Re: [PD] Interrupting a message loop?
Bill Gribble wrote: Is there a way to stop an non-terminating message loop? The only way I know is to Ctrl-C Pd (under Linux), which is not very satisfactory. no. once your infinite loop is running it is running. you can add logic (before starting the loop, that is!) to exit it. f,gasdr. IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] viele Gute – Lesun g, Kunst, Raummusik und ein Workshop 16:9
Hi, sorry, the following is available in German only: on Oct 19 2008 there will be a concert/sound installation in Cologne, where lots of Pd is used as well - and lots of speakers. http://www.khm.de/aktuelles/veranstaltung/article/259-aviele-gutea-a-lesung-kunst-raummusik-und-so/ or http://tinyurl.com/4n3k8b Raummusik und so- Konzert in Zusammenarbeit mit der KHM Sonntag, 19 Oktober, 16 Uhr Workshop 16:9 von Do. 16.10. bis Sa. 18.10 je 14 bis 20 Uhr KunstWerk Köln Deutz-Mülheimer-Str. 127 51065 Köln Ein Jahr lang wird Gilbert Flöck von seinem Atelier im KunstWerk auf die gegenüberliegende Hauswand Kunst-Texte projizieren. Eröffnet wird diese Ausstellung mit einer Lesung von Lothar Tolksdorf und einem Raummusik und so-Konzert in Zusammenarbeit mit der KHM. Tolksdorf nennt sich selbst den Pfennigfuchser unter den Satzzeichensetzern und erklärt die Welt der kreativen Schreibwerkstätten auf seine Weise. Das Raummusik-Konzert wartet neben einer 8-Kanal-Anlage auch mit einer speziellen 16:9 Lautsprechermatrix von Martin Rumori und Daniel Teige auf. Komponisten aus U- und E-Musik werden ihre Werke vorstellen. Das Publikum ist eingeladen, sich frei mit einem Bier in der Hand durch die Halle und den Klangraum zu bewegen. Folgende Komponisten bestreiten das Programm von Raummusik und so: Peter Plessas, Volker Hennes, Tobias Beck, Matthias Neuenhofer, Die Therapeutische Hörgruppe Köln, NooK, Berby + Nerd, René Kemp, Gerriet K. Sharma, Dirk Specht, Frank Barknecht, Franziska Windisch, Martin Rumori, Das Blaue Monster. Bereits im Vorfeld gibt es einen Workshop, der in die Möglichkeiten der 16:9 Matrix einführt. Der Workshop findet von Do. 16.10. bis Sa. 18.10. jeweils von 14 bis 20 Uhr statt und ist für alle Interessierten offen. Dieser Workshop beginnt mit einer Einführung in die Arbeitsweise mit 16:9. Anhand von bisher realisierten Projekten werden verschiedene Formen der Klangprojektion mit der 60-kanaligen Lautsprechermatrix vorgestellt. In der anschließenden experimentellen Arbeitsphase arbeiten die Teilnehmer gemeinsam an der Umsetzung eigener Ideen. Kontakt für den Workshop: Martin Rumori [EMAIL PROTECTED] See you, -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Open source your mobile devices, Oct 14th @ Eyebeam
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: PDa, of course. I've been making a lot of builds using OpenEmbedded. I am working on a custom OpenEmbedded image/distro based on Angstrom. So far I have it running on iPAQs and Palms. Others should be possible. I should have some test releases soon. I have also made some test builds for Maemo and OpenMoko. I suppose I should throw them somewhere if anyone wants to try them. Yes please. The meamo image on the website is pretty old already and I am not sure if it works with every version of the webpad. OpenMoko might also be interesting for people to try. Do you have a device ? Günter .hc Thanks, Günter October 14: Open source your mobile devices Untethered workshop Date: Tues., Oct. 14, 7PM Location: Eyebeam, 540 W. 21st St., NYC Cost: Free Got an old iPod? Install iPodLinux on it and turn it into an 8-bit sequencer or touchscreen guitar. Or hook up an Arduino to your old wifi router and discover what's possible. This workshop is based on the idea of making iPods, wifi routers and PDAs generative, by changing their software to enable creative experimentation. Until recently, only very skilled hackers were able to untether their own devices. Thanks to the work of so many hackers, it's getting easier. Yes, there are still irksome technical details master, but that's what this workshop is for! Eyebeam resident Hans-Christoph Steiner, together with Chris the Widget DiMauro will lead the workshop. They've been collecting a wide range of devices and hacking them with free software and now want to help you do the same. Check the wiki to determine if your seemingly obsolete devices are supported, and if so, bring them along: http://dev.eyebeam.org/ projects/reware/wiki/Workshop --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NYCResistor group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nycresistor [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/nycresistor?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Performance involving Pd in Canberra!
