Re: [PD] Clearing and Copying an array

2010-10-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 09:59:06AM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
 On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

 a) pd-vanilla [tabread from] [tabwrite to   ]
 b) zexy's [tabdump]
 c) iem_tab's [tab_copy]

 d) GridFlow's

 [#for 0 1024]
  |
 [t a a]
  |   `--.
 [#tabread from] |
  |  |
 [#tabwrite to]--'

e) The BSP method: 

 [tabplay~]
 |
 [tabwrite~]

optionally in an upsampled subpatch.

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Re: [PD] fedora 13 vs pd

2010-10-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-10-28 00:31, david medine wrote:
  Dear all,
 
 I switched operating systems to Fedora 13 yesterday and it is great,
 except that I cannot get Pd to address ALSA. The build goes well, no
 errors, and Pd is there and it looks fine, except when I go to 'Audio
 settings' the boxes next to input and output are empty. There are no
 options to select. I have installed every ALSA package that I can find,
 and still no joy. Any ideas? This is a sample what the console reports
 during configuration:

per default, Pd uses OSS. you have to manually tell it to use ALSA.
Menu-Media-ALSA

or start Pd with -alsa.

then the audio-menu should list your soundcards (that is: if you have
any; can other (alsa) applications play sound?)

 
 checking tcl.h usability... yes
 checking tcl.h presence... yes
 checking for tcl.h... yes
 checking for main in -ltcl85... no
 checking for main in -ltcl8.5... yes
 checking for main in -ltk85... no
 checking for main in -ltk8.5... yes
  alsa= yes
 
 I find the ''  before alsa to be troubling.
 
 Anyone know how to fix this?


apply the attached patch, and it should go away.

famdr
IOhannes
--- configure.in.old	2010-10-28 09:01:54.0 +0200
+++ configure.in	2010-10-28 09:02:31.0 +0200
@@ -176,7 +176,7 @@
 if test `uname -s` = Linux;
 then
 dnl Ckecking for ALSA
-echo  alsa= $alsa
+echo checking for alsa= $alsa
 dnl This should be fixed so Pd can use ALSA shared libraries where appropriate.
 if test x$alsa = xyes; then
 AC_CHECK_LIB(asound,snd_pcm_info,PDLIB=$PDLIB -lasound ; alsa=yes,alsa=no)


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Re: [PD] dub chords in Pd

2010-10-28 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Yes, check this:

http://soundcloud.com/bemong/03-rhythm-sound-mango-drive

well, the whole tune, specially at 3' 05
so those are the dub chords I'm talking about :P
Sorry for not specifying before,

Thanks,


Marco


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Re: [PD] dub chords in Pd

2010-10-28 Thread jurgen
every reggae music mix since Lee Perry has been using this type of sound. I 
used a cheapo yamaha portasound in the early 80s to do that, plus a fat phasor 
effect on it. then there's a short delay on it as well with a different EQ 
setting.

if you want to create a phasor effect in pd you either create a very short 
delay or (I think better) a bank of notch filters, either boost or cut. with a 
metro you can then slide through the frequencies with range and speed of your 
liking.

Jurgen

On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

 Yes, check this:
 
 http://soundcloud.com/bemong/03-rhythm-sound-mango-drive
 
 well, the whole tune, specially at 3' 05
 so those are the dub chords I'm talking about :P
 Sorry for not specifying before,
 
 Thanks,
 
 
 Marco
 
 
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 similar to what you're aiming for?
 
 Cheers,
 ~Brandon
 
 
 
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Re: [PD] dub chords in Pd

2010-10-28 Thread brandon zeeb
Agreed,

Check the help patch H15.phaser.pd and H03.band-pass.pd, I'd start with
running your favorite saw chords into a bandpass filter triggered by
note-on, sweep that downward.  Patch that into the recirculating delay Andy
described (touch of distortion with a bandpass in the delay feedback loop).
Finally, add a phasor to the final output.  For maximum dub, dangerously
vary all important parameters.

In sum you have three components:

   1. Simple instrument with bandpass filter descending (and resetting) on
   note-on
   2. Recirculating delay with slight distortion on the input, and a
   bandpass filter in the feedback loop
   3. Phasor on output

You could probably do similar any number of different ways, but this is how
I'd try it.

Best,
~Brandon

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:31 AM, jurgen noise@gmail.com wrote:

 every reggae music mix since Lee Perry has been using this type of sound. I
 used a cheapo yamaha portasound in the early 80s to do that, plus a fat
 phasor effect on it. then there's a short delay on it as well with a
 different EQ setting.

 if you want to create a phasor effect in pd you either create a very short
 delay or (I think better) a bank of notch filters, either boost or cut. with
 a metro you can then slide through the frequencies with range and speed of
 your liking.

