Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
a/ if there's only one tutorial registered at pd-tutorial.com, why should i waste my time making another one? there's only one tutorial there because the site was made by the author for the material he made himself. if you don't like it, you can write your own tutorial/site, such as www.theoneandonlyreallyfreepdtutorial-nottobeconfusedwithpd-tutorial.com-whichisn'treallyfreeinthefirstplace.com - that way people will now that there's an even better site for a even more open tutorial. or give the author constructive suggestions in the way he can improve his material. b/ i think tutorials are basically producing people making the same kind of music and/or visuals, every library has its own help, why would you need to be guided from A to Z? result would be just another clone, like people learning to play guitar playing beatle's songs... not what i'm interested in,,, you mean a clone in the same way it happens when someone reads the helpfile of any library/object and does exactly what's described in the helpfile, thus limiting the way he thinks? what would be the difference then betwen a helpfile and a tutorial? I guess it's the user's choice if he wants to be a clone or not, not of the material he reads. some people are quite happy making/being clones, you can't force them to be free (whatever that is). ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
Hey Sevy, i agree with you about the address 'pd-tutorial.com' issue. It would have been much nicer if the author wouldn't have choose a quite totalitarian web address, but... i cannot agree at all about your second statements. How one can start to create different processes and technique without knowing which is the standard? How can you hate an/or despise the Holy Bible without ever read it? If a standard wouldn't exists than something different wouldn't exists as well. We want to make the people as free as possible to create different strategies, but then we don't trust them enough to believe that learning from a tutorial they could do something original? -- Marco Donnarumma aka The !S.A.D! Multimedia Artist, Live Performer - Roma, IT LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
Uh oh, here we go again. Please go have a look at another of Yves' lovely babies, the sexism thread, before throwing any more fuel on this fire. From this point on I have this thread on ignore mode... D. Marco Donnarumma wrote: i cannot agree at all about your second statements. How one can start to create different processes and technique without knowing which is the standard? How can you hate an/or despise the Holy Bible without ever read it? -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 76: Give the game away ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd convention 09 - external involvement?
hi folks, the pd convention is just over a month away and as someone who logistically just can't make it over to brazil, i am wondering how the organizers are planning to integrate content for external involvement? are there plans to stream forums, presentations and/or workshops? is there a wiki or some such thing for colating content generated or discussed at the conference? i'd certainly like the opportunity to participate in the festivities in some format - if these are channels available for such things, otherwise i hope that the papers generated from this conference can be colated in a similar manner to the 'bang' book from the 1st pdcon, which still continues to be a great point of reference and inspiration. cheers, dmotd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd convention 09 - external involvement?
dmotd wrote: hi folks, the pd convention is just over a month away it's more one week away now, starting in 8 days and as someone who logistically just can't make it over to brazil, i am wondering how the organizers are planning to integrate content for external involvement? are there plans to stream forums, presentations and/or workshops? we ( as giss.tv ) have the technical requirements to stream the event, maybe need some local help to find cameras and, the most difficult, people to film and interview the participants.. any contribution welcome. s...@giss.tv ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
b/ i think tutorials are basically producing people making the same kind of music and/or visuals, every library has its own help, why would you need to be guided from A to Z? result would be just another clone, like people learning to play guitar playing beatle's songs... not what i'm interested in,,, What produces people making the same kind of music and/or visuals happens long before someone starts reading a tutorial on pd. Speaking of clones- the idea that one could reject learning to play guitar playing beatles songs as a general, undesirable act of conformity is nonsense. Learning music has a variety of meanings and functions depending on the culture, or even circumstances, like someone retraining their motor and memory skills after an accident. The question is how have you, like so many, overlooked the entire field of ethnomusicology and made a statement that apparently reduces music to a simplistic division between the mindless and the profound? Maybe you read a high modernist tutorial somewhere? