Re: [PD] Am I alone?
On 03/20/2011 01:28 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Words like beauty and ugliness are commonly used. When we say, I like ugly things, does that make these things wrong? [...] It can if that's part of your morality that you accept (tacitly or not). If you also accept that the concept of music as art is not universal, this is trivial. If on the other hand you have some vague universal view of art, you're probably going need to fill pages and pages of some vague paper explaining how people you've never met who share none of your aesthetic/cultural/social views are, on some vague abstract level, actually adhering to the same vague artistic universal as you. I think the reason for why I answered to this thread in the first place was because the person who started it was making some generalizations on music, which perhaps if we would make a statistical query, probably most people would adhere to. And, I was like probably many others here, reacting against those generalizations. Not that I meant to say, they are wrong. There is a fear against generalizations, because when they are used in practice, in our every day life, even if they work for most people, they may be restrictive and hurtful for others. Also, testing those for truth can be a little difficult, as has been stated in some of the posts on this thread. Generalization and categorization are needed for most people in order to process information. To evaluate information. Not only for individuals, but communities, organizations. That is why I said in an earlier reply, when they are needed for practical purposes, we have no choice. Or, simply, economy will decide. Perhaps Matju is correct when stating: By extension, the word « art » is often used to mean whatever skill is considered unexplainable or mysterious. That wouldn't include interpreting any event as being art. Isn't interpreting something as art what makes it art. Not what creates it? Probably many have problems relating to some terms and words. Art being one of those. How many uses it to describe what they do? Maybe it is because the word is too often used as a generalization that doesn't suite everyone. It's not like the technical difference between a childs palm imprints on a white sheet of paper and Mona Lisa necessarily needs to be that big. Wikipedia about art: Art is the product or process of deliberately arranging items (often with symbolic significance) in a way that influences and affects one or more of the senses, emotions, and intellect. Actually, there is quite a large part dealing with the definition of art on that page, which would reveal that it is not so easy to define these days, while: Aesthetics (also spelled æsthetics or esthetics) is a branch of philosophy dealing with the nature of beauty, art, and taste, and with the creation and appreciation of beauty.[1] It is more scientifically defined as the study of sensory or sensori-emotional values, sometimes called judgments of sentiment and taste.[2] More broadly, scholars in the field define aesthetics as critical reflection on art, culture and nature. and.. It was derived from the Greek αἰσθητικός (aisthetikos, meaning esthetic, sensitive, sentient), which in turn was derived from αἰσθάνομαι (aisthanomai, meaning I perceive, feel, sense At least for me, that makes some sense when making a broad generalization about the process that goes on in the mind, while experiencing something that the mind would interpret as art, or a work of art. Personally I wouldn't use words like beauty or taste, perhaps not even art to describe how that happens. Not being comfortable with making formulations using words, I would rationalize it down to something like: an individual sense of morality, or, making decisions based on sensory-emotional values. A least, that is the lowest level of generalization that I can make, and the only one I really need. Not often do people couple humor with art, which I think is another side to that coin. The tickle in the mind, when confronting with surprising, mystical, absurd things. Conflicts.. And yes, experiencing art is probably different depending on age, cultural identity, a range of things. But, labeling something as art, is probably that + something political, or ideology based, which is probably why the term is so hard to digest. If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach-- you just completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the art is made, reimagine the art as a self-contained, closed work, and just assume that every artist in the world is either another modernist or some primitive outgrowth of a particular process that can be data mined to add a new layer of complexity to a future modernist project. I don't object, but for some people, this is exactly the type of thing that could cause disillusion. Like, for the person who started this thread, perhaps. For me, that would just be one of many approaches. Not something as
Re: [PD] BrightonPD
Oops, sorry for the typo. The next meeting is Sat 26 March 2011 from 2.30pm onwards. This was because the date had to bee changed (copy-paste fail). Thanks Husk 00! Best, Philip On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Husk 00 hus...@gmail.com wrote: En hora buena! congrats philip! cheers husk On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Philip Cunningham pcunningham...@googlemail.com wrote: Greatly inspired by the NYCPatchingCircle (hope you don't mind us using your blurb), a small group of patchers have taken root in the coastal city of Brighton, UK. Our next meeting is at Build Brighton on Thur 26 March 2011 from 2.30pm onwards. The Skiff, 6 Gloucester Street, BN1 4EW. Please come along! http://is.gd/brightonpd Best wishes, Philip Cunningham -- Portfolio: http://philipcunningham.org BrightonPD: http://unsymbol.users.anapnea.net/brightonpd/ Chipmusic: http://firebrandboy.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- when Art become pratical, we call it technology, when Technology become uselesswe call it Art Song hojun www.estereotips.net -- Portfolio: http://philipcunningham.org BrightonPD: http://unsymbol.users.anapnea.net/brightonpd/ Chipmusic: http://firebrandboy.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.43-0 released
