Re: [PD] [pool] binary for Mac Intel?
I can't seem to find [pool] in my latest download of PD-extended (0.40.3-extended-20071204, Intel Mac). I see help files and some docs for it, but no PD object -- is there an OS X i86 version of it in any of the builds, or am I looking in the wrong place? Hi, up-to-date versions of all my externals for Windows and OSX (UB) can be found at http://g.org/ext/beta gr~~~ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pix_record issue
2007/12/30, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Olivier Heinry wrote: Hi, there's a problem with the pix_record object which is atm makes it totally unusable on debian testing. Unofortunately for me , I did a patch which relies on it, and that used to work until May , and when I reopened it in December dont work any more. Neither the official Debian package of Gem nor Pd-extended or CVS compiled version work. I asked that is very weird, as afair at least the debian package doesn't even feature the [pix_record] object. if it does, then this gets even weirder, as the debian package has not been updated for a long time (it is still the last official 0.90 release) the only thing that has changed on the debian side is quicktime (upgraded from libquicktime0 to libquicktime1), so it might be related to that. Well, I just reinstalled a debian stable instead of lenny (too much maintainance) , installed Pd-extended 0.39-3 from the Sourceforge link and pix_record works again. (CVS version compiled 2007 Oct. 21st). So I guess it is related to the source code (i read the archive of gem-dev about hard coded 20fps and the many pd crashes that occur ) and the hardcoding of 20fps should do nothing to the stability of the object. the only drawback of this is, that the recorded movie will be played back (by other media-players than Gem; which respect the framerate) at the wrong speed (too slow, too fast) OK. The really annoying bug is the following: if you use pix_record as a top-level object such as in the help file. Once you nest it into an abstraction and/or subpatch, it works the first time you record, crashes the second time. It behaves this way on my x86 Debian Etch box, libquicktime is libquicktime0 (0.9.7-1) Benjamin Cadon told me the same happened to him (Benjamin, could you post your details?) . I gave a try to Pure:Dyne's Gem version pix_record from puredyne-2.3.66-DVD-RC1 and beforehttp://royalrabbit.goto10.org/rl/NL_waag.org/testing/iso/puredyne-2.3.66-DVD-RC2.iso beahves the same as described before pix_record from puredyne-2.3.66-DVD-RC2 is brokenhttp://royalrabbit.goto10.org/rl/NL_waag.org/testing/iso/puredyne-2.3.66-DVD-RC2.iso(object doesnt create at all) I was wondering if there was a way have its bugs corrected (be it by the magical powers of a bounty) or will it stay postponed to the Greek calendas? - file a bug-report (please file it at pd-gem's tracker not at the pure-data tracker) OK Is it more reasonable to patch a woraround with pix_write? not very reasonable (though working) i would prefer having [pix_record] fixed. me too! One workaround that benjamin did is to reinstatiaate the abstraction after each recording ++ O. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] /docs/developer/Debian/ update?
Hello, on a brand new Etch box I ran the following For Debian/stable, add these: libmagick++6 libmagick++6-dev libdps1 libdps-dev And apt says libmagick++6 has been replaced by libmagick++9c2a (same for libjack0.80.0-0, looks like it has been replaced by libjack0.100.0-0) libdps1 libdps-dev dont appear in the official etch depots, but in the sarge/oldstable). What are they needed for? is it mandatory to add them? ++ O. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] why do the lines feed of the comments disappear when i open a patch?
Hi, why do the lines feed of the comments (ctrl+5) disappear when i open a patch? I create them just pushing enter key. any solution? br. GARFF _ La vida de los famosos al desnudo en MSN Entretenimiento http://entretenimiento.es.msn.com/___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] slightly: building audio computer with PD
* Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-31 18:47]: So I made sure to mount all my drives read-only, and that everything would start from a script on power-up. Having the whole operating system on a Flash card/USB stick (again, no logging, read-only) is also quite How do you do that? Do you mount /var/log as ramdisk which gets erased at reboot, or do you tell every service/daemon not to log? thanks, PP ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] why do the lines feed of the comments disappear when i open a patch?
Quoting Javier Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, why do the lines feed of the comments (ctrl+5) disappear when i open a patch? I create them just pushing enter key. because they are not stored in the patch-format. this is a known issue (which is most likely not to be fixed very soon, as it is a minor issue) any solution? use multiple comments. i know that it is ugly, but at least it works... gfamsd.r IOhannes br. GARFF _ La vida de los famosos al desnudo en MSN Entretenimiento http://entretenimiento.es.msn.com/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pool] binary for Mac Intel?
