Re: [PD] time-to-symbol
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Re: [PD] pd ext - 0.40
Am 09.03.2007 um 05:24 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: Try an auto-build, but it might be rough: http://autobuild.puredata.info .hc Hi List... trying to build a PD 0.40.2 (extended and jacked) on macbook I did (as described in the howto) rsync -av --delete rsync://128.238.56.50/distros/pd-extended/ pd- extended/ when i try to make patch_pd i get: patching file g_graph.c Applying /sw/local/pd-extended/packages/patches/add_string_support.patch can't find file to patch at input line 8 Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? The text leading up to this was: -- |Index: pd/src/g_text.c |=== |RCS file: /cvsroot/pure-data/pd/src/g_text.c,v |retrieving revision 1.15 |diff -u -w -r1.15 g_text.c |--- pd/src/g_text.c4 Oct 2006 19:35:06 - 1.15 |+++ pd/src/g_text.c12 Feb 2007 03:45:43 - can i continue anyway with buildng or do i have to fix it first ? Thanx Luigi ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] in Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 msg 'reset' and 'clear' doesn?t work as before
nice to see, that´s possible to specifiy a path to the library method of an object. cheers, jukka Am 9.3.07 um 11:33 schrieb robbert van hulzen: i had trouble counting myself... see http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/ 2006-11/044431.html for another one of fb's great tutorials. another thing that may help, afaik, is to specify which counter you're using: rather than [counter], create eg [markex/counter], [cyclone/ counter]. cheers, robbert Hallo, Jukka Boehm hat gesagt: // Jukka Boehm wrote: in Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 msg 'reset' and 'clear' doesn?t work as before. error: counter: no method for 'reset' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. error: counter: no method for 'clear' is there a new help-file available? Which [counter] are you using? There are many [counter] objects and they are incompatible, so many in fact, that I would advise against using any of these at all! Better use [f ]x[+ 1] or [f ]x[+ 1]x[mod 16] if you know what I mean. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pix_movie not responding to auto immediately after opening movie file
hello, i'm having a problem with the [open( and [auto( messages for [pix_film] : i have an abstraction (see attachment) that responds to a [read movieName( in the right inlet by setting [auto 0(, then calling [open(. if i send a successive [start( in the right inlet, [auto 1( will be sent. i need to insert a stupid delay because otherwise the [auto 1( is swallowed. that delay is only safe in the order of some 100 milliseconds. i want this patch to be clean without any experimental delayed messages. is there a way to determine when pix_film is done with initializing the movie and when it will be ready to accept the auto message? thanks for help! ciao, -sciss- gemmovie.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD-list Digest, Vol 24, Issue 41
On 09/03/2007, at 1.48, David Powers wrote: I'm doing little scripts using python image library that are very useful preparing images for Gem. But maybe anybody who cares can already do it themselves, I don't know... I'm sure i don't know, as i've never script Python and don't use Gem (yet). What do they do? It would/could be interesting to know how you work when vj'ing. - if you care to share. Best, Steffen ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GEM / pix objects : limiting colours
hi, how can i limit the RGB channels of a film that goes through [pix_film] - [pix_buf] - [pix_gain] - [pix_offset]. right now i get colour wrapping from gain + offset but i want to limit the colours. say i scale down the red channel and i add an offset to the green channel, i don't want to green channel to wrap from = 1 to 0, but to limit all values above 1.0 to 1.0. thanks, -sciss- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] generative patches on mobile phones?
just out of interest, what do you want to do on a mobile phone? pete. On 09/03/07, yukio kuroiwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi...i think this is not possible, but you can comunicate both applications using osc protocol, for example you can have a experimental gui made in processing and puredata patch as sound engine . bye On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:50:26 -0800, Cypod [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: speaking of using www.processing.org to make java, is there anyway to load a pd patch into processing? On 3/8/07, Chris McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 02:06:38AM -0800, yukio kuroiwa wrote: hi, sorry for this stupid question... is a way of making generative pd patches for mobile phones? or is there any other alternative of creating generative music for mobile phones that support java? Hi Yukio, Not a stupid question. I am sure it's possible to make generative patches for mobile phones, but it would take a lot of work. Firstly, you might like to check out PDa which is a stripped back fixed-point version of Pure Data which you can compile for many different embedded processors such as those used in mobile phones. You'd then need to get a compiler for each phone that you wanted to do this on and make PDa compile for that phone. http://gige.xdv.org/pda/ As for Java, perhaps you could use some parts of the jMax project? Or you could roll your own solution, but in my experience there is a large variance in the capabilities of Java on mobile phones (so much for machine independence). Best, Chris. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- B~ www.cypod.co.nr -- yukio kuroiwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] how connect pd between pc and mac using cross cable?