 Jurgen

 On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

 Yes, check this:

 http://soundcloud.com/bemong/03-rhythm-sound-mango-drive

 well, the whole tune, specially at 3' 05
 so those are the dub chords I'm talking about :P
 Sorry for not specifying before,

 Thanks,


 Marco


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Re: [PD] dub chords in Pd

2010-10-28 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 10:16 +0100, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
 Yes, check this:
 
 http://soundcloud.com/bemong/03-rhythm-sound-mango-drive
 
 well, the whole tune, specially at 3' 05
 so those are the dub chords I'm talking about :P
 Sorry for not specifying before,

I _love_ RhythmSound. His tracks are mastered in way that really
deserves the term mastering. 

There is very much in it which makes the chords sound dubby. Many
combinations of effect chains are competing with each other. I even
think that many of the different chords are actually the same sound
source passed through different fx chains. 
there is stuff like:

source dry
source - delay 
source - tape delay with frequency modulated
source - reverb
source - delay - reverb
source - delay - phaser

I wouldn't be surprised if within some of those chains even dynamic
compressors were inserted. 

I think organ-like sounds are a good start for a source, but filtered
phasor chords most certainly will do well either. 

I made some tracks done with the netpd instruments/effects trying to go
into a similar techno dub oriented direction:
http://www.romanhaefeli.net/tracks/netpd/2006-03-06_50cm_schnee.mp3
http://www.romanhaefeli.net/tracks/netpd/2006-08-15_backup_blues.mp3

The chords/fx parts are mainly done  with:
instruments: oxygen
fx: rfxlib (mainly rodel and rphase), dynlib (dynamic processing
library)

The Mixer patch mx lets you create complex chains of fx, which I find is
crucial for trying those dubby sounds.

Cheers
Roman

 

 
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Re: [PD] search in archive broken?

2010-10-28 Thread marius schebella
thanks, andy.
great site! rebuilt would be great... IOhannes?
marius.

2010/10/24 Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk:

 MarkMail seems to have an undamaged archive back to '98.

 http://markmail.org

 If the iem records are borked maybe they could be rebuilt
 from this, or another third party archiving source.

 a.

 On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:04:39 +0200
 marius schebella marius.schebe...@gmail.com wrote:

 thank you!
 marius.

 João Pais wrote:
  This is a problem that can't be solved for now, as IO said some time ago
  - search the archives :)
 
  Use this motor instead, it works better
  http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/info.html
 
  hi,
  searching in the list archives I am getting results, but most of them
  do not contain the search terms.
  http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/
  marius.
 
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Re: [PD] dub chords in Pd

2010-10-28 Thread Pierre Massat
Here's a valuable document which i hope will prove helpful:
http://www.submusica.com/uploads/lee_perry1.jpg

Cheers!

2010/10/28 Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com

 On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 10:16 +0100, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
  Yes, check this:
 
  http://soundcloud.com/bemong/03-rhythm-sound-mango-drive
 
  well, the whole tune, specially at 3' 05
  so those are the dub chords I'm talking about :P
  Sorry for not specifying before,

 I _love_ RhythmSound. His tracks are mastered in way that really
 deserves the term mastering.

 There is very much in it which makes the chords sound dubby. Many
 combinations of effect chains are competing with each other. I even
 think that many of the different chords are actually the same sound
 source passed through different fx chains.
 there is stuff like:

 source dry
 source - delay
 source - tape delay with frequency modulated
 source - reverb
 source - delay - reverb
 source - delay - phaser

 I wouldn't be surprised if within some of those chains even dynamic
 compressors were inserted.

 I think organ-like sounds are a good start for a source, but filtered
 phasor chords most certainly will do well either.

 I made some tracks done with the netpd instruments/effects trying to go
 into a similar techno dub oriented direction:
 http://www.romanhaefeli.net/tracks/netpd/2006-03-06_50cm_schnee.mp3
 http://www.romanhaefeli.net/tracks/netpd/2006-08-15_backup_blues.mp3

 The chords/fx parts are mainly done  with:
 instruments: oxygen
 fx: rfxlib (mainly rodel and rphase), dynlib (dynamic processing
 library)

 The Mixer patch mx lets you create complex chains of fx, which I find is
 crucial for trying those dubby sounds.

 Cheers
 Roman



 
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  Subject: Re: [PD] dub chords in Pd
  To: PD List pd-list@iem.at
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  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
  There are many ways to peel that apple, can you post an
  example of something
  similar to what you're aiming for?
 
  Cheers,
  ~Brandon
 
 
 
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  Ongoing MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK
 
 
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[PD] IPA Vowel space analyzer

2010-10-28 Thread Ludwig Maes
Hi, I was wondering how one would locate a vowel in the IPA vowel
quadrangle using pd...
Of course I would expect the corners of the vowel to depend on
individual characteristics, but I dont know where to start.
Anyone any ideas?
Greetings,
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[PD] Submitting bug reports for PD test releases

2010-10-28 Thread Joe White
Hi all,

 I'm currently using Pd-0.43-0test3 that I downloaded from Miller's webpage
here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html

I really like the new gui look and other features but I'm experiencing a few
bugs and issues.

I'm wondering where the correct place to provide feedback for it is (or
whether that only applies to stable releases?).

I was looking at the sourceforge bug tracker (
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=55736atid=478070) but this seems
to be related to other releases?

