Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Thanks.
I’m not that hifi nerd as it may sounds so don’t worry.
Although sound and such intrests me a lot.
/A
> On 5 Oct 2016, at 12:46, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> It's the Azitom Stealth Air 2. I got it a few years ago so it's dropped in
> price on Amazon. It's currently selling for £118. It's not Hi-Fi but sounds
> pretty good. I use it when I'm exercising in the loft.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Anders
> Holmberg
> Sent: 05 October 2016 01:37
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> Hi!
> Whats the name of that one?
> That would be something for me if its not extremly expensive?
> /AD
>> 4 okt. 2016 kl. 08:37 skrev John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com>:
>> 
>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
>> Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you
> select either.
>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just 
>> how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years
> ago?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
>>> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>> 
>>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>>>> least it
>>> is still there.
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control 
>>>>> center, it
>>> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
>>> you not mentioned it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> **
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>>>>> outlooks
>>> are the solution.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
>>>>>> you
>>> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
>>> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
>>> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with 
>>> other music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were 
>>> using an iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. 
>>> Double tap on that, and you will see all the choices of whatever 
>>> other airplay and able audio devices you have. This is true for the 
>>> Amazon music app and the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in 
>>> general, although those are the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the 
>>> option of having the air play control it within the app. That's how 
>>> it used to be before they moved
>> it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
>>> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers 
>>> to include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the 
>>> app. That was the most convenient I thought.
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the 
>>>>>>> control
>>> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>>>>>>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - 
>>>>>>> which I
>>> don't have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio 
>>> to any other compatible device.
>>>>>>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music 
>>>>>>> App,
>>> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, 
>>> a little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I 
>>> can still select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it 
>>> has to be
>> said.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[John Gurd]

I just tried Airplay on my Stealth 2 using my iPod 6th gen with Apple Music.
Mary you're right, It wasn't as laggy as I thought and it's much better
having Voice Over on the device. It even sounded better. I'll use it from
now on. :)

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 04 October 2016 17:14
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

I share your disappointment.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 3:11 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes. I was really looking forward to that in iOS 10. That was the feature
I most wanted as a matter of fact. And then it turned out to be useless.
Really disappointing, especially for Apple TV.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 9:01 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm, Maybe I'll have another go with Airplay then. Incidentally, 
>> there was a rumour that IOS 10 was going to allow one to keep Voice 
>> Over on a device while playing audio over Bluetooth. I was 
>> disappointed when it didn't transpire. Instead, it allows you to have 
>> audio on one channel and Voice Over on the other.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:32
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages 
>> to using airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and 
>> doesn't interfere with the music. For another, you can have multiple 
>> rooms playing from one Mac. Of course you have to have airport 
>> expresses. But it still beats Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm 
>> concerned. And not having VoiceOver interfering with my music is a 
>> huge advantage. And it's also less laggy Bluetooth. I have to 
>> disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my android device when 
>> I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not fun. Plus, I 
>> have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my Mac 
>> wouldn't reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went 
>> downstairs for something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that
downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I'll get to that in a moment.
>>> I've not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of 
>>> something
>> that sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which 
>> has Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the 
>>> Zeplin Air
>> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn't as 
>> good as AirPlay.
>>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don't see a future 
>>> for
>> AirPlay and the "Lag" exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most 
>> telling point in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless
headphones for example.
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
>>>> Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets 
>>>> you
>> select either.
>>>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count 
>>>> just how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a 
>>>> few years
>> ago?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio 
>>>>> using a method different from anyone else to thousands of 
>>>>> appliances designed just for it and depended upon by millions of 
>>>>> people just to get rid of it? No, that

RE: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[John Gurd]

It's the Azitom Stealth Air 2. I got it a few years ago so it's dropped in
price on Amazon. It's currently selling for £118. It's not Hi-Fi but sounds
pretty good. I use it when I'm exercising in the loft.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Anders
Holmberg
Sent: 05 October 2016 01:37
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