hi miller, something is wrong with the source tarball.. tcl scripts don't get installed system wide, pd complains: Error in startup script: couldn't read file /usr/lib/pd/tcl//pd-gui.tcl: no such file or directory there are also two configure scripts, one that's pre-generated in the src folder, and another that can be generated with autogen.sh in the parent folder. both don't have install procedures for the tcl folder. cheers, dmotd On 03/21/2011 12:05 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, Pd version 0.43-0 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm or via git from sourceforge: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data cheers Miller ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.43-0 released
the release notes in the documentation are not updated - is there any info about this version? Jurgen On 21-Mar-2011, at 10:05 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, Pd version 0.43-0 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm or via git from sourceforge: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data cheers Miller ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] iem.at pd-list archive updater is down
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: If you are looking at the pipermail archives on the web, those archives aren't up to date. For example, last recorded pd-list posting was on 10 mars 2011 12:21 UTC. I don't remember whether this has been mentioned on pd-list before, or only on the #dataflow chat. Apparently, this has been fixed now. ... but the mails sent between 10 mars and 19 mars are still missing. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Am I alone?
If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach-- you just completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the art is made, reimagine the art as a self-contained, closed work, and just assume that every artist in the world is either another modernist or some primitive outgrowth of a particular process that can be data mined to add a new layer of complexity to a future modernist project. I don't object, but for some people, this is exactly the type of thing that could cause disillusion. Like, for the person who started this thread, perhaps. For me, that would just be one of many approaches. Not something as fundamental as an ideology, not that we need to define one. The what is music question is the first thing we discuss in my undergraduate composition courses. I usually find that kind of discussion rather crass, but it's important to have it with students who have little experience with modern music beyond Rachmaninov. I have them read some Wittgenstein -- the famous passages at the beginning of the philosophical investigations where he talks about language games and then asks what is a game? and talks about family resemblances. The idea is to explode the essentialist position, which amounts to having tons of sufficient criteria but almost no necessary ones. Then I'm able to refer to the idea throughout the semester when they're inclined not to think of say, music by Ligeti or Berio as music. But really, the whole discussion feels pretty distasteful. Matt ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Am I alone?
I feel I want to put a quote here: Immanuel Kant said that there are two things, that dont have to mean anything. One is music and the other is laughter. John Cage On 03/21/2011 02:49 PM, Matt Barber wrote: If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach-- you just completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the art is made, reimagine the art as a self-contained, closed work, and just assume that every artist in the world is either another modernist or some primitive outgrowth of a particular process that can be data mined to add a new layer of complexity to a future modernist project. I don't object, but for some people, this is exactly the type of thing that could cause disillusion. Like, for the person who started this thread, perhaps. For me, that would just be one of many approaches. Not something as fundamental as an ideology, not that we need to define one. The what is music question is the first thing we discuss in my undergraduate composition courses. I usually find that kind of discussion rather crass, but it's important to have it with students who have little experience with modern music beyond Rachmaninov. I have them read some Wittgenstein -- the famous passages at the beginning of the philosophical investigations where he talks about language games and then asks what is a game? and talks about family resemblances. The idea is to explode the essentialist position, which amounts to having tons of sufficient criteria but almost no necessary ones. Then I'm able to refer to the idea throughout the semester when they're inclined not to think of say, music by Ligeti or Berio as music. But really, the whole discussion feels pretty distasteful. Matt ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Am I alone?
