribers, but I think the 
service

being discussed here can be accessed outside the UK.

Posted originally on Blind Audio, I'm forwarding this to a few lists as,
though not effecting me personally, I nonetheless feel Microsoft should be
made to listen and act positively in this matter.  (Direct email contact 
at

end of message)


Ray

Forwarded message.

Please do pass this around any lists you can, I need as much
feedback as possible.

Dear all,

Many thanks to those of you who have contacted me recently regarding
Internet Explorer 8, and the compatibility issues that Microsoft have with
embedded real audio.

I have two separate and long conversations with Microsoft IE8 technical
support over the last couple of days, and they have confirmed that there 
is

a serious compatibility issue.

To cut a long story short, I believe that those of you who received the
update for Internet Explorer 8 in the last few days (roll out began March
18) will only hear silence when accessing http://www.pressakey.net and any
other page on the Audio Network.

As yet, there are no plans for a patch to fix this problem.

I'm asking for your help in confirming this issue, which I am going to 
take

to Bill Gates if I have to.

Please would you let me know if you can hear any audio on the following 
web

page, and what browser you are using. It means a lot to be able to show
Microsoft that is is a real issue with more than one person.

Please try to listen to

http://www.pressakey.net/

Just for yours and everybody else's information, I did a quick count up of
the total page views and visitors for the Audio Network over the last 12
months. On average there are over 400 visits per day, and over the last 12
months visitors have opened up almost half a million pages  - I know that 
is

small compared to the big guns I am talking with, but I hope that those
kind of numbers might just show them that people are finding the site
useful, informative, fun, and a part of their lives on a regular basis!

Please pass this on to as many people as you possibly can, asking them to 
do

the same, and let me know the results by return of e-mail.

Thank you for your help and support,

Thanks!

Bill Tiel.


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Skype 4.0 and talking to two Skype users at the same time

2009-03-30 Thread Petro T. Giannakopoulos

How do I talk to two Skype users at the same time using Skype 4.0 with JAWS 10? 
I need to do an interview here. Thank you. Please help.

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Replay Converter 3.32 audio alerts settings response from developer to me

2009-03-30 Thread Petro T. Giannakopoulos

Petro saids
Wait for the new Replay AV 8 whenever it comes out and you will get the latest 
version of Replay Converter included and installed at the same time.

The developer said

You are very welcome.  When I added the audio alerts I had you and the blind
community in mind.  There will actually be another update to Replay
Converter coming soon.  In the next version, I decided to add different
audio alerts depending if a conversion was successful or not.  The version
that is out now just alerts when a conversion process finished no matter if
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plugins for gold wave

2009-03-30 Thread Brett Boyer
Hey listers! Just wondering what some of you are using for effects in goldwave. 
I'm looking for more dx plugins to play with audio. Any suggestions of free or 
low cost plugins that have lots of effects or presets?
thanks for your help
bb
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music sound editer

2009-03-30 Thread keith
Hello to everyone my name is keith and I would like to know if there is a music 
sound editer that is screenreader friendly. I've just bought a Korg x50 
keyboard that I want to do some sound editing on but the software that came 
with it is not screenreader friendly.  I use Jaws for windows version 10, 
HELP!!!
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selecting with audacity

2009-03-30 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
I need to snag 3 minutes from an audio file but I haven't worked out an easy 
way to get to the 
part of the file I need to start from or selecting the audio I need.  How is 
this done with the 
latest version of audacity?
Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: music sound editer

2009-03-30 Thread Mac Norins
Keith, 

This is not the right list for this; you want midi-mag, but, for the life of 
me, I cannot remember their E mail address or URL!  Anyway, google it or I will 
try to find it and write you off list!  
Regards, 

Mac Norins 
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To: pc audio list pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:21 PM
Subject: music sound editer 


Hello to everyone my name is keith and I would like to know if there is a music 
sound editer that is screenreader friendly. I've just bought a Korg x50 
keyboard that I want to do some sound editing on but the software that came 
with it is not screenreader friendly.  I use Jaws for windows version 10, 
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Re: Juice Receiver 2.2 with Vista OS

