Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions
Hallo, Georg Werner hat gesagt: // Georg Werner wrote: can somebody explain why there is a 3rd rule of $-expansion: 'there is no $0 in message-boxes'. i stumble every now and then about it and it is IMHO not self-explanatory. it is not hard to implement and wouldn't make problems with existing patches - because $0 is never used in messages. and would make things easier not only for beginners. Actually this topic is discussed about once or twice a year on pd-list and pd-dev, so for deeper info check the archive. Anyway: $0 is a property of the surrounding abstraction or canvas, as are $1,... in object arguments. The $1,... in message boxes however are properties of the messages sent around and reaching a message box. While the value of dollar variable in message boxes changes all the time, the value of the canvas-dollars never change. Messages don't have anything comparable to the canvas' $0. A possible alternative use for $0 in messages would be the selector (list, symbol, ...) as that is the thing before $1, but implementing that could be even more confusing to beginners. Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] limit in number of sssad abstraction
hello list, is there is a limit in the number of sssad abstractions that can be used in a patch, im using 50 sssad abstractions in a patch and when i save to a text file my pd crashes(but it still save fine the file), and then when i try to load the textfile- preset it loads fine but i get stack overflow messages, when my patch had 20 sssad abstractions it used to work fine. why is that? Is the problem the number of sssad abstractions im using? is there anyway of fixing this? Do anybody have any idea? im using pd extended 0.40.3 many thanks pun. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] escape space character
Yeah I know some ways to get around this with extended but I'm more into the vanilla-way-of-life =) I would love having a quoting method and/or an escaping character like \ . Of course I have no idea about the difficulty to implement that and I just found a message from Herr Puckette saying: I'm against adding a general escape mechanism, because I think it's better to find a design that obviate teh need for it... I still think that [open my\ file.txt( or [open my file.txt( is more elegant than dealing with a couple of messages and something like [addspace( in between though... Cheers, _y Mike McGonagle wrote: Currently, there is no way to do an escape. There is some discussion about trying to implement a quoting method that would allows spaces... I attached an example of how you can convert a list of symbols (and numbers) into a single symbol, which would include spaces. It depends on an external from 'zexy' (part of the extended stuff). ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] limit in number of sssad abstraction
Hallo, punchik punchik hat gesagt: // punchik punchik wrote: hello list, is there is a limit in the number of sssad abstractions that can be used in a patch, im using 50 sssad abstractions in a patch and when i save to a text file my pd crashes(but it still save fine the file), and then when i try to load the textfile- preset it loads fine but i get stack overflow messages, when my patch had 20 sssad abstractions it used to work fine. why is that? Is the problem the number of sssad abstractions im using? Could you send an example patch that demonstrates the problem? Generally using 50 sssad's should be fine. For example the s_fm4 from the RjDj library uses 40 sssad's in one object without problems - and I usually use more sssad-enabled objects in paralell to that. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] escape space character
I just make this abs and help to transform message with space to symbol using pure-pd objects. Based on the list-abs list-l2s. ++ Jack absforspace-help.pd Description: Binary data absforspace.pd Description: Binary data Le 7 févr. 09 à 14:14, y a écrit : Yeah I know some ways to get around this with extended but I'm more into the vanilla-way-of-life =) I would love having a quoting method and/or an escaping character like \ . Of course I have no idea about the difficulty to implement that and I just found a message from Herr Puckette saying: I'm against adding a general escape mechanism, because I think it's better to find a design that obviate teh need for it... I still think that [open my\ file.txt( or [open my file.txt( is more elegant than dealing with a couple of messages and something like [addspace( in between though... Cheers, _y Mike McGonagle wrote: Currently, there is no way to do an escape. There is some discussion about trying to implement a quoting method that would allows spaces... I attached an example of how you can convert a list of symbols (and numbers) into a single symbol, which would include spaces. It depends on an external from 'zexy' (part of the extended stuff). ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] escape space character
Thanks for your effort Jack, but somehow I cannot get your abstraction working. It also does not work if I try with a basic example without spaces in the filename... Am I missing something ? (And [symbol] is part of pddp) Cheers, _y Jack wrote: I just make this abs and help to transform message with space to symbol using pure-pd objects. Based on the list-abs list-l2s. ++ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] turn off gem subpatches
Hello! i have a patch that has 3 gem subpatches, each one has complex iterative structures , since each one should be visualized at a time, is it possible to turn off the 2 subpatches that are not viewed at any time? im asking this because having this 3 subpatches consumes all of my cpu because each one have a lot of repeats objects, is it possible to turn off the subpatches im not using? ive tried to turn off the gemhead sending a 0 to it and the structures doesnt appear anymore but they are still consuming my cpu , is there any way of turning off this gem processes- subpatches? any advice would be appreaciated thanks pun. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] escape space character
On 07/02/2009, at 17.38, y wrote: Am I missing something ? does the Pd console tell you that list-drip was not created? list- drip is part of list-abs. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] escape space character
