Re: [PD] PD vista compatability

2007-03-05 Thread Geert Bleyen
That isn't really an answer to my question. I'm actually quite happy with  
vista64 and would hate to make a dual boot just for PD. PD is the first  
problem i've encountered with it.
So please, can you keep your answer sensible and meaningfull in the  
future, thanks.

Geert

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> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:52:46 +
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> To: pd-list@iem.at
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> It's a trap! Get out of there Geert!
>
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:58:01 +0100
> "Geert Bleyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else had any experience with using PD on Vista64? I've tried  
>> it
>> running on a vista 64bit machine and must say that it doesnt really work
>> very well. The sound is totally screwed, a simple sinus synthesizer  
>> gives
>> me weird sound anomalies (pulsating sounds). Using the same files in XP
>> gives me no problems whatsoever. I presume that is caused by
>> incompatibilities with either (or both) the 64bit of the vista OS. So  
>> are
>> there any plans to release a vista64 release of PD?
>>
>> My machine is a Intel core2Duo T5500, 2Gb memory, ATI X1400 mobile and a
>> 'Realtek High Definition Audio' soundcard.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>Geert
>>
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Re: [PD] PeRcolate?

2007-03-05 Thread Kevin McCoy
> But maybe someone still has the code on his computer ? Then we could put
> it into cvs ...

I think (if my memory's not confused) that's actually the crux of it,
something about the licensing doesn't permit it to be in CVS?

http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-11/032777.html

Someone who has dealt with this firsthand should enlighten us - Hans,
perhaps you can recommend where to go?  The source is indeed available
in RPM form but I can't get it to unpack on OS X where I want to use
it.  If we are lucky, maybe the source only needs trivial
modifications to be compatible with 0.39 or later (on which
platforms?).  This is more plausible (for someone who can code) than
what Olaf suggested to me which was to take the existing Max source
and essentially start over.

The max/msp software lloopp makes excellent use of some of the
percolate objects.  I would love to use them in my own pd patches.  I
don't know of how much assistance I can be here because I don't know
how to program in C - though it's times like this that make me want to
start.

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Re: [PD] PeRcolate?

2007-03-05 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo!

> I exchanged emails with Olaf Matthes and he said that he is no longer
> doing Pd-related projects, but that someone could take the Max source
> and port it to Pd again.

Yes, I also talked with Olaf last year and he said, that he doesn't 
program for pd anymore and removed all his websides ...

But maybe someone still has the code on his computer ? Then we could put 
it into cvs ...

LG
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Re: [PD] a little pitchshifter

2007-03-05 Thread padawan12

Helpfile B.14.sampler.rockafella may be a good place to start.

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:15:26 -0600
"Mike McGonagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't want to change the subject (and if needed, we can start a new
> thread), but as this might be a related topic, here it is...
> 
> What would it take to turn this into a "Slowdown" abstraction?
> Basically, I am interested in slowing down the tempo of a sound, but
> NOT changing the pitch...
> 
> Am I off-base on this? Or can this be used as the starting point for
> what I described?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 3/5/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hallo,
> > Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> >
> > > Could aliasing be avoided by using a multi-pole low pass filter at
> > > nyquist before sending the signal to the dac?
> >
> > No: Alias frequencies aren't too high, they are wrong frequencies,
> > that have been mirrored at the Nyquist border. As soon as you try to
> > play a sinewave at Nyquist + x, what you get is a sine at Nyquist - x,
> > and you cannot lowpass out this frequency after it has been
> > introduced.
> >
> > You can however upsample your signal first, then use a lowpass filter,
> > then downsample again. See this chapter in The Book for more info:
> > http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node194.html
> > and J07.oversampling.pd
> >
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Re: [PD] PD vista compatability

2007-03-05 Thread padawan12

It's a trap! Get out of there Geert!

