RE: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8]
The JAWS list I subscribe to generates about twice as many messages as this list does. Do you want to plow through three times as many messages as we now get on this list? Screenreaders are essential to blind people, but do you really want to stretch the subject matter of this list to everything that involves our ears? Shall we have a long thread on why beeping traffic signals are a good or bad idea? Shall we debate the merits of different kinds of music? Fortunately, for the screenreader questions you and I both need answers to, there are JAWS, WindowEyes and other screenreader lists. The way Tom has focused this list, it ensures we get the sophisticated advice on computer audio matters that you and many others have contributed over the years. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] Hello, I am gonna way in on this subject for what it's worth. When you shut down blind people in this manner, you are in a way insulting them. Just as what was said in an earlier post, sighted people assess information on their computers by what they see. Us blind people, don't have a choice but to assess information by reading brail or by listening to it. In the latter case, our ears are our eyes. If you take away a blind person's ability to hear, you take away his/her ability to see. That's what screen readers do for us. This is my opinion for what it's worth, but in order for this list to be a true PC AUDIO list, you need to broaden your view of things because your views are a little too narrow. John. - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] This is good advice; Tom would make his life easier by identifying himself as the moderator when making these decisions. Because he hasn't checked in since this post, I'll confirm that he is the moderator. There isn't a better one out there. For what it's worth, I agree that a question about how JAWS works with IE8 isn't right for this list. The answer, as implied by another lister and that would be given more appropriately on a JAWS list, is that this particular error message in IE8 indicates that the user needs to upgrade JAWS. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:00 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] Are you the moderator of the list Tom, and if so, were you speaking as the moderator? If that's the case, then I'd suggest you identify yourself as such when making such a statement. Otherwise, you might just be taken as a moderator want to be and either ignored or criticized. That's just my advice. BTW, I agree that the post in question was off topic, and I don't have any problem with you pointing that out. As you know though, PC audio is a pretty pervasive topic, so I think a lot of leniency is called for on such a list, and in general, I think it's been a pretty lenient list. I don't have a lot of patience though for people who think absolutely everything is fair game for this list just because I use a screen reader which happens to use my sound card. Ditto for people who won't submit to moderation. -- Christopher chalt...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:42 PM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: internet 8 The subject is related to Internet Explorer and a screen reader. Internet Explorer is an Internet browser and not a piece of audio software. Tom ** Message From: Johnny Angel! ** Dear Tom, I respectfully disagree with you. If Sam is hearing something and talks about what he is hearing, is it then not related to something audio? To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8]
I totally agree. Just because we use a screen reader and a speech synthesizer doesn't make absolutely everything we do on a PC fair game for this list. I for one wouldn't want to see discussions on how to use Facebook, MS Office or even Windows itself on this list. There are other mailing lists for those topics, and if I wanted to follow discussions on those topics, I'd join those lists. Either way, whatever we think is moot, since tom is the moderator of the list and on the PC-Audio.org site, he says the following is the purpose of this list: PC-audio is a list for the discussion of any PC audio related topic such as PC audio software like sound editors, audio players and audio formats; and hardware like sound cards, CD and DVD devices and so on. While the subject matter is wide ranging, this is not a forum for the discussion of non-pc-audio matters. There are many other lists for political or other discussions. This is what I agreed to and expected when I joined this list. As with any list, I also agreed to be moderated by the moderator of this list. I also don't think Tom was out of line in anything he said or did when he pointed out the original question was off topic for this list. He wasn't insulting or condescending. As a blind person, I don't feel insulted by anything Tom said. I think as responsible blind people we should follow list rules, obey list moderators and act respectfully to tom and others on this list. I don't think this is any different than what should be expected of any list member, blind or sighted. -- Christopher chalt...@gmail.com On 6/21/2010 5:26 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote: The JAWS list I subscribe to generates about twice as many messages as this list does. Do you want to plow through three times as many messages as we now get on this list? Screenreaders are essential to blind people, but do you really want to stretch the subject matter of this list to everything that involves our ears? Shall we have a long thread on why beeping traffic signals are a good or bad idea? Shall we debate the merits of different kinds of music? Fortunately, for the screenreader questions you and I both need answers to, there are JAWS, WindowEyes and other screenreader lists. The way Tom has focused this list, it ensures we get the sophisticated advice on computer audio matters that you and many others have contributed over the years. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] Hello, I am gonna way in on this subject for what it's worth. When you shut down blind people in this manner, you are in a way insulting them. Just as what was said in an earlier post, sighted people assess information on their computers by what they see. Us blind people, don't have a choice but to assess information by reading brail or by listening to it. In the latter case, our ears are our eyes. If you take away a blind person's ability to hear, you take away his/her ability to see. That's what screen readers do for us. This is my opinion for what it's worth, but in order for this list to be a true PC AUDIO list, you need to broaden your view of things because your views are a little too narrow. John. - Original Message - From: Adrian Sprattadr...