Re: [PD] Alternate object

2008-06-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Max Neupert wrote:
 hi james,
 
 it's part of markex says the help file. If i remember right there is  
 also one in Gem.

markEx used to be part of Gem but has been ripped out of it.
so that's why the object appears to be part of both libs, while it 
really is not.


 But you can also really easy make an alternate yourself.

i second that.

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Re: [PD] inlet and inlet~

2008-06-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Matt Barber wrote:
 Hello,
 
 soon as it received a zero-valued float or [sig~].  The feature I
 propose would be to allow a float argument to [inlet~] as the default
 signal to be passed and which is remembered as signals are connected
 and disconnected to the abstraction from the parent, only until the
 value stored is changed by a float message.  Of course I'm interested
 in other currently implementable solutions...

you seem to not be aware that [inlet~] already takes arguments, which 
makes your proposal a bit more awkward to implement.
(nonetheless i like the basic idea; as you are already adding outlets to 
[inlet~] once could imagine a third inlet that would tell you the 
connection state...)


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Re: [PD] (trigger-prepend) connection failed (was: can't open midi port in -nogui)

2008-06-12 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Max Neupert hat gesagt: // Max Neupert wrote:

 ok, the cause for the message
 
  could not open midi output 1 (MidiPipe Eingang 1): PortMidi: `Bad
  pointer'
 
 was inside the patch:
 
 [loadbang]
 |
 [;
 pd midi-dialog 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 2(
 
 after i removed that the error was gone.
 
 but i have a new one:
 logik 25 1 16 1 (trigger-prepend) connection failed
 
 this only apperars when i load pd in nogui.

Strange. Normally missing objects like your prepend are missing
regardless of gui or nongui mode. Does it also happen if you use a
prepend built from [list prepend ...]---[list trim] instead?

[prepend] is an object that should be avoided anyway because there are
various incompatible version of it available.

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Re: [PD] (trigger-prepend) connection failed

2008-06-12 Thread Max Neupert

i get the message saying that (trigger-prepend) connection failed
when i run my patch in -nogui.

i am trying to guess what is happening.
i have a theory:

in the helpfile of prepend i read that the version in max doesn't  
have a second inlet.
so is it possible, that a cyclone version of prepend is loaded when i  
run in -nogui?
on the other hand [cyclone/prepend] has two inlets as well, so it  
might be something else.


comments would be appreciated.




Am 2008-06-12 um 15:54 schrieb Max Neupert:


logik 25 1 16 1 (trigger-prepend) connection failed

this only apperars when i load pd in nogui.


PGP.sig
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Re: [PD] (trigger-prepend) connection failed

2008-06-12 Thread Max Neupert
aah, great.

after replacing [prepend] with [list prepend] it works.

thank you frank!

max



Am 2008-06-12 um 17:02 schrieb Frank Barknecht:

 Hallo,
 Max Neupert hat gesagt: // Max Neupert wrote:

 ok, the cause for the message

 could not open midi output 1 (MidiPipe Eingang 1): PortMidi: `Bad
 pointer'

 was inside the patch:

 [loadbang]
 |
 [;
 pd midi-dialog 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 2(

 after i removed that the error was gone.

 but i have a new one:
 logik 25 1 16 1 (trigger-prepend) connection failed

 this only apperars when i load pd in nogui.

 Strange. Normally missing objects like your prepend are missing
 regardless of gui or nongui mode. Does it also happen if you use a
 prepend built from [list prepend ...]---[list trim] instead?

 [prepend] is an object that should be avoided anyway because there are
 various incompatible version of it available.

 Ciao
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[PD] pd.tk: how to get rid of scrollbars and menus?

2008-06-12 Thread Roman Haefeli
hi all

without any specific tk knowledge, i still once managed to tweak the
pd.tk file, so that there weren't any menus and scrollbards anymore in
the patcher windows. it took me a while to find what needs to be skipped
and needs to to be kept in order to work correctly. now, after switching
to a newer pd version, i realized, that i cannot just re-use my work
done in the previous pd.tk. 

if possible, can anyone explain in few words what needs to be done in
order to get rid of those? wouldn't it also be nice to have simply a
switch in the file to turn those on and off?

roman





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Re: [PD] (trigger-prepend) connection failed

2008-06-12 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Max Neupert hat gesagt: // Max Neupert wrote:

 i get the message saying that (trigger-prepend) connection failed
 when i run my patch in -nogui.
 
 i am trying to guess what is happening.
 i have a theory:
 
 in the helpfile of prepend i read that the version in max doesn't  
 have a second inlet.
 so is it possible, that a cyclone version of prepend is loaded when i  
 run in -nogui?
 on the other hand [cyclone/prepend] has two inlets as well, so it  
 might be something else.