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:58:01 +0100
"Geert Bleyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone else had any experience with using PD on Vista64? I've tried it  
> running on a vista 64bit machine and must say that it doesnt really work  
> very well. The sound is totally screwed, a simple sinus synthesizer gives  
> me weird sound anomalies (pulsating sounds). Using the same files in XP  
> gives me no problems whatsoever. I presume that is caused by  
> incompatibilities with either (or both) the 64bit of the vista OS. So are  
> there any plans to release a vista64 release of PD?
> 
> My machine is a Intel core2Duo T5500, 2Gb memory, ATI X1400 mobile and a  
> 'Realtek High Definition Audio' soundcard.
> 
> Kind regards,
>Geert
> 
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Re: [PD] PD Workshop files

2007-03-05 Thread padawan12

Seems like it worked and you already have the files.
Have a look in your current working directory.
Please could you post the exact command line given
and we can see any possible errors.

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 02:14:03 -
"jared" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Sorry to keep dragging this out but I can't seem to find a solution.
> 
> Thanks Frank.  I tried what you mentioned.  It didn't work either.  Here
> is the message I keep getting:
> 
> "HTTP request sent, awaiting response 200 OK  
> Length: 27 [text/plain]
> Server file no newer than local file
> 'pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/robots.txt'
> --not retrieving
> 
> FINISHED --02:01:14--
> Downloaded: 5, 783 bytes in 1 files"
> 
> Any ideas?  Thanks for the help.  Much appreciated.
> 
> jared
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Frank Barknecht
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:51 AM
> To: pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
> 
> Hallo,
> jared hat gesagt: // jared wrote:
> 
> > and i forgot 2 links:
> > http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/faq.html
> > and the all-wise trash heap:
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=wget+directory
> > 
> > I've checked the faq.  No luck.
> 
> Usually "wget --mirror -no-parent URL" does a pretty good job of
> creating a mirror (==getting everything) below a certain URL-path.
> 
> Ciao
> -- 
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Re: [PD] loading big sound files

2007-03-05 Thread padawan12

Yes, the problem is because the files are too big for a 32 bit
version of Pd. Try using a disk based file player like [readsf~]

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:05:55 +
"gilberto bernardes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> I'm having a problem in a patch and I would thank all the help. I just want 
> to play 4 audio files, but the problem is that I'm getting a lot of 
> clicks,each of the files are more or less 15 min, maybe this can be the 
> problem. I already tryed to read the files from an array but the soundfiler 
> object doesn't accept so bif files also.
> 
> Anyway I put them playing and I get a latency of 15-17! So I will post the 
> patch (without the sound files because it was too big!!). All help are more 
> than welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gilberto
> 
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Re: [PD] PeRcolate?

2007-03-05 Thread Spencer Russell
It seems that you can download RPMs of percolate at
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/pdworld.html#SECTION00063700

spencer


On 3/5/07, Stephen Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is still a Pd version of PeRcolate available?
> It seems it hasn't been kept alive..
> (At least the web site,
> http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/percolate/, seems to be
> down.)
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
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Re: [PD] a little pitchshifter

2007-03-05 Thread Mike McGonagle
I don't want to change the subject (and if needed, we can start a new
thread), but as this might be a related topic, here it is...

What would it take to turn this into a "Slowdown" abstraction?
Basically, I am interested in slowing down the tempo of a sound, but
NOT changing the pitch...

Am I off-base on this? Or can this be used as the starting point for
what I described?

Thanks,

Mike


On 3/5/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hallo,
> Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
>
> > Could aliasing be avoided by using a multi-pole low pass filter at
> > nyquist before sending the signal to the dac?
>
> No: Alias frequencies aren't too high, they are wrong frequencies,
> that have been mirrored at the Nyquist border. As soon as you try to
> play a sinewave at Nyquist + x, what you get is a sine at Nyquist - x,
> and you cannot lowpass out this frequency after it has been
> introduced.
>
> You can however upsample your signal first, then use a lowpass filter,
> then downsample again. See this chapter in The Book for more info:
> http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node194.html
> and J07.oversampling.pd
>
> Ciao
> --
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Re: [PD] PD Workshop files

2007-03-05 Thread jared
Hey all,

Sorry to keep dragging this out but I can't seem to find a solution.