hello, what setting for ip and port I need for connect pd between pc and mac osx? it is necessary to configure something outside to pd? is better netsend? or OSC? i am using ethernet cross cable. thanks. Andrés Ferrari G. http://puredata.org/Members/anfex __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Memento global and local saving?
Hallo, Luke Iannini (pd) hat gesagt: // Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: I am working on fixing this up thanks to Thomas's explanations... Is there any reason you used the xml format for local saving? Not really. AFAIR there were some problems with local saving in normal mode, so I tried the XML mode, but that's several months ago, so I don't really remember and I should try again. I was going to put it back on regular pool datafiles to be consistent with main memento. Yes, if it works, that's better. I believe I have things going the way they should! But I'd like to do a little more testing and make a nice (miniature) GUI for inclusion in local patches. Cool. I'll include it then. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Percolate
IOhannes m zmoelnig schreef: not quite true. (i'd say it is an anglo-centristic viewpoint ;-)) after all, in anglo-american space we have to deal with copyright whereas in continental europe we still have the urheberrecht which is something really different. copyright is the english (language) equivalent of urheberrecht. there's no difference. this is an area everybody typically has a strong opinion about. sadly this opinion is mostly based on severe misconceptions. m -- http://www.mprims.net ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] libjack0.100.0-0 needed for newest extended - Kubuntu loop!
pd ext needs libjack.100.0-0 which needs libc6 which needs libasound2_1.0.13-2 which needs tzdata and libnettle2_1.15. Libnettle needs tzdata, tzdata needs libnettle when installed with pike 7.6 core; when tzdata is installed alone, this it is blocked by a broken pipe with a Canadia installation??? I'm chasing my tail here. Any workarounds - or Kubuntu update needed? thanks, Mark Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Pduino 0.3 release
-- Forwarded message -- From: we are [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mar 10, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pduino 0.3 release To: Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks hans can't wait to try it, but i have to as my duino is in transit damnit! great to see people using this thing as i'm about to join the club. ta On 3/9/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, thanks for testing it. I'd like to add pulseOut() and shiftOut (), do you have any devices that need that, like servos or character displays? I don't so... .hc On Mar 8, 2007, at 5:18 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote: hello hans cool! i will test it as soon as i will get my arduino in my fingers again. and: many thanks or all that work you invested in this project! cheers roman On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 01:04 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/objects.html You can read all about the protocol design here: http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Interfacing/Sensorbox Here are some key changes: - new MIDI-based protocol - rebuilt from scratch, cleaner and smaller code - timer-based loop to poll analogIns and serial - the firmware will report its version, and blink the version at boot - reduced serial speed to 57600 to work around glitches - Makefile to build from command line Hopefully this works better, test it out and let me know. .hc - --- Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http:// messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_write problems
Could you please also share the patch? ~Kyle On 3/8/07, marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I am running into problems with pix_write. the colors of my images seem to be screwed up. is there a problem with the colorspace? sorry for attaching the images dierectly, but they are really small... pd extended 0.39, intel OSX marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (()()()(()))()()())( (())(())()((( ))(__ _())(()))___ (((000)))oOO ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] hot do you get a comma into a symbol?