On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: I can't seem to find [pool] in my latest download of PD-extended (0.40.3-extended-20071204, Intel Mac). I see help files and some docs for it, but no PD object -- is there an OS X i86 version of it in any of the builds, or am I looking in the wrong place? Hi, up-to-date versions of all my externals for Windows and OSX (UB) can be found at http://g.org/ext/beta You could also just copy the binaries out of the Pd-extended release, if you want that specific version. .hc 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] slightly: building audio computer with PD
Either way could work, the ramdisk is a particularly good idea. Unless the installation is networked, there's not too much need for logfiles in the classic server or multiuser environment sort of sense. You could probably also just disable to logging daemon by removing it from the boot scripts using rc-update (on Gentoo at least, or with another distro-specific equivalent). I imagine that logging would simply just fail quietly if the partition were read-only... I mean, what would log the fact that the logs weren't logging? ;-) best, d. Peter Plessas wrote: * Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-31 18:47]: So I made sure to mount all my drives read-only, and that everything would start from a script on power-up. Having the whole operating system on a Flash card/USB stick (again, no logging, read-only) is also quite How do you do that? Do you mount /var/log as ramdisk which gets erased at reboot, or do you tell every service/daemon not to log? -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 184: Where is the edge? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pool] binary for Mac Intel?
Hi Hans, I may be misunderstanding, but are you saying it's in the officially released version of PD-extended, and not the nightly builds? (If so, why?) I plopped the darwin [pool] binary Thomas pointed at into my flatspace dirctory (is there a better place?), and so far, so good. Now to figure out Memento and rradical! Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: I can't seem to find [pool] in my latest download of PD-extended (0.40.3-extended-20071204, Intel Mac). I see help files and some docs for it, but no PD object -- is there an OS X i86 version of it in any of the builds, or am I looking in the wrong place? Hi, up-to-date versions of all my externals for Windows and OSX (UB) can be found at http://g.org/ext/beta You could also just copy the binaries out of the Pd-extended release, if you want that specific version. .hc 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] slightly: building audio computer with PD
* Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-01-01 22:18]: Either way could work, the ramdisk is a particularly good idea. Unless the installation is networked, there's not too much need for logfiles in the classic server or multiuser environment sort of sense. You could probably also just disable to logging daemon by removing it from the boot scripts using rc-update (on Gentoo at least, or with another distro-specific equivalent). I imagine that logging would simply just fail quietly if the partition were read-only... I mean, what would log the fact that the logs weren't logging? ;-) Right, that's a nice point in particular! Thanks for the hints! regards, PP best, d. Peter Plessas wrote: * Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-31 18:47]: So I made sure to mount all my drives read-only, and that everything would start from a script on power-up. Having the whole operating system on a Flash card/USB stick (again, no logging, read-only) is also quite How do you do that? Do you mount /var/log as ramdisk which gets erased at reboot, or do you tell every service/daemon not to log? -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 184: Where is the edge? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] slightly: building audio computer with PD
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:57:18 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Plessas) wrote: * Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-31 18:47]: So I made sure to mount all my drives read-only, and that everything would start from a script on power-up. Having the whole operating system on a Flash card/USB stick (again, no logging, read-only) is also quite How do you do that? Do you mount /var/log as ramdisk which gets erased at reboot, or do you tell every service/daemon not to log? Symlink logs to /dev/null or use logrotate to delete them on the hour. Better if you can tell a process not to log though, stop the problem at its source. thanks, PP ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] slightly: building audio computer with PD
Can't use logrotate if the partition is mounted readonly. I can see the point if the idea wasn't to fill up disk space, but my whole idea is to not write to the disk at all. Symlink is also a good idea, though. best, d. Andy Farnell wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:57:18 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Plessas) wrote: * Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-31 18:47]: So I made sure to mount all my drives read-only, and that everything would start from a script on power-up. Having the whole operating system on a Flash card/USB stick (again, no logging, read-only) is also quite How do you do that? Do you mount /var/log as ramdisk which gets erased at reboot, or do you tell every service/daemon not to log? Symlink logs to /dev/null or use logrotate to delete them on the hour. Better if you can tell a process not to log though, stop the problem at its source. thanks, PP ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 65: Emphasize differences ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] /docs/developer/Debian/ update?