2009-03-30 Thread Caroline Ford
I had to set Juice to run in XP compatibility mode under Vista before it 
would work properly.  I found the following instructions on how to do it on 
the internet:


1. Download, install, then browse to the installation folder (program 
files\juice)

2. Change the EXE compatibility mode to Windows XP SP2 [right-click the
executable, flip to the Compatibility tab, place a checkmark in the 'Run
this program in compatibility mode', then press the OK button]
3. Open Ipodder.cfg with Notepad and change the output directory from My
Documents to Documents - which is found under
C:\Users\username\appdata\Roaming\iPodder
[by default]
4. Launch Juice

Caroline.

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Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:59 AM
Subject: RE: Juice Receiver 2.2 with Vista OS



It did not work on my Vista system.

Dean


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On Behalf Of Petro T. Giannakopoulos
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:13 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Juice Receiver 2.2 with Vista OS


Does Juice Receiver 2.2 the podcatcher application work with Vista 
operating

system?

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Re: plugins for gold wave

2009-03-30 Thread Chris Hallsworth
Try GWVoice from GoldWave themselves.

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From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: plugins for gold wave


Hey listers! Just wondering what some of you are using for effects in 
goldwave. I'm looking for more dx plugins to play with audio. Any 
suggestions of free or low cost plugins that have lots of effects or 
presets?
thanks for your help
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Re: music sound editer

2009-03-30 Thread Ray
Hello Kieth.

Haven't time to give links, but there is quite a choice of sound editors
that work with screen readers generally including JFW.

Paid for stereo editors include:
Sony:
Sound Forge, Sound Studio

Goldwave

Studio Recorder from A P H.  - this doesn't need scripts or anything as it
is designed from the ground up to be accessible.  Can be used for music, but
is primarily meant for speech editing.

Audacity, which is freeware or open source software.  Believe there are JFW
scripts for this one.  It is a multi-track editor but can of course be used
for stereo editing.

In the multi-track field there is Sonar or Cakewalk which it developped from
I believe.  tthis is a combined audio and midi editor and very much aimed at
musicians.  Think the scripts here come from Dancing Dots.

Finally, their is Adobe Audition, but how well this works with JFW I simply
don't know.  this was known as Cool Edit until Adobe acquired it, since when
it has gone through a few inaccessible versions, but I hear things are
beginning to be put right re. post version 3.

So, hope all that helps and a bit of Googling will turn up the info you need.

keith wrote:
Hello to everyone my name is keith and I would like to know if there is a
music sound editer that is screenreader friendly. I've just bought a Korg
x50 keyboard that I want to do some sound editing on but the software that
came with it is not screenreader friendly.  I use Jaws for windows version
10, HELP!!!
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Re: music sound editer

2009-03-30 Thread Christopher Wright
If you choose to use Sonar, there's also a free set of Jaws scripts called
JSonar. You can go to

www.jsonar.org

to read about it and download it.

Since you'll be learning Sonar for the first time, I recommend the
CakeTalking package from Dancing Dots. That comes with plenty of
documentation.
- Original Message - 
From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: music sound editer


 Hello Kieth.

 Haven't time to give links, but there is quite a choice of sound editors
 that work with screen readers generally including JFW.

 Paid for stereo editors include:
 Sony:
 Sound Forge, Sound Studio

 Goldwave

 Studio Recorder from A P H.  - this doesn't need scripts or anything as it
 is designed from the ground up to be accessible.  Can be used for music,
but
 is primarily meant for speech editing.

 Audacity, which is freeware or open source software.  Believe there are
JFW
 scripts for this one.  It is a multi-track editor but can of course be
used
 for stereo editing.

 In the multi-track field there is Sonar or Cakewalk which it developped
from
 I believe.  tthis is a combined audio and midi editor and very much aimed
at
 musicians.  Think the scripts here come from Dancing Dots.