Thanks Frank.  I tried what you mentioned.  It didn't work either.  Here
is the message I keep getting:

"HTTP request sent, awaiting response 200 OK  
Length: 27 [text/plain]
Server file no newer than local file
'pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/robots.txt'
--not retrieving

FINISHED --02:01:14--
Downloaded: 5, 783 bytes in 1 files"

Any ideas?  Thanks for the help.  Much appreciated.

jared

-Original Message-
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Of Frank Barknecht
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:51 AM
To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] PD Workshop files

Hallo,
jared hat gesagt: // jared wrote:

> and i forgot 2 links:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/faq.html
> and the all-wise trash heap:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=wget+directory
> 
>   I've checked the faq.  No luck.

Usually "wget --mirror -no-parent URL" does a pretty good job of
creating a mirror (==getting everything) below a certain URL-path.

Ciao
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Re: [PD] loading big sound files

2007-03-05 Thread gilberto bernardes

Dear all,

I'm having a problem in a patch and I would thank all the help. I just want 
to play 4 audio files, but the problem is that I'm getting a lot of 
clicks,each of the files are more or less 15 min, maybe this can be the 
problem. I already tryed to read the files from an array but the soundfiler 
object doesn't accept so bif files also.


Anyway I put them playing and I get a latency of 15-17! So I will post the 
patch (without the sound files because it was too big!!). All help are more 
than welcome.


Thanks,
Gilberto

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[PD] PD vista compatability

2007-03-05 Thread Geert Bleyen
Has anyone else had any experience with using PD on Vista64? I've tried it  
running on a vista 64bit machine and must say that it doesnt really work  
very well. The sound is totally screwed, a simple sinus synthesizer gives  
me weird sound anomalies (pulsating sounds). Using the same files in XP  
gives me no problems whatsoever. I presume that is caused by  
incompatibilities with either (or both) the 64bit of the vista OS. So are  
there any plans to release a vista64 release of PD?

My machine is a Intel core2Duo T5500, 2Gb memory, ATI X1400 mobile and a  
'Realtek High Definition Audio' soundcard.

Kind regards,
   Geert

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Re: [PD] PeRcolate?

2007-03-05 Thread Kevin McCoy
I exchanged emails with Olaf Matthes and he said that he is no longer
doing Pd-related projects, but that someone could take the Max source
and port it to Pd again.

Some of those objects (munger~ in particular) are really great.

Kevin

On 3/5/07, Stephen Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is still a Pd version of PeRcolate available?
> It seems it hasn't been kept alive..
> (At least the web site,
> http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/percolate/, seems to be
> down.)
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> Thanks,
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Re: [PD] PeRcolate?

2007-03-05 Thread Stephen Sinclair
Thanks!
I don't use Fedora, but I suppose I could use the source package from there.
Maybe there is a debianized version out there, I'll take a look.

Steve


On 3/5/07, Spencer Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems that you can download RPMs of percolate at
> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/pdworld.html#SECTION00063700
>
> spencer
>
>
> On 3/5/07, Stephen Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Does anyone know if there is still a Pd version of PeRcolate available?
> > It seems it hasn't been kept alive..
> > (At least the web site,
> > http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/percolate/, seems to be
> > down.)
> >
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[PD] PeRcolate?

2007-03-05 Thread Stephen Sinclair
Does anyone know if there is still a Pd version of PeRcolate available?
It seems it hasn't been kept alive..
(At least the web site,
http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/percolate/, seems to be
down.)

Thanks,
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[PD] [PD-announce] make art 2007 / FLOSS + Art festival / 3-8 April 2007 / Poitiers / France

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of free/libre and open source software (FLOSS) in digital arts.

The second edition of make art takes place in Poitiers (France),
from the 3rd to the 8th of April 2007.

make art offers performances, exhibitions, lectures and workshops,
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Hannes Hoelzl (IT/DE), Echo Ho (CN/DE), Emanuel Andel (AT) and
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La deuxième édition de make art se déroule à Poitiers (France)
du 3 au 8 avril 2007.