2011/3/21 blackendwh...@web.de: I feel I want to put a quote here: Immanuel Kant said that there are two things, that dont have to mean anything. One is music and the other is laughter. John Cage A nested quote :) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] preQiew: a preview window for Gem
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com wrote: Hi Luca, thanks for sharing this! looks very handy.. However, I'm testing the cpu usage, and I noticed a +50% in the cpu load when creating the preview. I understand [preqiew] run another instance of Pd, but such load is possibly caused by the shared texture... I tested with a [cube] too, with the same result. Does the overload happen with you? M Ehy Marco, thats really depend on the computer are you using. Are you testing on a multicore machine? Try the new version please (see next message) Actually I'm on a netbook and cannot test. thanks husk -- when Art become pratical, we call it technology, when Technology become uselesswe call it Art Song hojun www.estereotips.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] preQiew: a preview window for Gem
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Hi Luca,thanks for sharing this! looks very handy.. However, I'm testing the cpu usage, and I noticed a +50% in the cpu load when creating the preview. I understand [preqiew] run another instance of Pd, but such load is possibly caused by the shared texture... I tested with a [cube] too, with the same result. Does the overload happen with you? I have worse news... If I open preqiew-help.pd, create a preview window, then close that patch, then try to create a new patch, the original 'pdextended' process crashes (Erreur de Segmentation), while its gui survives (why would that be ?) and the 'pdextended -nogui' survives too. But just after that, I noticed that merely opening the patch and closing it, without creating a preview window, also causes a similar weird crash while quitting pd. In that case, though, it looks like the main process «terminated normally» except that it doesn't close the other processes. Ehy Mathieu, thanks for test it! Try the new version please. It uses now [pd~] and the freeze thing doesn't happen anymore. Note that in my case in order to use pd~ I had to compile pd vanilla (0.42-5) because pd~ from extended it's broken to me (it's look for /usr/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui). download it: https://code.autistici.org/trac/planetQ/wiki/preQiew let me know husk __ when Art become pratical, we call it technology, when Technology become uselesswe call it Art Song hojun www.estereotips.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.43-0 released
Hi Miller and other devs, PD 0.43 has an annoying bug... He somehow capture a color from the default color theme system and applies to background color of the canvases. I use Openbox, but I have KDE installed (Arch). I reported this last year, but it seems nobody looked at it... Happy debugging season! :-) Cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fiddle: amplitude scale for individual pitches
Hi, Thank you for the clarifications, and sorry for replying with such a delay to a thread I started myself... On 03/10/2011 07:31 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: Loudness is incorrectly estimated as the fourth root of amplitude (should have been the fourth root of power, equal to the square root of amplitude, Ok so I guess that's why the pitch track's amplitude can be greater than the sound's total amplitude. By the way, I think sigmund~ works way better than fiddle~ on most classes of input signals :) But correct me if I am wrong: with sigmund~ you can't get the total amplitude of a pitch track in a trivial way, can you? You would have to manually sum up the track's components' amplitudes, right? (well in a sense that _is_ trivial) Thanks m. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] preQiew: a preview window for Gem
Hey, yes sorry for not specifying. My machine has 8 i7 processors, nVidia Quadro FX 880M, Ubuntu Lynx (Studio customized). I usually have flawless performance both with video and audio. I get those kind of peaks only when I'm really overloading the machine. Besides, I also experienced the same crashed that Mathieu mentioned. I'm gonna check the next release and update you. cheers! M On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Husk 00 hus...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com wrote: Hi Luca, thanks for sharing this! looks very handy.. However, I'm testing the cpu usage, and I noticed a +50% in the cpu load when creating the preview. I understand [preqiew] run another instance of Pd, but such load is possibly caused by the shared texture... I tested with a [cube] too, with the same result. Does the overload happen with you? M Ehy Marco, thats really depend on the computer are you using. Are you testing on a multicore machine? Try the new version please (see next message) Actually I'm on a netbook and cannot test. thanks husk -- when Art become pratical, we call it technology, when Technology become uselesswe call it Art Song hojun www.estereotips.net -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fiddle: amplitude scale for individual pitches
are you looking for env~? Sigmund has that option too. J On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thank you for the clarifications, and sorry for replying with such a delay to a thread I started myself... On 03/10/2011 07:31 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: Loudness is incorrectly estimated as the fourth root of amplitude (should have been the fourth root of power, equal to the square root of amplitude, Ok so I guess that's why the pitch track's amplitude can be greater than the sound's total amplitude. By the way, I think sigmund~ works way better than fiddle~ on most classes of input signals :) But correct me if I am wrong: with sigmund~ you can't get the total amplitude of a pitch track in a trivial way, can you? You would have to manually sum up the track's components' amplitudes, right? (well in a sense that _is_ trivial) Thanks m. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jaime E Oliver LR www.jaimeoliver.pe 858 750 0924 (cel) 858 202 1522 (home) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] preQiew: a preview window for Gem