Any information would be much appreciated

Thanks,
Joe
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[PD] send audio over udp with mrpeach/udpsend~ and mrpeach/udpsend

2010-10-28 Thread padovani

Hello,

I am doing some tests sending UDP packets to Processing and 
openFrameworks from PD.


First I tried to send tabdumps with mrpeach/udpsend... It would be nice 
to use this one because I could select specific frames to send.

But it seems to not accept the floats from the arrays...

So, now, I am trying to do it with mrpeach/udpsend~, but I am trying to 
understand what are exactly the 24 bytes that begin with TAG!


Any help is appreciated,

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Re: [PD] IPA Vowel space analyzer

2010-10-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Ludwig Maes wrote:

Hi, I was wondering how one would locate a vowel in the IPA vowel 
quadrangle using pd... Of course I would expect the corners of the vowel 
to depend on individual characteristics, but I dont know where to start. 
Anyone any ideas? Greetings, Ludwig


I'd like to know as well... about two years ago, I made a patch to play 
Wikipedia's vowel samples according to three criteria (two [vradio] and 
one [tgl]) :


01234
6 [i][y][ɨ][ʉ][ɯ][u]
5  [ɪ][ʏ]   [ʊ]
4 [e][ø] [o]
3   [ə]
2 [ɛ][œ]  [ʌ][ɔ]
1 [æ]   [ɐ]
0 [a][ɶ]  [ɑ][ɒ]

And then some more. Personally I'm mostly interested in [iyɪʏeøeœaœəuʊøʌɑ] 
(the nonnasals used in my own speech), but I'd like a language-independent 
locator too.


Then for example I numbered the above like
  001 = 6 0 1 = [ɶ]
  200 = 4 0 0 = [ɛ]
  511 = 1 1 1 = [ʏ]
  531 = 5 3 1 = [ʊ]

The digits are : row number, column number, subcolumn number. I'd add a 
fourth number that'd toggle nasals (because I need [ɛ̃̃œ̃ø̃ɑ̃ɔ̃õ] to reproduce 
my speech) and perhaps a fifth number that would toggle [ː] but it might 
be more appropriate to write them as a pair of identical vowels 
(especially as some of them mutate to diphtongs in my speech).


I haven't looked much in the analysis part of it yet. I thought I could 
analyse the sound samples, extract their cepstrums, cross-fade them, 
resynthesise using a different envelope and tone... but I haven't tried 
any of that at all in the end (well, maybe I started trying it and it 
didn't work...).


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Re: [PD] IPA Vowel space analyzer

2010-10-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


Then for example I numbered the above like
 001 = 6 0 1 = [ɶ]
 200 = 4 0 0 = [ɛ]
 511 = 1 1 1 = [ʏ]
 531 = 5 3 1 = [ʊ]


sorry, I screwed that one. I had gotten the first digit backwards, and I 
began to fix it and didn't finish. The correct list is :


  001 = 0 0 1 = [ɶ]
  200 = 2 0 0 = [ɛ]
  511 = 5 1 1 = [ʏ]
  531 = 5 3 1 = [ʊ]

else it wouldn't be consistent at all.

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[PD] Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP

2010-10-28 Thread Jamie Bullock

Hi,

On my Macbook Pro (2.5 GHz Core 2 Duo), Pd's idle CPU usage is 15-20%. This is 
really high for an application in idle state.

I get this regardless of the version of Pd I use -- I've tested with 0.42 and 
0.43 latest. The load is in the server, the GUI CPU usage seems quite low.

Does anyone know why this is? Is there anything that can be done to improve the 
situation?

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Re: [PD] Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP

2010-10-28 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen

Hi,

On 28/10/10 16:41, Jamie Bullock wrote:

Pd's idle CPU usage is 15-20%.
Does anyone know why this is?


probably a bug..  you could try using gdb and interrupting Pd to see 
where it is being busy, or some profiling tool (gprof or strace or shark 
(?) or something else).



Is there anything that can be done to improve the situation?


Try turning DSP on and then off again, maybe.


Claude

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[PD] opencv

2010-10-28 Thread Philip Cunningham
Hello list,

I wonder if there are any tutorials available on how to use OpenCV
with Pd? I'm trying to download necessary components using the
following site:
http://www.hangar.org/wikis/lab/doku.php?id=start:puredata_opencv but
having very little luck. Operating system is Ubuntu 10.4.

Best,

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Re: [PD] Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP

2010-10-28 Thread Bernardo Barros
I get this bug since 2005 on the mac...
maybe related to a broad issue in gui-pd communication?

2010/10/28 Claude Heiland-Allen claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org:
 Hi,

 On 28/10/10 16:41, Jamie Bullock wrote:

 Pd's idle CPU usage is 15-20%.
 Does anyone know why this is?

 probably a bug..  you could try using gdb and interrupting Pd to see where
 it is being busy, or some profiling tool (gprof or strace or shark (?) or
 something else).

 Is there anything that can be done to improve the situation?

 Try turning DSP on and then off again, maybe.