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:13 AM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yves, you could write a tutorial too, instead of giving people on the list a hard time. Why should anyone write a tutorial the way you want it? Be punk rock, and do it yourself. .hc you seem to ignore and/or deny the problem, just have 2 things to tell you : a/ if there's only one tutorial registered at pd-tutorial.com, why should i waste my time making another one? b/ i think tutorials are basically producing people making the same kind of music and/or visuals, every library has its own help, why would you need to be guided from A to Z? result would be just another clone, like people learning to play guitar playing beatle's songs... not what i'm interested in,,, saludos, sevy Seriously Yves, put this energy into making a Pd tutorial in your style. I've seen you teach Pd and I think you have a good method that is different than most, and it would be great to see it in a tutorial. No one will benefit from another flame war... there are many other domains to be had: pdtutorial.com pdtutorial.org etc. .hc I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 06:13:01AM +0200, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: b/ i think tutorials are basically producing people making the same kind of music and/or visuals, every library has its own help, why would you need to be guided from A to Z? result would be just another clone, like people learning to play guitar playing beatle's songs... not what i'm interested in,,, Maybe you can think of these kinds of tutorials as a 'gateway drug' to harder Pd usage. Keep on provoking, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Two-dimensional gesture mapping for interactive real-time electronic music instruments
Hi Thomas, I've finally spent enough time reading your thesis to feel comfortable asking a couple questions :) First though, I have to say that the extent of what you accomplished in your implementation is very impressive. It looks like you went the way. I am not sure about what you are using for SMS data - or how you transform the data you are working with based on the feature map you have calculated. Could you help me understand this? cheers, Rich On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Thomas Grill g...@g.org wrote: Hi Luigi, hi Jack, thanks for your kind words. I'm not yet performing with the instrument since at the moment it's more a worked-out concept with a proof-of-concept implementation. For that it's working pretty well, but it still has its rough edges. As stated in the conclusion of the thesis i need to develop my skills as well as the actual sensoric devices and gesture and sounds repertories before i will actually climb the stage with it. I think that will take up some more months. Concerning the patches, i have not yet thought about how to distribute all that stuff that has piled up during the course of this work. One of the problems is that more functionality than i would have liked has had to be realized as (flext-based) externals due to performance reasons. Given the trouble i'm having with maintaining my already published stuff i don't think it's a good idea to add more to it. The more i think about it, i would rather like to share conceptual ideas more than actual implementations - also because i think that such an approach as i took could take on many different forms which are all interesting and worth exploring. Hence, it's not so much about the patches... the top two levels are printed in the thesis anyway. gr~~~ Am 24.11.2008 um 11:48 schrieb Luigi: Am 24.11.2008 um 01:51 schrieb Jack: It seems very impressive. Is there somewhere a place to see this interface working ? (have you planned to show it in a festival or something else). I will be glad to test it. Is it possible to download your patch somewhere ? ++ Yes i agree, very impressing, that is exactly what i am missing in my experiments with the wii-controller... Would be great if you share some patches Luigi Jack Le 23 nov. 08 à 23:32, Thomas Grill a écrit : Hey all, in case someone is interested here's my recently finished master thesis: http://g.org/pub/grill-2008-master-2d_gesture_mapping.pdf or in very compact form, as a presentation poster: http://g.org/pub/grill-2008-master-poster.pdf This thesis describes a novel, fairly general and (for the player) non-technical interface concept for software-based music instruments. The actual proof-of-concept instrument has been realized using pd and gem (with a number of optimized flext-based external objects to make it all possible on current hardware). gr~~~ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] HIDIO and Windows
Hello list, I'm trying to develop cross-platform, but I can't figure out how to get [hidio] to compile on Windows. OS X and Linux were easy with that makefile! I only need mouse/trackpad and keyboard entry, and I like the format that [hidio] uses and the more complete key mapping. Is Windows [hidio] ready for these purposes? If not, is there anything I can do? If so, can someone either compile for me or (maybe even better) explain to me how to compile this on Windows? Thanks very much for any help. I hope everyone here enjoys my eventual results when I share them. -Michael Scott-Nelson ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fluid~.pd_darwin / 10.4 / 10.5
glerm soares wrote: for those who want the binaries for linux, i just attached in this message... Yes but binaries for which architecture? Linux runs on a lot of different processors and they don't all have the same binary instruction set. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