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Christoph Haag (DE), Martin Rumori (DE), Franziska Windisch (DE), 
Ludwig Zeller (DE), Simon Yuill (UK), Manuel Braun (FR), 
Jérome Abel (FR), Darsha Hewitt (CA) (sous réserve), 
Stéphanie Brodeur (CA) (sous réserve), Christophe Espern (FR), 
Hannu Puttonen (FI), Chun Lee (TW), Fokke de Jong (NL), 
Audun Eriksen (NO), Eva Sjuve (SE), Enrike Hurtado (ES), 
Steve Harris (UK), Sally Jane Norman (NZ), Martin Howse (UK), 
Jonathan Kemp (UK), Florian Cramer (DE), Gisle Froysland (NO), 
Dominik Bartkowski (FR), Apo33 (FR), Bjornar Habbestad (NO), 
Lasse Marhaug (NO), Frank Barknecht (DE), Cyrille Henry (FR), 
Nicolas Montgermont (FR), Jan-Kees van Kampen (NL), 
Benjamin Cadon (FR), Olivier Laruelle (FR), Chun Lee (TW), 
Hannes Hoelzl (IT/DE), Echo Ho (CN/DE), Emanuel Andel (AT) et
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[PD] [PD-announce] Pure Data workshop / make art festival / 3-6 April 2007 / Poitiers / France

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Modélisation physique et Pure Data

Intervenants: Cyrille Henry et Nicolas Montgermont - www.chdh.net
Date: Mardi 3 avril - Vendredi 6 avril 2007
Heure: 10:00 - 17:00
Lieu: Maison de l'Architecture, 1 rue de la Tranchée, 86000 Poitiers,
France
Tarif: 50 euros pour 4 jours

Réservation: ce workshop est ouvert à toute personne ayant des
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Pure Data est un logiciel de programmation multimédia orienté vers
l'interaction temps-réel et adapté pour le traitement et la synthèse
audio/vidéo. Son interface visuelle et l'utilisation de "patchs" lui
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rapide.

Ce workshop se concentre sur la synthèse de mouvement par modélisation
physique. L'objectif est d'aborder les notions fondamentales autour du
modèle physique, afin de créer des interactions et des animations
naturelles d'objets audiovisuels. Auteurs des librairie msd et pmpd pour
Pure Data, Cyrille Henry et Nicolas Montgermont en décriront les
fonctions et détailleront leurs utilisations.

Ce workshop est destiné à tous ceux qui veulent découvrir Pd ou
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programme détaillé du workshop sur le site du festival
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Physical Modeling and Pure Data

Teachers: Cyrille Henry and Nicolas Montgermont - www.chdh.net
Date: Tuesday 3 April - Friday 6 April 2007
Time: 10:00 am - 6:00 pm
Location: Maison des Architectes, 1 rue de la Tranchée, 86000 Poitiers,
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Price: 50 euros for 4 days

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attend.

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Pure Data is a programming software oriented towards real-time
interaction. Particularly fitted for audio/video processing and
synthesis, Pure Data is renowned for its great flexibility.

This workshop focuses on motion synthesis using physical modeling. The
goal is to create interactions and natural animations of audiovisual
objects within Pd. The authors of the pmpd and msd libraries will
describe the aim of these externals and will explain how to use them.

This workshop is for everyone who wants to discover Pd or deepen their
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Re: [PD] a little pitchshifter

2007-03-05 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote:

> Could aliasing be avoided by using a multi-pole low pass filter at
> nyquist before sending the signal to the dac?

No: Alias frequencies aren't too high, they are wrong frequencies,
that have been mirrored at the Nyquist border. As soon as you try to
play a sinewave at Nyquist + x, what you get is a sine at Nyquist - x,
and you cannot lowpass out this frequency after it has been
introduced.

You can however upsample your signal first, then use a lowpass filter,
then downsample again. See this chapter in The Book for more info:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node194.html
and J07.oversampling.pd

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Re: [PD] a little pitchshifter

2007-03-05 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Could aliasing be avoided by using a multi-pole low pass filter at
nyquist before sending the signal to the dac?