 Claude

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Re: [PD] Submitting bug reports for PD test releases

2010-10-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Hey Joe,

We welcome your feedback! The easiest way to report a bug is to go to  
the Help menu, and choose Report a bug.  That'll take you to the  
right place.


.hc

On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Joe White wrote:


Hi all,

 I'm currently using Pd-0.43-0test3 that I downloaded from Miller's  
webpage here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html


I really like the new gui look and other features but I'm  
experiencing a few bugs and issues.


I'm wondering where the correct place to provide feedback for it is  
(or whether that only applies to stable releases?).


I was looking at the sourceforge bug tracker (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=55736atid=478070 
) but this seems to be related to other releases?


Any information would be much appreciated

Thanks,
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Re: [PD] Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP

2010-10-28 Thread brandon zeeb
This thread comes up every year or two, try running Pd with JackOSX instead
of having Pd communicate directly with OS X.  You should see the Pd process
decrease it's CPU usage significantly.

My guess is it's a Pd- PortAudio - OS X thing.

Cheers,
~Brandon

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I get this bug since 2005 on the mac...
 maybe related to a broad issue in gui-pd communication?

 2010/10/28 Claude Heiland-Allen claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org:
  Hi,
 
  On 28/10/10 16:41, Jamie Bullock wrote:
 
  Pd's idle CPU usage is 15-20%.
  Does anyone know why this is?
 
  probably a bug..  you could try using gdb and interrupting Pd to see
 where
  it is being busy, or some profiling tool (gprof or strace or shark (?) or
  something else).
 
  Is there anything that can be done to improve the situation?
 
  Try turning DSP on and then off again, maybe.
 
 
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Re: [PD] Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP

2010-10-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, brandon zeeb wrote:


This thread comes up every year or two,


I'd say at least twice a year... I think I already wrote about it on 
pd-list this autumn, no...? But it's hard to search the archives about the 
frequency of that thread, as the keywords might not be consistent. I just 
know that the problem has existed for quite a few years and that I read 
about it on pd-list more than a handful of times.


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Re: [PD] Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP

2010-10-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote:


I get this bug since 2005 on the mac...
maybe related to a broad issue in gui-pd communication?


You'd have to justify that. I don't think it can have to do with anything 
except the DSP engine and/or PortAudio (did anyone investigate this ?)


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Re: [PD] opencv

2010-10-28 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen

On 28/10/10 17:39, Philip Cunningham wrote:

Hello list,

I wonder if there are any tutorials available on how to use OpenCV
with Pd? I'm trying to download necessary components using the
following site:
http://www.hangar.org/wikis/lab/doku.php?id=start:puredata_opencv but
having very little luck. Operating system is Ubuntu 10.4.


You could try the Puredyne PPA for pd-pdp-opencv (available right 
nownow) and pd-pix-opencv packages (available soon..) for Lucid:


https://launchpad.net/~puredyne-team/+archive/ppa


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Re: [PD] Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP

2010-10-28 Thread Bernardo Barros
sorry for the speculation. I really did not go deeper into this, I
just used linux and less pd.
but 20%cpu is a serious bu anyway.

2010/10/28 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
 On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote:

 I get this bug since 2005 on the mac...
 maybe related to a broad issue in gui-pd communication?

 You'd have to justify that. I don't think it can have to do with anything
 except the DSP engine and/or PortAudio (did anyone investigate this ?)

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Re: [PD] opencv

2010-10-28 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Hi, Search in torrents Learning Open CVOreilly media... the Pd OCV
reserch is based in this book...

Best regards

José

2010/10/28 Claude Heiland-Allen claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org

 On 28/10/10 17:39, Philip Cunningham wrote:

 Hello list,

 I wonder if there are any tutorials available on how to use OpenCV
 with Pd? I'm trying to download necessary components using the
 following site:
 http://www.hangar.org/wikis/lab/doku.php?id=start:puredata_opencv but
 having very little luck. Operating system is Ubuntu 10.4.


 You could try the Puredyne PPA for pd-pdp-opencv (available right nownow)
 and pd-pix-opencv packages (available soon..) for Lucid:

 https://launchpad.net/~puredyne-team/+archive/ppahttps://launchpad.net/%7Epuredyne-team/+archive/ppa


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Re: [PD] Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP

2010-10-28 Thread brandon zeeb
Seriously, use Jack, and watch the CPU usage drop significantly.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Bernardo Barros
bernardobarr...@gmail.comwrote:

 sorry for the speculation. I really did not go deeper into this, I
 just used linux and less pd.
 but 20%cpu is a serious bu anyway.

 2010/10/28 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
  On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote:
 
  I get this bug since 2005 on the mac...
  maybe related to a broad issue in gui-pd communication?
 
  You'd have to justify that. I don't think it can have to do with anything
  except the DSP engine and/or PortAudio (did anyone investigate this ?)
 
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Re: [PD] IPA Vowel space analyzer

2010-10-28 Thread Ed Kelly
I had a go a number of years ago at coding an LPC-based formant detector for 
PD, 
based on the Speech Filing System from University College London. It has since 
remained on my to do list, since I got the object to load but there were 
problems in getting it working (i.e. it didn't, and crashed PD).