 Finally, their is Adobe Audition, but how well this works with JFW I
simply
 don't know.  this was known as Cool Edit until Adobe acquired it, since
when
 it has gone through a few inaccessible versions, but I hear things are
 beginning to be put right re. post version 3.

 So, hope all that helps and a bit of Googling will turn up the info you
need.

 keith wrote:
 Hello to everyone my name is keith and I would like to know if there is a
 music sound editer that is screenreader friendly. I've just bought a Korg
 x50 keyboard that I want to do some sound editing on but the software that
 came with it is not screenreader friendly.  I use Jaws for windows version
 10, HELP!!!
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Re: plugins for gold wave

2009-03-30 Thread Bruce Toews
Which will be integrated into the next version. Buy now and save yourself 
the increase in price that will come with version 5.5.


Bruce

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Chris Hallsworth wrote:


Try GWVoice from GoldWave themselves.

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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: plugins for gold wave


Hey listers! Just wondering what some of you are using for effects in
goldwave. I'm looking for more dx plugins to play with audio. Any
suggestions of free or low cost plugins that have lots of effects or
presets?
thanks for your help
bb
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Re: music sound editer

2009-03-30 Thread keith

OK, thanks to both of you I will check into those sudjestions

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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: music sound editer



If you choose to use Sonar, there's also a free set of Jaws scripts called
JSonar. You can go to

www.jsonar.org

to read about it and download it.

Since you'll be learning Sonar for the first time, I recommend the
CakeTalking package from Dancing Dots. That comes with plenty of
documentation.
- Original Message - 
From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: music sound editer



Hello Kieth.

Haven't time to give links, but there is quite a choice of sound editors
that work with screen readers generally including JFW.

Paid for stereo editors include:
Sony:
Sound Forge, Sound Studio

Goldwave

Studio Recorder from A P H.  - this doesn't need scripts or anything as 
it

is designed from the ground up to be accessible.  Can be used for music,

but

is primarily meant for speech editing.

Audacity, which is freeware or open source software.  Believe there are

JFW

scripts for this one.  It is a multi-track editor but can of course be

used

for stereo editing.

In the multi-track field there is Sonar or Cakewalk which it developped

from

I believe.  tthis is a combined audio and midi editor and very much aimed

at

musicians.  Think the scripts here come from Dancing Dots.

Finally, their is Adobe Audition, but how well this works with JFW I

simply

don't know.  this was known as Cool Edit until Adobe acquired it, since

when

it has gone through a few inaccessible versions, but I hear things are
beginning to be put right re. post version 3.

So, hope all that helps and a bit of Googling will turn up the info you

need.


keith wrote:
Hello to everyone my name is keith and I would like to know if there is a
music sound editer that is screenreader friendly. I've just bought a Korg
x50 keyboard that I want to do some sound editing on but the software 
that
came with it is not screenreader friendly.  I use Jaws for windows 
version

10, HELP!!!
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Re: converting other file types

2009-03-30 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I use Switch Audio File Conversion Software from 
http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html. You can download the trial ware 
for free. When the trial period runs out, you can still convert WMA to 
MP3 using the free version of Switch. Since you're converting from one 
lossless format to another, will result in a loss of sound quality. It 
isn't clear whether this would be noticeable or not though. That would 
depend in part on the type of audio and the bit rates and sampling rates 
used in the source and target files.



Les Gordon wrote:

the website for digital media pro version 2.3 is www.deskshare.com

you can download the demo there and then purchase if you like it.

thanks les


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donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: converting other file types


Where do you get it and what is the cost? In the conversion process 
do you

lose any of the quality?

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From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org 
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]

On Behalf Of Les Gordon
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:18 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting other file types

hi, i use digital media pro 2.3 that can convert most of those file 
types

include dvd and others.

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To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:54 AM
Subject: converting other file types


On a similar subject about file conversion, is there a program that 
will

convert wma to mp3? How much quality is lost in the process?