On Jan 1, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Oli44 wrote: Hello, on a brand new Etch box I ran the following For Debian/stable, add these: libmagick++6 libmagick++6-dev libdps1 libdps-dev And apt says libmagick++6 has been replaced by libmagick++9c2a (same for libjack0.80.0-0, looks like it has been replaced by libjack0.100.0-0) libdps1 libdps-dev dont appear in the official etch depots, but in the sarge/oldstable). What are they needed for? is it mandatory to add them? That page is a wiki page, so please update it. As for libdps, I think it is needed by PDP or PiDiP. .hc You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pool] binary for Mac Intel?
flext-based things are not built from source as part of Pd-extended. Binaries are only included in the releases. Check the archives about this, there is lots of discussion. .hc On Jan 1, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Phil Stone wrote: Hi Hans, I may be misunderstanding, but are you saying it's in the officially released version of PD-extended, and not the nightly builds? (If so, why?) I plopped the darwin [pool] binary Thomas pointed at into my flatspace dirctory (is there a better place?), and so far, so good. Now to figure out Memento and rradical! Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: I can't seem to find [pool] in my latest download of PD-extended (0.40.3-extended-20071204, Intel Mac). I see help files and some docs for it, but no PD object -- is there an OS X i86 version of it in any of the builds, or am I looking in the wrong place? Hi, up-to-date versions of all my externals for Windows and OSX (UB) can be found at http://g.org/ext/beta You could also just copy the binaries out of the Pd-extended release, if you want that specific version. .hc - --- 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pool] binary for Mac Intel?
It's not as obvious as you might think from the archive. I searched quite a while before I posted my question. One would have to know to search on flext + pd-extended to find the threads you're indicating. Someone looking to use Memento (which requires [pool]), might not know this whole history about incompatible build systems for flext-based objects, and its implications for using [pool]. I'm in no way complaining about PD-extended and all the work that has gone into it, neither am I dissing the wonderful [pool] (or other flext objects) -- I realize there's no simple solution here, either. It's just another obstacle to building objects that non-PD/SVN experts can use, however. For instance, I'd like to upgrade my [polywavesynth]'s state-saving from sssad to Memento (since I'm already OSC-enabled) -- but this will complicate distribution greatly. Thanks again for the pointer to the binaries, Thomas. Getting some of the everybody already knows this knowledge about flext-based objects into PDPedia would be very helpful. Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: flext-based things are not built from source as part of Pd-extended. Binaries are only included in the releases. Check the archives about this, there is lots of discussion. .hc On Jan 1, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Phil Stone wrote: Hi Hans, I may be misunderstanding, but are you saying it's in the officially released version of PD-extended, and not the nightly builds? (If so, why?) I plopped the darwin [pool] binary Thomas pointed at into my flatspace dirctory (is there a better place?), and so far, so good. Now to figure out Memento and rradical! Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: I can't seem to find [pool] in my latest download of PD-extended (0.40.3-extended-20071204, Intel Mac). I see help files and some docs for it, but no PD object -- is there an OS X i86 version of it in any of the builds, or am I looking in the wrong place? Hi, up-to-date versions of all my externals for Windows and OSX (UB) can be found at http://g.org/ext/beta You could also just copy the binaries out of the Pd-extended release, if you want that specific version. .hc 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pool] binary for Mac Intel?
