subject:"RE\: iPhone Dock\: The Choice Has Been Made"

The trouble with Logitech stuff is that you can never be sure just how good 
your device will actually be when you buy it.

For example, the Logitech Squeezebox Boom Duet, and Radio units I have are 
absolutely first class.

I bought a pair of Logitech USB headphones and the damn things fell to bits, 
the cord started curling and eventually perrished.

I bought a Logitech Bluetooth Boombox and found to my annoyance that they'd 
cheapened it, whilst it sounded very nice on power it sounded bloody awful on 
its rechargeable battery, only about a quarter of the power for the amps on 
battery compared to what you'd get with power.

Articles in computer related journals of late have highlighted how Logitech are 
further cheapening their range so that can only mean less quality control, more 
shortcuts etc.

I've bought a couple more Logitech devices that I could tell you about but I 
think that's enough to illustrate my point .

Its a shame because - as I've already stated - some of the stuff that company 
produced was absolutely top notch, even their airPlay speaker sounds God Damn 
Awful.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 11:08 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

> Hi!
> Yes, i am not sure but i have a logitech hw800 which is both bluetooth and 
> also has a small transmitter that fits into the computers usb port.
> Atleast to me they're very very nice.
> /A
> 23 feb 2014 kl. 00:57 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
>> No problem and your thoughts are noted and points taken .
>> 
>> Of course its a general comment you made isn't it because there are - as I 
>> have been reminded - exceptions to the rul, more and more people are using 
>> FLAC or other Lossless compression to store their music for example, people 
>> are rediscovering the true and straight forward Hi-Fi amp and nice speakers, 
>> not many I grant you but the market is still there.
>> 
>> I chose airPlay and other Wi-Fi protocols over Bluetooth because of the 
>> better streaming quality you get though with Bluetooth 4.0 and above its 
>> very close.
>> 
>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 10:51 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Young people just want to listen to music at the highest volume possible.
>>> Atleast heere in sweden.
>>> Note that this is my thoughts so its not a statement.
>>> The sad thing with hifi products here is that they're to expensive for my 
>>> budget so i can't aford most of the things i really want.
>>> /A
>>> 22 feb 2014 kl. 20:36 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>>> 
 I heard the Bowers And Wilkins yesterday morning, I listened to their 3 
 airPlay models, all of which were superb!

 I listened to some floor standing and bookshelf models and again just 
 outstanding and so was the price , a little out of my budget, I'll 
 be able to afford the Z2 and I actually think it very good value for money 
 given its sound and straight forward design, compact size etc.

 Incidentally, I know people in the States who say that high end audio 
 shops are just about extinct there, is that true? Things seem to be going 
 that way over here too and that's a crying shame as so many of the younger 
 generations just aren't going to know what quality sound is, quality sound 
 is not! listening to an iPod connected to a Bluetooth speaker that fits in 
 your hand, listening to music through a pair of Plantronics headphones etc.

 On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:31 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:

> Well I can say they were definitely here in the US in 1996 which is when 
> I auditioned several B&W speakers. They may have gone away for a while 
> and now coming back again. At any rate, they make a fantastic product and 
> I probably would have gotten all B&W speakers instead of Klipsch if I 
> could have afforded it. They were just a little too far out of my budget. 
> Their best attribute IMHO is their transparency. Very natural sound with 
> fantastic imaging. I'm glad to hear they are making another push into 
> this market over here.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rick alfaro
> 
> On 2/22/2014 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I 
>> read a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail 
>> - which suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio 
>> market in the U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison 
>> between B&W and other well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston 
>> Acoustics, Altec Lansing, Bose and so on.
>> 
>> Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics 
>> have taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as 
>>> you said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center 
>>> channel for m

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Hi!
Yes, i am not sure but i have a logitech hw800 which is both bluetooth and also 
has a small transmitter that fits into the computers usb port.
Atleast to me they're very very nice.
/A
23 feb 2014 kl. 00:57 skrev Dane Trethowan :

> No problem and your thoughts are noted and points taken .
> 
> Of course its a general comment you made isn't it because there are - as I 
> have been reminded - exceptions to the rul, more and more people are using 
> FLAC or other Lossless compression to store their music for example, people 
> are rediscovering the true and straight forward Hi-Fi amp and nice speakers, 
> not many I grant you but the market is still there.
> 
> I chose airPlay and other Wi-Fi protocols over Bluetooth because of the 
> better streaming quality you get though with Bluetooth 4.0 and above its very 
> close.
> 
> On 23 Feb 2014, at 10:51 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Young people just want to listen to music at the highest volume possible.
>> Atleast heere in sweden.
>> Note that this is my thoughts so its not a statement.
>> The sad thing with hifi products here is that they're to expensive for my 
>> budget so i can't aford most of the things i really want.
>> /A
>> 22 feb 2014 kl. 20:36 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>> 
>>> I heard the Bowers And Wilkins yesterday morning, I listened to their 3 
>>> airPlay models, all of which were superb!
>>> 
>>> I listened to some floor standing and bookshelf models and again just 
>>> outstanding and so was the price , a little out of my budget, I'll 
>>> be able to afford the Z2 and I actually think it very good value for money 
>>> given its sound and straight forward design, compact size etc.
>>> 
>>> Incidentally, I know people in the States who say that high end audio shops 
>>> are just about extinct there, is that true? Things seem to be going that 
>>> way over here too and that's a crying shame as so many of the younger 
>>> generations just aren't going to know what quality sound is, quality sound 
>>> is not! listening to an iPod connected to a Bluetooth speaker that fits in 
>>> your hand, listening to music through a pair of Plantronics headphones etc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:31 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>>> 
 Well I can say they were definitely here in the US in 1996 which is when I 
 auditioned several B&W speakers. They may have gone away for a while and 
 now coming back again. At any rate, they make a fantastic product and I 
 probably would have gotten all B&W speakers instead of Klipsch if I could 
 have afforded it. They were just a little too far out of my budget. Their 
 best attribute IMHO is their transparency. Very natural sound with 
 fantastic imaging. I'm glad to hear they are making another push into this 
 market over here.
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Rick alfaro
 