In theory, if you can detect the peaks in a Linear Predictive Coding-derive 
polynomial plot, then you can determine the vowel very accurately.

It would be nice to make this work - I'll dig it out and perhaps someone can 
help me understand why it doesn't work (and fix it). I'll dig it out and try to 
GDB it tonight, but I have to feed my child now.

Best,
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Sent: Thu, 28 October, 2010 15:26:05
Subject: Re: [PD] IPA Vowel space analyzer

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

 Then for example I numbered the above like
  001 = 6 0 1 = [ɶ]
  200 = 4 0 0 = [ɛ]
  511 = 1 1 1 = [ʏ]
  531 = 5 3 1 = [ʊ]

sorry, I screwed that one. I had gotten the first digit backwards, and I began 
to fix it and didn't finish. The correct list is :

  001 = 0 0 1 = [ɶ]
  200 = 2 0 0 = [ɛ]
  511 = 5 1 1 = [ʏ]
  531 = 5 3 1 = [ʊ]

else it wouldn't be consistent at all.

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Re: [PD] opencv

2010-10-28 Thread Pagano, Patrick
So far I have not seen anything besides help patches that explain it's use. Has 
anyone at all made a working patch, say a laser tracker? Anything using pix_ or 
pdp_ openCV stuff?




From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Jose 
Luis Santorcuato
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:09 PM
To: Claude Heiland-Allen
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] opencv

Hi, Search in torrents Learning Open CVOreilly media... the Pd OCV reserch 
is based in this book...

Best regards

José
2010/10/28 Claude Heiland-Allen 
claudiusmaxi...@goto10.orgmailto:claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org
On 28/10/10 17:39, Philip Cunningham wrote:
Hello list,

I wonder if there are any tutorials available on how to use OpenCV
with Pd? I'm trying to download necessary components using the
following site:
http://www.hangar.org/wikis/lab/doku.php?id=start:puredata_opencv but
having very little luck. Operating system is Ubuntu 10.4.

You could try the Puredyne PPA for pd-pdp-opencv (available right nownow) and 
pd-pix-opencv packages (available soon..) for Lucid:

https://launchpad.net/~puredyne-team/+archive/ppahttps://launchpad.net/%7Epuredyne-team/+archive/ppa


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Re: [PD] [GEM] MAX texture size and number of objects...

2010-10-28 Thread Luka Princic // Nova deViator
Luka Princic // Nova deViator n...@deviator.si:

 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
  On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
   [gemhead]
   |
   [GEMglGetFloatv GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE]
  or
  [get max_texture_size
|
  [gf/gl]
  
  where [ is a messagebox you click on.
  
  iirc, a [gemwin] must have been opened though.
 
 
 thanks Mathieu and Iohannes.
 both of these worked.

hey, 

this goes on...
if i make a grid 16 squares, each with a different 3840x3840 texture.
how much system RAM i need and how much GPU ram?


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Re: [PD] opencv

2010-10-28 Thread ydego...@gmail.com


there are already some work made with pd_opencv

http://vimeo.com/8195788

i dunno what more explanations you need,
just be curious and inventive

ciao,
sevy

Pagano, Patrick wrote:


So far I have not seen anything besides help patches that explain it’s 
use. Has anyone at all made a working patch, say a laser tracker? 
Anything using pix_ or pdp_ openCV stuff?


*From:* pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] *On 
Behalf Of *Jose Luis Santorcuato

*Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:09 PM
*To:* Claude Heiland-Allen
*Cc:* pd-list@iem.at
*Subject:* Re: [PD] opencv

Hi, Search in torrents Learning Open CVOreilly media... the Pd OCV 
reserch is based in this book...


Best regards

José

2010/10/28 Claude Heiland-Allen claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org 
mailto:claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org


On 28/10/10 17:39, Philip Cunningham wrote:

Hello list,

I wonder if there are any tutorials available on how to use OpenCV
with Pd? I'm trying to download necessary components using the
following site:
http://www.hangar.org/wikis/lab/doku.php?id=start:puredata_opencv but
having very little luck. Operating system is Ubuntu 10.4.

You could try the Puredyne PPA for pd-pdp-opencv (available right 
nownow) and pd-pix-opencv packages (available soon..) for Lucid:


https://launchpad.net/~puredyne-team/+archive/ppa 
https://launchpad.net/%7Epuredyne-team/+archive/ppa



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Re: [PD] [GEM] MAX texture size and number of objects...

2010-10-28 Thread chris clepper
3840x3840 = 14,745,600 pixels

Each pixel is 4 bytes so 14745600 * 4 = 58,982,400 bytes

16 of those would be 943,718,400 bytes

The textures would probably not fit on a 1GB GPU since the VRAM is also used
for the display buffers too.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Luka Princic // Nova deViator 
n...@deviator.si wrote:

 Luka Princic // Nova deViator n...@deviator.si:

  Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
   On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
[gemhead]
|
[GEMglGetFloatv GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE]
   or
   [get max_texture_size
 |
   [gf/gl]
  
   where [ is a messagebox you click on.
  
   iirc, a [gemwin] must have been opened though.
 
 
  thanks Mathieu and Iohannes.
  both of these worked.

 hey,

 this goes on...
 if i make a grid 16 squares, each with a different 3840x3840 texture.
 how much system RAM i need and how much GPU ram?