@adrianspratt.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] This is good advice; Tom would make his life easier by identifying himself as the moderator when making these decisions. Because he hasn't checked in since this post, I'll confirm that he is the moderator. There isn't a better one out there. For what it's worth, I agree that a question about how JAWS works with IE8 isn't right for this list. The answer, as implied by another lister and that would be given more appropriately on a JAWS list, is that this particular error message in IE8 indicates that the user needs to upgrade JAWS. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:00 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] Are you the moderator of the list Tom, and if so, were you speaking as the moderator? If that's the case, then I'd suggest you identify yourself as such when making such a statement. Otherwise, you might just be taken as a moderator want to be and either ignored or criticized. That's just my advice. BTW, I agree that the post in question was off topic, and I don't have any problem with you pointing that out. As you know though, PC audio is a pretty pervasive topic, so I think a lot of leniency is called for on such a list, and in general, I think it's been a pretty lenient list. I don't have a lot of patience though
internet 8
Greetings all! Can someone tell me how to stop the annoying message in internet explorer 8 that says - open parent document button. This happens after I have typed in the address I want to go to. Maybe there is something I need to turn off in settings? any help on this would be greatly appreciated, please. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: internet 8
What screen reader and version are you using? Signed by Chris Hallsworth E-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 On 20/06/2010 21:22, sam jackson wrote: Greetings all! Can someone tell me how to stop the annoying message in internet explorer 8 that says - open parent document button. This happens after I have typed in the address I want to go to. Maybe there is something I need to turn off in settings? any help on this would be greatly appreciated, please. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: internet 8
This message is not audio related so is off topic for this list. Please keep messages audio related. Thanks, Tom ** Message From: sam jackson ** Greetings all! Can someone tell me how to stop the annoying message in internet explorer 8 that says - open parent document button. This happens after I have typed in the address I want to go to. Maybe there is something I need to turn off in settings? any help on this would be greatly appreciated, please. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: internet 8
Dear Tom, I respectfully disagree with you. If Sam is hearing something and talks about what he is hearing, is it then not related to something audio? At 05:33 PM 6/20/2010, you wrote: This message is not audio related so is off topic for this list. Please keep messages audio related. Thanks, Tom ** Message From: sam jackson ** Greetings all! Can someone tell me how to stop the annoying message in internet explorer 8 that says - open parent document button. This happens after I have typed in the address I want to go to. Maybe there is something I need to turn off in settings? any help on this would be greatly appreciated, please. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5212 (20100620) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: internet 8
sorry I broke the law - Original Message - From: Tom t...@pc-audio.org To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 4:33 PM Subject: Re: internet 8 This message is not audio related so is off topic for this list. Please keep messages audio related. Thanks, Tom ** Message From: sam jackson ** Greetings all! Can someone tell me how to stop the annoying message in internet explorer 8 that says - open parent document button. This happens after I have typed in the address I want to go to. Maybe there is something I need to turn off in settings? any help on this would be greatly appreciated, please. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: internet 8
The subject is related to Internet Explorer and a screen reader. Internet Explorer is an Internet browser and not a piece of audio software. Tom ** Message From: Johnny Angel! ** Dear Tom, I respectfully disagree with you. If Sam is hearing something and talks about what he is hearing, is it then not related to something audio? To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: internet 8
shove your list up your asss - Original Message - From: Tom t...@pc-audio.org To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 4:33 PM Subject: Re: internet 8 This message is not audio related so is off topic for this list. Please keep messages audio related. Thanks, Tom ** Message From: sam jackson ** Greetings all! Can someone tell me how to stop the annoying message in internet explorer 8 that says - open parent document button. This happens after I have typed in the address I want to go to. Maybe there is something I need to turn off in settings? any help on this would be greatly appreciated, please. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8]
Are you the moderator of the list Tom, and if so, were you speaking as the moderator? If that's the case, then I'd suggest you identify yourself as such when making such a statement. Otherwise, you might just be taken as a moderator want to be and either ignored or criticized. That's just my advice. BTW, I agree that the post in question was off topic, and I don't have any problem with you pointing that out. As you know though, PC audio is a pretty pervasive topic, so I think a lot of leniency is called for on such a list, and in general, I think it's been a pretty lenient list. I don't have a lot of patience though for people who think absolutely everything is fair game for this list just because I use a screen reader which happens to use my sound card. Ditto for people who won't submit to moderation. -- Christopher chalt...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:42 PM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: internet 8 The subject is related to Internet Explorer and a screen reader. Internet Explorer is an Internet browser and not a piece of audio software. Tom ** Message From: Johnny Angel! ** Dear Tom, I respectfully disagree with you. If Sam is hearing something and talks about what he is hearing, is it then not related to something audio? To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8]