Hi List! I'm performing the soundtrack for Cognition Part 2 which is a cross- artform performance happening at the Street Theatre in Canberra this week! I'm using Pd to analyse live percussion sounds and then control an electronic backing part. We're also using Pd to create interactive visuals in an installation artwork. There's more information here: http://cmpercussion.blogspot.com/2008/10/cognition-part-2-this-week-at-street-2.html Maybe I'll see some Pd fans there! --Charles Martin www.charlesmartin.com.au cmpercussion.blogspot.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] counter
Hi, I've just installed pd 0.41.0 on Mandriva 2008 Spring. Why [counter] in not active? Thank's c _ Comunica, gioca e divertiti con i tuoi amici su Messenger! http://www.messenger.it ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] counter
On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 14:48 +0200, chi ball wrote: Hi, I've just installed pd 0.41.0 on Mandriva 2008 Spring. Why [counter] in not active? Thank's c [counter] is a class provided by several libraries, but not by plain pd. all versions of [counter] should be included in pd-extended, though. i wouldn't recommend to use [counter], since all available versions slightly differ from each other. it's likely, that your patches using [counter] will break in case you change the order of loading the libraries (or change to another pd-extended version etc) . also it's something, that could be easily implemented with a handful of vanilla classes: [f ]X[+ 1] this is the simplest idiom of a counter this is only an example. the advantages of creating your own [your_counter] are: - it will work consistently on every pd installation - it doesn't require any externals - you can make it to perfectly match your particular needs there has been much discussion about counters on this list, just in case you would like to read different opinions on this topic as well. personally, i never have felt the need for a [counter] class. * sorry, if i sounded too didactic * roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building Externals
carmen r wrote: 'externals' cannot be self-sufficient since it will always depend on the headers in 'pd'. the existing scripts were smart enough to find m_pd.h (and the other headers) alonside externals/, or its parent directory see miXed/ it still works that way the issue is you introduced dependencies on several new toplevel dirs for no good reason and broke up the modularity of the makefiles this has basically been my arguing for ages. i would very much like to revamp the entire build-system, but haven't had the time to do it. if several people are interested in doing so we could form a taskforce and just do it. oh well, unsubscribing. have fun in your broken paradise oh well, your zeal was shortlived then let me know if you are still interested in making a better world. fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Open source your mobile devices, Oct 14th @ Eyebeam
Gunter Geiger wrote: every version of the webpad. OpenMoko might also be interesting for people to try. Do you have a device ? i do have a freerunner (well, quite: it will be used for a project within the next month, so it is not available to me; i should get it then) and obviously i want to use it... fgamdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] split symbol
Hello, Is it possible to split a symbol in Pd vanilla? F.e. I want to get the number 1 out of the send name 'pitch-1' I found some references about externals in this mailing list but not a solution in plain Pd. Is it impossible or has somebody found a trick? thanks, Hans r ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] split symbol
Hello, Is it possible to split a symbol in Pd vanilla? F.e. I want to get the number 1 out of the send name 'pitch-1' I found some references about externals in this mailing list but not a solution in plain Pd. Is it impossible or has somebody found a trick? thanks, Hans r ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] split symbol
On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 16:53 +0100, Hans Roels wrote: Hello, Is it possible to split a symbol in Pd vanilla? F.e. I want to get the number 1 out of the send name 'pitch-1' I found some references about externals in this mailing list but not a solution in plain Pd. Is it impossible or has somebody found a trick? the only way i know is to use some [makefilename] trickery. there is a way to get a certain character out of a symbol. a simple and easy and primarily flexible solution is still missing, unfortunately. string processing is not pd's main goal. however, since pd 0.40 it became possible to concatenate symbols freely, so in order to complete pd's (admittedly limited) string processing capabilities, only this little piece (splitting symbols) is missing. i asked miller several times to include something for that task without success. as simple things as getting the file name from an absolute path is not possible yet in plain vanilla because of that :-( roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] split symbol
Hallo, Hans Roels hat gesagt: // Hans Roels wrote: Is it possible to split a symbol in Pd vanilla? No. F.e. I want to get the number 1 out of the send name 'pitch-1' I found some references about externals in this mailing list but not a solution in plain Pd. Is it impossible or has somebody found a trick? You could rethink the way you use sends. If you want to get 1 something when sending something to a receiver called pitch-1 you could instead use a receiver called pitch and send 1 something to it. I.e.: old: [something( | [s p-1] [r p-1] | something new: [1 something( | [s p] [r p] | [route 1] | something This idiom often is more flexible in other regards, too, and a trick to remember. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_preview and pd
