[PD] building a reactable
just so everyone knows why I am trying to get all this working. I have most of it working in windows, i have also written a Java server to Pd for full OCS level resolution, willing to share. I am really hoping I can get this working in linux instead. I am going to post a blog on this, I will make sure everyone here finds out more as it proceeds. THANKS to everyone for helping me! -- --- i am an agent implanted into your unconscious when you abducted by the travelers. look for signs of me in your life. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] text based pd patching
that is very cool. i see a text based patch database via php in the works! agent_engram On Jan 7, 2008 6:05 AM, alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi pders Here's a way of PD patching in plaintext: ** | ..\ .-x. | osc~ 5 | * | osc~ 500 | `-x--' | `-x'|| | .-x--. | | | *~ 300 | | | `-x--' | *---* || | ** .-x--. | *~ 0.2 | `-x--' | * |\ | * | | .-x-x--. | dac~ | `--' http://doc.gold.ac.uk/~ma503am/alex/textual-patching/http://doc.gold.ac.uk/%7Ema503am/alex/textual-patching/ You can define pd objects and connect them together with ASCII syntax. Layout is preserved as well. Much like in ghostbusters, you can't cross the lines, and there isn't syntax for different box types (messages and numbers). Fixing this would be short work, but I ran out of train journey :) There is a particular syntax for drawing the lines. You use - for going left and right, | for going up and down and \ and / for going diagonally. To change direction or fork a wire you have to place a * . Mark inlets and outlets with x . alex ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- --- i am an agent implanted into your unconscious when you abducted by the travelers. look for signs of me in your life. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gem: can't load library
hi again Agent Engram wrote: well I thought I did have one, its called gcc. http://directory.fsf.org/project/gpp/ g++ is the traditional nickname of GNU C++, a freely redistributable C++ compiler. It is part of gcc, the GNU compiler suite, and is currently part of that distribution. hmm, gcc != gpp c++ != cpp ... gcc stands for the gnu compiler collection and the gnu C compiler. the former contains the latter (and probably a bunch of others, like a c++ compiler); however, the former is usually not a single program but a collection of programs. anyhow. what i _did_ suggest was: google edora g++ the 1st hit i get is Fedora: g++ install problem, the 2nd one is g++ missing! - Linux Forums, the 3rd one is Please help me to install g++ compiler on Fedora 6 - Linux Forums. ALL of these results tell me one thing: you have to install the package gcc-g++ to get a c++ compiler. that is: # yum install gcc-c++ [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm -q gcc gcc-4.1.1-51.fc5 what you do need is a c++-compiler. wierd I thought all I would need is gcc, which i thought *was* the GNU cpp compiler, so are you saying it isnt? I do have gcc, but configure doesnt look for gcc...only a bunch of c++ compilers that I am not very familiar with like RCC and FCC, why wouldnt it look for gcc? is there something i need besides plain gcc? [EMAIL PROTECTED] yum search g++ there might be a problem with g++ being interpreted not literally but as a (broken) regular expression. so yum does not find it. this is either because yum is buggy, or your use of yum search is illegal. mfg.adsr IOhannes PS: probably there are reasons why people stick to debian rather than fedora :-) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Server
well you can use the pd objects, netsend and netrecieve i think they even have a simple chat server using netserver implementation in there. I have written a Java server that works in conjunction with the netclient object. the reason i am doing that is because i can write a multithreaded server. basically you need to know a little bit about sockets to make it work. agent_engram On Jan 7, 2008 2:19 PM, Ricardo Brazileiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi people.. I have one question... how i can make a PD Server using Linux? I would like start projects for interactive installations and start others ideas using PD. grettings -- Ricardo Brazileiro Linux User: #452427 http://rbrazileiro.wordpress.com http://estudiolivre.org ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- --- i am an agent implanted into your unconscious when you abducted by the travelers. look for signs of me in your life. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gem: can't load library
wow, thats really bad news considering I cant figure out how to get the Pd distro to work on fedora. i guess I am going to have to go to windows, getting Gem and pd to work took about 5 minutes, so far I have spent two days (~12 hrs) trying to get it to run on fedora. oh well I really wanted to get this working on linux. I know some of you say its easy but I have been using linux for 6 years admittedly not as an expert, but I am a no dummy either, and pd is still not fully working. I know my case was wrong on pd -lib gem but I changed the case to pd -lib Gem and it still fails. Sorry to vent I am just so frustrated, and next I face trying to get a webcam to work when the phillips driver is gone. you see I am trying to build a reactable. I have most of it working in windows but it really *should* be a linux device. I REALLY appreciate everyones help so far. Clay On Jan 7, 2008 6:05 AM, Patrice Colet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agent Engram a écrit : i am on fedora I could never build Gem on Fedora, anyone have done it? -- --- i am an agent implanted into your unconscious when you abducted by the travelers. look for signs of me in your life. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] text based pd patching