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From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org 
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]

On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

Thanks all for the information. I personally didn't interpret do not
decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content as
prohibiting me from converting the media format. Maybe if it had said
electronic content instead of audible content I might have 
interpreted
it differently. After all, you are allowed to download it, stream it 
and

write it to CD for your own personal use. Granted, I might have read
this with a pair of rose colored glasses on.

I guess my main point was two fold. First, I saw quite a few sites 
which
claimed that their product was a legal way to convert Audible files 
into

other formats and other sites which talked about what was and wasn't
legal given Audible's terms and conditions, the DMAC, fair use and 
court

cases, which lead me to believe that it isn't clear what is and isn't
legal in this case.

Second, as others have stated on this list, I doubt any company or law
enforcement agency would prosecute anyone who was making copies for
their own personal use and was scrupulous about making sure those 
copies

didn't end up in anyone else's hands. Note that I also feel it's clear
that sharing these files, even with a few friends, is illegal, although
maybe not unethical.

Richard Claypool wrote:

Hi,

there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits
breaking encryption on files.  This has been one of the complaints of
people for ages that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd
for thier own use because it violates the DMCA.
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- Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt
adr...@adrianspratt.com
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats



Bruce,

This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about
Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There
is really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or
otherwise using products they own for their own purposes. I assume
the manufacturer's purpose behind the provision you quote is to
discourage dissemination of these materials. But if individuals don't
have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would have any reason
to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that said, I
share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use
them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two.
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats

It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.

Bruce

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the
legal jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus fair
use in the US would allow you to convert Audible books into another
format for your own personal use.


RE: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?

2009-03-30 Thread Vic Beckley
I use Rhapsody WMA files all the time with Winamp and WMP.  As long as you
keep your licenses up to date by running the Rhapsody software every so
often, they play just fine with any media player that is aware of Windows
media DRM.

Vic


-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:02 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?

 From the review at 
http://mp3.about.com/od/digitalmusicdelivery/fr/Rhapsodyreview.htm, it says:

File Formats:
Rhapsody has its own DRM system just like the iTunes Store does to 
protect its music files. The DRM system that is used is known as Helix. 
The file format that is used with this encryption technology is RAX (AAC 
encapsulated in Helix). You can alternatively download WMA files if you 
prefer; these are protected with Microsoft's WMDRM system.

I don't use Rhapsody myself, but the implication that you could only get 
Real audio files from Rhapsody didn't sound right to me, so a quick trip 
to Google gave me the above information.

Gary G Schindler wrote:
 I think Rhapsody is basically for real audio files!

 - Original Message - From: Robert doc Wright 
 talmi...@wrightplaceinc.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?


 I had a problem getting jaws to interact with rhapsody.

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 msn
 godfeare...@hotmail.com


 - Original Message - From: Jamie Pauls
 To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:54 PM
 Subject: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?


 Greetings list:

 I teach a music appreciation class at a local community college. In 
 the fall
 of this year, I am switching to a new textbook, The Musical 
 Experience by
 John Chiego. Every instructor of the class receives a year of 
 Rhapsody to Go
 which allows one to transfer songs from Rhapsody to a supported MP3 
 player.
 Each chapter of the text has an accompanying playlist. I am familiar 
 with
 using Rhapsody and have no trouble there. I have also been playing with
 Applian Technology's Replay Media Catcher program to grab the 
 playlists and
 convert them to MP3 files. Applian says this is legal, but I have to 
 wonder
 if Rhapsody would be thrilled. I will use Media Catcher if I have no 
 other
 option, but an MP3 player with attached speakers would be preferable 
 to CDs
 and a boom box anyway. Does anyone have any experience with any of 
 the MP3
 players supported by Rhapsody? Any help would be appreciated.