Hi!
Whats the name of that one?
That would be something for me if its not extremly expensive?
/AD
> 4 okt. 2016 kl. 08:37 skrev John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com>:
> 
> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
> Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you
select either.
> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just 
> how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years
ago?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
>> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>>> least it
>> is still there.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control 
>>>> center, it
>> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
>> you not mentioned it.
>>>> 
>>>> **
>>>> 
>>>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>>>> outlooks
>> are the solution.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
>>>>> you
>> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
>> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
>> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with 
>> other music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were 
>> using an iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. 
>> Double tap on that, and you will see all the choices of whatever 
>> other airplay and able audio devices you have. This is true for the 
>> Amazon music app and the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in 
>> general, although those are the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the 
>> option of having the air play control it within the app. That's how 
>> it used to be before they moved
> it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
>> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers 
>> to include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the 
>> app. That was the most convenient I thought.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the 
>>>>>> control
>> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>>>>>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - 
>>>>>> which I
>> don't have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio 
>> to any other compatible device.
>>>>>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music 
>>>>>> App,
>> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, 
>> a little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I 
>> can still select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it 
>> has to be
> said.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Whats the name of that one?
That would be something for me if its not extremly expensive?
/AD
> 4 okt. 2016 kl. 08:37 skrev John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com>:
> 
> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
> and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
> many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
>> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>>> least it
>> is still there.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, 
>>>> it
>> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
>> you not mentioned it.
>>>> 
>>>> **
>>>> 
>>>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>>>> outlooks
>> are the solution.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
>>>>> you
>> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
>> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
>> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with other 
>> music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an 
>> iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. Double tap on 
>> that, and you will see all the choices of whatever other airplay and 
>> able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon music app and 
>> the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in general, although those are 
>> the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option of having the air 
>> play control it within the app. That's how it used to be before they moved
> it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
>> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
>> include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the 
>> app. That was the most convenient I thought.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the 
>>>>>> control
>> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>>>>>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - 
>>>>>> which I
>> don't have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio 
>> to any other compatible device.
>>>>>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music 
>>>>>> App,
>> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a 
>> little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I can 
>> still select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be
> said.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

I share your disappointment.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 3:11 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes. I was really looking forward to that in iOS 10. That was the feature I 
> most wanted as a matter of fact. And then it turned out to be useless. Really 
> disappointing, especially for Apple TV.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 9:01 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm, Maybe I'll have another go with Airplay then. Incidentally, there was
>> a rumour that IOS 10 was going to allow one to keep Voice Over on a device
>> while playing audio over Bluetooth. I was disappointed when it didn't
>> transpire. Instead, it allows you to have audio on one channel and Voice
>> Over on the other. 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>> Otten
>> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:32
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using
>> airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere
>> with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one
>> Mac. Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats
>> Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver
>> interfering with my music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy
>> Bluetooth. I have to disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my
>> android device when I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not
>> fun. Plus, I have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my
>> Mac wouldn't reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went
>> downstairs for something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that
>> downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I'll get to that in a moment.
>>> I've not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something
>> that sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has
>> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air
>> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn't as good as
>> AirPlay.
>>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don't see a future for
>> AirPlay and the "Lag" exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point
>> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
>>>> Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you
>> select either.
>>>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just 
>>>> how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years
>> ago?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio 
>>>>> using a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>>>>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>>>>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Mary Otten]