~Kyle

On 3/5/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hallo,
> Denis Trapeznikoff hat gesagt: // Denis Trapeznikoff wrote:
>
> > 2007/3/2, hard off <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >use this construction:
> > >
> > >[phasor~]
> > >|
> > >| [r arraylength]
> > >| |
> > >[*~ ]
> > >|
> > >[tabread4~ arrayname]
> > >
> > >
> > >where, "arraylength" is the value obtained from the outlet of
> > >[soundfiler] when you load your sample.
> > >
> > What about aliasing?
>
> Aliasing will happen as usual.
>
> Now it depends on the content of the "arrayname" table.  If
> "arrayname" is "const 0", you get no aliasing of course, if it
> contains one period of a sine wave, you have a construct like [osc~]
> and you will get aliasiang starting at phasor~ frequency = Nyquist =
> SR/2. If "arrayname" contains two periods of a sine, it's like playing
> an [osc~] with two times the [phasor~] frequency so you start to alias
> at a phasor~ frequency of 0.5 Nyquist and so on for arbitrary signals.
>
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Re: [PD] a little pitchshifter

2007-03-05 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Denis Trapeznikoff hat gesagt: // Denis Trapeznikoff wrote:

> 2007/3/2, hard off <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >use this construction:
> >
> >[phasor~]
> >|
> >| [r arraylength]
> >| |
> >[*~ ]
> >|
> >[tabread4~ arrayname]
> >
> >
> >where, "arraylength" is the value obtained from the outlet of
> >[soundfiler] when you load your sample.
> >
> What about aliasing?

Aliasing will happen as usual. 

Now it depends on the content of the "arrayname" table.  If
"arrayname" is "const 0", you get no aliasing of course, if it
contains one period of a sine wave, you have a construct like [osc~]
and you will get aliasiang starting at phasor~ frequency = Nyquist =
SR/2. If "arrayname" contains two periods of a sine, it's like playing
an [osc~] with two times the [phasor~] frequency so you start to alias
at a phasor~ frequency of 0.5 Nyquist and so on for arbitrary signals.

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Re: [PD] Using a Wind Controller with PD

2007-03-05 Thread paris
Hi Malte,

You have me curious... do you have any pics online from sessions where
you chewed visuals?

Thanks!
p

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [PD] Using a Wind Controller with PD
> From: Malte Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, February 21, 2007 12:53 pm
> To: pd-list@iem.at
> 
> > Cool! I have some patches that I would like to create an "interface"
> > with a WX5. Do you have anything like a prototype that you use to
> > build these things?
> I have to dig and can send it to you later but its not difficult nor 
> complex. The libsensor is build in the mouthpiece and can be played with 
> the libs, you can actually chew your sound (or in my case visuals). Its 
> just another datastream and adds to the expressiveness of the instrument.
> 
> Cheers, later more...
> 
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Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-03-05 Thread Miller Puckette
Looks like that's purely TK trying to "help"... ugh.

cheers
Miller

On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 07:15:48PM +0900, hard off wrote:
> cheers miller, that would be awesome.
> 
> sorry to keep this going, but what about bug #2:
> 
> >2) The opening position of property dialogs, when repeatedly accessed,
> "wander" down the screen, until eventually, they are nearly off the
> bottom of the screen.  I'm guessing the behavior is partly intentional,
> to enable tiling of multiply-opened windows, but it happens even when
> only one property window is open at a time.<
> 
> ??

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Re: [PD] GEM : fx to make persons appear only when they move

2007-03-05 Thread Denis Trapeznikoff

Sorry, if offtopic. I'm not aware of GEM functionalities, but the
algorythmic way to solve the problem, as I can see it, is:

compute diff(x,y)=f(t,x,y)-f(t-1,x,y), where f(t) is picture at present
moment;
compute alpha layer for the current picture alpha(x,y)=(diff(x,y)!=(0,0,0))
 for example, in C code the predicate "pixel difference
does not equal zero" could be written as

 char tmp = (char)(diff[x,y].red | diff[x,y].green |
diff[x,y].blue);
 alpha[x,y] = (unsigned char)((tmp | -tmp) >> 7); /*
the result is: 0 for 0 and 255 otherwise */;
blend initial background and current picture with computed alpha layer.