On Mar 21, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Husk 00 wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Hi Luca,thanks for sharing this! looks very handy.. However, I'm testing the cpu usage, and I noticed a +50% in the cpu load when creating the preview. I understand [preqiew] run another instance of Pd, but such load is possibly caused by the shared texture... I tested with a [cube] too, with the same result. Does the overload happen with you? I have worse news... If I open preqiew-help.pd, create a preview window, then close that patch, then try to create a new patch, the original 'pdextended' process crashes (Erreur de Segmentation), while its gui survives (why would that be ?) and the 'pdextended -nogui' survives too. But just after that, I noticed that merely opening the patch and closing it, without creating a preview window, also causes a similar weird crash while quitting pd. In that case, though, it looks like the main process «terminated normally» except that it doesn't close the other processes. Ehy Mathieu, thanks for test it! Try the new version please. It uses now [pd~] and the freeze thing doesn't happen anymore. Note that in my case in order to use pd~ I had to compile pd vanilla (0.42-5) because pd~ from extended it's broken to me (it's look for /usr/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui). download it: https://code.autistici.org/trac/planetQ/wiki/preQiew let me know husk Worked for me on Mac OS X 10.5.8/Intel, that's a nice hack! .hc It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] BrightonPD
Hi Philip great to see UK pd happenings- in future if I get out of Brirmingham I'll come patch some time :) On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Philip Cunningham pcunningham...@googlemail.com wrote: Oops, sorry for the typo. The next meeting is Sat 26 March 2011 from 2.30pm onwards. This was because the date had to bee changed (copy-paste fail). Thanks Husk 00! Best, Philip On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Husk 00 hus...@gmail.com wrote: En hora buena! congrats philip! cheers husk On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Philip Cunningham pcunningham...@googlemail.com wrote: Greatly inspired by the NYCPatchingCircle (hope you don't mind us using your blurb), a small group of patchers have taken root in the coastal city of Brighton, UK. Our next meeting is at Build Brighton on Thur 26 March 2011 from 2.30pm onwards. The Skiff, 6 Gloucester Street, BN1 4EW. Please come along! http://is.gd/brightonpd Best wishes, Philip Cunningham -- Portfolio: http://philipcunningham.org BrightonPD: http://unsymbol.users.anapnea.net/brightonpd/ Chipmusic: http://firebrandboy.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- when Art become pratical, we call it technology, when Technology become uselesswe call it Art Song hojun www.estereotips.net -- Portfolio: http://philipcunningham.org BrightonPD: http://unsymbol.users.anapnea.net/brightonpd/ Chipmusic: http://firebrandboy.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fiddle: amplitude scale for individual pitches
On 03/21/2011 07:32 PM, Jaime Oliver wrote: are you looking for env~? Sigmund has that option too. Both env~ and the env option of sigmund~ measure the overall amplitude of the signal. Fiddle~ measure the amplitude of the/each detected pitch track only, i.e. more or less the sum of the amplitudes of the sinusoidal components that make up the pitch track. If you're following one or more pitches within a noisy signal that makes a big difference. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Am I alone?
On 03/21/2011 02:49 PM, Matt Barber wrote: If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach-- you just completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the art is made, reimagine the art as a self-contained, closed work, and just assume that every artist in the world is either another modernist or some primitive outgrowth of a particular process that can be data mined to add a new layer of complexity to a future modernist project. I don't object, but for some people, this is exactly the type of thing that could cause disillusion. Like, for the person who started this thread, perhaps. For me, that would just be one of many approaches. Not something as fundamental as an ideology, not that we need to define one. The what is music question is the first thing we discuss in my undergraduate composition courses. I usually find that kind of discussion rather crass, but it's important to have it with students who have little experience with modern music beyond Rachmaninov. I have them read some Wittgenstein -- the famous passages at the beginning of the philosophical investigations where he talks about language games and then asks what is a game? and talks about family resemblances. The idea is to explode the essentialist position, which amounts to having tons of sufficient criteria but almost no necessary ones. Then I'm able to refer to the idea throughout the semester when they're inclined not to think of say, music by Ligeti or Berio as music. But really, the whole discussion feels pretty distasteful. Matt ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list In retrospect I was afraid, partly because of my bad English, I had made a few remarks that were not very clear, and that they would be easily misunderstood. Or even offensive to someone. However, I would be interested to know what you mean by this discussion being distasteful. -- ailo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] preQiew: a preview window for Gem