Double oops... sorry I accidently hit reply instead of reply to all. Now I see you can access all the soundcard's features through [amixer], nice IOhannes! So, I guess the only thing that would help is a help file... amixer is kindof a tricky tool. cheers, rich On 3/9/07, Rich E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/8/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich E wrote: I messed around with iem's amixer and hdspm_mixer ( had to change it a little to allow the hdsp) a while back, but there is alot more the hdspm_mixer was written with the hdsp-madi card in mind, and not with normal hdsp cards, so it is likely that it did not work out of the box. however, it would be great if you could share your code so it can be included in the hdspm_mixer code and everybody can profit from it. The only thing I did was edit the strncmp line in hdspm_mixer.c ( line 33) to check for the hdsp multiface as well as the hdsp madi. I forgot the exact name and I lost the file along with my old harddrive, but I remember that it seemed to work ok. But it didn't have any more functionality than amixer, such as getting and setting the channel gains. additionally i'd like to know which functionality is missing in the amixer object, as i would like to improve it to make it more usable. probably file a feature request at sourceforge.net (because else, i will probably forget about it...) There are alot of options on the hdsp, such as setting wordclocks and samplerates. Not really things that need to be scripted, but who knows. I like being able to print out info about what is going on too, which works using [shell]. One thing that I am trying to figure out though how would you go about monitoring the levels that are being sent out? the hdspmixer shows them, but I can't find where in the code they calculate the amplitude envelope. rich functionality in the terminal versions, so it is nice to be able to write scripts for them within pd. yes of course; and the world does not end at amixer and it is likely that the problem with commas will re-appear at another application where there happens to be no external available. As for the HDSP, I'm about to throw mine against a wall. After months of fiddling, I can get 4 channels of 88.2k audio in and out ( but not 8 channels of 44.1k... which boggles me. I get constant dropouts with the ALSA driver), but even that is at a 30ms latency cost. Frank, what weird, here i do not remember having much problems with these cards. mfng.asdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] howto patch .diff files ?
You could try one of the 0.40.2 auto-builds, which should have that patch: http://autobuild.puredata.info .hc On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:22 PM, Rich E wrote: I was using Pd-extended for a while and I came to like [closebang], but now I've updated to Miller's .40-1 version.. which doesn't have it. I found the closeinitbang.diff file on sourceforge, but I don't understand how to apply it to the source package. I try: patch closeinitbang.diff and it hangs up... maybe I'm bad at reading manuals. cheers, rich ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] apt get for abstractions
following on from the ongoing debate about bundles for patches with many abstractions, I had the idea for an apt-get style system, where someone who wants a patch can enter a command get all necessary abstractions at the same time... ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Percolate
On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David Powers wrote: On 3/8/07, Thomas Grill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann: although i don't really like this clause, the following description is quite clear: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF I knew about this one, but i don't think that this is applicable if there is no actual distribution of the non-GPLd program with GPLd plugins. I might be wrong, though. Anyway, i don't care much - if the GPL is odd enough to violate against such usage i would consider a different license. Idealism gone. Not to mention, that the GPL has never been rigorously tested in a court of law. At least in the United States, such matters are in something of a legal limbo, until the courts set precedents. While this is technically true, it's not really meaningful that no one has gone to court over the GPL. The reason why is because copyright license law is so clear and straightforward in regards to the GPL that no one would be stupid enough to fight the FSF in court. They would lose and just spend more money doing it. The FSF actively enforces the GPL, getting lots of different sources released (the Linksys firmware source is a good example). The FSF has no reason to take anyone to court as long as they comply with the license. So far everyone has. .hc Interestingly, this identical issue came up on the ChucK list today. There is a [chuck~] external for max/msp, which it turns out probably violates the GPL. Anyway, I'm all for the pragmatic approach as Thomas Grill has just expressed ... (Just like, if I decide I want to sample a Prince song tomorrow night, I'm going to do it, copyright laws be damned...!) ~David ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] syncgrain for osx
hi , is there anyplace where i can find the syncgrain object of macosx? thanx -- yukio kuroiwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Mediamatic workshop
If you were ate the Mediamatic Puredata workshop last month then as I promised attendees here's the notes. Sorry it's taken me a while to get this done, been busy with other work. Lecture notes/slides as Pd are given for the first session on message/control and introductory sudio synthesis. The group exercises are there too. http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/workshops/mediamatic/mediamatic.html Prolly a bit late for news now, but there's a Ardunio workshop happening this weekend (11/12th) at the same venue. Cheers, Andy ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Patch Crashed Durring Development and Will Not Reopen
Hallo! Now when i try to open the patch PD just crashes immediately. This has never happened to me before so im not exactly sure what to do! try to open your patch with: pd -noloadbang then you can look through the patch and try out where's the problem ... Ive attached the patch if someone would be kind enough to take a look for me! Ive worked on it quit a bit but be wary it is only about 1/4th done and i am usually very nervous about sharing my work before completion! well, pd patches are never complete .. ;) LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Patch Crashed Durring Development and Will Not Reopen
Don't you hate it when that happens :(
I tried these options and found an error
pd -nomidi -noaudio -nrt -verbose -d 3 ./foruseintargeting2.pd
pdtk_post {
error: }
pdtk_post {canvas_restore: out of context}
pdtk_post {
consistency check failed: }
pdtk_post {t_canvasenvironment}
Segmentation fault
I tried deleting some of the canvas objects to see if I could find
the bad one, but no luck so far.