I suppose that this to channel thing with voiceover in one and sound in the 
other could be useful if you're wearing a headset, taking a phone call and 
listening to the phone with one here and VoiceOver doing something with the 
other ear. I couldn't do that, but somebody probably good. Also for people who 
use mixers, of whom I am not one, I guess this could be useful. But for the use 
I wanted it for, it's useless.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Well that’s really good down to earth common sense ain’t it , too bad 
> if you want to listen to stereo.
> On the other hand perhaps Apple can’t easily separate Voiceover from the 
> Bluetooth stream without a major redesign.
> 
>> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 3:01 am, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm, Maybe I'll have another go with Airplay then. Incidentally, there was
>> a rumour that IOS 10 was going to allow one to keep Voice Over on a device
>> while playing audio over Bluetooth. I was disappointed when it didn't
>> transpire. Instead, it allows you to have audio on one channel and Voice
>> Over on the other. 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>> Otten
>> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:32
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using
>> airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere
>> with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one
>> Mac. Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats
>> Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver
>> interfering with my music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy
>> Bluetooth. I have to disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my
>> android device when I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not
>> fun. Plus, I have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my
>> Mac wouldn't reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went
>> downstairs for something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that
>> downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I'll get to that in a moment.
>>> I've not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something
>> that sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has
>> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air
>> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn't as good as
>> AirPlay.
>>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don't see a future for
>> AirPlay and the "Lag" exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point
>> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
>>>> Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you
>> select either.
>>>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just 
>>>> how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years
>> ago?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio 
>>>>> using a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>>>>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>>>>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

Well that’s really good down to earth common sense ain’t it , too bad if 
you want to listen to stereo.
On the other hand perhaps Apple can’t easily separate Voiceover from the 
Bluetooth stream without a major redesign.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 3:01 am, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm, Maybe I'll have another go with Airplay then. Incidentally, there was
> a rumour that IOS 10 was going to allow one to keep Voice Over on a device
> while playing audio over Bluetooth. I was disappointed when it didn't
> transpire. Instead, it allows you to have audio on one channel and Voice
> Over on the other. 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:32
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using
> airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere
> with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one
> Mac. Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats
> Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver
> interfering with my music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy
> Bluetooth. I have to disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my
> android device when I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not
> fun. Plus, I have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my
> Mac wouldn't reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went
> downstairs for something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that
> downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I'll get to that in a moment.
>> I've not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something
> that sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has
> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air
> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn't as good as
> AirPlay.
>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don't see a future for
> AirPlay and the "Lag" exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point
> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
>>> Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you
> select either.
>>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>> 
>>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just 
>>> how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years
> ago?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio 
>>>> using a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>>>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>>>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>>> 
>>>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>>>>> least it
>>>> is still there.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>>> <grtd...

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, an excellent point regarding Bluetooth and the iPhone with Voiceover and 
having Voiceover play with your music is quite a pain, that’s one of the 
annoyances I had when I had the Apple TV 2nd Generation, Voiceover would 
announce each new track as it played and the only way I knew of to stop that 
happening was to go into the menu system, turn Voiceover off and hope I’d 
remember to turn Voiceover back on again when I’d finished playing my music.
I didn’t think one could play to multi rooms or multiple devices using AirPlay 
on an iOS device?
And whilst we’re on the subject of AirPlay, congratulations to Spotify as 
they’ve found a way around Apple’s reluctance to allow third party Apps to put 
the AirPlay Icon near the volume control where it used to be in Apps, there’s a 
“Button” at the bottom of the Spotify App which isn’t labeled.
Double-tap on this and you’ll see a list of Spotify Connect devices if you have 
any but even more importantly you’ll see a “More Devices” icon, double-tap this 
and you’ll be presented with a list of AirPlay and Bluetooth devices Spotify 
can connect to.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 2:32 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using 
> airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere 
> with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one 
> Mac. Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats 
> Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver 
> interfering with my music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy 
> Bluetooth. I have to disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my android 
> device when I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not fun. Plus, 
> I have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my Mac wouldn't 
> reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went downstairs for 
> something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that downstairs stereo. 
> Bluetooth won't go that far.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I’ll get to that in a moment.
>> I’ve not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something that 
>> sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has 
>> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air 
>> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn’t as good as 
>> AirPlay.
>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don’t see a future for 
>> AirPlay and the “Lag” exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point 
>> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
>>> and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
>>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
>>> Trethowan
>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>> 
>>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
>>> many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
>>>> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>>>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>>>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>>> 
>>>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
&g