Worked here on MAC OSX 10.6.6 Nice pp On 3/21/11 2:59 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Mar 21, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Husk 00 wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Hi Luca,thanks for sharing this! looks very handy.. However, I'm testing the cpu usage, and I noticed a +50% in the cpu load when creating the preview. I understand [preqiew] run another instance of Pd, but such load is possibly caused by the shared texture... I tested with a [cube] too, with the same result. Does the overload happen with you? I have worse news... If I open preqiew-help.pd, create a preview window, then close that patch, then try to create a new patch, the original 'pdextended' process crashes (Erreur de Segmentation), while its gui survives (why would that be ?) and the 'pdextended -nogui' survives too. But just after that, I noticed that merely opening the patch and closing it, without creating a preview window, also causes a similar weird crash while quitting pd. In that case, though, it looks like the main process «terminated normally» except that it doesn't close the other processes. Ehy Mathieu, thanks for test it! Try the new version please. It uses now [pd~] and the freeze thing doesn't happen anymore. Note that in my case in order to use pd~ I had to compile pd vanilla (0.42-5) because pd~ from extended it's broken to me (it's look for /usr/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui). download it: https://code.autistici.org/trac/planetQ/wiki/preQiew let me know husk Worked for me on Mac OS X 10.5.8/Intel, that's a nice hack! .hc -- -- It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Formation Pure Data - Québec - Canada - 26 - 27 Mars
26 et 27 mars 2011 de 9 h à 17 h /// 150$ + tx et adhésion /// Formateur: Thomas Thiery Le matériel est fourni, mais les ordinateurs portables sont les bienvenus! Après avoir présenté un panorama de quelques projets réalisés sous Pure Data, cet atelier s'attardera d’abord sur les bases de la programmation dans ce langage. Dans une deuxième partie, il s’intéressera à la génération et la manipulation sonore (synthèse, lecture non linéaire). Les stagiaires devront être à l'aise avec les outils informatiques, avoir envie d'apprendre un langage de programmation et posséder quelques bases en mathématique de niveau début Cégep. Ils devront aussi avoir une pratique artistique autour du son et/ou de la vidéo ou avoir l’envie d’expérimenter. Pure data est un langage de programmation graphique orienté temps réel dédié à la création sonore et visuelle. Pour suivre une formation à LA CHAMBRE BLANCHE, vous devez d’abord vous inscrire comme membre producteur du centre au coût de 50$ + tx (valide pour un an). Vos avantages? - Suivre gratuitement un workshop de votre choix par année d’inscription. - Bénéficier de l’accès au laboratoire de création sur le Web. - Bénéficier de prix avantageux la location d’équipement. - Recevoir par courriel les invitations aux résidences et aux activités de notre programmation. - Profiter du service de prêt de documents au centre de documentation. - Accéder à un réseau privilégié d’information concernant les bourses, appels d’offres et résidences d’artistes au Québec et à l’étranger. INFORMATION ET INSCRIPTION format...@chambreblanche.qc.ca (418) 529-2715 puredata.info ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 29th March 2011
Hello, next tuesday, 29th March 2011, will be the next meeting of Pure Data users in Berlin at NK (http://www.nkprojekt.de/) - Elsenstr. 52, 2HH 2Etage. For more information, look up http://puredata.info/community/organization/pd-berlin/pd-berlin-users-group. We also encourage you to take an active part, and put up suggestions for topics you want to talk about / topics you want to be talked about. Doors are open from 20h-20h15. After that they'll be closed, and you will have to call someone from the Pd-meeting to get in. To get a telephone number to call or confirm assistance you can write to info_at_minitronics.net. Please, don´t call to the staff of NK to open the doors. They let us use the space but we have to take care about having the meeting without producing any disturbance to them, and to clean the space after the meeting. We would apreciate if you would send us a small mail to info_at_minitronics.net with your name, Pd experience and interests, so that we know how many people might be coming. Or put your name in the pd-berlin wiki page. We would like to thank the support and willingness of NK in the organization of these events. João Pais ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] BrightonPD
Great, the more patching circles, the better. I'm glad the text was useful, it was actually made from other people's texts as well, so its a good free text. .hc On Mar 21, 2011, at 3:15 PM, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Hi Philip great to see UK pd happenings- in future if I get out of Brirmingham I'll come patch some time :) On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Philip Cunningham pcunningham...@googlemail.com wrote: Oops, sorry for the typo. The next meeting is Sat 26 March 2011 from 2.30pm onwards. This was because the date had to bee changed (copy-paste fail). Thanks Husk 00! Best, Philip On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Husk 00 hus...@gmail.com wrote: En hora buena! congrats philip! cheers husk On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Philip Cunningham pcunningham...@googlemail.com wrote: Greatly inspired by the NYCPatchingCircle (hope you don't mind us using your blurb), a small group of patchers have taken root in the coastal city of Brighton, UK. Our next meeting is at Build Brighton on Thur 26 March 2011 from 2.30pm onwards. The Skiff, 6 Gloucester Street, BN1 4EW. Please come along! http://is.gd/brightonpd Best wishes, Philip Cunningham -- Portfolio: http://philipcunningham.org BrightonPD: http://unsymbol.users.anapnea.net/brightonpd/ Chipmusic: http://firebrandboy.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- when Art become pratical, we call it technology, when Technology become uselesswe call it Art Song hojun www.estereotips.net -- Portfolio: http://philipcunningham.org BrightonPD: http://unsymbol.users.anapnea.net/brightonpd/ Chipmusic: http://firebrandboy.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] buttonbar plugin under Windows