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:22:08 -0800 (PST)
mark edward grimm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear collective PD community,
While developing a patch PD unexpectedly crashed on me
(windows extended version test 7)...
Now when i try to open the patch PD just crashes
immediately. This has never happened to me before so
im not exactly sure what to do!
I tried opening it on mac OSX with the same results -
PD immediately crashes. I have not tried opening it
on a linux environment yet.
I opened the patch in jEdit to check to see if some
information was corrupted upon crash and nothing
seemed to catch my eye... In the process i have been
trying to understand the code a little better so that
I might be able to fix the patch directly in a text
editor but when attempting trial-and-error by removing
sections between #n canvas(s) i do not feel like i
am altering the results in anyway...
Ive attached the patch if someone would be kind enough
to take a look for me! Ive worked on it quit a bit but
be wary it is only about 1/4th done and i am usually
very nervous about sharing my work before completion!
thanks for the help!
mark
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Re: [PD] Patch Crashed Durring Development and Will Not Reopen
hi georg
ah yes i remember that now. i tried it out but pd
still crashes immediately
i also tried suppressing the gui with -nogui and pd
crashes also.
with -d 1 i get:
error: canvas_restore:out of context
consistency check failed: t-canvasenvironment
h
--- Georg Holzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo!
Now when i try to open the patch PD just crashes
immediately. This has never happened to me before
so
im not exactly sure what to do!
try to open your patch with:
pd -noloadbang
then you can look through the patch and try out
where's the problem ...
Ive attached the patch if someone would be kind
enough
to take a look for me! Ive worked on it quit a bit
but
be wary it is only about 1/4th done and i am
usually
very nervous about sharing my work before
completion!
well, pd patches are never complete .. ;)
LG
Georg
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I tried deleting some of the canvas objects to see
if I could find
the bad one, but no luck so far.
yes. thanks. i did this for an hour or so yesterday
and the day before with no luck... ugh!
BTW. i utilized a couple of your patches in this patch
most notably the gun stuff...exactly what i needed.
your tutorials are great!
--- padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't you hate it when that happens :(
I tried these options and found an error
pd -nomidi -noaudio -nrt -verbose -d 3
./foruseintargeting2.pd
pdtk_post {
error: }
pdtk_post {canvas_restore: out of context}
pdtk_post {
consistency check failed: }
pdtk_post {t_canvasenvironment}
Segmentation fault
I tried deleting some of the canvas objects to see
if I could find
the bad one, but no luck so far.
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:22:08 -0800 (PST)
mark edward grimm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear collective PD community,
While developing a patch PD unexpectedly crashed
on me
(windows extended version test 7)...
Now when i try to open the patch PD just crashes
immediately. This has never happened to me before
so
im not exactly sure what to do!
I tried opening it on mac OSX with the same
results -
PD immediately crashes. I have not tried opening
it
on a linux environment yet.
I opened the patch in jEdit to check to see if
some
information was corrupted upon crash and nothing
seemed to catch my eye... In the process i have
been
trying to understand the code a little better so
that
I might be able to fix the patch directly in a
text
editor but when attempting trial-and-error by
removing
sections between #n canvas(s) i do not feel like
i
am altering the results in anyway...