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Re: [PD] send audio over udp with mrpeach/udpsend~ and mrpeach/udpsend

2010-10-28 Thread padovani

Thank you very much martin... I will continue my tests...

BTW... Pd-extended for mac intel has a non functional udpreceive~ (wrong 
architecture)...


I have compiled it here, but it would be nice to see what is wrong in 
the provided build scripts..


josé

Em 28/10/10 13:15, martin.pe...@sympatico.ca escreveu:




First I tried to send tabdumps with mrpeach/udpsend... It would be nice
to use this one because I could select specific frames to send.
But it seems to not accept the floats from the arrays...

So, now, I am trying to do it with mrpeach/udpsend~, but I am trying to
understand what are exactly the 24 bytes that begin with TAG!



 From udpsend~.h:

typedef struct _tag
{   /* size (bytes) */
 char tag[4];/*  4  */ /*TAG!*/
 char format;/*  1  */
 long count; /*  4  */
 char channels;  /*  1  */
 long framesize; /*  4  */
 char reserved[2];   /*  2  */ /* pad to 16 bytes */
} t_tag;/*-*/
 /* 16  */

If you use [udpreceive~] to a [tabwrite~] you shouldn't need to worry about 
that.
You can send an [info( message to either [udpreceive~] or [udpsend~] to get the 
current values.

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Re: [PD] opencv

2010-10-28 Thread Pagano, Patrick
I would like to make a laser tracker that tracks the points from a red laser 
beam.
I would like to see if I can use pdp_ openCV to track the laser and when I 
hover the laser over some video long enough it acts as a click, is this 
possible?

Thanks for the cool link!



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From: ydego...@gmail.com [mailto:ydego...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:33 PM
To: Pagano, Patrick; PD List
Subject: Re: [PD] opencv


there are already some work made with pd_opencv

http://vimeo.com/8195788

i dunno what more explanations you need,
just be curious and inventive

ciao,
sevy

Pagano, Patrick wrote:

 So far I have not seen anything besides help patches that explain it's 
 use. Has anyone at all made a working patch, say a laser tracker? 
 Anything using pix_ or pdp_ openCV stuff?

 *From:* pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] *On 
 Behalf Of *Jose Luis Santorcuato
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:09 PM
 *To:* Claude Heiland-Allen
 *Cc:* pd-list@iem.at
 *Subject:* Re: [PD] opencv

 Hi, Search in torrents Learning Open CVOreilly media... the Pd OCV 
 reserch is based in this book...

 Best regards

 José

 2010/10/28 Claude Heiland-Allen claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org 
 mailto:claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org

 On 28/10/10 17:39, Philip Cunningham wrote:

 Hello list,

 I wonder if there are any tutorials available on how to use OpenCV
 with Pd? I'm trying to download necessary components using the
 following site:
 http://www.hangar.org/wikis/lab/doku.php?id=start:puredata_opencv but
 having very little luck. Operating system is Ubuntu 10.4.

 You could try the Puredyne PPA for pd-pdp-opencv (available right 
 nownow) and pd-pix-opencv packages (available soon..) for Lucid:

 https://launchpad.net/~puredyne-team/+archive/ppa 
 https://launchpad.net/%7Epuredyne-team/+archive/ppa


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Re: [PD] [GEM] MAX texture size and number of objects...

2010-10-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, chris clepper wrote:


3840x3840 = 14,745,600 pixels


In practice, an image of size 3840x3840 uses a texture of size 4096x4096 
by default. Do you assume that rectangular mode is available and being 
used ?


This makes 16 777 216 pixels, or exactly 1 binary GB for all textures 
together (still not counting display buffers of this app and other apps)


In other words, 1 073 741 824 bytes instead of 943 718 400 bytes.

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Re: [PD] opencv

2010-10-28 Thread Philip Cunningham
I guess my problem is getting opencv libraries installed. I can't
install libhighgui-dev in Ubuntu 10.4 and it appears to be a more
general problem for Ubuntu users. Whilst this might be a more
OS-specific question, I wondered if anyone using Pd and Ubuntu was
able to to do this and how.

Philip

-Original Message-
From: ydegoyon at gmail.com [mailto:ydegoyon at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:33 PM
To: Pagano, Patrick; PD List
Subject: Re: [PD] opencv


there are already some work made with pd_opencv

http://vimeo.com/8195788

i dunno what more explanations you need,
just be curious and inventive

ciao,
sevy

Pagano, Patrick wrote:

 So far I have not seen anything besides help patches that explain it's
 use. Has anyone at all made a working patch, say a laser tracker?
 Anything using pix_ or pdp_ openCV stuff?

 *From:* pd-list-bounces at iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces at iem.at] *On
 Behalf Of *Jose Luis Santorcuato
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:09 PM
 *To:* Claude Heiland-Allen
 *Cc:* pd-list at iem.at
 *Subject:* Re: [PD] opencv

 Hi, Search in torrents Learning Open CVOreilly media... the Pd OCV
 reserch is based in this book...