You could try pd -verbose to see what exactly is happening with
library loading in botch cases.

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Re: [PD] inlet and inlet~

2008-06-12 Thread Matt Barber
Right, I had thought about a third outlet which sends a 1 or a 0
depending on connection state -- somehow the float argument seems
better integrated with the default behavior of other objects, and much
simpler to use.  I think the reason is that floats coming in are
already promoted to signals; in the split signal and control model
for [inlet~], if floats were passed as control data rather than
promoted then the third outlet for connection state would make more
sense.

In fact, now that I think about it this may be a very different
problem from the splitting signal and control problem because it might
not just affect [inlet~] -- a similar feature could be made for
[outlet~] since it can also take float messages and promote them to
signals (this functionality is much less needed for [outlet~] than for
[inlet~] however, since float messages can be passed directly to the
[outlet~] from inside the patch, but it could be useful especially for
an abstraction whose internal connections change dynamically).

I only know two arguments for [inlet~] and [outlet~] -- hold and
lin -- but they don't take floats for anything, do they? (actually,
they currently take 0, I guess with the default interleave zeroes
meaning?)  I suppose I need to go through the code more thoroughly,
but I could imagine that since they already know what to do with one
nonzero float argument (the object is not created), they could
possibly use that float instead as a default output value.  The
problem is what to do when you want both sample-and-hold when
upsampling (say) and a default output value:

[inlet~ hold 0.5]

would not break current patches, as it keeps the currently available
arguments first.  The other problem is that other objects define
arguments by order rather than by type, and I doubt anybody would want
to require an argument for the default intervleaving that an
[inlet~] or [outlet~] already does for upsampling just to maintain
proper order:

[outlet~ inter 0.7]

seems kind of silly since the argument would not make explicit sense
in non-upsampled subpatches/abstractions.

Of course this is all moot if [inlet~] and [outlet~] already take
float arguments for something after all.  One other option which I
think is way too extravagant for something this low-level would be to
provide flagged arguments a la [sigmund~]... it would be too
error-prone and would break tons of patches.



At any rate, I appreciate your help and others' on the list greatly!

Thanks,

Matt

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:41 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Matt Barber wrote:

 Hello,

 soon as it received a zero-valued float or [sig~].  The feature I
 propose would be to allow a float argument to [inlet~] as the default
 signal to be passed and which is remembered as signals are connected
 and disconnected to the abstraction from the parent, only until the
 value stored is changed by a float message.  Of course I'm interested
 in other currently implementable solutions...

 you seem to not be aware that [inlet~] already takes arguments, which makes
 your proposal a bit more awkward to implement.
 (nonetheless i like the basic idea; as you are already adding outlets to
 [inlet~] once could imagine a third inlet that would tell you the connection
 state...)


 mfg.asdr
 IOhannes


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Gem-0.91.0 released

2008-06-12 Thread olsen wolf
hi
i just downloaded the gem-0.91. unfortunately onmake i'll get this error:
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldts
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[1]: *** [Gem.pd_linux] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/olsen/pd/extra/gem-0.91.0/src'
make: *** [current] Error 2

this was present also in this thread:
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/gem-dev/2007-12/003217.html
following the workaround by removing the -ldts flag in Make.config helps
greets
olsen


On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 9:48 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 finally i have decided to release Gem-0.91 codename 'tigital'.

 downloads (and release notes) are available via the official homepage
 http://gem.iem.at and via sourceforge
 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=64325package_id=61445release_id=603766


 happy patching

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Gem-0.91.0 released

2008-06-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
olsen wolf wrote:
 hi
 i just downloaded the gem-0.91. unfortunately onmake i'll get this error:
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldts
 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
 make[1]: *** [Gem.pd_linux] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/olsen/pd/extra/gem-0.91.0/src'
 make: *** [current] Error 2


this is a still bug in the avifile-config and not in Gem.
please report the bug to the avifile maintainers (or packagers)

fmga.sdr
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[PD] pduino-arduino trouble

2008-06-12 Thread Max Neupert
hi list,

i have problems getting a arduino diecimila to run.

sometimes i get this:

Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line


and sometimes that:

UNKNOWN_INPUT_COMMAND: 6 0

in both cases i can't access the data.


some hours before it was working, i have no clue.

m.