 Jamie Pauls, MT-BC
 E-mail: jamiepa...@sbcglobal.net
 Web site: http://www.accesswatch.info
 Blog: http://accesswatch.blogspot.com
 RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/accesswatch
 Skype: jamie.pauls
 Windows Live Messenger: jamiepa...@hotmail.com


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Re: Affordable cell phone and talking software

2009-03-30 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Sorry. I'm not the moderator, so I'll obviously defer to the moderator, 
but at the pc-audio.org web site it says:


PC-audio is a list for the discussion of any PC audio related topic such 
as PC audio software like sound editors, audio players and audio 
formats; and hardware like sound cards, CD and DVD devices and so on.


While the subject matter is wide ranging, this is not a forum for the 
discussion of non-pc-audio matters. There are many other lists for 
political or other discussions.


My interpretation is that this does not extend to any talking or audio 
playing device but rather PC based software and hardware. As stated 
above, there are lists for accessible cell phones, accessible 
electronics and so on. If my interpretation is to  narrow then I stand 
corrected!


Vic Beckley wrote:

Sorry, I didn't know it was off topic since it pertained to talking devices.
I will follow your suggestion.

Vic


-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:44 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Affordable cell phone and talking software

Did you mean to send this request to this list? Not only is it off 
topic, but you won't get as many good responses as you would by sending 
it to a list like the Accessible Phones Discussion List. You can get 
more information on that list, view the archives and subscribe by going 
to the URL 
http://mosenexplosion.com/mailman/listinfo/blindphones_mosenexplosion.com.


When you post your question there, I'd suggest adding some information 
to your question, such as what you mean by 


basic cell phone that will speak to me. I'm guessing you want to make and
receive phone calls, want to know phone status (such as battery levels,
connection strength and so on) and move through some of the phone's menus.
what about text messaging, contact list and other PIM applications? Also, do
you know what network you'll be on? You have a different set of choices if
you're going with CDMA versus GSM, for example. Also, where you live will
make a difference.

Good luck!

Vic Beckley wrote:

  

Hi all,

 


I know I am going to get as many responses on this as there are people,


but
  

I need help.  I have not kept up with the progress in cell phone access.
All I need is a basic cell phone that will speak to me.  What is the best
service provider to go with, the best cell phone to go with, and the best
speech package to go with?  Do you buy all 3 from the same place or


separate
  

places?  Thanks in advance.

 


Vic

 


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RE: Affordable cell phone and talking software

2009-03-30 Thread Vic Beckley
Sorry, I didn't know it was off topic since it pertained to talking devices.
I will follow your suggestion.

Vic


-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:44 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Affordable cell phone and talking software

Did you mean to send this request to this list? Not only is it off 
topic, but you won't get as many good responses as you would by sending 
it to a list like the Accessible Phones Discussion List. You can get 
more information on that list, view the archives and subscribe by going 
to the URL 
http://mosenexplosion.com/mailman/listinfo/blindphones_mosenexplosion.com.

When you post your question there, I'd suggest adding some information 
to your question, such as what you mean by 

basic cell phone that will speak to me. I'm guessing you want to make and
receive phone calls, want to know phone status (such as battery levels,
connection strength and so on) and move through some of the phone's menus.
what about text messaging, contact list and other PIM applications? Also, do
you know what network you'll be on? You have a different set of choices if
you're going with CDMA versus GSM, for example. Also, where you live will
make a difference.

Good luck!

Vic Beckley wrote:

 Hi all,

  

 I know I am going to get as many responses on this as there are people,
but
 I need help.  I have not kept up with the progress in cell phone access.
 All I need is a basic cell phone that will speak to me.  What is the best
 service provider to go with, the best cell phone to go with, and the best
 speech package to go with?  Do you buy all 3 from the same place or
separate
 places?  Thanks in advance.

  

 Vic

  

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RE: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?

2009-03-30 Thread Jamie Pauls
I'm not sure what format the playlist of files from the textbook are in. Not
sure how to get at that info since I can't actually download the files.
Thanks. 

-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Vic Beckley
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:09 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?