Why do things only sink in after I've pressed 'send'? :-) Hans is saying it ([pool] and other flext stuff) is in the official PD-extended releases, just not in the auto-builds. So it's not so bad for re-distribution after all; one just has to be careful with using the auto builds, because that wipes out the flext binaries. Phil It's not as obvious as you might think from the archive. I searched quite a while before I posted my question. One would have to know to search on flext + pd-extended to find the threads you're indicating. Someone looking to use Memento (which requires [pool]), might not know this whole history about incompatible build systems for flext-based objects, and its implications for using [pool]. I'm in no way complaining about PD-extended and all the work that has gone into it, neither am I dissing the wonderful [pool] (or other flext objects) -- I realize there's no simple solution here, either. It's just another obstacle to building objects that non-PD/SVN experts can use, however. For instance, I'd like to upgrade my [polywavesynth]'s state-saving from sssad to Memento (since I'm already OSC-enabled) -- but this will complicate distribution greatly. Thanks again for the pointer to the binaries, Thomas. Getting some of the everybody already knows this knowledge about flext-based objects into PDPedia would be very helpful. Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: flext-based things are not built from source as part of Pd-extended. Binaries are only included in the releases. Check the archives about this, there is lots of discussion. .hc On Jan 1, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Phil Stone wrote: Hi Hans, I may be misunderstanding, but are you saying it's in the officially released version of PD-extended, and not the nightly builds? (If so, why?) I plopped the darwin [pool] binary Thomas pointed at into my flatspace dirctory (is there a better place?), and so far, so good. Now to figure out Memento and rradical! Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: I can't seem to find [pool] in my latest download of PD-extended (0.40.3-extended-20071204, Intel Mac). I see help files and some docs for it, but no PD object -- is there an OS X i86 version of it in any of the builds, or am I looking in the wrong place? Hi, up-to-date versions of all my externals for Windows and OSX (UB) can be found at http://g.org/ext/beta You could also just copy the binaries out of the Pd-extended release, if you want that specific version. .hc 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd + asterisk?
I tried it again, I had problems again with compiling. app_jack.c didn't find libresample.h, so I copied that file to include/asterisk. Well, there are still the same problems with it, weird noise when jack is running with 48kHz and still no sound from Pd in my phone. Russell Bryant wrote: Chris wrote: Hi, app_jack doesn't compile... [CC] app_jack.c - app_jack.o app_jack.c: In function ‘handle_input’: app_jack.c:221: error: ‘FLT_MAX’ undeclared (first use in this function) app_jack.c:221: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once app_jack.c:221: error: for each function it appears in.) app_jack.c: In function ‘queue_voice_frame’: app_jack.c:411: error: ‘FLT_MAX’ undeclared (first use in this function) make[1]: *** [app_jack.o] Error 1 Fixed ... I broke it when I fixed it for compiling on mac. Oops. :) -- Russell ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Subject: can't see objects Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071230-windowsxp-i386.exe
Right, so that's the same as what I've seen. It seems to me that create polygon doesn't work on the Tk canvas on Windows. That's the main change I made. That's strange. .hc On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Could you post a screenshot? sure, only gui objects are appearing screenshot-pd-extended-nightlybuild-30-12-2007.PNG If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] again, the pdcon in brazil issue
On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:18 AM, PORRES wrote: ok, here is what I got! They are quite personal news so far, but they have some important implications. The news are (And they have been released to the public only Yesterday!!!): I have officially finished my Master`s Degree, and have been aproved at the Doctor`s degree program at USP (State University of Sao Paulo). Congratulations! So, last few months were kinda crazy to me coz I had to move to Sao Paulo, Finish writting my Master`s dissertatin, and apply and pass the exams for the doctorate, including learning a second foreign language. This means that in the meantime I could only spread the idea in the word of mouth fashion, and tried to gather some people on a mailing list. The list is rather shy up tp this moment. So the thing I need to do is spend more time (now that I am kinda free) gathering the people and the comunities. So, I have settled down in Sao Paulo and I can check things for an event here! I am at the State University of Sao Paulo (USP), which is an Institution that can gladly support this kind of event. Oh, even more interesting, I am part now of a research group at USP that is focused on computer music and interacton. We are preparing a project for fundings to this group just now. If all goes well, this doesn`t necessarily mean we will have tons of cash for an event like the pdcon, but it is a start. Nevertheless, the people in this research group is interested in working with pd and all :) There are a number of foundations that could be interested in sponsoring this. I think Rockefeller and Langlois both have an interest in technology and latin america. That stuff can take a long time, so it would be good to start the contact now. Perhaps some of the pdmtl/pdcon-mtl people have more info and contacts. So Again, I have finally settled down and will start gathering people... the idea is to promote some local events, and come up, from this events, with a comitee to organize events nationally, latin americally, and worls widely. So the next PdCon can happen some time in 2009. Now, what are you giy`s expectation, ideas, etc, etc etc? It would be great to have something like the Montreal PdCon, where there is a mix of art groups, community groups, and academia. I think this mix would be more likely to get grants than just an academic conference. The Montreal crew put together a really nice, big event, but the first was small and good too. One thing that is going to be quite important is getting travel assistance for lots of people, so that we can bring people who can't afford to pay it on their own, or don't have a university or company that is willing to pay. .hc Cheers Alexandre Torres Porres Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like good news, keep us posted! Do you have any ideas for when you would have this event? .hc On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:40 AM, PORRES wrote: So guys, I will get back to you after the 18th, when we`ll have a meeting here, then I will have some stuff to say... I am about to move to Sao Paulo and maybe get into the doctorate at the State University of sao Paulo, which is interested in sediating and supporting the event. Any great questions or some expectations so far? cheers Alexandre Torres Porres [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- -- Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pool] binary for Mac Intel?