alex wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 19:35 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: [bang( x |[r stop] |x || xx [until] x | x [; stop bang( Yep that would be quick to adapt to. To save me doing more reverse engineering are there some docs for the (tcl?) .pd file? the format is plain pd messages. there is no official documentation, but some inofficial ones; here is one: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/fileformat/ fmasdr. IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
Search for bass shaker or bass driver. Aura is one of the main brand names for these. These are bass transducers designed for home theaters and car audio systems. The idea is to put them in the seat and the bass literally kicks you in the ass. I used them to resonate a huge structure of construction scaffolding once. They are usually approx EUR 25. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactile_transducer Difference between these and solenoids is that you drive these directly with audio, meaning you need a multichannel soundcard to drive several. Solenoids get driven by DC voltage via a transistor (which in Roman's case is driven by a microconotroller/Arduino), so the cost per channel is much lower. best, d. PSPunch wrote: Hi all, I would first like to apologize that this is totally unrelated to Pd. However I figured that this list is the most likely place to find an answer among the communities I subscribe to. Years ago I used some driver units to playback super low frequencies, down from the inaudible up to probably 100Hz at most. It was more like a chunk of steel designed to mount on any surface expecting it to resonate. These units were also very inexpensive and ran for 10s or 20s of US dollars I think. Today when I search for driver units of such kinds, all I can find are ones which look more like speaker cones and not exactly what I recall. Does anyone know of where to look, or keywords pointing to such products? and hopefully places I can purchase them online? BTW, of course the goal is to drive some of these using PD, inspired by Roman's work using solenoids :) -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 190: You can only make one dot at a time ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
i can't help you either, but i once saw photos of a system that could play the infamous 'brown note' of 7 hz . it was massive, and the guy had dug trenches in his basement to do it. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
Hallo, PSPunch hat gesagt: // PSPunch wrote: I would first like to apologize that this is totally unrelated to Pd. However I figured that this list is the most likely place to find an answer among the communities I subscribe to. There also is the pd-ot list, where you can reach many of the pd-list subscribers in off-topic questions. Sorry, can't help with your question. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gem: can't load library
Hallo, Agent Engram hat gesagt: // Agent Engram wrote: i guess I am going to have to go to windows, getting Gem and pd to work took about 5 minutes, so far I have spent two days (~12 hrs) trying to get it to run on fedora. It seems that it first took you 12h to get a c++ compiler running. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
They might have been electrostatic blocks? Basically a big piezo crystal that expands, as used in some camera focus controls. You need a well regulated high voltage to operate them though. I've never seen anything like that as a bass driver. For ideas to experiment you could check out servo operated bass drivers and the acoustic wave cannon design. http://www.servodrive.com/basstech7.html http://cardhouse.com/x09/wave.htm On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:55:50 +0900 PSPunch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I would first like to apologize that this is totally unrelated to Pd. However I figured that this list is the most likely place to find an answer among the communities I subscribe to. Years ago I used some driver units to playback super low frequencies, down from the inaudible up to probably 100Hz at most. It was more like a chunk of steel designed to mount on any surface expecting it to resonate. These units were also very inexpensive and ran for 10s or 20s of US dollars I think. Today when I search for driver units of such kinds, all I can find are ones which look more like speaker cones and not exactly what I recall. Does anyone know of where to look, or keywords pointing to such products? and hopefully places I can purchase them online? BTW, of course the goal is to drive some of these using PD, inspired by Roman's work using solenoids :) -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