 On 2/22/2014 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I 
> read a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail 
> - which suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio 
> market in the U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison 
> between B&W and other well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston 
> Acoustics, Altec Lansing, Bose and so on.
> 
> Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics 
> have taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
> 
> 
> On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
>> Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as 
>> you said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center 
>> channel for my home theater system is B&W.
>> 
>> I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and 
>> my B&W center. I specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the 
>> Klipsch center. In fact, my sub was going to be B&W as well but I 
>> returned it because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound 
>> that was just weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" 
>> active sub with a 15" passive radiator.  This was several years ago and 
>> I haven't upgraded any of the speakers because the system sounds just 
>> the way I like it. It's a better experience watching a BlueRay movie 
>> here in my living room than in the movie theater except for the iMax 
>> ones of course.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Rick alfaro
>> 
>> On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but 
>>> hearing the B & W Z2 was like hearing some Bose for the first time, 
>>> upgrading from a pair of Plantronics Audio 478 headphones to a pair of 
>>> Grado Labs SR60I audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to 
>>> USB 3.0, in other words now you've e

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

No, think its just powered, if you want something for outside then look at the 
Bose Soundlink Air.


On 23 Feb 2014, at 11:05 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

> Hi!
> Sounds great.
> Can i use them outside too?
> /A
> 23 feb 2014 kl. 00:53 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
>> Certainly small enough for that yes.
>> 
>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 10:48 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Are these speakers small enough to put on a table?
>>> I really want some mini speakers with airplay support.
>>> /A
>>> 22 feb 2014 kl. 20:19 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>>> 
 Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I 
 read a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - 
 which suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio 
 market in the U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison 
 between B&W and other well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston 
 Acoustics, Altec Lansing, Bose and so on.
 
 Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics 
 have taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
 
 
 On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
 
> Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as 
> you said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center 
> channel for my home theater system is B&W.
> 
> I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and my 
> B&W center. I specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the 
> Klipsch center. In fact, my sub was going to be B&W as well but I 
> returned it because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound 
> that was just weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" 
> active sub with a 15" passive radiator.  This was several years ago and I 
> haven't upgraded any of the speakers because the system sounds just the 
> way I like it. It's a better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in 
> my living room than in the movie theater except for the iMax ones of 
> course.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rick alfaro
> 
> On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but 
>> hearing the B & W Z2 was like hearing some Bose for the first time, 
>> upgrading from a pair of Plantronics Audio 478 headphones to a pair of 
>> Grado Labs SR60I audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to USB 
>> 3.0, in other words now you've experienced the difference you can't go 
>> back and I urge anyone to hear these B&W speakers to fully appreciate 
>> what we're talking about here, B*&w aren't the sort of thing you're 
>> going to find at your local Radio Shack or Wallmart and I can only add 
>> its a pity that other speakers readily available aren't equal to B&W, 
>> would be a near perfect world if they were.
>> 
>> Of course B&W and the only company doing this sort of stuff and their 
>> entry into the North American market has been recent though they've been 
>> making speakers in the U.K. for donkeys years.
>> 
>> B&W are in the same league as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustic and so forth.
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 Feb 2014, at 9:52 am, Walter Ramage  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.  If these speakers are anything like the B & W CM5  stand mount 
>>> speakers
>>> or the CM9 floor standing speakers then you won't be sorry.  I have 
>>> always
>>> liked B & W speakers as they have a vary balanced sound and have a very 
>>> good
>>> bass response, they are also spacious and imiging is very accurate.  
>>> Ihave
>>> the CM 5s to  listen to music or radio via my PC and downstairs are the
>>> floor standing CM9s which are very impressive.  Good luck with your 
>>> purchase
>>> but as it is B & W, there won't be much luck needed.  Walter.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
>>> Trethowan
>>> Sent: 21 February 2014 22:45
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made
>>> 
>>> Yep folks, I've finally decided what Dock I'm going to buy, I'm after a 
>>> new
>>> one given that I no longer have any IOS devices with 30 Pin connectors
>>> though the only problem there is I have 3 units with 30 pin dock 
>>> connectors,
>>> I'd be absolutely raging! if those devices couldn't be put to other 
>>> uses and
>>> were only useless 30 pin docks .
>>> 
>>> My decision has come down to the Bowers & Wilkins Z2 iPhone dock/airPlay
>>> speaker though I warn everyone now, the price for one of these gorgeous
>>> things is not cheap, at around $400 but - from what I've heard - its
>>> certainly well worth the money spent.
>>> 
>>> The Z2

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Hi!
Sounds great.
Can i use them outside too?
/A
23 feb 2014 kl. 00:53 skrev Dane Trethowan :

> Certainly small enough for that yes.
> 
> On 23 Feb 2014, at 10:48 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Are these speakers small enough to put on a table?
>> I really want some mini speakers with airplay support.
>> /A
>> 22 feb 2014 kl. 20:19 skrev Dane Trethowan :
>> 
>>> Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I 
>>> read a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - 
>>> which suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio market 
>>> in the U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison between B&W 
>>> and other well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustics, 
>>> Altec Lansing, Bose and so on.
>>> 
>>> Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics 
>>> have taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>>> 
 Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as 
 you said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center channel 
 for my home theater system is B&W.
 