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Re: [PD] extended on asus eeePC?

2008-06-12 Thread potax flan
i downloaded Hans' .deb installer but when i run it from the xandros desktop
(choosing the option install debian package or something like that) i get
an error message and it doesnt go far. both synaptic and apt-get give me a
non-extended pd to install, which i tried, but i really need extended, as
all my patches require it at some point.
can you apt-get install extended? mayb it's just a matter of adding the
right sources?
ideas?


On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Georg Holzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hallo!


  just got a shiny new asus eeePC
 i am fairly new to linux, and looking for the easiest most friendly way to
 install
  pd-entended (i dont need it to be the latest version, althou that'd be
 great).
 tips for a linux newbie?


 It is just the same as on every other computer.
 I use (k)ubuntu on the eee, so all dependencies are easy to install ...

 However, I don't know if it is that easy on the default Xandros OS, you
 might not have all latest libraries, but you could try it !

 LG
 Georg

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[PD] [PD-announce] Gem-0.91.1 released!

2008-06-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
the first bugfix release of Gem-0.91 is available at http://gem.iem.at/

changes:
  fixed the buffer overrun in [pix_buffer] when instantiating without 
arguments


downloads are available from
http://gem.iem.at/releases/0.91.1
and
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=64325package_id=61445release_id=606405


happy jamming

fmasdr
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Re: [PD] pd.tk: how to get rid of scrollbars and menus?

2008-06-12 Thread Andre Schmidt
hi,

i once did a patch for removing scrollbars if content is smaller than
canvas (pretty standard feature in any app, no?):
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1551825group_id=55736atid=478072

but miller seemed to have bugs with it, and i (no one?) could not
reproduce...
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2008-01/010554.html

and as the need for it seems very low, i dont care anymore...

and for removing menubar, the only thing i got as answer was use forgot
the name tcl/tk external...

.andre


On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 12:02 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
 hi all
 
 without any specific tk knowledge, i still once managed to tweak the
 pd.tk file, so that there weren't any menus and scrollbards anymore in
 the patcher windows. it took me a while to find what needs to be skipped
 and needs to to be kept in order to work correctly. now, after switching
 to a newer pd version, i realized, that i cannot just re-use my work
 done in the previous pd.tk. 
 
 if possible, can anyone explain in few words what needs to be done in
 order to get rid of those? wouldn't it also be nice to have simply a
 switch in the file to turn those on and off?
 
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Re: [PD] pduino-arduino trouble

2008-06-12 Thread Martin Peach
Well errno 9 is EBADF, error bad file number, so the serial port file 
descriptor is not good for some reason, maybe because the serial port was 
closed.

Martin


From: Max Neupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: [PD] pduino-arduino trouble
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:39:50 +1000

hi list,

i have problems getting a arduino diecimila to run.

sometimes i get this:

Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line
[comport] write returned -1, errno is 9
Write error, maybe TX-OVERRUNS on serial line


and sometimes that:

UNKNOWN_INPUT_COMMAND: 6 0

in both cases i can't access the data.


some hours before it was working, i have no clue.

m.

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[PD] PD_extended 3.93 help menu

2008-06-12 Thread Joe Reinsel
Hello all,
I just updated my computer to Mac 10.53 and when I try to access the help
menu so I can look through the browser, PD_extended 3.93 crashes every
time.

Is anyone working on a fix for this issue. I have alway thought this menu
was helpful especially for newbies.

thanks,

Joe

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[PD] pdp_ieee1394 ... couldn't create

2008-06-12 Thread Ctrl Alt Back
Hello,

Pd version 0.42.0-extended-20080604, debian testing, i [import pdp pidip], 
[import] loaded library: pdp
[import] loaded library: pidip

then i try to create [pap_raw1394 320 240] 

 pdp_ieee1394
 ... couldn't create

Obviously i do not have it.
Searched all places for pdp_ieee1394, but found only help patch in
5.reference.
Should it be installed separately from pd-extended ? How exactly ?