Hey Gaurav, Thanks for reporting this bug, I cc'ed the pd-list since it is a topic of general interest. It seems that the package 'base64' is not included in the Windows installer, that's why this doesn't work. GUI plugins will only work with 0.43 or newer, so 0.42.5 won't work. I put it on my TODO list to see about including 'base64' with the Windows installer. .hc On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:56 PM, gaurav chadha wrote: dear hans, hello i wish this small note of mine finds you well. i wrote to you some time ago. i just wanted to follow up with you on the present situation -of my endeavour to see the button bar. i got the button bar from this link http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/buttonbar i have put the button-bar.tcl in the folders as mentioned on this web-page http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help- files i have also been read through the discussion on this link http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg40751.html when i run the pd 0.43 build 26 feb, i get the following response in the main pd window... and ofcourse no button bar. i also have the pd extended 0.42.5 version installed. i am running a windows xp sp3. i have also posted this on the pd forums at the link http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=22716#p22716 --- UNHANDLED ERROR: can't find package base64 while executing package require base64 (uplevel body line 8) invoked from within uplevel #0 $tclcode FAILED TO LOAD C:/Program Files/Common Files/Pd/buttonbar-plugin.tcl --- --- UNHANDLED ERROR: can't find package base64 while executing package require base64 (uplevel body line 8) invoked from within uplevel #0 $tclcode FAILED TO LOAD C:/Documents and Settings/Gaurav/Application Data/PD/ buttonbar-plugin.tcl --- Gem: can't load library libdir_loader: added 'cyclone' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'zexy' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'creb' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'cxc' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'iemlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'list-abs' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'mapping' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'markex' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'maxlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'memento' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'mjlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'motex' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'oscx' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pddp' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pdogg' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pixeltango' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'rradical' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sigpack' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'smlib' to the global objectclass path toxy: can't load library unauthorized: can't load library vbap - v1.0.3.1 - 20 Nov 2010 - (c) Ville Pulkki 1999-2006 (Pd port by HCS) libdir_loader: added 'pan' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'hcs' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'jmmmp' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ext13' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ggee' to the global objectclass path flib: can't load library libdir_loader: added 'ekext' to the global objectclass path flatspace: can't load library i'll be grateful if you could give me some advice regarding this, thanks a lot for your time, regards, gaurav On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:06 AM, gaurav chadha gauravk.cha...@gmail.com wrote: dear hans, thanks a lot for your mail. I am very greatfull for your reply. I will download the nightly build and and post on the pd list. warm regards gaurav On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote: Hey Guarav, I got Pd-extended 0.43 building on Windows today and am trying to fix the last issues so that'll run. Please try the nightly build tomorrow and see if it works for you. But this is not a release, it is still very much in development. And post to the pd-list with any problems, and we can deal with them there. There are many people on that list that can answer your questions, including me :) .hc On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:49 PM, gaurav chadha wrote: dear hans, hello, hope this small mail of mine finds you well. i apologise to you for sending you this mail.. as it is quite insignificant and may be a waste to your time.. but i'll be grateful to you if you reply. would you be able to tell me when will the pd extended 0.43 for windows be released. I am keen to know as i read that the whole gui has been made over and this is a big help for the beginners in pd. will all the elements in the put menu have their own icons and be
Re: [PD] fiddle: amplitude scale for individual pitches
Doesn't the 'peaks and/or tracks' bit if sigmund~ do that? On 21 March 2011 19:19, Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.comwrote: On 03/21/2011 07:32 PM, Jaime Oliver wrote: are you looking for env~? Sigmund has that option too. Both env~ and the env option of sigmund~ measure the overall amplitude of the signal. Fiddle~ measure the amplitude of the/each detected pitch track only, i.e. more or less the sum of the amplitudes of the sinusoidal components that make up the pitch track. If you're following one or more pitches within a noisy signal that makes a big difference. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Am I alone?