 I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and my 
 B&W center. I specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the Klipsch 
 center. In fact, my sub was going to be B&W as well but I returned it 
 because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound that was just 
 weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" active sub with a 
 15" passive radiator.  This was several years ago and I haven't upgraded 
 any of the speakers because the system sounds just the way I like it. It's 
 a better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in my living room than 
 in the movie theater except for the iMax ones of course.
 
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Rick alfaro
 
 On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but hearing 
> the B & W Z2 was like hearing some Bose for the first time, upgrading 
> from a pair of Plantronics Audio 478 headphones to a pair of Grado Labs 
> SR60I audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to USB 3.0, in 
> other words now you've experienced the difference you can't go back and I 
> urge anyone to hear these B&W speakers to fully appreciate what we're 
> talking about here, B*&w aren't the sort of thing you're going to find at 
> your local Radio Shack or Wallmart and I can only add its a pity that 
> other speakers readily available aren't equal to B&W, would be a near 
> perfect world if they were.
> 
> Of course B&W and the only company doing this sort of stuff and their 
> entry into the North American market has been recent though they've been 
> making speakers in the U.K. for donkeys years.
> 
> B&W are in the same league as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustic and so forth.
> 
> 
> On 22 Feb 2014, at 9:52 am, Walter Ramage  wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  If these speakers are anything like the B & W CM5  stand mount 
>> speakers
>> or the CM9 floor standing speakers then you won't be sorry.  I have 
>> always
>> liked B & W speakers as they have a vary balanced sound and have a very 
>> good
>> bass response, they are also spacious and imiging is very accurate.  
>> Ihave
>> the CM 5s to  listen to music or radio via my PC and downstairs are the
>> floor standing CM9s which are very impressive.  Good luck with your 
>> purchase
>> but as it is B & W, there won't be much luck needed.  Walter.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 21 February 2014 22:45
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made
>> 
>> Yep folks, I've finally decided what Dock I'm going to buy, I'm after a 
>> new
>> one given that I no longer have any IOS devices with 30 Pin connectors
>> though the only problem there is I have 3 units with 30 pin dock 
>> connectors,
>> I'd be absolutely raging! if those devices couldn't be put to other uses 
>> and
>> were only useless 30 pin docks .
>> 
>> My decision has come down to the Bowers & Wilkins Z2 iPhone dock/airPlay
>> speaker though I warn everyone now, the price for one of these gorgeous
>> things is not cheap, at around $400 but - from what I've heard - its
>> certainly well worth the money spent.
>> 
>> The Z2 sports a 9 pin Lightning connector, has an Aux-in socket and can 
>> be
>> used with airPlay.
>> 
>> I'll write more when the device arrives and I can test it with my Wi-Fi
>> network etc.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> **
>> 
>> Dane Tr

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

No problem and your thoughts are noted and points taken .

Of course its a general comment you made isn't it because there are - as I have 
been reminded - exceptions to the rul, more and more people are using FLAC or 
other Lossless compression to store their music for example, people are 
rediscovering the true and straight forward Hi-Fi amp and nice speakers, not 
many I grant you but the market is still there.

I chose airPlay and other Wi-Fi protocols over Bluetooth because of the better 
streaming quality you get though with Bluetooth 4.0 and above its very close.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 10:51 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

> Hi!
> Young people just want to listen to music at the highest volume possible.
> Atleast heere in sweden.
> Note that this is my thoughts so its not a statement.
> The sad thing with hifi products here is that they're to expensive for my 
> budget so i can't aford most of the things i really want.
> /A
> 22 feb 2014 kl. 20:36 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
>> I heard the Bowers And Wilkins yesterday morning, I listened to their 3 
>> airPlay models, all of which were superb!
>> 
>> I listened to some floor standing and bookshelf models and again just 
>> outstanding and so was the price , a little out of my budget, I'll be 
>> able to afford the Z2 and I actually think it very good value for money 
>> given its sound and straight forward design, compact size etc.
>> 
>> Incidentally, I know people in the States who say that high end audio shops 
>> are just about extinct there, is that true? Things seem to be going that way 
>> over here too and that's a crying shame as so many of the younger 
>> generations just aren't going to know what quality sound is, quality sound 
>> is not! listening to an iPod connected to a Bluetooth speaker that fits in 
>> your hand, listening to music through a pair of Plantronics headphones etc.
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:31 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well I can say they were definitely here in the US in 1996 which is when I 
>>> auditioned several B&W speakers. They may have gone away for a while and 
>>> now coming back again. At any rate, they make a fantastic product and I 
>>> probably would have gotten all B&W speakers instead of Klipsch if I could 
>>> have afforded it. They were just a little too far out of my budget. Their 
>>> best attribute IMHO is their transparency. Very natural sound with 
>>> fantastic imaging. I'm glad to hear they are making another push into this 
>>> market over here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick alfaro
>>> 
>>> On 2/22/2014 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I 
 read a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - 
 which suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio 
 market in the U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison 
 between B&W and other well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston 
 Acoustics, Altec Lansing, Bose and so on.
 
 Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics 
 have taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
 
 
 On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
 
> Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as 
> you said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center 
> channel for my home theater system is B&W.
> 
> I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and my 
> B&W center. I specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the 
> Klipsch center. In fact, my sub was going to be B&W as well but I 
> returned it because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound 
> that was just weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" 
> active sub with a 15" passive radiator.  This was several years ago and I 
> haven't upgraded any of the speakers because the system sounds just the 
> way I like it. It's a better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in 
> my living room than in the movie theater except for the iMax ones of 
> course.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rick alfaro
> 
> On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but 
>> hearing the B & W Z2 was like hearing some Bose for the first time, 
>> upgrading from a pair of Plantronics Audio 478 headphones to a pair of 
>> Grado Labs SR60I audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to USB 
>> 3.0, in other words now you've experienced the difference you can't go 
>> back and I urge anyone to hear these B&W speakers to fully appreciate 
>> what we're talking about here, B*&w aren't the sort of thing you're 
>> going to find at your local Radio Shack or Wallmart and I can only add 
>> its a pity that other speakers readily available aren't equal to B

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Certainly small enough for that yes.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 10:48 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

> Hi!
> Are these speakers small enough to put on a table?
> I really want some mini speakers with airplay support.
> /A
> 22 feb 2014 kl. 20:19 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
>> Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I read 
>> a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - which 
>> suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio market in the 
>> U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison between B&W and other 
>> well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustics, Altec Lansing, 
>> Bose and so on.
>> 
>> Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics have 
>> taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as you 
>>> said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center channel for 
>>> my home theater system is B&W.
>>> 
>>> I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and my 
>>> B&W center. I specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the Klipsch 
>>> center. In fact, my sub was going to be B&W as well but I returned it 
>>> because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound that was just 
>>> weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" active sub with a 
>>> 15" passive radiator.  This was several years ago and I haven't upgraded 
>>> any of the speakers because the system sounds just the way I like it. It's 
>>> a better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in my living room than in 
>>> the movie theater except for the iMax ones of course.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick alfaro
>>> 
>>> On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but hearing 
 the B & W Z2 was like hearing some Bose for the first time, upgrading from 
 a pair of Plantronics Audio 478 headphones to a pair of Grado Labs SR60I 
 audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to USB 3.0, in other 
 words now you've experienced the difference you can't go back and I urge 
 anyone to hear these B&W speakers to fully appreciate what we're talking 
 about here, B*&w aren't the sort of thing you're going to find at your 
 local Radio Shack or Wallmart and I can only add its a pity that other 
 speakers readily available aren't equal to B&W, would be a near perfect 
 world if they were.
 
 Of course B&W and the only company doing this sort of stuff and their 
 entry into the North American market has been recent though they've been 
 making speakers in the U.K. for donkeys years.
 
 B&W are in the same league as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustic and so forth.
 
 
 On 22 Feb 2014, at 9:52 am, Walter Ramage  wrote:
 
> Hi.  If these speakers are anything like the B & W CM5  stand mount 
> speakers
> or the CM9 floor standing speakers then you won't be sorry.  I have always
> liked B & W speakers as they have a vary balanced sound and have a very 
> good
> bass response, they are also spacious and imiging is very accurate.  Ihave
> the CM 5s to  listen to music or radio via my PC and downstairs are the
> floor standing CM9s which are very impressive.  Good luck with your 
> purchase
> but as it is B & W, there won't be much luck needed.  Walter.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: 21 February 2014 22:45
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made
> 
> Yep folks, I've finally decided what Dock I'm going to buy, I'm after a 
> new
> one given that I no longer have any IOS devices with 30 Pin connectors
> though the only problem there is I have 3 units with 30 pin dock 
> connectors,
> I'd be absolutely raging! if those devices couldn't be put to other uses 
> and
> were only useless 30 pin docks .
> 
> My decision has come down to the Bowers & Wilkins Z2 iPhone dock/airPlay
> speaker though I warn everyone now, the price for one of these gorgeous
> things is not cheap, at around $400 but - from what I've heard - its
> certainly well worth the money spent.
> 
> The Z2 sports a 9 pin Lightning connector, has an Aux-in socket and can be
> used with airPlay.
> 
> I'll write more when the device arrives and I can test it with my Wi-Fi
> network etc.
> 
> 
> 
> **
> 
> Dane Trethowan
> Skype: grtdane12
> Phone US (213) 438-9741
> Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
> Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
> Mobile: +61400494862
> faceTime +61400494862
> Fax +61397437954
> Twitter: @grtdane

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Hi!
Young people just want to listen to music at the highest volume possible.
Atleast heere in sweden.
Note that this is my thoughts so its not a statement.
The sad thing with hifi products here is that they're to expensive for my 
budget so i can't aford most of the things i really want.
/A
22 feb 2014 kl. 20:36 skrev Dane Trethowan :

> I heard the Bowers And Wilkins yesterday morning, I listened to their 3 
> airPlay models, all of which were superb!
> 
> I listened to some floor standing and bookshelf models and again just 
> outstanding and so was the price , a little out of my budget, I'll be 
> able to afford the Z2 and I actually think it very good value for money given 
> its sound and straight forward design, compact size etc.
> 
> Incidentally, I know people in the States who say that high end audio shops 
> are just about extinct there, is that true? Things seem to be going that way 
> over here too and that's a crying shame as so many of the younger generations 
> just aren't going to know what quality sound is, quality sound is not! 
> listening to an iPod connected to a Bluetooth speaker that fits in your hand, 
> listening to music through a pair of Plantronics headphones etc.
> 
> 
> On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:31 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
>> Well I can say they were definitely here in the US in 1996 which is when I 
>> auditioned several B&W speakers. They may have gone away for a while and now 
>> coming back again. At any rate, they make a fantastic product and I probably 
>> would have gotten all B&W speakers instead of Klipsch if I could have 
>> afforded it. They were just a little too far out of my budget. Their best 
>> attribute IMHO is their transparency. Very natural sound with fantastic 
>> imaging. I'm glad to hear they are making another push into this market over 
>> here.
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Rick alfaro
>> 
>> On 2/22/2014 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I 
>>> read a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - 
>>> which suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio market 
>>> in the U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison between B&W 
>>> and other well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustics, 
>>> Altec Lansing, Bose and so on.
>>> 
>>> Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics 
>>> have taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>>> 
 Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as 
 you said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center channel 
 for my home theater system is B&W.
 