ops! this version is very crappy ;) (just tested here) - as in macOS gem default colorspace is YUV, you may force pix_film (or any other) to use RGB in order to make it work. |colorspace RGB( - anyway, the RGB frame in macOS is diferent from the linux one, so you will see the image flipped ... for now it works like this. salut, ll. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi Daniel, here is attatched a pix_preview version for macOS ... i'd been working on it some time ago and actually i don't remember exactly how i compile it (actally macOS is not my OS and probably i do it with somebody's help) also, i must add this is really alpha software and sometimes crashes pd, Actually i'm not working on it, cause i have some doubts about the possibility to send lot of pixel information from pd to the pd-gui(tk) throught a socket... maybe somebody here in the list can send a tip for this? anyway, in the package you have a pix_preview.pd_darwin wich works with very simple Gem patches. also you have a Makefile to compile it on macOS. salut, ll. Daniel Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: Continuing my quest to compile pix_preview, I've created a XCode project. The source compiles ok but needs PD and GEM libraries. I'm on the process of compiling pd 0.41.4 and I get the following error when I run make: ld: library not found for -lcrt1.10.5.o collect2: ld returned 1 exit status ld: library not found for -lcrt1.10.5.o collect2: ld returned 1 exit status lipo: can't open input file: /var/folders/7I/7I19eeu1EdGIskTw499EmE+++TI/-Tmp-//cc0rOQHJ.out (No such file or directory) make: *** [../bin/pd-watchdog] Error 1 what library is crt? Daniel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] auto launch IAC driver on startup
hey Tim, A bit of a late reply , but thanks a lot, your link ( http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-09/064871.html) solved my problem indeed. The correct Midi driver is chosen on startup now. By the way : weren't you the guy from the Champ d'Action synth ? I think we saw eachother few weeks ago at the TimeCanvas event in MUHKA. Greets and thanks once more ! Bram 2008/9/28 tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi Bram, this might be related, if not the answer, to your question: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-09/064871.html Tim On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 23:59 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all , I use IAC driver for routing midi out of pure data (pd ext 0.39.3) to other software. Is there a way to automatically load a patch with this specific midi driver ( so i don't have to choose it manually from the preferences ) ? I remember doing something similar with MidiYoke on a pc. I 'd like to do the same on a Mac with IAC driver , i've tried to add a line in the org.puredata.pd.plist file midioutdev IAC Driver: Bus 1 but that does,'t seem to work any suggestions ? thanks in advance -- Bram www.myspace.com/kaboomkaravan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- ... www.timvets.net [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0032 474 89 66 86 skype: tim167_ ... -- Bram Bosteels Kapellenstraat 41/1 9280 Denderbelle www.myspace.com/kaboomkaravan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building Externals
On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:20 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: carmen r wrote: 'externals' cannot be self-sufficient since it will always depend on the headers in 'pd'. the existing scripts were smart enough to find m_pd.h (and the other headers) alonside externals/, or its parent directory see miXed/ it still works that way the issue is you introduced dependencies on several new toplevel dirs for no good reason and broke up the modularity of the makefiles this has basically been my arguing for ages. i would very much like to revamp the entire build-system, but haven't had the time to do it. if several people are interested in doing so we could form a taskforce and just do it. Sounds good to me. oh well, unsubscribing. have fun in your broken paradise oh well, your zeal was shortlived then let me know if you are still interested in making a better world. fgmasdr IOhannes Wow, that was a waste of everyone's time. Just come in and bitch at a lot of people, then bail. .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building Externals
morning all, On 2008-10-13 20:44:56, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] appears to have written: On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:20 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: carmen r wrote: and broke up the modularity of the makefiles this has basically been my arguing for ages. i would very much like to revamp the entire build-system, but haven't had the time to do it. if several people are interested in doing so we could form a taskforce and just do it. Sounds good to me. Likewise. oh well, unsubscribing. have fun in your broken paradise oh well, your zeal was shortlived then let me know if you are still interested in making a better world. Wow, that was a waste of everyone's time. Just come in and bitch at a lot of people, then bail. I think it falls under free and open exchange of ideas ;-) marmosets, Bryan -- Bryan Jurish There is *always* one more bug. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Berlin Pure Data Meetings
Hallo Berliner! Since now many of the pd-graz people are living in Berlin (or at least Michi Pinter and me for now ;), it would be nice to meet some Berlin pd people (or similar). I heard that there was a pd stammtisch here, but I guess it is not active anymore ? So if anyone is interested - let me know ! (We also plan to make a workshop at some other time - if someone wants to contribute or attend she/he is of course very welcome!) OK, I am happy for any reply, LG Georg PS: As I am new here - has maybe someone tips which things are good to go to here in Berlin ? Maybe some locations/mailinglists/websites with nice events or communities ? - Thanks for any hints ! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_preview and pd