Ive attached the patch if someone would be kind
enough
to take a look for me! Ive worked on it quit a bit
but
be wary it is only about 1/4th done and i am
usually
very nervous about sharing my work before
completion!
thanks for the help!
mark
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Re: [PD] Percolate
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 19:52 +0100, mik wrote: copyright is the english (language) equivalent of urheberrecht. there's no difference. there is a difference in concept, it is not just a translation. read more on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright . roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Patch Crashed Durring Development and Will Not Reopen
First thing I tried with it. In fact it dies even with -nogui Some kind of restore problem I think. So I removed all the restore commands and now it opens. Well, I say it opens, I think there may be some usability issues (its borked bigtime). How can we use the debug output to more precisely target the bad restore that seems to be the error? btw Mark, I'd love to see a video of what the AK is like with some visuals. Did you manage to hit anything with it yet? a. On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:13:47 +0100 Georg Holzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo! Now when i try to open the patch PD just crashes immediately. This has never happened to me before so im not exactly sure what to do! try to open your patch with: pd -noloadbang then you can look through the patch and try out where's the problem ... Ive attached the patch if someone would be kind enough to take a look for me! Ive worked on it quit a bit but be wary it is only about 1/4th done and i am usually very nervous about sharing my work before completion! well, pd patches are never complete .. ;) LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Percolate
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David Powers wrote: Not to mention, that the GPL has never been rigorously tested in a court of law. At least in the United States, such matters are in something of a legal limbo, until the courts set precedents. While this is technically true, it's not really meaningful that no one has gone to court over the GPL. At least here in Germany the GPL *was* tested successfully in court last year: http://gpl-violations.org/news/20060922-dlink-judgement_frankfurt.html Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Patch Crashed Durring Development and Will Not Reopen
hey cool! so ill just take out the restores and give that a shot then... be some usability issues (its borked bigtime). HA! yeah i imagine it is! I thought i had learned my lesson to make number-sequenced backups as i went along from the early days of digital video editing but obviously not! btw Mark, I'd love to see a video of what the AK is like with some visuals. Did you manage to hit anything with it yet? sure! might be a little bit... yeah i shoot myself. i am using blob tracking as a sort of motion detection. the AK starts firing when someone enters the room... i was just about to add bullet tracing using particles when it started crashing... now i have to re-motivate myself. cheers m --- padawan12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First thing I tried with it. In fact it dies even with -nogui Some kind of restore problem I think. So I removed all the restore commands and now it opens. Well, I say it opens, I think there may be some usability issues (its borked bigtime). How can we use the debug output to more precisely target the bad restore that seems to be the error? btw Mark, I'd love to see a video of what the AK is like with some visuals. Did you manage to hit anything with it yet? a. On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:13:47 +0100 Georg Holzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo! Now when i try to open the patch PD just crashes immediately. This has never happened to me before so im not exactly sure what to do! try to open your patch with: pd -noloadbang then you can look through the patch and try out where's the problem ... Ive attached the patch if someone would be kind enough to take a look for me! Ive worked on it quit a bit but be wary it is only about 1/4th done and i am usually very nervous about sharing my work before completion! well, pd patches are never complete .. ;) LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM / pix objects : limiting colours
mac intel. however the pix_offset help file says When adding an offset to each color-channel, no clipping is done. Thus you can wrap around the color-space, so probably it behaves right, only in my case i want to prevent wrapping ... ciao, -sciss- Am 11.03.2007 um 18:13 schrieb chris clepper: The colors should not wrap around. What CPU are you using? On 3/9/07, Sciss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, how can i limit the RGB channels of a film that goes through [pix_film] - [pix_buf] - [pix_gain] - [pix_offset]. right now i get colour wrapping from gain + offset but i want to limit the colours. say i scale down the red channel and i add an offset to the green channel, i don't want to green channel to wrap from = 1 to 0, but to limit all values above 1.0 to 1.0. thanks, -sciss- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_movie not responding to auto immediately after opening movie file
The auto state is not reset when each film is loaded. You can set auto before any film loads and it should stick. Why do you set auto 0 at all? On 3/9/07, Sciss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, i'm having a problem with the [open( and [auto( messages for [pix_film] : i have an abstraction (see attachment) that responds to a [read movieName( in the right inlet by setting [auto 0(, then calling [open(. if i send a successive [start( in the right inlet, [auto 1( will be sent. i need to insert a stupid delay because otherwise the [auto 1( is swallowed. that delay is only safe in the order of some 100 milliseconds. i want this patch to be clean without any experimental delayed messages. is there a way to determine when pix_film is done with initializing the movie and when it will be ready to accept the auto message? thanks for help! ciao, -sciss- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM / pix objects : limiting colours