 I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and my 
 B&W center. I specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the Klipsch 
 center. In fact, my sub was going to be B&W as well but I returned it 
 because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound that was just 
 weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" active sub with a 
 15" passive radiator.  This was several years ago and I haven't upgraded 
 any of the speakers because the system sounds just the way I like it. It's 
 a better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in my living room than 
 in the movie theater except for the iMax ones of course.
 
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Rick alfaro
 
 On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but hearing 
> the B & W Z2 was like hearing some Bose for the first time, upgrading 
> from a pair of Plantronics Audio 478 headphones to a pair of Grado Labs 
> SR60I audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to USB 3.0, in 
> other words now you've experienced the difference you can't go back and I 
> urge anyone to hear these B&W speakers to fully appreciate what we're 
> talking about here, B*&w aren't the sort of thing you're going to find at 
> your local Radio Shack or Wallmart and I can only add its a pity that 
> other speakers readily available aren't equal to B&W, would be a near 
> perfect world if they were.
> 
> Of course B&W and the only company doing this sort of stuff and their 
> entry into the North American market has been recent though they've been 
> making speakers in the U.K. for donkeys years.
> 
> B&W are in the same league as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustic and so forth.
> 
> 
> On 22 Feb 2014, at 9:52 am, Walter Ramage  wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  If these speakers are anything like the B & W CM5  stand mount 
>> speakers
>> or the CM9 floor standing speakers then you won't be sorry.  I have 
>> always
>> liked B & W speakers as they have a vary balanced sound and have a very 
>> good
>> bass response, the

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Hi!
Are these speakers small enough to put on a table?
I really want some mini speakers with airplay support.
/A
22 feb 2014 kl. 20:19 skrev Dane Trethowan :

> Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I read 
> a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - which 
> suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio market in the 
> U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison between B&W and other 
> well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustics, Altec Lansing, 
> Bose and so on.
> 
> Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics have 
> taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
> 
> 
> On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
>> Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as you 
>> said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center channel for 
>> my home theater system is B&W.
>> 
>> I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and my 
>> B&W center. I specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the Klipsch 
>> center. In fact, my sub was going to be B&W as well but I returned it 
>> because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound that was just 
>> weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" active sub with a 
>> 15" passive radiator.  This was several years ago and I haven't upgraded any 
>> of the speakers because the system sounds just the way I like it. It's a 
>> better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in my living room than in 
>> the movie theater except for the iMax ones of course.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Rick alfaro
>> 
>> On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but hearing 
>>> the B & W Z2 was like hearing some Bose for the first time, upgrading from 
>>> a pair of Plantronics Audio 478 headphones to a pair of Grado Labs SR60I 
>>> audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to USB 3.0, in other words 
>>> now you've experienced the difference you can't go back and I urge anyone 
>>> to hear these B&W speakers to fully appreciate what we're talking about 
>>> here, B*&w aren't the sort of thing you're going to find at your local 
>>> Radio Shack or Wallmart and I can only add its a pity that other speakers 
>>> readily available aren't equal to B&W, would be a near perfect world if 
>>> they were.
>>> 
>>> Of course B&W and the only company doing this sort of stuff and their entry 
>>> into the North American market has been recent though they've been making 
>>> speakers in the U.K. for donkeys years.
>>> 
>>> B&W are in the same league as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustic and so forth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22 Feb 2014, at 9:52 am, Walter Ramage  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.  If these speakers are anything like the B & W CM5  stand mount 
 speakers
 or the CM9 floor standing speakers then you won't be sorry.  I have always
 liked B & W speakers as they have a vary balanced sound and have a very 
 good
 bass response, they are also spacious and imiging is very accurate.  Ihave
 the CM 5s to  listen to music or radio via my PC and downstairs are the
 floor standing CM9s which are very impressive.  Good luck with your 
 purchase
 but as it is B & W, there won't be much luck needed.  Walter.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: 21 February 2014 22:45
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made
 
 Yep folks, I've finally decided what Dock I'm going to buy, I'm after a new
 one given that I no longer have any IOS devices with 30 Pin connectors
 though the only problem there is I have 3 units with 30 pin dock 
 connectors,
 I'd be absolutely raging! if those devices couldn't be put to other uses 
 and
 were only useless 30 pin docks .
 
 My decision has come down to the Bowers & Wilkins Z2 iPhone dock/airPlay
 speaker though I warn everyone now, the price for one of these gorgeous
 things is not cheap, at around $400 but - from what I've heard - its
 certainly well worth the money spent.
 
 The Z2 sports a 9 pin Lightning connector, has an Aux-in socket and can be
 used with airPlay.
 
 I'll write more when the device arrives and I can test it with my Wi-Fi
 network etc.
 
 
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 
>>> D

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Far as I know, its only to setup the unit and there are altnative ways to have 
the B&W work and join your Wi-Fi network.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 8:13 am, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Is the b&w app for the z2 accessible? 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**

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Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
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Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Is the b&w app for the z2 accessible? 