Hey Andy, bit more than ten bucks a pop, those ;-) d. Andy Farnell wrote: For ideas to experiment you could check out servo operated bass drivers and the acoustic wave cannon design. http://www.servodrive.com/basstech7.html http://cardhouse.com/x09/wave.htm -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 29: Change nothing and continue with immaculate consistency ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gem: can't load library
On 1/8/08, Agent Engram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well I thought I did have one, its called gcc. http://directory.fsf.org/project/gpp/ g++ is the traditional nickname of GNU C++, a freely redistributable C++ compiler. It is part of gcc, the GNU compiler suite, and is currently part of that distribution. [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm -q gcc gcc-4.1.1-51.fc5 Most distributions package g++ separately from gcc. I don't use fedora, but I think they cann the package gcc-g++. # yum install gcc-g++ -- Russell ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:19:26 +0100 Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Andy, bit more than ten bucks a pop, those ;-) Er.. yup! :) Interesting operational principles though... I wonder what else would give you high power low frequency control, maybe pnneumatics ... d. Andy Farnell wrote: For ideas to experiment you could check out servo operated bass drivers and the acoustic wave cannon design. http://www.servodrive.com/basstech7.html http://cardhouse.com/x09/wave.htm -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 29: Change nothing and continue with immaculate consistency -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 10:55 +0900, PSPunch wrote: Years ago I used some driver units to playback super low frequencies, down from the inaudible up to probably 100Hz at most. It was more like a chunk of steel designed to mount on any surface expecting it to resonate. These units were also very inexpensive and ran for 10s or 20s of US dollars I think. are you talking about transducers? speakers that are designed to be mounted on something in order to shake that something? something like this? http://www.visaton.com/en/car_hifi/koerperschall/828.html roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Server
i made a couple of tutorial once. probably way out of date though.buy might help you get started: http://megrimm.net/entry/41/howto_run_pd_patches_from_ubun/bits#body http://megrimm.net/entry/44/howto_run_a_puredata_pd_patch_/bits#body --- Agent Engram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well you can use the pd objects, netsend and netrecieve i think they even have a simple chat server using netserver implementation in there. I have written a Java server that works in conjunction with the netclient object. the reason i am doing that is because i can write a multithreaded server. basically you need to know a little bit about sockets to make it work. agent_engram On Jan 7, 2008 2:19 PM, Ricardo Brazileiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi people.. I have one question... how i can make a PD Server using Linux? I would like start projects for interactive installations and start others ideas using PD. grettings -- Ricardo Brazileiro Linux User: #452427 http://rbrazileiro.wordpress.com http://estudiolivre.org ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- --- i am an agent implanted into your unconscious when you abducted by the travelers. look for signs of me in your life. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list mark edward grimm | m.f.a | ed.m syracuse u. | art foundations | new media consultant megrimm.net | socialmediagroup.org .com [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 585.509.8703 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
dear bass-fetishists, There are some available from pollin.de that we used, order number 630 104 costing 5 euros per piece. not the best in the world, but quite okay.. tim On 08/01/2008, at 1:44 PM, hard off wrote: i can't help you either, but i once saw photos of a system that could play the infamous 'brown note' of 7 hz . it was massive, and the guy had dug trenches in his basement to do it. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] maxlib help files makefile cvs
seems the make file for maxlib in cvs is looking for help/help-*.pd instead of help/*-help.pd cp: cannot stat `help/help-*.pd': No such file or directory localhost:/home/robc/pd/externals/maxlib/help# ls allow-help.pd etc. rob c ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
I would love to get my hands on one of these: http://www.eminent-tech.com/randd2.html Thigpen rotary vane loudspeakers are like a sub-subwoofer, because they have a low-pass characteristic rather than band-pass. It's the only loudspeaker that goes all the way down to 0 Hz. Chuck ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Bass driver unit
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:02:22 -0600 Charles Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the only loudspeaker that goes all the way down to 0 Hz. Yeah... but this one goes down to -1 ;) -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gem: can't load library