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Re: [PD] PD_extended 3.93 help menu

2008-06-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Joe Reinsel wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I just updated my computer to Mac 10.53 and when I try to access the 
 help menu so I can look through the browser, PD_extended 3.93 crashes 
 every time. 

i keep wondering where people generate their version numbers from...

anyhow,i don't think much work is still invested into 0.39.

could you try one of the Pd-extended 0.40 release candidates?
(http://autobuild.puredata.info)

fgmadsr
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Re: [PD] extended on asus eeePC?

2008-06-12 Thread altern
potax flan(e)k dio:
 i downloaded Hans' .deb installer but when i run it from the xandros 
 desktop (choosing the option install debian package or something like 
 that) i get an error message and it doesnt go far. both synaptic and 
 apt-get give me a non-extended pd to install, which i tried, but i 
 really need extended, as all my patches require it at some point.

which error do you get? paste it into an email please.

 can you apt-get install extended? mayb it's just a matter of adding the 
 right sources?

i dont think so.

enrike

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Re: [PD] pd.tk: how to get rid of scrollbars and menus?

2008-06-12 Thread Roman Haefeli
hi pat and andre

thank you, guys, for your suggestions. i actually want to have my patch
windows without menus/sb and i don't want to make my patches have no
m/sb on other peoples computers, that is why i would like to avoid the
toxy approach.

however, meanwhile i could solve it with a little help from #tcl.

to get rid of the menu, i uncommented the whole section from:

# the file menu 
line 939 in pd.tk of pd-vanilla 0.41.4

to:

# WM protocol
line 1203


in order to remove the scrollbars, i changed the section:

start section

   wm geometry $name $geometry
   canvas $name.c -width $width -height $height -background white \
   -yscrollcommand $name.scrollvert set \
   -xscrollcommand $name.scrollhort set \
   -scrollregion [concat 0 0 $width $height] 

scrollbar $name.scrollvert -command $name.c yview
scrollbar $name.scrollhort -command $name.c xview \
-orient horizontal

pack $name.scrollhort -side bottom -fill x
pack $name.scrollvert -side right -fill y
pack $name.c -side left -expand 1 -fill both

end section

to:

start section

   wm geometry $name $geometry
   canvas $name.c -width $width -height $height -background white
#   -yscrollcommand $name.scrollvert set \
#   -xscrollcommand $name.scrollhort set \
#   -scrollregion [concat 0 0 $width $height] 

#   scrollbar $name.scrollvert -command $name.c yview
#   scrollbar $name.scrollhort -command $name.c xview \
#   -orient horizontal

#   pack $name.scrollhort -side bottom -fill x
#   pack $name.scrollvert -side right -fill y
pack $name.c -side left -expand 1 -fill both

end section

those changes seem to work, while they most likely are a very ugly
kludge. i get a en error from time to time (e.g. 'invalid command name
.x8277008.m.windows') in stderr, but they don't seem to cause any
harm.

roman


On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 12:43 -0400, patrick wrote: 
 hi roman,
 
 in pdmtl abstractions the 1.browser.pd doesn't have any menu or 
 scrollbar. this hack is done without editing pd.tk - also disabling ctrl+e.
 
 tof did it, so i don't know the detail about this little hack. but i 
 think he used toxy to do it.
 
 see the screenshot.
 
 pat
 
 
 
 Roman Haefeli wrote:
  hi all
 
  without any specific tk knowledge, i still once managed to tweak the
  pd.tk file, so that there weren't any menus and scrollbards anymore in
  the patcher windows. it took me a while to find what needs to be skipped
  and needs to to be kept in order to work correctly. now, after switching
  to a newer pd version, i realized, that i cannot just re-use my work
  done in the previous pd.tk. 
 
  if possible, can anyone explain in few words what needs to be done in
  order to get rid of those? wouldn't it also be nice to have simply a
  switch in the file to turn those on and off?
 
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[PD] Question on Nightly builds...

2008-06-12 Thread Mike McGonagle
Hello all,
I have noticed the the last week or so that there are no Mac builds for the
nightly stuff. Is there something happening with the Mac distro?