 Best regards

 José

 2010/10/28 Claude Heiland-Allen claudiusmaximus at goto10.org
 mailto:claudiusmaximus at goto10.org

 On 28/10/10 17:39, Philip Cunningham wrote:

 Hello list,

 I wonder if there are any tutorials available on how to use OpenCV
 with Pd? I'm trying to download necessary components using the
 following site:
 http://www.hangar.org/wikis/lab/doku.php?id=start:puredata_opencv but
 having very little luck. Operating system is Ubuntu 10.4.

 You could try the Puredyne PPA for pd-pdp-opencv (available right
 nownow) and pd-pix-opencv packages (available soon..) for Lucid:

 https://launchpad.net/~puredyne-team/+archive/ppa
 https://launchpad.net/%7Epuredyne-team/+archive/ppa


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Re: [PD] [GEM] MAX texture size and number of objects...

2010-10-28 Thread chris clepper
In my use (Mac OSX) rectangle textures are always used.  They can be used on
Windows and Linux too.  Is there a reason not to?

Either way at least 1GB of RAM or VRAM will be needed just for the pixels.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote:

 On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, chris clepper wrote:

  3840x3840 = 14,745,600 pixels


 In practice, an image of size 3840x3840 uses a texture of size 4096x4096 by
 default. Do you assume that rectangular mode is available and being used ?

 This makes 16 777 216 pixels, or exactly 1 binary GB for all textures
 together (still not counting display buffers of this app and other apps)

 In other words, 1 073 741 824 bytes instead of 943 718 400 bytes.

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 67, Issue 106

2010-10-28 Thread david medine


IOhannes,
Thanks for the input. What is strange is that the 'Media' tab in the 
Menu doesn't list any soundcard atall (not like it did on my former 
Ubuntu system). Also, I tried invoking Pd with the -alsa tag, but Pd 
told me that there is no such tag :(

Still (not) working...
David


  Dear all,

I switched operating systems to Fedora 13 yesterday and it is great,
except that I cannot get Pd to address ALSA. The build goes well, no
errors, and Pd is there and it looks fine, except when I go to 'Audio
settings' the boxes next to input and output are empty. There are no
options to select. I have installed every ALSA package that I can find,
and still no joy. Any ideas? This is a sample what the console reports
during configuration:

per default, Pd uses OSS. you have to manually tell it to use ALSA.
Menu-Media-ALSA

or start Pd with -alsa.

then the audio-menu should list your soundcards (that is: if you have
any; can other (alsa) applications play sound?)


checking tcl.h usability... yes
checking tcl.h presence... yes
checking for tcl.h... yes
checking for main in -ltcl85... no
checking for main in -ltcl8.5... yes
checking for main in -ltk85... no
checking for main in -ltk8.5... yes
 alsa= yes

I find the ''  before alsa to be troubling.

Anyone know how to fix this?



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Re: [PD] dub chords in Pd

2010-10-28 Thread Felix Obée

i recall one simple way to create that effect was to use a delay as send effect 
and then route its output to one channel of the mixer where you could then 
apply the send effect, creating a loop. the delay then could go on almost 
forever, and be manipulated using the eq of the channel. i spent quite some 
time (and dope) with this back then ;-)

ff

Am 28.10.2010 um 12:02 schrieb Roman Haefeli:

 On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 10:16 +0100, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
 Yes, check this:
 
 http://soundcloud.com/bemong/03-rhythm-sound-mango-drive
 
 well, the whole tune, specially at 3' 05
 so those are the dub chords I'm talking about :P
 Sorry for not specifying before,
 
 I _love_ RhythmSound. His tracks are mastered in way that really
 deserves the term mastering. 
 
 There is very much in it which makes the chords sound dubby. Many
 combinations of effect chains are competing with each other. I even
 think that many of the different chords are actually the same sound
 source passed through different fx chains. 
 there is stuff like:
 
 source dry
 source - delay 
 source - tape delay with frequency modulated
 source - reverb
 source - delay - reverb
 source - delay - phaser
 
 I wouldn't be surprised if within some of those chains even dynamic
 compressors were inserted. 
 
 I think organ-like sounds are a good start for a source, but filtered
 phasor chords most certainly will do well either. 
 
 I made some tracks done with the netpd instruments/effects trying to go
 into a similar techno dub oriented direction:
 http://www.romanhaefeli.net/tracks/netpd/2006-03-06_50cm_schnee.mp3
 http://www.romanhaefeli.net/tracks/netpd/2006-08-15_backup_blues.mp3
 
 The chords/fx parts are mainly done  with:
 instruments: oxygen
 fx: rfxlib (mainly rodel and rphase), dynlib (dynamic processing
 library)
 
 The Mixer patch mx lets you create complex chains of fx, which I find is
 crucial for trying those dubby sounds.
 
 Cheers
 Roman
 
 
 
 
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There are many ways to peel that apple, can you post an
example of something
similar to what you're aiming for?
 