The second step requires per-pixel computations and takes 5 byte-arithmetics
per pixel (3 bitwise ORs, signed shiftright and negation, which in turn
could be expanded to bitwise NOT and subtraction, machine-dependent), thus
on a 320x240 24bpp picture taking overall 384000 (or 460800, with
subtractions from the first step) integer byte-arithmetics, which is three
of five orders of magnitude below the performance of modern CPUs.
Hmmm... what am I talking about?..
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Re: [PD] a little pitchshifter

2007-03-05 Thread Denis Trapeznikoff

2007/3/2, hard off <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


peter,

use this construction:

[phasor~]
|
| [r arraylength]
| |
[*~ ]
|
[tabread4~ arrayname]


where, "arraylength" is the value obtained from the outlet of
[soundfiler] when you load your sample.

the speed of the phasor should be set at  ( 44100 / arraylength ) to
play at a normal pitch (assuming your samplerate is 44100hz)..and
multiplying or dividing this value by a scalar you can change the
pplayback speed


What about aliasing?
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Re: [PD] Can't compile zexy [was: Re: [textfile] behavior]

2007-03-05 Thread David F. Place

On Mar 5, 2007, at 3:03 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

> where did you get zexy from? from CVS?
> or is it a source release from pd.iem.at ?

I got it from ftp://iem.at/pd/externals/ZEXY

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Re: [PD] hot do you get a comma into a symbol?

2007-03-05 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Luigi Rensinghoff hat gesagt: // Luigi Rensinghoff wrote:

> > hello, 'addcomma' adds a comma in message box
> 
> 
> a shame its not documented anywhereare there more hidden trix  
> like that ?

It's documented: See message-help.pd

Nevertheless "addcomma" won't make a symbol with a comma inside, as
commas are used to seperate messages and addcomma adds such a comma. 

For controlling amixer you can also use the amixer external from IEM.
In CVS it's at: "externals/iem/amixer". For the HDSP there also is
an external "externals/iem/hdspm_mixer". Never used it, as my laptop
doesn't like the HDSP.

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Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-03-05 Thread hard off
cheers miller, that would be awesome.

sorry to keep this going, but what about bug #2:

>2) The opening position of property dialogs, when repeatedly accessed,
"wander" down the screen, until eventually, they are nearly off the
bottom of the screen.  I'm guessing the behavior is partly intentional,
to enable tiling of multiply-opened windows, but it happens even when
only one property window is open at a time.<

??

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Re: [PD] hot do you get a comma into a symbol?

2007-03-05 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Luigi Rensinghoff wrote:

>>> ---
>> hello, 'addcomma' adds a comma in message box
> 
> 
> a shame its not documented anywhereare there more hidden trix  
> like that ?

? it is perfectly documented in the help-patch for message boxes...

however, it will not help rich in his problems, since the comma ha a
special meaning in pd (it separates 2 messages).
so [amixer -c 1 cset numid=5 26,2,32768( will be interpreted as 3
messages [amixer -c 1 cset numid=5 26(, [2( and [32768(, which is most
likely not what he wants.
what is needed is one symbol which holds commas.

this can be achieved in several ways, the most "simple" is probably
using zexy's [list2symbol] with a delimiter "," which can be generated
with [makefilename %c] and a value 44.

like:

[26 2 32768(
|
[t list bang]
|   |
|   [44(
|   |
|   [makefilename %c]
|   |
[list2symbol]
|


you can acchieve the same with pure pd as well, but it gets more
complicated (and you might want pd>=0.40 for better list handling)

mfga.sdr
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Re: [PD] hot do you get a comma into a symbol?