This stuff definitely should be in pdpedia. I encourage everyone to contribute to pdpedia, you don't even have to log in to edit the pages. Plus it would really help if we heard from people outside of the usual suspects in things like the pdpedia. ;) More perspectives means a richer community. :) .hc On Jan 1, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Phil Stone wrote: It's not as obvious as you might think from the archive. I searched quite a while before I posted my question. One would have to know to search on flext + pd-extended to find the threads you're indicating. Someone looking to use Memento (which requires [pool]), might not know this whole history about incompatible build systems for flext-based objects, and its implications for using [pool]. I'm in no way complaining about PD-extended and all the work that has gone into it, neither am I dissing the wonderful [pool] (or other flext objects) -- I realize there's no simple solution here, either. It's just another obstacle to building objects that non-PD/ SVN experts can use, however. For instance, I'd like to upgrade my [polywavesynth]'s state-saving from sssad to Memento (since I'm already OSC-enabled) -- but this will complicate distribution greatly. Thanks again for the pointer to the binaries, Thomas. Getting some of the everybody already knows this knowledge about flext-based objects into PDPedia would be very helpful. Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: flext-based things are not built from source as part of Pd- extended. Binaries are only included in the releases. Check the archives about this, there is lots of discussion. .hc On Jan 1, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Phil Stone wrote: Hi Hans, I may be misunderstanding, but are you saying it's in the officially released version of PD-extended, and not the nightly builds? (If so, why?) I plopped the darwin [pool] binary Thomas pointed at into my flatspace dirctory (is there a better place?), and so far, so good. Now to figure out Memento and rradical! Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: I can't seem to find [pool] in my latest download of PD-extended (0.40.3-extended-20071204, Intel Mac). I see help files and some docs for it, but no PD object -- is there an OS X i86 version of it in any of the builds, or am I looking in the wrong place? Hi, up-to-date versions of all my externals for Windows and OSX (UB) can be found at http://g.org/ext/beta You could also just copy the binaries out of the Pd-extended release, if you want that specific version. .hc --- - 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf - --- I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Subject: can't see objects Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071230-windowsxp-i386.exe
Looking into invisibility... Here's an example output line when I run pd with -d 1 to log the gui messages using miller's 0.41-0test10 on WinXP: .x90a4b8 configure -cursor right_ptr and on a recent autobuild (0.40.3-extended-20071206): .xa581d0 configure -cursor $cursor_runmode_nothing I added print statements to the autobuild pd.tk such as puts stdout cursor_runmode_nothing $cursor_runmode_nothing to get this output: cursor_runmode_nothing rigth_ptr box_outline #ccc ...and after loading a simple patch with just a [+] object in it: (tcl is returning the can't read lines): can't read box_outline: no such variable can't read msg_nlet: no such variable can't read msg_nlet: no such variable can't read msg_nlet: no such variable can't read text_color: no such variable can't read cursor_runmode_nothing: no such variable The unreadable variables are all set in pd.tk but for some reason they are all replaced by the name of the variable prefixed with a dollar sign. The spelling of right_ptr doesn't affect the output either, right_ptr is the string at cursorlist[0] in g_editor.c. canvas_setcursor calls sys_vgui with that string as the third parameter: sys_vgui(.x%lx configure -cursor %s\n, x, cursorlist[cursornum]); The strings are printed out in sys_vgui: if (sys_debuglevel DEBUG_MESSUP) fprintf(stderr, %s, sys_guibuf + sys_guibufhead); ...so it looks like something changed in canvas_setcursor that replaced right_ptr with $cursor_runmode_nothing and tcl can't find it although cursor_runmode_nothing was initialized in pd.tk. Should it be declared global somewhere? Except for pd.tk (those tcl variables aren't declared in non-autobuild pd.tk), the code I'm looking at is the current pd in cvs, where's the autobuild pd source? Martin Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Right, so that's the same as what I've seen. It seems to me that create polygon doesn't work on the Tk canvas on Windows. That's the main change I made. That's strange. .hc On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Could you post a screenshot? sure, only gui objects are appearing screenshot-pd-extended-nightlybuild-30-12-2007.PNG If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Subject: can't see objects Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071230-windowsxp-i386.exe