I use Rhapsody WMA files all the time with Winamp and WMP.  As long as you
keep your licenses up to date by running the Rhapsody software every so
often, they play just fine with any media player that is aware of Windows
media DRM.

Vic


-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:02 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?

 From the review at
http://mp3.about.com/od/digitalmusicdelivery/fr/Rhapsodyreview.htm, it says:

File Formats:
Rhapsody has its own DRM system just like the iTunes Store does to protect
its music files. The DRM system that is used is known as Helix. 
The file format that is used with this encryption technology is RAX (AAC
encapsulated in Helix). You can alternatively download WMA files if you
prefer; these are protected with Microsoft's WMDRM system.

I don't use Rhapsody myself, but the implication that you could only get
Real audio files from Rhapsody didn't sound right to me, so a quick trip to
Google gave me the above information.

Gary G Schindler wrote:
 I think Rhapsody is basically for real audio files!

 - Original Message - From: Robert doc Wright 
 talmi...@wrightplaceinc.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?


 I had a problem getting jaws to interact with rhapsody.

 **
 Let a smile be your lantern of joy


 robert Doc Wright
 http://www.wrightplaceinc.net
 msn
 godfeare...@hotmail.com


 - Original Message - From: Jamie Pauls
 To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:54 PM
 Subject: Is there an accessible MP3 player that works with Rhapsody?


 Greetings list:

 I teach a music appreciation class at a local community college. In 
 the fall of this year, I am switching to a new textbook, The Musical 
 Experience by John Chiego. Every instructor of the class receives a 
 year of Rhapsody to Go which allows one to transfer songs from 
 Rhapsody to a supported MP3 player.
 Each chapter of the text has an accompanying playlist. I am familiar 
 with using Rhapsody and have no trouble there. I have also been 
 playing with Applian Technology's Replay Media Catcher program to 
 grab the playlists and convert them to MP3 files. Applian says this 
 is legal, but I have to wonder if Rhapsody would be thrilled. I will 
 use Media Catcher if I have no other option, but an MP3 player with 
 attached speakers would be preferable to CDs and a boom box anyway. 
 Does anyone have any experience with any of the MP3 players supported 
 by Rhapsody? Any help would be appreciated.

 Jamie Pauls, MT-BC
 E-mail: jamiepa...@sbcglobal.net
 Web site: http://www.accesswatch.info
 Blog: http://accesswatch.blogspot.com
 RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/accesswatch
 Skype: jamie.pauls
 Windows Live Messenger: jamiepa...@hotmail.com


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Re: plugins for gold wave

2009-03-30 Thread Sunshine
why would a person have to pay for the upgrade if they already have a life 
time licenses?
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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: plugins for gold wave


Which will be integrated into the next version. Buy now and save yourself
the increase in price that will come with version 5.5.

Bruce

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Chris Hallsworth wrote:

 Try GWVoice from GoldWave themselves.

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 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:35 PM
 Subject: plugins for gold wave


 Hey listers! Just wondering what some of you are using for effects in
 goldwave. I'm looking for more dx plugins to play with audio. Any
 suggestions of free or low cost plugins that have lots of effects or
 presets?
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Re: plugins for gold wave

2009-03-30 Thread Bruce Toews
They wouldn't. What I'm saying is that, for someone who hasn't already 
purchased Gold Wave and wishes to, they should do so now because the cost 
will go up for version 5.5. However, the GWVoice plugin will be integrated 
into Gold Wave.


Bruce

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Sunshine wrote:


why would a person have to pay for the upgrade if they already have a life
time licenses?
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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: plugins for gold wave


Which will be integrated into the next version. Buy now and save yourself
the increase in price that will come with version 5.5.

Bruce

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Chris Hallsworth wrote:


Try GWVoice from GoldWave themselves.

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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: plugins for gold wave


Hey listers! Just wondering what some of you are using for effects in
goldwave. I'm looking for more dx plugins to play with audio. Any
suggestions of free or low cost plugins that have lots of effects or
presets?
thanks for your help
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