Mary

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Wish I'd know about these yesterday when I was out but will keep a lookout for 
them next time, here's a review.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:48 am, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Speaking of B&W, if you can afford it, have a look at the MM1 for your
> desktop listening. Wonderful speakers! 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Yep, those days are gone.

Yesterday I was able to walk in, say what I wanted and sit down in the 
listening room, sipping a coffe whilst the salesman ran around bringing out all 
the B&W stuff I wanted to hear, setting it up, allowing me to connect the 
iPhone where appropriate etc.

Next door to where I was in the listening room was a full home theatre where 
all the AV stuff was being demonstrated, you could sit and watch a movie of 
your choice on whatever equipment took your fancy.


On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:47 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:

> Yes, that's absolutely right on. Quality stereo shops are a dieing breed for 
> sure. The one I used to deal with all the time, a chain called Sound Advice, 
> is out of business. I'm not really sure whose even left any longer as I 
> haven't really had the need for quite some time but I know when I purchased 
> my last receiver, the Denon AVR3311CI, I had to get it at Best Buy. At least 
> they have their Magnolia section but still nothing like the stores I was used 
> to where you could walk in and here any quality speaker combination you 
> wanted. They just had it all setup and ready to go. They even had an audition 
> policy where you could take the product home and listen to it in your own 
> environment and exchange it for something else if you weren't satisfied. You 
> could also trade up your speakers every year if you wanted and get the full 
> price you paid for them toward the upgraded set. It was amazing and very 
> sorely missed. Those days are gone I think.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rick alfaro
> 
> On 2/22/2014 2:36 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> I heard the Bowers And Wilkins yesterday morning, I listened to their 3 
>> airPlay models, all of which were superb!
>> 
>> I listened to some floor standing and bookshelf models and again just 
>> outstanding and so was the price , a little out of my budget, I'll be 
>> able to afford the Z2 and I actually think it very good value for money 
>> given its sound and straight forward design, compact size etc.
>> 
>> Incidentally, I know people in the States who say that high end audio shops 
>> are just about extinct there, is that true? Things seem to be going that way 
>> over here too and that's a crying shame as so many of the younger 
>> generations just aren't going to know what quality sound is, quality sound 
>> is not! listening to an iPod connected to a Bluetooth speaker that fits in 
>> your hand, listening to music through a pair of Plantronics headphones etc.
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:31 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well I can say they were definitely here in the US in 1996 which is when I 
>>> auditioned several B&W speakers. They may have gone away for a while and 
>>> now coming back again. At any rate, they make a fantastic product and I 
>>> probably would have gotten all B&W speakers instead of Klipsch if I could 
>>> have afforded it. They were just a little too far out of my budget. Their 
>>> best attribute IMHO is their transparency. Very natural sound with 
>>> fantastic imaging. I'm glad to hear they are making another push into this 
>>> market over here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick alfaro
>>> 
>>> On 2/22/2014 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I 
 read a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - 
 which suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio 
 market in the U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison 
 between B&W and other well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston 
 Acoustics, Altec Lansing, Bose and so on.
 
 Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics 
 have taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
 
 
 On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
 
> Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as 
> you said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center 
> channel for my home theater system is B&W.
> 
> I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and my 
> B&W center. I specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the 
> Klipsch center. In fact, my sub was going to be B&W as well but I 
> returned it because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound 
> that was just weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" 
> active sub with a 15" passive radiator.  This was several years ago and I 
> haven't upgraded any of the speakers because the system sounds just the 
> way I like it. It's a better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in 
> my living room than in the movie theater except for the iMax ones of 
> course.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rick alfaro
> 
> On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific c

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

You're absolutely right, if I can afford it , thankfully these products 
aren't likely to disappear in a hurry so I can get one now and save for another 
later.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:48 am, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Speaking of B&W, if you can afford it, have a look at the MM1 for your
> desktop listening. Wonderful speakers! 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

I listened to the 3 models the store had, the Z2, the A7 and the A9, the z@ is 
the little feller of the 3, the 17 and a9 are stand alone airplay Units, the A9 
is meant to fill a full-size room and it certainly does, the A7 will fill a 
smaller size room such as a bedroom, study etc, again very good sound and the 
Z2 is the compact airPlay dock which has classic sound for its size.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:51 am, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Dane did you listen to the new B&W Air, which is the bigger brother to
> the z2? I have not heard the z2 nor the Air, and I have a tough time
> justifying that purchase, since I can easily play my 8-ievices through
> the liting-room set up or outdoors when the weather permits through a
> nice pair of B&W outdoor speakers. But I am curious about the
> difference in sound between the Air and the z2.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Don't worry, we're all guilty of that , I bought the Grado SR60I's from 
my local audio store and actually they were cheaper than Amazon were for that 
product.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:53 am, Mary Otten  wrote:

> I guess we are lucky, because we still have 3 high end audio stores
> here in town, and Eugene, Oregon isn't that large of a town. I'm not
> doing my part to keep them in business, though, because my last audio
> purchase was the MM1 from Amazon.
> 
> mary
> 
> 

**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

I guess we are lucky, because we still have 3 high end audio stores
here in town, and Eugene, Oregon isn't that large of a town. I'm not
doing my part to keep them in business, though, because my last audio
purchase was the MM1 from Amazon.

mary

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Dane did you listen to the new B&W Air, which is the bigger brother to
the z2? I have not heard the z2 nor the Air, and I have a tough time
justifying that purchase, since I can easily play my 8-ievices through
the liting-room set up or outdoors when the weather permits through a
nice pair of B&W outdoor speakers. But I am curious about the
difference in sound between the Air and the z2.