On 3/11/07, Sciss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mac intel. however the pix_offset help file says When adding an offset to each color-channel, no clipping is done. Thus you can wrap around the color-space, so probably it behaves right, only in my case i want to prevent wrapping ... The PPC code does not wrap around since Altivec has saturating addition. Maybe MMX lacks that. I'll check when I have the time. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Percolate
I don't think copyright is the same as urheberrecht. I would rather compare it to authorship. the copyright goes always to the owner. for example, when you work for a big Pd company and your boss says, write a pd patch for that exhibition, than you would be the author, but since that would be considered a work for hire, your boss would have the copyright. in europe this is slightly different, because as the author/urheber you have some default rights on your work, which you maybe do not have in the US. some general rules about the us copyright: copyright protects creative output, (compositions, lyrics, expressions, also gestures, lighting.) but not ideas or facts. the important thing is always sufficiant creativity. it protects the copyright holder against unauthorized reproduction, display, performance, or derivative works. (of course this is only the short version.) one speciality for example is the joined work, when several people work as a group on an artwork and you cannot split up the whole thing, then everybody would have the right to grant rights, but not exclusive rights, which can only be granted, when all participants of the group agree on that... anyway, the biggest discussions in the US at the moment are about fair use. lat's talk about that another time. marius. mik wrote: copyright is the english (language) equivalent of urheberrecht. there's no difference. this is an area everybody typically has a strong opinion about. sadly this opinion is mostly based on severe misconceptions. m ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM / pix objects : limiting colours
The colors should not wrap around. What CPU are you using? On 3/9/07, Sciss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, how can i limit the RGB channels of a film that goes through [pix_film] - [pix_buf] - [pix_gain] - [pix_offset]. right now i get colour wrapping from gain + offset but i want to limit the colours. say i scale down the red channel and i add an offset to the green channel, i don't want to green channel to wrap from = 1 to 0, but to limit all values above 1.0 to 1.0. thanks, -sciss- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how connect pd between pc and mac using cross cable?
I have done this through a router with netsend. Once I had the network set up, netsend worked without anything else. Unfortunately, it has been many months since I did it, and I don't recall how I had the network set up. But it can be done. -Chuckk On 3/9/07, Andres Ferrari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, what setting for ip and port I need for connect pd between pc and mac osx? it is necessary to configure something outside to pd? is better netsend? or OSC? i am using ethernet cross cable. thanks. Andrés Ferrari G. http://puredata.org/Members/anfex __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] new auto-build machine: ubuntu-edgy-i386
There isn't a Intel Mac dedicated to the build farm, we have access to one, as do many other people. The room that it's in is under renovation, so it's in flux... it should be back. .hc On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:54 AM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: Hallo Hans! What happened to the Intel Mac builds? I haven't seen even a failure log in a long time... On 3/8/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I figured that we needed an up-to-date Ubuntu box, since Edgy has been released: ubuntu-edgy-i386.idmi.poly.edu It should start working as of tonight. Plus Marius took some pictures of the new home for the Pd auto-build farm. It's much more legit than a corner in my office. There is AC, network equipment, and lots of wires. .hc - --- Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ PD-dev mailing list PD-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Percolate
yes, okay, urheberrecht seems to be a particular case, only applicable in germany. but on the whole most national copyright laws are very alike, since most countries have signed the convention of berne, and have the concept of moral rights, ie rights which never can be transferred. what you cite as the general rules of us copyright is the basis of almost any copyright law. the moral rights issue, however, seems not to be entirely resolved in the anglo-american parts of our planet, but in theory these countries should also protect these rights, as they have signed the berne convention. p. :) m marius schebella schreef: I don't think copyright is the same as urheberrecht. I would rather compare it to authorship. the copyright goes always to the owner. for example, when you work for a big Pd company and your boss says, write a pd patch for that exhibition, than you would be the author, but since that would be considered a work for hire, your boss would have the copyright. in europe this is slightly different, because as the author/urheber you have some default rights on your work, which you maybe do not have in the US. some general rules about the us copyright: copyright protects creative output, (compositions, lyrics, expressions, also gestures, lighting.) but not ideas or facts. the important thing is always sufficiant creativity. it protects the copyright holder against unauthorized reproduction, display, performance, or derivative works. (of course this is only the short version.) one speciality for example is the joined work, when several people work as a group on an artwork and you cannot split up the whole thing, then everybody would have the right to grant rights, but not exclusive rights, which can only be granted, when all participants of the group agree on that... anyway, the biggest discussions in the US at the moment are about fair use. lat's talk about that another time. marius. mik wrote: copyright is the english (language) equivalent of urheberrecht. there's no difference. this is an area everybody typically has a strong opinion about. sadly this opinion is mostly based on severe misconceptions. m ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.mprims.net ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_write problems
