Re: [PD] live coding, [was: Re: paranoid pd]

2008-01-27 Thread hard off
i just had a try at it,

wouldn't say it sounded particularly amazing, but i managed to build
enough up in a few minutes to make it kind of interesting.  will try
again later and see if practice makes things better.

best idea i came up with in the first run:

[key]
|
[t b]
|
[random 10]
|
[sel 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9]


that way, while i was coding, sounds were being changed and triggered
by keystrokes.



personally i think if you're going to do live coding, you should do it
from scratch without using abstractions.

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Re: [PD] live coding, [was: Re: paranoid pd]

2008-01-27 Thread hard off
i'm doing a talk in delhi next month on pure data for live
performance, so i will definitely incorporate some live coding in
there,

any tips and tricks people have found useful would be much appreciated.

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Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-27 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

 however, i would say that the 3rd digit is more or less useless (only 
 there for convenience) because you can get the same behaviour with 
 scheduled messages.
 e.g.
 [0, 1 1000 500(
 |
 [vline~]
 
 is the same as
 
 [t b b]
 | |
 [0(   [del 500]
 | |
 | [1 1000(
 +-+
 |
 [vline~]

Note that the former version is *muchmuch* more convenient, especially
when building line segments dynamically.

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__

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[PD] startup flags problem

2008-01-27 Thread Ypatios Grigoriadis
Hello!


I foolishly made the following mistake:

File/Startup.../flags..

-path blah blah

and I get this on startup since:

error: blah: can't open


The thing is, the File/Startup... link is dead! It just does nothing, no
startup... window! So I can't correct it...

(all this under WinXP)


So I guess the question is..how can I otherwise edit the startup flags?




alabala

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Re: [PD] startup flags problem

2008-01-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Ypatios Grigoriadis wrote:

 (all this under WinXP)

(time for a reinstall)

 
 
 So I guess the question is..how can I otherwise edit the startup flags?

regedit


fgmasd.r
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote:

 Note that the former version is *muchmuch* more convenient, especially
 when building line segments dynamically.

totally!
i just wanted to demonstrate that there is indeed no mandatory reason to 
have the 3rd value - but not because of the shortcuts kyle mentioned 
(which seem to do more harm than good)

fgmadsr.
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] startup flags problem

2008-01-27 Thread Ypatios Grigoriadis
On 27/01/2008, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ypatios Grigoriadis wrote:

  (all this under WinXP)

 (time for a reinstall)


mpouhaha! I was veeery close... :-)


 
  So I guess the question is..how can I otherwise edit the startup flags?

 regedit


thanx! I did it with regAlyzer.. it's prettier than regedit.. :P


cu!

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[PD] callbacks

2008-01-27 Thread Ypatios Grigoriadis
Hello!

What exactly is this option in the audio settings window (0.41)?

[tick box] use callbacks

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Re: [PD] paranoid pd

2008-01-27 Thread Georg Holzmann
marius schebella schrieb:
 let me ask the other way? why has pd to behave different than every 
 other program on my computer?

Yes, I also don't understand this ...
Although there might be a workaround, newbies (and even me as not so new 
newbie) don't know this and are only irritated.

LG
Georg

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Re: [PD] live coding, [was: Re: paranoid pd]

2008-01-27 Thread Patrice Colet
hard off a écrit :
 i'm doing a talk in delhi next month on pure data for live
 performance, so i will definitely incorporate some live coding in
 there,
 
 any tips and tricks people have found useful would be much appreciated.

you could record into a buffer what is thrown to dac~ and rediffuse it 
randomly or following the rule you find at the moment you do it.



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Re: [PD] live coding, [was: Re: paranoid pd]

2008-01-27 Thread Patrice Colet
hard off a écrit :
 i just had a try at it,
 
 wouldn't say it sounded particularly amazing, but i managed to build
 enough up in a few minutes to make it kind of interesting.  will try
 again later and see if practice makes things better.
 
 best idea i came up with in the first run:
 
 [key]
 |
 [t b]
 |
 [random 10]
 |
 [sel 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9]
 
 
 that way, while i was coding, sounds were being changed and triggered
 by keystrokes.
 
 
 
 personally i think if you're going to do live coding, you should do it
 from scratch without using abstractions.
  Hello,

using abstraction would be cheating, :p.
  It would be bummer to not use useful list-abs, or some RTC, and 
obviously, the doc files, where the consultation almost always turns to 
livecoding.