ei, Quoting Daniel Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello LLuis, Thank you very much! I'll try it, and if possible, I'll work on it. of course!!! it could be nice to have more approaches on this topic ... Do I need to have GEM and PD compiled? no. i think the pix_preview.pd_darwin work's with the pd-extended package. you will need gem and pd sources if you want to compile you own pix_preview.pd_darwin, but you don't need to compile them (i think). I'm having a bit trouble compiling both! The Xcode project doesn't work! and PD fails to compile using make aha ... i can't help you here, macOS is not my system (and will not;). i'm getting some skills on it cause it's a unix-like system but still i'm a newbee compiling on macOS. but anyway, just do it, and share your experience here. here we have some macOS guru's :) Daniel This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Berlin Pure Data Meetings
i'm playing in berlin on wednesday night. the gig starts and finishes early. the flyer is a bit dodgy, but there should be heaps of good live sets. http://queuedebeton.com/cockrock/CHARLIE-S.jpg ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Berlin Pure Data Meetings
here's more info; Charlie party is where noise rock, breakcore, lazers and fun combine in an explosive mixture! Watch these 5 brilliant live acts from around the globe descend on Berlin, Wednesday Oct 15th! Playing will be Enduser- Master of the hardest Drum and Bass/Breakcore around, Monster Zoku Onsomb- an electro surf trash 4 piece from Australia, Nero's Day At Disneyland- baroque electronics with noisey breakcore beats from San Francisco, Hard Off- Japan's global underground brokencore hero, and YobKiss- Rotterdam's lazer-gloved mega-drummer! Brought to you by Dj Donna Summer, who is part of the teams that brings you the Birthday Party Berlin parties as well as the Wasted Festival!! This is an early show- so it is FREE BEFORE 10:30 PM Then 7 euros after!!! Josef at Maria Am Ostbahnhof Oct 15th (Wednesday) Doors @ 10:00PM FREE BEFORE 10:30 PM 7 euros after... Enduser - USA - LIVE! Monster Zoku Onsomb - AUS - LIVE!! Hard Off- JP - LIVE!! Nero's Day At Disneyland - USA - LIVE!! Yobkiss - NL - LIVE!!! Dj Donna Summer - DJ!! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Sending Textures
I think that should work on 0.40.3. There are so many annoying technical details with opengl related thigns, you should include the exact OS, CPU, and graphics card info when posting about problems with Gem. .hc On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Joseph Barrows wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded to extended 0.40.3 and after much trouble re- locating all but a few of my loadtime libs, have one last problem I cant fix: I was able (under 0.39) send texture info (using the second output of the pix_texture), now it doesnt work! see attached stills mixer.pd for the patch that used to work to distribute nice sequence of image with fades to over hundred surfaces. is this a bug or a bug fix? -- Joseph Barrows live video performance; web site design; new media artist jjbarrows.artwww.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] stills mixer.pd___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Pd-anywhere test releases
Hey all, I've been working a bunch with Open Embedded distros as part of the Reware project, so I thought I'd throw up some binaries. They haven't been tested much, so tell us how they worked for you. There are Familiar and Angstrom builds there, now, with more to come. These should work on iPAQs and Palms. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php? group_id=236704package_id=287575 There are also some Tcl/Tk packages there, in case you need them: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php? group_id=236704package_id=295064 I am building OpenMoko packages now, that'll take a while since I have to build the whole environment. .hc I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Sending Textures
Hi Hans, thanks - it does work! what had changed was that pix_texture wouldn't do anything untill it was in a gem chain (which it didn't need in .39, but was probably an accidental 'feature') I realised after posting that i forgot my technical details, then got it working (and also realised there are soo many combos that problems can be hard to reproduce (esp with linux, seems to have an order of magnitude more combinations than osy?/windoze) 2008/10/14 Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that should work on 0.40.3. There are so many annoying technical details with opengl related thigns, you should include the exact OS, CPU, and graphics card info when posting about problems with Gem. .hc On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Joseph Barrows wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded to extended 0.40.3 and after much trouble re-locating all but a few of my loadtime libs, have one last problem I cant fix: I was able (under 0.39) send texture info (using the second output of the pix_texture), now it doesnt work! see attached stills mixer.pd for the patch that used to work to distribute nice sequence of image with fades to over hundred surfaces. is this a bug or a bug fix? -- Joseph Barrows live video performance; web site design; new media artist jjbarrows.artwww.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] stills mixer.pd___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste -- Joseph Barrows live video performance; web site design; new media artist jjbarrows.artwww.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