2007-03-05 Thread Luigi Rensinghoff

Am 05.03.2007 um 10:24 schrieb Patco:

> Rich E a écrit :
>> Is it possible to make one symbol that looks like "26,0,0" ?  I'd  
>> like
>> to be able to do the command:
>>
>> (amixer -c 1 cset numid=5 26,2,32768 (
>> |
>> shell
>>
>> which would control the hdsp matrix mixer.  But the commas make
>> message part before "2", then again on "32768". Any way to get the
>> whole thing in one message?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rich
>> - 
>> ---
> hello, 'addcomma' adds a comma in message box


a shame its not documented anywhereare there more hidden trix  
like that ?


Buogiorno

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Re: [PD] PD Workshop files

2007-03-05 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
jared hat gesagt: // jared wrote:

> and i forgot 2 links:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/faq.html
> and the all-wise trash heap:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=wget+directory
> 
>   I've checked the faq.  No luck.

Usually "wget --mirror -no-parent URL" does a pretty good job of
creating a mirror (==getting everything) below a certain URL-path.

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Re: [PD] hot do you get a comma into a symbol?

2007-03-05 Thread Patco
Rich E a écrit :
> Is it possible to make one symbol that looks like "26,0,0" ?  I'd like 
> to be able to do the command:
>
> (amixer -c 1 cset numid=5 26,2,32768 (
> |
> shell
>
> which would control the hdsp matrix mixer.  But the commas make 
> message part before "2", then again on "32768". Any way to get the 
> whole thing in one message?
>
> Regards,
> Rich
> 
hello, 'addcomma' adds a comma in message box

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Re: [PD] hot do you get a comma into a symbol?

2007-03-05 Thread Rich E

Just found the answer from a previous thread.. sorry for waiting your time!

On 3/5/07, Rich E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is it possible to make one symbol that looks like "26,0,0" ?  I'd like to
be able to do the command:

(amixer -c 1 cset numid=5 26,2,32768 (
|
shell

which would control the hdsp matrix mixer.  But the commas make message
part before "2", then again on "32768". Any way to get the whole thing in
one message?

Regards,
Rich

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[PD] hot do you get a comma into a symbol?

2007-03-05 Thread Rich E

Is it possible to make one symbol that looks like "26,0,0" ?  I'd like to be
able to do the command:

(amixer -c 1 cset numid=5 26,2,32768 (
|
shell

which would control the hdsp matrix mixer.  But the commas make message part
before "2", then again on "32768". Any way to get the whole thing in one
message?

Regards,
Rich
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Re: [PD] PD Workshop files

2007-03-05 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
jared wrote:
> and i forgot 2 links:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/faq.html
> and the all-wise trash heap:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=wget+directory
> 
>   I've checked the faq.  No luck.
> 

so what is your problem then?

if it is only missing luck, i suggest investigating on magic (like
four-leaf clovers) :-)

btw, i would suggest using CVS to get the desired directories anyhow.
this will make updating much easier.
see the http://puredata.info for more information on how to do that.
a good w32 client (imho) is tortoiseCVS.

mfg.asdr
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Re: [PD] Can't compile zexy [was: Re: [textfile] behavior]

2007-03-05 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
David F. Place wrote:
> Thanks for the tip.  I tried to compile the zexy library, but got an error.
...

> checking "ms-bitfields"... yes
> checking "pd\>=0.37"... yes


now that is very weird.
i am pretty sure that zexy's configure does perform a check for "-fPIC".
to be precise, here on my machine this check is performed right after
ms-bitfield, the corresponding output lines look like:

> checking whether gcc accepts "-mms-bitfields"... yes
> checking whether gcc accepts "-fPIC"... yes
> checking whether gcc accepts "-mfpmath=sse -msse"... yes
> checking "pd>=0.37"... yes

where did you get zexy from? from CVS?
or is it a source release from pd.iem.at ?
i suggest using the CVS version (zexy is pretty much stable: i seldom
add features, most changes are bug-fixes and i usually forget to make a
new release after such minor changes)


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