If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach-- you just completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the art is made, reimagine the art as a self-contained, closed work, and just assume that every artist in the world is either another modernist or some primitive outgrowth of a particular process that can be data mined to add a new layer of complexity to a future modernist project. I don't object, but for some people, this is exactly the type of thing that could cause disillusion. Like, for the person who started this thread, perhaps. For me, that would just be one of many approaches. Not something as fundamental as an ideology, not that we need to define one. The what is music question is the first thing we discuss in my undergraduate composition courses. I usually find that kind of discussion rather crass, but it's important to have it with students who have little experience with modern music beyond Rachmaninov. I have them read some Wittgenstein -- the famous passages at the beginning of the philosophical investigations where he talks about language games and then asks what is a game? and talks about family resemblances. The idea is to explode the essentialist position, which amounts to having tons of sufficient criteria but almost no necessary ones. Then I'm able to refer to the idea throughout the semester when they're inclined not to think of say, music by Ligeti or Berio as music. But really, the whole discussion feels pretty distasteful. Matt In retrospect I was afraid, partly because of my bad English, I had made a few remarks that were not very clear, and that they would be easily misunderstood. Or even offensive to someone. However, I would be interested to know what you mean by this discussion being distasteful. -- ailo My apologies for that remark -- it's not quite how I meant it. I did not mean this particular discussion or anything anyone here said. What I mean is that the broad what is music discussion overall tends to annoy me and make me sad, sick at heart, etc. In fact it's one that I quite enjoy when the parties are discussing responsibly and in good faith. I suppose I feel the same way about the is there a god or what is god question -- it can be a fun and sometimes even fruitful discussion, but most often there is astonishingly little new territory to cover, many reasons for nasty partisan disputes and so forth. I guess I've had too many potentially distasteful conversations turn to actually distasteful ones, so the discussion (in the broad sense) feels distasteful to me. Nothing any of you have said have made me sad yet. Matt ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Generative Pure Data based internet radio
The stream has been running fine as far as i can tell. I've had a go at adding a flash player to the site but it doesn't seem to work so well. generally I listen to it using VLC which works fine. The patches are just randomly chosen by the python script. so not really truly random, but random enough. it won't play the same patch twice in a row but otherwise it could be any of the ones that are in the pool. just added numbers 27, 28 and 29 that other people have contributed so there's now about five hours of audio there without repeating patches. On 20 March 2011 22:17, Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The play seems to be down at the moment (it looks like the browser is DLing the stream, never ending). I was wondering how you determine when to end a playing patch and start the next one? thanks On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:40 AM, David Guy John d.guyj...@googlemail.comwrote: aahhh i see, Indeed it is just a matter of having the meta data updated every time a new patch is loaded, this used to happen but i found i was having issues with the python control script dieing when it was updated. i turned it off and have meant to come back and look at it but just not gotten round to it. Currently the front page shows the current and previous patches in the sidebar but it's not dynamic so less than ideal. On 20 March 2011 21:09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011, David Guy John wrote: There's a page for contributors on the site and also one with a list of all the patches, how many plays for each, who made it and also a download for a tar file that contains the patches in a stand alone format here's a link to the latter What I mean is to specifically know the name of each patch as it is playing, so that when someone listens to something, they can look it up and find the patch without having to go through all of them. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Guy John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie -- Guy John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd 0.43-0 released
On Mar 21, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote: Hi Miller and other devs, PD 0.43 has an annoying bug... He somehow capture a color from the default color theme system and applies to background color of the canvases. I use Openbox, but I have KDE installed (Arch). I reported this last year, but it seems nobody looked at it... Happy debugging season! :-) Cheers Try fixing it with a GUI plugin: - make a new file, call it ANYTHING-plugin.tcl, replace ANYTHING with what you want to call it - save this file into your externals path: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files - try adding this line to your ANYTHING-plugin.tcl file: option add *PatchWindow*Canvas.background blue You can see an example here: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/scripts/guiplugins/simple_examples/gtklook-plugin.tcl?revision=15038view=markup .hc “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Generative Pure Data based internet radio