Strange, thanks for the reports. I looked a bit today, no luck yet. I'll be working on this over the next few days. .hc On Dec 30, 2007, at 11:27 PM, Ingo Scherzinger wrote: Here is something interesting: when I take a patch (like bang~-help-pd in this case) there is nothing visible when I first open it (screenshot bang~-help1.jpg). After selecting everything then cutting and pasting everything back the wire connections appear all the sudden (screenshot bang~-help2.jpg). http://www.miamiwave.com/pd-0.40.3-extended-problem/ Ingo Eversince 0.40.3- extended certain objects are invisible on my two machines (AMD Windows XP SP2). Object, Message, Number, Symbol Comment, Graph cannot be seen on loading existing patches or after inserting them from the put menue. Array can be put. Values and titel can be seen but no border. All other objects can be put, seen and their values can be changed correctly. I know the objects are there because they appear in text mode. They also react to the gui since somtimes when I click on certain spots it is printing something. I can also move the invisible object somwhere else and now when I click there it is printing the same thing. Could you post a screenshot? That sounds different from what I am seeing. It might give a clue. I am limited access to Windows machines, and I haven't been able to figure out why this is broken on Windows yet works fine on Mac OS X and GNU/Linux. .hc - --- [W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.-John Gilmore ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Subject: can't see objects Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071230-windowsxp-i386.exe
Martin Peach wrote: Except for pd.tk (those tcl variables aren't declared in non-autobuild pd.tk), the code I'm looking at is the current pd in cvs, where's the autobuild pd source? Oops it's this patch in packages/patches: set_cursors_in_tcl-0.41-test06.patch Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pool] binary for Mac Intel?
OK, I updated the [pool] entry in pdpedia a little, to reflect that it's a flext-based object, distributed w/ PD-extended (releases only), and pointed to Thomas' website. Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This stuff definitely should be in pdpedia. I encourage everyone to contribute to pdpedia, you don't even have to log in to edit the pages. Plus it would really help if we heard from people outside of the usual suspects in things like the pdpedia. ;) More perspectives means a richer community. :) .hc On Jan 1, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Phil Stone wrote: It's not as obvious as you might think from the archive. I searched quite a while before I posted my question. One would have to know to search on flext + pd-extended to find the threads you're indicating. Someone looking to use Memento (which requires [pool]), might not know this whole history about incompatible build systems for flext-based objects, and its implications for using [pool]. I'm in no way complaining about PD-extended and all the work that has gone into it, neither am I dissing the wonderful [pool] (or other flext objects) -- I realize there's no simple solution here, either. It's just another obstacle to building objects that non-PD/SVN experts can use, however. For instance, I'd like to upgrade my [polywavesynth]'s state-saving from sssad to Memento (since I'm already OSC-enabled) -- but this will complicate distribution greatly. Thanks again for the pointer to the binaries, Thomas. Getting some of the everybody already knows this knowledge about flext-based objects into PDPedia would be very helpful. Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: flext-based things are not built from source as part of Pd-extended. Binaries are only included in the releases. Check the archives about this, there is lots of discussion. .hc On Jan 1, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Phil Stone wrote: Hi Hans, I may be misunderstanding, but are you saying it's in the officially released version of PD-extended, and not the nightly builds? (If so, why?) I plopped the darwin [pool] binary Thomas pointed at into my flatspace dirctory (is there a better place?), and so far, so good. Now to figure out Memento and rradical! Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: I can't seem to find [pool] in my latest download of PD-extended (0.40.3-extended-20071204, Intel Mac). I see help files and some docs for it, but no PD object -- is there an OS X i86 version of it in any of the builds, or am I looking in the wrong place? Hi, up-to-date versions of all my externals for Windows and OSX (UB) can be found at http://g.org/ext/beta You could also just copy the binaries out of the Pd-extended release, if you want that specific version. .hc 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