Mary

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Speaking of B&W, if you can afford it, have a look at the MM1 for your
desktop listening. Wonderful speakers! 

Mary

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

2014-02-22 Thread Rick Alfaro

Yes, that's absolutely right on. Quality stereo shops are a dieing breed
for sure. The one I used to deal with all the time, a chain called Sound
Advice, is out of business. I'm not really sure whose even left any
longer as I haven't really had the need for quite some time but I know
when I purchased my last receiver, the Denon AVR3311CI, I had to get it
at Best Buy. At least they have their Magnolia section but still nothing
like the stores I was used to where you could walk in and here any
quality speaker combination you wanted. They just had it all setup and
ready to go. They even had an audition policy where you could take the
product home and listen to it in your own environment and exchange it
for something else if you weren't satisfied. You could also trade up
your speakers every year if you wanted and get the full price you paid
for them toward the upgraded set. It was amazing and very sorely missed.
Those days are gone I think.

Best Regards,

Rick alfaro

On 2/22/2014 2:36 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I heard the Bowers And Wilkins yesterday morning, I listened to their 3 airPlay
models, all of which were superb!

I listened to some floor standing and bookshelf models and again just outstanding and
so was the price , a little out of my budget, I'll be able to afford the
Z2 and I actually think it very good value for money given its sound and straight
forward design, compact size etc.

Incidentally, I know people in the States who say that high end audio shops are
just about extinct there, is that true? Things seem to be going that way over
here too and that's a crying shame as so many of the younger generations just
aren't going to know what quality sound is, quality sound is not! listening to
an iPod connected to a Bluetooth speaker that fits in your hand, listening to
music through a pair of Plantronics headphones etc.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:31 am, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Well I can say they were definitely here in the US in 1996 which is when I auditioned
several B&W speakers. They may have gone away for a while and now coming back
again. At any rate, they make a fantastic product and I probably would have gotten all
B&W speakers instead of Klipsch if I could have afforded it. They were just a
little too far out of my budget. Their best attribute IMHO is their transparency. Very
natural sound with fantastic imaging. I'm glad to hear they are making another push
into this market over here.

Best Regards,

Rick alfaro

On 2/22/2014 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I read a
review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - which suggested that
Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio market in the U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer
was making a comparison between B&W and other well established names such as Polk Audio,
Boston Acoustics, Altec Lansing, Bose and so on.

Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics have
taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.

On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as you said,
only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center channel for my home theater
system is B&W.

I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne and my B&W center. I
specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the Klipsch center. In fact, my sub was going to
be B&W as well but I returned it because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound that
was just weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" active sub with a 15"
passive radiator. This was several years ago and I haven't upgraded any of the speakers because the
system sounds just the way I like it. It's a better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in my
living room than in the movie theater except for the iMax ones of course.

Best Regards,

Rick alfaro

On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but hearing the B & W Z2 was
like hearing some Bose for the first time, upgrading from a pair of Plantronics Audio 478
headphones to a pair of Grado Labs SR60I audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to
USB 3.0, in other words now you've experienced the difference you can't go back and I urge
anyone to hear these B&W speakers to fully appreciate what we're talking about here,
B*&w aren't the sort of thing you're going to find at your local Radio Shack or Wallmart
and I can only add its a pity that other speakers readily available aren't equal to B&W,
would be a near perfect world if they were.

Of course B&W and the only company doing this sort of stuff and their entry
into the North American market has been recent though they've been making speakers
in the U.K. for donkeys years.

B&W are in the same league as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustic and so forth.

On 22 Fe

Re: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

I heard the Bowers And Wilkins yesterday morning, I listened to their 3 airPlay 
models, all of which were superb!

I listened to some floor standing and bookshelf models and again just 
outstanding and so was the price , a little out of my budget, I'll be 
able to afford the Z2 and I actually think it very good value for money given 
its sound and straight forward design, compact size etc.

Incidentally, I know people in the States who say that high end audio shops are 
just about extinct there, is that true? Things seem to be going that way over 
here too and that's a crying shame as so many of the younger generations just 
aren't going to know what quality sound is, quality sound is not! listening to 
an iPod connected to a Bluetooth speaker that fits in your hand, listening to 
music through a pair of Plantronics headphones etc.


On 23 Feb 2014, at 6:31 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:

> Well I can say they were definitely here in the US in 1996 which is when I 
> auditioned several B&W speakers. They may have gone away for a while and now 
> coming back again. At any rate, they make a fantastic product and I probably 
> would have gotten all B&W speakers instead of Klipsch if I could have 
> afforded it. They were just a little too far out of my budget. Their best 
> attribute IMHO is their transparency. Very natural sound with fantastic 
> imaging. I'm glad to hear they are making another push into this market over 
> here.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rick alfaro
> 
> On 2/22/2014 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I read 
>> a review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - which 
>> suggested that Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio market in the 
>> U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer was making a comparison between B&W and other 
>> well established names such as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustics, Altec Lansing, 
>> Bose and so on.
>> 
>> Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics have 
>> taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as you 
>>> said, only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center channel for 
>>> my home theater system is B&W.
>>> 
>>> I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and my 
>>> B&W center. I specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the Klipsch 
>>> center. In fact, my sub was going to be B&W as well but I returned it 
>>> because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound that was just 
>>> weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" active sub with a 
>>> 15" passive radiator.  This was several years ago and I haven't upgraded 
>>> any of the speakers because the system sounds just the way I like it. It's 
>>> a better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in my living room than in 
>>> the movie theater except for the iMax ones of course.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick alfaro
>>> 
>>> On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but hearing 
 the B & W Z2 was like hearing some Bose for the first time, upgrading from 
 a pair of Plantronics Audio 478 headphones to a pair of Grado Labs SR60I 
 audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to USB 3.0, in other 
 words now you've experienced the difference you can't go back and I urge 
 anyone to hear these B&W speakers to fully appreciate what we're talking 
 about here, B*&w aren't the sort of thing you're going to find at your 
 local Radio Shack or Wallmart and I can only add its a pity that other 
 speakers readily available aren't equal to B&W, would be a near perfect 
 world if they were.
 