Oops, of course ! I forget to attach it. ++ Jack list-drip.pd Description: Binary data Le 7 févr. 09 à 18:00, Steffen Juul a écrit : On 07/02/2009, at 17.38, y wrote: Am I missing something ? does the Pd console tell you that list-drip was not created? list- drip is part of list-abs. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] turn off gem subpatches
Hmm, it's weird ! Sending 0 to [gemhead] should stop all the process in the GEM chain. Maybe you have other process in your subpatch ? ++ Jack Le 7 févr. 09 à 17:43, punchik punchik a écrit : Hello! i have a patch that has 3 gem subpatches, each one has complex iterative structures , since each one should be visualized at a time, is it possible to turn off the 2 subpatches that are not viewed at any time? im asking this because having this 3 subpatches consumes all of my cpu because each one have a lot of repeats objects, is it possible to turn off the subpatches im not using? ive tried to turn off the gemhead sending a 0 to it and the structures doesnt appear anymore but they are still consuming my cpu , is there any way of turning off this gem processes- subpatches? any advice would be appreaciated thanks pun. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] turn off gem subpatches
punchik punchik wrote: Hello! i have a patch that has 3 gem subpatches, each one has complex iterative structures , since each one should be visualized at a time, is it possible to turn off the 2 subpatches that are not viewed at any time? im asking this because having this 3 subpatches consumes all of my cpu because each one have a lot of repeats objects, is it possible to turn off the subpatches im not using? ive tried to turn off the gemhead sending a 0 to it and the structures doesnt appear anymore but they are still consuming my cpu , is there any way of turning off this gem processes- subpatches? any advice would be appreaciated do your subpatches have a gemhead? you can turn off the rendering of a gemhead by feeding it a simple 0, use for example a toggle to turn them on/off. marius. thanks pun. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Creating a basic oscillator from first principles?
Hi I am very new to PD and DSP concepts. So this will be hopelessly, awfully, basic :) I have just started chapter 3 of 'The theory and technique of electronic music' which is excellent However it raises a million questions in my head.. one of which is how do I create an oscillator myself? Its really bugging me everytime I create an example from the book. I feel I need to understand the fundamentals of how the basic objects are created too. It seems too easy for me to just use the phasor object provided, So I thought I would struggle through it and try to work it out. This is how I am thinking about it. If I want to create a sawtooth oscillator then this is just a ramp function i.e. a number that increases by 1 each time. therefore if I use a simple float that, that adds 1 each time and a modulus % object to cap it, then I will have my repeating ramp wave :) However I am triggering it by the metro object which is way too slow, how can I send a bang to the float object say every sample? or alot quicker than one millisecond? My thinking is if I could speed up the bangs to a sample level I would then have more scope to then actually tune it, and create the shape I want. However I am sure to do this well would require working at a higher sample rate, but I am not really sure how to proceed. Below is my appalling attempt :) I use the number box to change pitch. Any guidance appreciated Cheers Geoff #N canvas 325 62 681 388 10; #X obj 119 69 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 121 96 f; #X obj 181 116 + 1; #X obj 115 17 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 127 238 dac~; #X obj 118 46 metro 1; #X floatatom 187 163 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 115 160 %; #X obj 114 199 /; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 7 0; #X connect 2 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 7 1; #X connect 6 0 8 1; #X connect 7 0 8 0; #X connect 8 0 4 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] escape space character
No, I have list-abs in my path. I will try to find some time later to post a non-working example patch (but I must miss the obvious here...). Cheers, _y Jack wrote: Oops, of course ! I forget to attach it. ++ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Creating a basic oscillator from first principles?
Hallo, Geoff hat gesagt: // Geoff wrote: Its really bugging me everytime I create an example from the book. I feel I need to understand the fundamentals of how the basic objects are created too. It seems too easy for me to just use the phasor object provided, But that's much more effective. So I thought I would struggle through it and try to work it out. This is how I am thinking about it. If I want to create a sawtooth oscillator then this is just a ramp function i.e. a number that increases by 1 each time. therefore if I use a simple float that, that adds 1 each time and a modulus % object to cap it, then I will have my repeating ramp wave :) Yes, that's correct. You should not use a graphical bang here, as that is a huge (!) waste of ressources. Anyway generally you can make your approach a bit simpler, too. Instead of always adding 1 and scaling plus restricting your counter to a large value, you can also add a smaller value and restrict the output to lie between 0 and 1. Example: Say you add one and always go to f=100: x[n+1] = [(x[n] + 1) % f] / f x[n+1] = [(x[n] + 1) % 100] / 100 Then instead you can also do this: x[n+1] = [(x[n]/f + 1/f) % f/f] x[n+1] = (x[n]/100 + 1/100) % 1 or, as x[n] is restricted anyway do: phasor = (x[n] + 1/100) % 1 The 1/f part is called the phase increment. Note that you need to use a kind of fmod for floating point numbers here, i.e. replace the % with a calculation to get the fractional part: fractional part of f = f - int(f) Also add an additional 1 if you deal with negative numbers. However I am triggering it by the metro object which is way too slow, how can I send a bang to the float object say every sample? or alot quicker than one millisecond? Use a [phasor~] ;-) You can also built your own fast metro using feedbacked [delay] objects. I posted one a while ago here. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] limit in number of sssad abstraction