I think this was fixed in CVS. Can you try pix_snap and pix_record instead? Send 'colorspace RGBA' to pix_record before opening the file. On 3/8/07, marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I am running into problems with pix_write. the colors of my images seem to be screwed up. is there a problem with the colorspace? sorry for attaching the images dierectly, but they are really small... pd extended 0.39, intel OSX marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] apt get for abstractions
Sure, But such a system should be as portable as Pd. Such a system should be in C, I guess, for maximum portability. Like APT, I find the pear package system very nice too. It would be very easy to adapt, but it is in PHP. It uses XML to store informations about the files hierarchy. Marc Lavallée told me about a simple package system that would be easy to adapt, but I forgot its name. Marc ? Such a topic might fit better in the pd-dev list. Alex 2007/3/11, adam armfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]: following on from the ongoing debate about bundles for patches with many abstractions, I had the idea for an apt-get style system, where someone who wants a patch can enter a command get all necessary abstractions at the same time... ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Packing pointers into lists
Hi all, gpointers are used (de facto) to store pointers by many externals and library. Would it be more stable to provide a standard data type for pointers like gemchains, #grids and such ? I doubt, but it would be more consistent. BTW Chris, you can also use iem_anything to store and repeat *gem lists. Cheers, a 2007/3/6, Chris McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 10:00:37PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: OK... looks like [list append] does deal with pointers almost correctly (I forgot I had done that), but there is a bug when you send a new list to its inlet re-entrantly. I'll fix this for 0.41 but in the meantime you can work around it by forcing a copy of the outgoing message (send a list to t b l connected to the two inlets of list append to make a copy of the list)... Ah, this seems to work. I still get consistency check failed: gpointer_copy messages however using Pd from current CVS. But it's nice to see this in action generally. Shot in the dark; so does this mean we can store GEM pointers in lists too? That would be neat because then you could make a non-zexy abstraction-only [repeat] object. Best, Chris. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Percolate
To be pedantic, the French droit d'auteur is very similar to urheberrecht, so there are other countries with different systems. I think we are basically on the same page. For the average person there is basically no noticeable difference between these systems, it's really just a question of the legal mechanisms used rather than the effects. .hc On Mar 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, mik wrote: yes, okay, urheberrecht seems to be a particular case, only applicable in germany. but on the whole most national copyright laws are very alike, since most countries have signed the convention of berne, and have the concept of moral rights, ie rights which never can be transferred. what you cite as the general rules of us copyright is the basis of almost any copyright law. the moral rights issue, however, seems not to be entirely resolved in the anglo-american parts of our planet, but in theory these countries should also protect these rights, as they have signed the berne convention. p. :) m marius schebella schreef: I don't think copyright is the same as urheberrecht. I would rather compare it to authorship. the copyright goes always to the owner. for example, when you work for a big Pd company and your boss says, write a pd patch for that exhibition, than you would be the author, but since that would be considered a work for hire, your boss would have the copyright. in europe this is slightly different, because as the author/ urheber you have some default rights on your work, which you maybe do not have in the US. some general rules about the us copyright: copyright protects creative output, (compositions, lyrics, expressions, also gestures, lighting.) but not ideas or facts. the important thing is always sufficiant creativity. it protects the copyright holder against unauthorized reproduction, display, performance, or derivative works. (of course this is only the short version.) one speciality for example is the joined work, when several people work as a group on an artwork and you cannot split up the whole thing, then everybody would have the right to grant rights, but not exclusive rights, which can only be granted, when all participants of the group agree on that... anyway, the biggest discussions in the US at the moment are about fair use. lat's talk about that another time. marius. mik wrote: copyright is the english (language) equivalent of urheberrecht. there's no difference. this is an area everybody typically has a strong opinion about. sadly this opinion is mostly based on severe misconceptions. m ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.mprims.net ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Law (was Re: Percolate)