Ok, tom, and others the usage of a screen reader, which gives out audio output to let a blind person hear what is being read is most certainly audio related, how do you expect a person to use the audio products/ other things that work with audio products such as winamp and the web with out using a product that has audio output? not trying to start a fight or argument session here but am trying to enlighten everyone on the possibility that screen readers use audio to comunicate the information on screen to blind people. Sighted people use their eyes to astablish the usage of products and services which blind people use a screen reader to enjoy their internet experiences/ other hobbies they partake in. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:59 PM Subject: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] Are you the moderator of the list Tom, and if so, were you speaking as the moderator? If that's the case, then I'd suggest you identify yourself as such when making such a statement. Otherwise, you might just be taken as a moderator want to be and either ignored or criticized. That's just my advice. BTW, I agree that the post in question was off topic, and I don't have any problem with you pointing that out. As you know though, PC audio is a pretty pervasive topic, so I think a lot of leniency is called for on such a list, and in general, I think it's been a pretty lenient list. I don't have a lot of patience though for people who think absolutely everything is fair game for this list just because I use a screen reader which happens to use my sound card. Ditto for people who won't submit to moderation. -- Christopher chalt...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:42 PM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: internet 8 The subject is related to Internet Explorer and a screen reader. Internet Explorer is an Internet browser and not a piece of audio software. Tom ** Message From: Johnny Angel! ** Dear Tom, I respectfully disagree with you. If Sam is hearing something and talks about what he is hearing, is it then not related to something audio? To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8]
This is good advice; Tom would make his life easier by identifying himself as the moderator when making these decisions. Because he hasn't checked in since this post, I'll confirm that he is the moderator. There isn't a better one out there. For what it's worth, I agree that a question about how JAWS works with IE8 isn't right for this list. The answer, as implied by another lister and that would be given more appropriately on a JAWS list, is that this particular error message in IE8 indicates that the user needs to upgrade JAWS. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:00 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] Are you the moderator of the list Tom, and if so, were you speaking as the moderator? If that's the case, then I'd suggest you identify yourself as such when making such a statement. Otherwise, you might just be taken as a moderator want to be and either ignored or criticized. That's just my advice. BTW, I agree that the post in question was off topic, and I don't have any problem with you pointing that out. As you know though, PC audio is a pretty pervasive topic, so I think a lot of leniency is called for on such a list, and in general, I think it's been a pretty lenient list. I don't have a lot of patience though for people who think absolutely everything is fair game for this list just because I use a screen reader which happens to use my sound card. Ditto for people who won't submit to moderation. -- Christopher chalt...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:42 PM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: internet 8 The subject is related to Internet Explorer and a screen reader. Internet Explorer is an Internet browser and not a piece of audio software. Tom ** Message From: Johnny Angel! ** Dear Tom, I respectfully disagree with you. If Sam is hearing something and talks about what he is hearing, is it then not related to something audio? To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8]
Hello, I am gonna way in on this subject for what it's worth. When you shut down blind people in this manner, you are in a way insulting them. Just as what was said in an earlier post, sighted people assess information on their computers by what they see. Us blind people, don't have a choice but to assess information by reading brail or by listening to it. In the latter case, our ears are our eyes. If you take away a blind person's ability to hear, you take away his/her ability to see. That's what screen readers do for us. This is my opinion for what it's worth, but in order for this list to be a true PC AUDIO list, you need to broaden your view of things because your views are a little too narrow. John. - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] This is good advice; Tom would make his life easier by identifying himself as the moderator when making these decisions. Because he hasn't checked in since this post, I'll confirm that he is the moderator. There isn't a better one out there. For what it's worth, I agree that a question about how JAWS works with IE8 isn't right for this list. The answer, as implied by another lister and that would be given more appropriately on a JAWS list, is that this particular error message in IE8 indicates that the user needs to upgrade JAWS. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:00 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: Off topic posts [was RE: internet 8] Are you the moderator of the list Tom, and if so, were you speaking as the moderator? If that's the case, then I'd suggest you identify yourself as such when making such a statement. Otherwise, you might just be taken as a moderator want to be and either ignored or criticized. That's just my advice. BTW, I agree that the post in question was off topic, and I don't have any problem with you pointing that out. As you know though, PC audio is a pretty pervasive topic, so I think a lot of leniency is called for on such a list, and in general, I think it's been a pretty lenient list. I don't have a lot of patience though for people who think absolutely everything is fair game for this list just because I use a screen reader which happens to use my sound card. Ditto for people who won't submit to moderation. -- Christopher chalt...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:42 PM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: internet 8 The subject is related to Internet Explorer and a screen reader. Internet Explorer is an Internet browser and not a piece of audio software. Tom ** Message From: Johnny Angel! ** Dear Tom, I respectfully disagree with you. If Sam is hearing something and talks about what he is hearing, is it then not related to something audio? To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