The stream plays fine in VLC indeed, but the streams on the site just keep on buffering for me too (FF4.0/OSX10.5.8). Great work btw! jm On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM, David Guy John d.guyj...@googlemail.comwrote: The stream has been running fine as far as i can tell. I've had a go at adding a flash player to the site but it doesn't seem to work so well. generally I listen to it using VLC which works fine. The patches are just randomly chosen by the python script. so not really truly random, but random enough. it won't play the same patch twice in a row but otherwise it could be any of the ones that are in the pool. just added numbers 27, 28 and 29 that other people have contributed so there's now about five hours of audio there without repeating patches. On 20 March 2011 22:17, Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The play seems to be down at the moment (it looks like the browser is DLing the stream, never ending). I was wondering how you determine when to end a playing patch and start the next one? thanks On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:40 AM, David Guy John d.guyj...@googlemail.com wrote: aahhh i see, Indeed it is just a matter of having the meta data updated every time a new patch is loaded, this used to happen but i found i was having issues with the python control script dieing when it was updated. i turned it off and have meant to come back and look at it but just not gotten round to it. Currently the front page shows the current and previous patches in the sidebar but it's not dynamic so less than ideal. On 20 March 2011 21:09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011, David Guy John wrote: There's a page for contributors on the site and also one with a list of all the patches, how many plays for each, who made it and also a download for a tar file that contains the patches in a stand alone format here's a link to the latter What I mean is to specifically know the name of each patch as it is playing, so that when someone listens to something, they can look it up and find the patch without having to go through all of them. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Guy John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie -- Guy John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jean-Michel Dumas, Directeur Technique Université de Montréal, iACT / Faculté de Musique jm.du...@umontreal.ca jm.du...@umontreal.catél. 514-343-2172 | téléc. 514-343-5727 http://www.iact.umontreal.ca ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Am I alone?
On 03/21/2011 11:47 PM, Matt Barber wrote: My apologies for that remark -- it's not quite how I meant it. I did not mean this particular discussion or anything anyone here said. What I mean is that the broad what is music discussion overall tends to annoy me and make me sad, sick at heart, etc. In fact it's one that I quite enjoy when the parties are discussing responsibly and in good faith. I suppose I feel the same way about the is there a god or what is god question -- it can be a fun and sometimes even fruitful discussion, but most often there is astonishingly little new territory to cover, many reasons for nasty partisan disputes and so forth. I guess I've had too many potentially distasteful conversations turn to actually distasteful ones, so the discussion (in the broad sense) feels distasteful to me. Nothing any of you have said have made me sad yet. Matt That makes me feel better. I suppose this is a subject that doesn't necessarily belong on this list and most answers on this thread give away the reluctance to discuss it. I don't know if that is a good or a bad thing. Anyway, starts to feel like swimming upstream :). -- ailo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] preQiew: a preview window for Gem
Idem, no problem with OS.X 10.6 nice p Le 21 mars 2011 à 19:59, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : On Mar 21, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Husk 00 wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Hi Luca,thanks for sharing this! looks very handy.. However, I'm testing the cpu usage, and I noticed a +50% in the cpu load when creating the preview. I understand [preqiew] run another instance of Pd, but such load is possibly caused by the shared texture... I tested with a [cube] too, with the same result. Does the overload happen with you? I have worse news... If I open preqiew-help.pd, create a preview window, then close that patch, then try to create a new patch, the original 'pdextended' process crashes (Erreur de Segmentation), while its gui survives (why would that be ?) and the 'pdextended -nogui' survives too. But just after that, I noticed that merely opening the patch and closing it, without creating a preview window, also causes a similar weird crash while quitting pd. In that case, though, it looks like the main process «terminated normally» except that it doesn't close the other processes. Ehy Mathieu, thanks for test it! Try the new version please. It uses now [pd~] and the freeze thing doesn't happen anymore. Note that in my case in order to use pd~ I had to compile pd vanilla (0.42-5) because pd~ from extended it's broken to me (it's look for /usr/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui). download it: https://code.autistici.org/trac/planetQ/wiki/preQiew let me know husk Worked for me on Mac OS X 10.5.8/Intel, that's a nice hack! .hc It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