# yum install gcc-c++ this did it...YEE I also installed mesa-GLU-devel ehich was missing... ALMOST THERE! THANKS ALL...but I am still getting a load error in pd... /home/cgraham/installs/Pd-0.39.3-extended/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: /home/cgraham/installs/Pd-0.39.3-extended/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: glUniform2i Gem: can't load library so I read this KNOWN ISSUES = -fPIC: on some architectures (namely x86_64) Gem MUST link against the PIC-versions of certain libraries (ffmpeg, ftgl); on other architectures i think it doesn't hurt to do so either (to be precise: it might hurt, since PIC-code is usually a bit slower) unfortunately Gem's configure uses pkg-config which does not provide a mechanism (yet?) for getting the PIC-versions of libraries if needed. however, you can always export PKG_libname_LIBS before running configure to override the detected values something like the following should do the trick: %export PKG_FFMPEG_LIBS=`ffmpeg-config --plugin-libs avformat` %export PKG_FTGL_LIBS=`pkg-config --libs ftgl | sed 's/-lftgl/-lftgl_pic/g'` %./configure so I am running an AMD64 should I be concerned with this issue? On Jan 8, 2008 12:17 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi again Agent Engram wrote: well I thought I did have one, its called gcc. http://directory.fsf.org/project/gpp/ g++ is the traditional nickname of GNU C++, a freely redistributable C++ compiler. It is part of gcc, the GNU compiler suite, and is currently part of that distribution. hmm, gcc != gpp c++ != cpp ... gcc stands for the gnu compiler collection and the gnu C compiler. the former contains the latter (and probably a bunch of others, like a c++ compiler); however, the former is usually not a single program but a collection of programs. anyhow. what i _did_ suggest was: google edora g++ the 1st hit i get is Fedora: g++ install problem, the 2nd one is g++ missing! - Linux Forums, the 3rd one is Please help me to install g++ compiler on Fedora 6 - Linux Forums. ALL of these results tell me one thing: you have to install the package gcc-g++ to get a c++ compiler. that is: # yum install gcc-c++ [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm -q gcc gcc-4.1.1-51.fc5 what you do need is a c++-compiler. wierd I thought all I would need is gcc, which i thought *was* the GNU cpp compiler, so are you saying it isnt? I do have gcc, but configure doesnt look for gcc...only a bunch of c++ compilers that I am not very familiar with like RCC and FCC, why wouldnt it look for gcc? is there something i need besides plain gcc? [EMAIL PROTECTED] yum search g++ there might be a problem with g++ being interpreted not literally but as a (broken) regular expression. so yum does not find it. this is either because yum is buggy, or your use of yum search is illegal. mfg.adsr IOhannes PS: probably there are reasons why people stick to debian rather than fedora :-) -- --- i am an agent implanted into your unconscious when you abducted by the travelers. look for signs of me in your life. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Server
so this thread is kindof a good place to ask a question. I have a working pd client but I am tring to parse out results from my object server, needed to manage the OCS data coming from my TUIO server. here is my client patch http://www.newobjectivity.com/downloads/pd/tuio_netclient2.gif it seems the data is coming from the server ok... connecting to port client1: 6.2204e+008 client1: -4.89024e+008 client1: 4.04002e+008 client1: 2.1349e+009 client1: 5.86242e+008 client1: -1.48487e+009 client1: -5.38399e+008 client1: 1.61029e+009 client1: 3.0085e+008 client1: 7.2771e+008 its just that the number value doesnt get translated, right now it toggles between + and - ultimately I will want to parse a longer line that looks something like id=34;x=200;y=104;rot=359 into its component parts. can someone point me at a tutorial that could show me how to get real data out of this client? agent_engram On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 AM, mark edward grimm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i made a couple of tutorial once. probably way out of date though.buy might help you get started: http://megrimm.net/entry/41/howto_run_pd_patches_from_ubun/bits#body http://megrimm.net/entry/44/howto_run_a_puredata_pd_patch_/bits#body --- Agent Engram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well you can use the pd objects, netsend and netrecieve i think they even have a simple chat server using netserver implementation in there. I have written a Java server that works in conjunction with the netclient object. the reason i am doing that is because i can write a multithreaded server. basically you need to know a little bit about sockets to make it work. agent_engram On Jan 7, 2008 2:19 PM, Ricardo Brazileiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi people.. I have one question... how i can make a PD Server using Linux? I would like start projects for interactive installations and start others ideas using PD. grettings -- Ricardo Brazileiro Linux User: #452427 http://rbrazileiro.wordpress.com http://estudiolivre.org ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- --- i am an agent implanted into your unconscious when you abducted by the travelers. look for signs of me in your life. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list mark edward grimm | m.f.a | ed.m syracuse u. | art foundations | new media consultant megrimm.net | socialmediagroup.org .com [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 585.509.8703 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- --- i am an agent implanted into your unconscious when you abducted by the travelers. look for signs of me in your life. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