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Re: [PD] Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP

2010-10-28 Thread William Brent
I don't know if this point has been raised in past appearances of this
issue, but for the record: I've noticed a drop to less than 10% idle
when I'm running sound out of my MOTU 896 or Ultralite rather than
built-in hardware.

William

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:13 PM, brandon zeeb zeeb.bran...@gmail.com wrote:
 Seriously, use Jack, and watch the CPU usage drop significantly.

 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 sorry for the speculation. I really did not go deeper into this, I
 just used linux and less pd.
 but 20%cpu is a serious bu anyway.

 2010/10/28 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
  On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote:
 
  I get this bug since 2005 on the mac...
  maybe related to a broad issue in gui-pd communication?
 
  You'd have to justify that. I don't think it can have to do with
  anything
  except the DSP engine and/or PortAudio (did anyone investigate this ?)
 
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Re: [PD] [GEM] MAX texture size and number of objects...

2010-10-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, chris clepper wrote:

In my use (Mac OSX) rectangle textures are always used.  They can be 
used on Windows and Linux too.  Is there a reason not to?

Either way at least 1GB of RAM or VRAM will be needed just for the pixels. 


Ah, do you mean that using rectangle textures is only a coordinates thing 
and doesn't affect the memory layout at all, and so 3840x3840 will still 
be stored as 4096x4096 no matter what ?


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Re: [PD] [GEM] MAX texture size and number of objects...

2010-10-28 Thread chris clepper
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote:

 Ah, do you mean that using rectangle textures is only a coordinates thing
 and doesn't affect the memory layout at all, and so 3840x3840 will still be
 stored as 4096x4096 no matter what ?


No, rectangle textures will use pretty much the exact pixel size (usually
the row packing is rounded up to the next 16 byte value for efficiency).

I said you need 1GB because that is the closest value one can actually buy.
2GB would insure no paging to disk or out of VRAM though.
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[PD] GridFlow on Android

2010-10-28 Thread Mathieu Bouchard


Got GridFlow on Android working, with no options at all. Therefore, [#out 
window] does not work, and there's no other form of window output, because 
there is no x11, no quartz, no sdl, no aalib, no tk, no gem and no pdp 
(those are the seven window outputs that GF can support). Seems like we 
will need an 8th one, specifically for Android, unless someone gets Gem or 
PDP to work on that.


The test I made was just to compute a matrix and print it in the console.

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Re: [PD] opencv

2010-10-28 Thread patrick

hi philip,

i don't remember how i compiled it, but here's my vesion for ubuntu 10.4:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1455235/pdopencv.tar.gz

pat

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Re: [PD] opencv

2010-10-28 Thread John Harrison
I compiled pdp_openCV not that long ago on ubuntu 10.4. I don't remember how
I did it but I think that's because it was pretty straightforward and went
without hitch. It all worked pretty well as I recall. No big surprises. The
help patches got me started.

But do you need that for a laser tracker? Seems like pix_subtract and
pix_blob would do the job... Max Neupert has some nice patches using this
technique IIRC:
http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Bewegungsmelder

You could also use pix_blob's color weight inlet effectively since you know
you are looking for red.

-John

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p...@digitalworlds.ufl.eduwrote:

 I would like to make a laser tracker that tracks the points from a red
 laser beam.
 I would like to see if I can use pdp_ openCV to track the laser and when I
 hover the laser over some video long enough it acts as a click, is this
 possible?

 Thanks for the cool link!



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 there are already some work made with pd_opencv

 http://vimeo.com/8195788

 i dunno what more explanations you need,
 just be curious and inventive

 ciao,
 sevy

 Pagano, Patrick wrote:
 
  So far I have not seen anything besides help patches that explain it's
  use. Has anyone at all made a working patch, say a laser tracker?
  Anything using pix_ or pdp_ openCV stuff?
 
  *From:* pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] *On
  Behalf Of *Jose Luis Santorcuato
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:09 PM
  *To:* Claude Heiland-Allen
  *Cc:* pd-list@iem.at
  *Subject:* Re: [PD] opencv
 
  Hi, Search in torrents Learning Open CVOreilly media... the Pd OCV
  reserch is based in this book...
 
  Best regards
 
  José
 
  2010/10/28 Claude Heiland-Allen claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org
  mailto:claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org
 
  On 28/10/10 17:39, Philip Cunningham wrote:
 
  Hello list,
 
  I wonder if there are any tutorials available on how to use OpenCV
  with Pd? I'm trying to download necessary components using the
  following site:
  http://www.hangar.org/wikis/lab/doku.php?id=start:puredata_opencv but
  having very little luck. Operating system is Ubuntu 10.4.
 
  You could try the Puredyne PPA for pd-pdp-opencv (available right
  nownow) and pd-pix-opencv packages (available soon..) for Lucid:
 
  https://launchpad.net/~puredyne-team/+archive/ppahttps://launchpad.net/%7Epuredyne-team/+archive/ppa
  https://launchpad.net/%7Epuredyne-team/+archive/ppa
 
 
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