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Mary Otten]

For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using 
airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere 
with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one Mac. 
Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats Bluetooth for 
sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver interfering with my 
music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy Bluetooth. I have to 
disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my android device when I'm 
playing music through my mega boom speakers is not fun. Plus, I have a stereo 
downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my Mac wouldn't reach there. And 
if I left my eye device upstairs and went downstairs for something, I'd be out 
of luck if I wanted to use that downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I’ll get to that in a moment.
> I’ve not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something that 
> sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has 
> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air 
> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn’t as good as 
> AirPlay.
> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don’t see a future for 
> AirPlay and the “Lag” exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point 
> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
> 
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
>> and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
>> many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
>>> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>> 
>>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>>>> least it
>>> is still there.
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, 
>>>>> it
>>> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
>>> you not mentioned it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> **
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>>>>> outlooks
>>> are the solution.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
>>>>>> you
>>> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
>>> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
>>> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with other 
>>> music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an 
>>> iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. Double tap on 
>>> that, and you will see all the choice

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I’ll get to that in a moment.
I’ve not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something that 
sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has Bluetooth 
and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air DLNA 
connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn’t as good as AirPlay.
Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don’t see a future for AirPlay 
and the “Lag” exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point in this 
discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.

> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
> and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
> many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
>> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>>> least it
>> is still there.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, 
>>>> it
>> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
>> you not mentioned it.
>>>> 
>>>> **
>>>> 
>>>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>>>> outlooks
>> are the solution.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
>>>>> you
>> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
>> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
>> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with other 
>> music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an 
>> iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. Double tap on 
>> that, and you will see all the choices of whatever other airplay and 
>> able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon music app and 
>> the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in general, although those are 
>> the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option of having the air 
>> play control it within the app. That's how it used to be before they moved
> it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
>> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
>> include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the 
>> app. That was the most convenient I thought.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the 
>>>>>> control
>> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>>>>>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - 
>>>>>> which I
>> don't have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio 
>> to any other compatible device.
>>>>>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music 
>>>>>> App,
>> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a 
>> little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I can 
>> still select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be
> said.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[John Gurd]

I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?



On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>
> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>
>
>
> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>> least it
> is still there.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, 
>>> it
> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
> you not mentioned it.
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>>> outlooks
> are the solution.
>>>
>>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
>>>> you
> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with other 
> music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an 
> iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. Double tap on 
> that, and you will see all the choices of whatever other airplay and 
> able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon music app and 
> the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in general, although those are 
> the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option of having the air 
> play control it within the app. That's how it used to be before they moved
it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
> include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the 
> app. That was the most convenient I thought.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>>>>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the 
>>>>> control
> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>>>>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - 
>>>>> which I
> don't have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio 
> to any other compatible device.
>>>>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music 
>>>>> App,
> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a 
> little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I can 
> still select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be
said.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>
>

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?



On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At least it is 
still there.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, it was 
where you said on page two, would never have known about it had you not 
mentioned it.


**

Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive outlooks are 
the solution.



On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:

You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although you might not 
know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to "page 2, in your 
control center view, by doing the iOS page change three finger flick, one of the 
things you will see in there with other music controls is the announcement iPhone, 
assuming you were using an iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. 
Double tap on that, and you will see all the choices of whatever other airplay and 
able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon music app and the Apple 
Music app. I assume it's true in general, although those are the only two I tried. 
Frankly, I like the option of having the air play control it within the app. That's 
how it used to be before they moved it to control center. And I wish they would put 
it back. Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the app. That was the 
most convenient I thought.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?

I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the control center 
and activate AirPlay from there.

On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - which I don't 
have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio to any other 
compatible device.

The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music App, launch 
the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a little annoying 
to have to perform that extra step but at least I can still select my AirPlay 
device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be said.