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Re: [PD] Problems installing pd-extended

2008-01-27 Thread Tim
You can also get the packages from the debian repos at
http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages though I have not tried
installing them in Ubuntu. I just ignored those dependencies.

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[PD] Routing Oepen GL streams through Gem

2008-01-27 Thread jim
Is there a way to have video created in real time by other programs that
use OpenGL routed through Gem so those windows can be processed by Gem?
I'm thinking of Windows but would also love to do this under Linux.
Thanks,
Jim


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[PD] [ANN] Lily, browser based visual programming language released

2008-01-27 Thread Bill Orcutt
Hi All-

I'm happy to announce that the first beta release of Lily, an browser  
based visual programming environment for Firefox/Mozilla, is now  
available for download. Lily is a patcher interface to the  
functionality of Mozilla platform: svg graphics, html/xul UI,  
networking, file system access, xml parsing/transformation  sqlite  
data storage. It's OSC enabled, is capable of interfacing with the  
Arduino I/O board and has a processing compatible graphics api. It's  
written in Javascript.

Have a look at the music/graphics examples below to get a feel for  
some of what it can do:

http://www.vimeo.com/625294
http://www.vimeo.com/625739
http://www.vimeo.com/625400
http://www.vimeo.com/625460

More information about Lily is available on the website: http://www.lilyapp.org/

thanks

-Bill

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Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-27 Thread bsoisoi
I agree as well, prefer the existing vline message syntax.  (I hope we  
haven't started a movement against the third value!)  Now that I get  
it, it is much more intuitive than emulating an old 2 value breakpoint  
envelope.

Has anyone made a vline-like external that only takes the first two  
values?

Cheers,
~Brandon

On Jan 27, 2008, at 7:08 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

 Frank Barknecht wrote:

 Note that the former version is *muchmuch* more convenient,  
 especially
 when building line segments dynamically.

 totally!
 i just wanted to demonstrate that there is indeed no mandatory  
 reason to
 have the 3rd value - but not because of the shortcuts kyle mentioned
 (which seem to do more harm than good)

 fgmadsr.
 IOhannes

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[PD] realtime linux + puredata

2008-01-27 Thread bsoisoi
Hi guys,

I don't normally keep up with linux kernel development, but apparently  
realtime support should have been fully built into  2.6.22 and up.   
I'm currently not (yet) a Linux user, so I can't check this for myself.

I am curious if the Linux users on this board have found 2.6.22+ to  
suite their realtime needs, or are you guys are still patching your  
kernels for realtime support?

If so, what do the realtime patches or modified kernels (in ubuntu  
studio, for example) provide that the stock kernel does not?

Thanks again,
~Brandon

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Re: [PD] live coding, [was: Re: paranoid pd]

2008-01-27 Thread Peter Plessas
Hi Tim,

 I havent seen many examples yet around here though.
 Are many people doing this with pd ?

The pd-graz group has done a variant of live-coding in its 'blind date'
performances. There we take a teamwork approach, letting multiple
players edit the same patch at the same time on stage during
performance. In the past this was done using multiple mice and keyboards
connected to one machine, but we switched to IOhannes' 'multipd' which
uses a special proxy written in pd itself which interconnects itself
between the gui and dsp part of pd and contributes all events (mouse
clicks, object creation) amonst various clients.
For the live coding itself, we decide not to use too many abstractions,
since we require our patches to be readable by all players, and to make
the coding reproduceable to the audience. We definitely start from zero,
so the beginning of each concert is, well, silence.

The past performances of pd-graz were at Musikprotokoll Graz, Roxy/NoD
Praha, PdConvention2 Montreal.

See: 
http://pd-graz.mur.at/concerts/blinddate/praha/praha_pics
http://umlaeute.mur.at/Members/zmoelnig/dissertation/papers/pd2007/patchingtogether_slides.pdf

glg, PP

 Is there an audience for it, or is it just pd-geeks who enjoy it? (not
 that th?t's not an audience ofcourse :) )
 Do you start from zero, or do you open an existing patch and start
 modifying that ?
 do you restrict yourself to 'basic' objects, or do you use alot of
 abstractions (so the audience doesn't really see things being built-up
 from zero)?
 
 Tim
 

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Re: [PD] paranoid pd

2008-01-27 Thread zmoelnig
Quoting marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 let me ask the other way? why has pd to behave different than every
 other program on my computer?

because if it was the same as any other program, one of them would be  
redundant :-)



mfgasdr.
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