chris mccormick wrote: Oh well. Time to move to Europe or Asia I guess. On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 12:06:37PM +0100, robbert van hulzen wrote: don't jump to conclusions... after 'normen waarden' (norms values), security is the big thing for the dutch government in the recent past (and somehow i don't think the new government, though including the socalled social democrats, will make things much better). it's time for that island community ... :) Heheh, Pd-powered island community. That could be pretty awesome! Chris. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Percolate
On Mar 11, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David Powers wrote: Not to mention, that the GPL has never been rigorously tested in a court of law. At least in the United States, such matters are in something of a legal limbo, until the courts set precedents. While this is technically true, it's not really meaningful that no one has gone to court over the GPL. At least here in Germany the GPL *was* tested successfully in court last year: http://gpl-violations.org/news/20060922-dlink-judgement_frankfurt.html Yeah, I just saw that. D-Link was silly enough to take it to court. Looks like they not only lost the case in court, but also had to pay for all the legal expenses for both sides. It also sounds like the the GPL people would have gotten damages too if they had requested it. .hc Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Patch Crashed Durring Development and Will Not Reopen
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 10:06:29AM -0700, mark edward grimm wrote: HA! yeah i imagine it is! I thought i had learned my lesson to make number-sequenced backups as i went along from the early days of digital video editing but obviously not! You should really look at installing a versioning system. It will make your life so much easier. You don't have to maintain complicated backups as it's all taken care of for you, and you can automatically revert to any past version when something bad like this happens. Does anybody know of a versioning system that runs on a native PC and doesn't require a server? I think bzr might actually do this. Best, Chris. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd ext - 0.40
On Mar 9, 2007, at 7:36 AM, Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: Am 09.03.2007 um 05:24 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: Try an auto-build, but it might be rough: http://autobuild.puredata.info .hc Hi List... trying to build a PD 0.40.2 (extended and jacked) on macbook I did (as described in the howto) rsync -av --delete rsync://128.238.56.50/distros/pd-extended/ pd- extended/ when i try to make patch_pd i get: patching file g_graph.c Applying /sw/local/pd-extended/packages/patches/ add_string_support.patch can't find file to patch at input line 8 Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? The text leading up to this was: -- |Index: pd/src/g_text.c |=== |RCS file: /cvsroot/pure-data/pd/src/g_text.c,v |retrieving revision 1.15 |diff -u -w -r1.15 g_text.c |--- pd/src/g_text.c4 Oct 2006 19:35:06 - 1.15 |+++ pd/src/g_text.c12 Feb 2007 03:45:43 - can i continue anyway with buildng or do i have to fix it first ? Sounds like some files aren't in the right place. You can always try to build it, but you might not get the expected results from the resulting build. .hc Thanx Luigi ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list [W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.-John Gilmore ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Percolate
Hans-Christoph Steiner schreef: To be pedantic, the French droit d'auteur is very similar to urheberrecht, so there are other countries with different systems. I think we are basically on the same page. For the average person there is basically no noticeable difference between these systems, it's really just a question of the legal mechanisms used rather than the effects. .hc it probably is, as is the belgian, which i am mainly talking about, all eu members have the same regulations to adhere to, after all, but the german system seemed a bit more strict to me, at first glance. it's the inalienablity of certain rights which seems to make the difference (between the us and the rest). the question is: does the berne convention precede national law? ssorry: way OT. that question is one ask myself. this is not the place to continue discussing about it. m ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Percolate
Any progress on this so far or a response from the authors about modifying licensing? Just checking - I have enjoyed reading about copyrights but I was just wondering the status of this. Maybe it's too soon to ask though. Thanks, Kevin On 3/6/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, please try! Having percolate's non-STK objects available would be so lovely. I'm sure it's not in their intention to keep percolate from being used in open source projects just because of a hairy license issue, but they are the only ones who could do something about it. BTW, the latest version of munger~ 0.9beta6 is STK-dependent. The one we have currently built and is working just fine isn't (this one is based off of 0.9beta5). FWIW, you can always compile flext with stk... Alternately, a couple ifdefs should do the trick... Best wishes, Ico ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://pocketkm.blogspot.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] python 2.4 on OSX
shit, I upgraded my python version, but py seems to be hardcoded to 2.3 and does not load anymore. /Applications/Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/py.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/py.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/Python Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/py.pd_darwin Reason: image not found can I just make a symlink/alias to fix this??? marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