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Mary Otten]

Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At least it is 
still there.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, it was 
> where you said on page two, would never have known about it had you not 
> mentioned it.
> 
> 
> **
> 
> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive outlooks are 
> the solution.
> 
> 
>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although you might 
>> not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to "page 2, in 
>> your control center view, by doing the iOS page change three finger flick, 
>> one of the things you will see in there with other music controls is the 
>> announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an iPhone. Or it might say 
>> iPad, if you're using an iPad. Double tap on that, and you will see all the 
>> choices of whatever other airplay and able audio devices you have. This is 
>> true for the Amazon music app and the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in 
>> general, although those are the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option 
>> of having the air play control it within the app. That's how it used to be 
>> before they moved it to control center. And I wish they would put it back. 
>> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
>> include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the app. That 
>> was the most convenient I thought.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the control 
>>> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>>> 
>>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - which I don't 
>>> have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio to any other 
>>> compatible device.
>>> 
>>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music App, 
>>> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a 
>>> little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I can still 
>>> select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be said.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, it was 
where you said on page two, would never have known about it had you not 
mentioned it.


**

Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive outlooks are 
the solution.


> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although you might 
> not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to "page 2, in your 
> control center view, by doing the iOS page change three finger flick, one of 
> the things you will see in there with other music controls is the 
> announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an iPhone. Or it might say iPad, 
> if you're using an iPad. Double tap on that, and you will see all the choices 
> of whatever other airplay and able audio devices you have. This is true for 
> the Amazon music app and the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in general, 
> although those are the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option of having 
> the air play control it within the app. That's how it used to be before they 
> moved it to control center. And I wish they would put it back. Or at least 
> wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to include that 
> airplay functionality right in the main screen of the app. That was the most 
> convenient I thought.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>> 
>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the control 
>> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>> 
>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - which I don't 
>> have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio to any other 
>> compatible device.
>> 
>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music App, 
>> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a 
>> little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I can still 
>> select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be said.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

On your last point about the AirPlay button being available in other 
Apps I agree with you and hope they bring it back and thanks for the tip 
about AirPlay in the Control Center, I'll give that a try in a few 
minutes and that will solve my problems in that area.


Listening to Spotify Radio right now.



On 3/10/2016 7:06 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although you might not 
know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to "page 2, in your 
control center view, by doing the iOS page change three finger flick, one of the 
things you will see in there with other music controls is the announcement iPhone, 
assuming you were using an iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. 
Double tap on that, and you will see all the choices of whatever other airplay and 
able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon music app and the Apple 
Music app. I assume it's true in general, although those are the only two I tried. 
Frankly, I like the option of having the air play control it within the app. That's 
how it used to be before they moved it to control center. And I wish they would put 
it back. Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the app. That was the 
most convenient I thought.

Mary


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On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?

I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the control center 
and activate AirPlay from there.

On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - which I don't 
have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio to any other 
compatible device.

The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music App, launch 
the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a little annoying 
to have to perform that extra step but at least I can still select my AirPlay 
device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be said.

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Mary Otten]

You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although you might 
not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to "page 2, in your 
control center view, by doing the iOS page change three finger flick, one of 
the things you will see in there with other music controls is the announcement 
iPhone, assuming you were using an iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're 
using an iPad. Double tap on that, and you will see all the choices of whatever 
other airplay and able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon 
music app and the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in general, although 
those are the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option of having the air 
play control it within the app. That's how it used to be before they moved it 
to control center. And I wish they would put it back. Or at least wish they 
would have the flexibility for app developers to include that airplay 
functionality right in the main screen of the app. That was the most convenient 
I thought.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
> 
> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the control center 
> and activate AirPlay from there.
> 
> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - which I don't 
> have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio to any other 
> compatible device.
> 
> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music App, launch 
> the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a little 
> annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I can still select 
> my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be said.
> 
> 
>