Also, when there were things for the Mac, there was also something labeled
with 'dyn'. Is that another separate distro? When I tried to download those
things, it came up with a Pd-Extended app, named the same as the other Mac
version, but when I tried to run it, it acted like it was starting, but then
just quit. I checked the console, but couldn't find any error messages.

Thanks,

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Re: [PD] Size of a table

2008-06-12 Thread Steffen Juul

On 11/06/2008, at 16.03, Andy Farnell wrote:

 On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:23:28 +0200
 Roman Haefeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 12:09 +0100, Hans Roels wrote:
 Apart from [soundfiler] I use this trick to get the size of any  
 array
 (audio or data) in pd vanilla:
 (array1 = the name of an example array)

 bang
 |
 [expr size(array1)]
 |
 print

 hey, nice trick. thanks for sharing.

 roman

 Yeah, nice! Not seen that before, it's very useful. Thanks

Agreed. Neat indeed. I've added it to the Tips'n'Tricks page[0]. Hope  
that's ok.

[0] http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/TipsAndTricks#getting-table- 
array-size

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Re: [PD] pdp_ieee1394 ... couldn't create

2008-06-12 Thread ydegoyon
Ctrl Alt Back wrote:
 Hello,

 Pd version 0.42.0-extended-20080604, debian testing, i [import pdp pidip], 
 [import] loaded library: pdp
 [import] loaded library: pidip

 then i try to create [pap_raw1394 320 240] 

  pdp_ieee1394
  ... couldn't create

 Obviously i do not have it.
 Searched all places for pdp_ieee1394, but found only help patch in
 5.reference.
 Should it be installed separately from pd-extended ? How exactly ?

 CtrlAltBack
   
urgg, don't know what this extended,
but pdp_ieee1394 doesn't take any argument on linux,
so try [pdp_ieee1394], and i don't know if you'll get it.

if you think it's tricky, then see also that i could never
set gem dimension correctly for my cam in gem,
and the pdp_ieee1394 you refer to was for OSX
and based on gem code.

saludos,
sevy

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Re: [PD] pdp_ieee1394 ... couldn't create

2008-06-12 Thread Ctrl Alt Back
Hi,

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:42:04PM +0200, ydegoyon wrote:
 urgg, don't know what this extended,
 but pdp_ieee1394 doesn't take any argument on linux,
 so try [pdp_ieee1394], and i don't know if you'll get it.
no, this i tried. I think that i don't have it, neither source can be
found. Are you saying that there is a chance to make it work on Linux ?

 if you think it's tricky, then see also that i could never
 set gem dimension correctly for my cam in gem,
 and the pdp_ieee1394 you refer to was for OSX
 and based on gem code.
only result i found to this was your answer :
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-06/029137.html
which - despite being a bit cryptic sounded negatively. Still, it is
from 2005, so i was hoping that something happenned with firewire since
then.

cheers
CtrlAltBack
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Re: [PD] pdp_ieee1394 ... couldn't create

2008-06-12 Thread ydegoyon

ola,

only result i found to this was your answer :
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-06/029137.html
which - despite being a bit cryptic sounded negatively. Still, it is
from 2005, so i was hoping that something happenned with firewire since
then.
  

there are two new pdp modules for cameras
that have been committed 5 days ago or so :
pdp_v4l2 and pdp_ieee1394 ( in pidip ),
and you've been waiting 3 years
and just look for them now!
in fact, i believe in the surnatural!
but just ask hans the right version,
i can't tell.

saludos,
sevy
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[PD] Delete scalars

2008-06-12 Thread Lau Llobet
I'm building some grafics in my pd project.

I add some objects with the [append] but i need to erase them, i have found
no way to delete them except by using   ; pd patch-data clear  message  or
array resizing , non of them is usefull to me because i need to erase some
of them with no order.
I've read that *Pointers are safe: if you delete a scalar pointers to it
are marked invalid.* so i think there'll be a way to delete scalars , in
fact i can do it manually with a Ctrl-X.
Is there any way to do it ?

 thank you very much !.
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Re: [PD] Alternate object

2008-06-12 Thread James Dunn
Max Neupert wrote:

 examples attached.



 Am 2008-06-12 um 01:02 schrieb James Dunn:

 Hi,

 Can anyone tell me where I can find the Alternate object? I'm using 
 pd 0.39-3 extended on Ubuntu 8.04

 thanks

 James 

That's great, thanks!

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