 Of course B&W and the only company doing this sort of stuff and their 
 entry into the North American market has been recent though they've been 
 making speakers in the U.K. for donkeys years.
 
 B&W are in the same league as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustic and so forth.
 
 
 On 22 Feb 2014, at 9:52 am, Walter Ramage  wrote:
 
> Hi.  If these speakers are anything like the B & W CM5  stand mount 
> speakers
> or the CM9 floor standing speakers then you won't be sorry.  I have always
> liked B & W speakers as they have a vary balanced sound and have a very 
> good
> bass response, they are also spacious and imiging is very accurate.  Ihave
> the CM 5s to  listen to music or radio via my PC and downstairs are the
> floor standing CM9s which are very impressive.  Good luck with your 
> purchase
> but as it is B & W, there won't be much luck needed.  Walter.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: 21 February 2014 22

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2014-02-22 Thread Rick Alfaro

Well I can say they were definitely here in the US in 1996 which is when 
I auditioned several B&W speakers. They may have gone away for a while 
and now coming back again. At any rate, they make a fantastic product 
and I probably would have gotten all B&W speakers instead of Klipsch if 
I could have afforded it. They were just a little too far out of my 
budget. Their best attribute IMHO is their transparency. Very natural 
sound with fantastic imaging. I'm glad to hear they are making another 
push into this market over here.



Best Regards,

Rick alfaro

On 2/22/2014 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Right, well I don't know what the definition of "Quite Some time" is, I read a 
review on the speakers - I'll link to it on list in another eMail - which suggested that 
Bowers And Wilkins were new comers to the audio market in the U.S.A., I suppose the reviewer 
was making a comparison between B&W and other well established names such as Polk Audio, 
Boston Acoustics, Altec Lansing, Bose and so on.

Incidentally did anyone read that Altec Lansing is no more? Plantronics have 
taken them over so I wonder what that will all mean.


On 23 Feb 2014, at 5:50 am, Rick Alfaro  wrote:


Actually, B&W has been here in the NA market for quite some time but as you said, 
only found in top notch high end stereo shops. My center channel for my home theater 
system is B&W.

I have all Klipsch speakers except for my sub which is a Velodyne  and my B&W center. I 
specifically chose the B&W because I didn't like the Klipsch center. In fact, my sub was going to 
be B&W as well but I returned it because it kept bottoming out and making a flapping sound that 
was just weird so I exchanged it for the Velodyne which is a 12" active sub with a 15" 
passive radiator.  This was several years ago and I haven't upgraded any of the speakers because the 
system sounds just the way I like it. It's a better experience watching a BlueRay movie here in my 
living room than in the movie theater except for the iMax ones of course.



Best Regards,

Rick alfaro

On 2/22/2014 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I've not heard those speakers so can't make specific comments but hearing the B & W Z2 was 
like hearing some Bose for the first time, upgrading from a pair of Plantronics Audio 478 
headphones to a pair of Grado Labs SR60I audiophile headphones or say moving from USB 2.0 to 
USB 3.0, in other words now you've experienced the difference you can't go back and I urge 
anyone to hear these B&W speakers to fully appreciate what we're talking about here, 
B*&w aren't the sort of thing you're going to find at your local Radio Shack or Wallmart 
and I can only add its a pity that other speakers readily available aren't equal to B&W, 
would be a near perfect world if they were.

Of course B&W and the only company doing this sort of stuff and their entry 
into the North American market has been recent though they've been making speakers 
in the U.K. for donkeys years.

B&W are in the same league as Polk Audio, Boston Acoustic and so forth.


On 22 Feb 2014, at 9:52 am, Walter Ramage  wrote:


Hi.  If these speakers are anything like the B & W CM5  stand mount speakers
or the CM9 floor standing speakers then you won't be sorry.  I have always
liked B & W speakers as they have a vary balanced sound and have a very good
bass response, they are also spacious and imiging is very accurate.  Ihave
the CM 5s to  listen to music or radio via my PC and downstairs are the
floor standing CM9s which are very impressive.  Good luck with your purchase
but as it is B & W, there won't be much luck needed.  Walter.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 21 February 2014 22:45
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: iPhone Dock: The Choice Has Been Made

Yep folks, I've finally decided what Dock I'm going to buy, I'm after a new
one given that I no longer have any IOS devices with 30 Pin connectors
though the only problem there is I have 3 units with 30 pin dock connectors,
I'd be absolutely raging! if those devices couldn't be put to other uses and
were only useless 30 pin docks .

My decision has come down to the Bowers & Wilkins Z2 iPhone dock/airPlay
speaker though I warn everyone now, the price for one of these gorgeous
things is not cheap, at around $400 but - from what I've heard - its
certainly well worth the money spent.

The Z2 sports a 9 pin Lightning connector, has an Aux-in socket and can be
used with airPlay.

I'll write more when the device arrives and I can test it with my Wi-Fi
network etc.



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