Hi Frank, i discovered that the problem is not something specific in my patch , it also happenes in your sssad-example's patch: if you first load a preset and then you try to save another one it always crashes. So if you first save a preset and then load it , it works fine, but if you want to save a new preset without closing and reopening pd, it crashes, any idea of how to fix this? thanks Pun. --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] limit in number of sssad abstraction To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 8:40 AM Hallo, punchik punchik hat gesagt: // punchik punchik wrote: hello list, is there is a limit in the number of sssad abstractions that can be used in a patch, im using 50 sssad abstractions in a patch and when i save to a text file my pd crashes(but it still save fine the file), and then when i try to load the textfile- preset it loads fine but i get stack overflow messages, when my patch had 20 sssad abstractions it used to work fine. why is that? Is the problem the number of sssad abstractions im using? Could you send an example patch that demonstrates the problem? Generally using 50 sssad's should be fine. For example the s_fm4 from the RjDj library uses 40 sssad's in one object without problems - and I usually use more sssad-enabled objects in paralell to that. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] smooth without dsp objects
Hi , is there any version of the smooth abstraction but without dsp objects? i want to use for smoothing change of parameters on gem visuals and i would like to have the pd dsp turned off. Any idea of an abstraction that does the same without ~ objects or an object? if not, which is the best way to build one that doesnt consume too much cpu? thanks pun.. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Formations Pure Data
Hello list, Sorry only in french : Il se tiendra le 14 et 15 février prochain deux workshops Pure Data à Mains d'Oeuvres à Saint-Ouen. Le workshop du 14 février s'adressera aux débutants et celui du 15 février aux personnes qui connaissent déjà l'environnement. 11H 18H Salle STAR TREK (deuxième étage) Par jour : 20 EUR TP - 15 € TR (Audoniens, chômeurs, étudiants, Rmistes) Plus d'infos sur : http://www.craslab.org Pour les inscriptions : formati...@craslab.org ++ Jack ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Creating a basic oscillator from first principles?
Thanks Frank this all makes sense up to Note that you need to use a kind of fmod for floating point numbers here, i.e. replace the % with a calculation to get the fractional part: fractional part of f = f - int(f) Also add an additional 1 if you deal with negative numbers. I can see from experimenting in PD that % doesn't want to behave the same for decimal numbers. i.e. if I set % to 1 and increment (x[n] + 1/100) % 1 nothing happens so I need some sort of fmod to deal with the fact that now the values I am generating range from 0 to 1 in 0.01 increments. could you expand on fractional part of f = f - int(f) i.e. because I need to limit things to 1 the % 1 is not going to work so I need a different function that will do the same thing for decimals limited to 1. how would I approach that in PD? Thanks for the input geoff However I am triggering it by the metro object which is way too slow, how can I send a bang to the float object say every sample? or alot quicker than one millisecond? Use a [phasor~] ;-) You can also built your own fast metro using feedbacked [delay] objects. I posted one a while ago here. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] turn off gem subpatches
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 06:16:49PM +0100, marius schebella wrote: do your subpatches have a gemhead? you can turn off the rendering of a gemhead by feeding it a simple 0, use for example a toggle to turn them on/off. and you can turn off parts of the gemchain by putting an [spigot] into it mfgasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] another problem with pd extended
Just installed Pd-0.41.4-extended-20090207-ubuntu-intrepid-i386.deb and get no menus in the main window, rendering the whole thing useless... Message in terminal window says: tcl: /usr/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk: can't open script invalid command name pdtk_pd_startup If I try to quit then a dialog pops up saying: Error:invalid command name pd_tk_fix... ?? Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smooth without dsp objects
What about using pack and line? Simplest way in my book... D. Quoting punchik punchik punch...@yahoo.com: Hi , is there any version of the smooth abstraction but without dsp objects? i want to use for smoothing change of parameters on gem visuals and i would like to have the pd dsp turned off. Any idea of an abstraction that does the same without ~ objects or an object? if not, which is the best way to build one that doesnt consume too much cpu? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Creating a basic oscillator from first principles?
Hallo, Geoff hat gesagt: // Geoff wrote: Thanks Frank this all makes sense up to Note that you need to use a kind of fmod for floating point numbers here, i.e. replace the % with a calculation to get the fractional part: fractional part of f = f - int(f) Also add an additional 1 if you deal with negative numbers. I can see from experimenting in PD that % doesn't want to behave the same for decimal numbers. i.e. if I set % to 1 and increment (x[n] + 1/100) % 1 nothing happens so I need some sort of fmod to deal with the fact that now the values I am generating range from 0 to 1 in 0.01 increments. could you expand on fractional part of f = f - int(f) it's simply: [t f f] | / | [int] | | [- ] Check out the message phasor in the RjDj library for a full implementation: http://trac.rjdj.me/browser/trunk/rjlib/rj/c_mphasor.pd http://trac.rjdj.me/browser/trunk/rjlib/rj/c_mphasor-help.pd Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smooth without dsp objects
Hi, Hi , is there any version of the smooth abstraction but without dsp objects? attached a simple remake of smooth.pd from pixeltango without ~ objects. Martin ppd_smooth.pd Description: application/puredata ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
