Re: [PD] Pd on ARM devices
Thank you all for your encouraging replies. @Scott : I 'm also wondering what the Pi is capable of dsp-wise. @Charles : I don't know the power of the dark side, but I'm dying to learn more about it! I guess we'll continue this thread when one of us managed to get his hand on a Pi. Pierre. 2012/3/1 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at There are some fedora packages of pd floating around. It would be great for someone to update them and include them in the pure-data SVN or some repo somewhere. Also, if someone makes a fedora package .spec file for the Library Template, it'll be really easy to package lots of other libraries for Fedora. If you get Debian running on the Pi, then just apt-get install puredata. .hc On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Scott R. Looney wrote: i figure it won't be too long before nearly everyone including planet CCRMA has a build going specifically for the Pi. there' s a very good chance the Pi Foundation can license the design to other makers, so by May or so i'd bet a number of different places will have them in stock. the biggest issue for me is how much DSP performance you get out of something whose speed matches the iPhone 3GS. the awesome thing would be to put their display engine to work doing DSP but i think that's a long way down the line if ever due to the limited API access. i started a thread about this a bit ago and if i remember, the falling down point of ARM was that it didn't handle floating point well. i'd be curious how much these devices could be pushed. scott On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/29 Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Dear List, I'm planning to buy a Raspberry Pi sometime soon, and I'd like to know the implications of the ARM11 chip on the use of Pd. I know nothing about the differences in architectures, so i'd like to know : - why an ARM chip would be a problem for compiling, installing and running Pd, It's not a problem--Pd compiles and runs on the arm architecture. Android devices for example have arm processors. Debian pure data packages are available for arm. That's good news! I suppose Debian packages can't be installed in Fedora, can they? No--planet CCRMA has some i386 pd packages, but not arm. If you want to run Fedora and Pd, you will need to compile it.If only you knew the power of the dark side, and by dark side, I mean Debian. If you didn't get your pre-order in time for this batch, you'll have to wait a month, I bet. By the time I got to work this morning, it was too late. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on ARM devices
I'm not sure how easy it is to generalize ARM platforms though. The processor in the RasPi is an ARM11, compared to for instance the Cortex-A found in beagleboards and other devices it has quite a reduced instruction set and doesn't support stuff like NEON, which can be very beneficial for media applications (not sure if Pd could make use of it though). Talking about ARM personally, I'm interested in getting PD and Gem (preferably pd-extended) running on the Pandora, which has a Cortex-A8 like the beagleboard. I have tried the debian package here http://enchevetres.org/doku.php?id=tek:puredata inside the pandebian program (a chroot to run debian packages for the pandora os), but the program was completely unusable. If anyone has success getting pd-extended compiled for Cortex-A8 from source I'm very much interested in any tips. Alexander On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all for your encouraging replies. @Scott : I 'm also wondering what the Pi is capable of dsp-wise. @Charles : I don't know the power of the dark side, but I'm dying to learn more about it! I guess we'll continue this thread when one of us managed to get his hand on a Pi. Pierre. 2012/3/1 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at There are some fedora packages of pd floating around. It would be great for someone to update them and include them in the pure-data SVN or some repo somewhere. Also, if someone makes a fedora package .spec file for the Library Template, it'll be really easy to package lots of other libraries for Fedora. If you get Debian running on the Pi, then just apt-get install puredata. .hc On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Scott R. Looney wrote: i figure it won't be too long before nearly everyone including planet CCRMA has a build going specifically for the Pi. there' s a very good chance the Pi Foundation can license the design to other makers, so by May or so i'd bet a number of different places will have them in stock. the biggest issue for me is how much DSP performance you get out of something whose speed matches the iPhone 3GS. the awesome thing would be to put their display engine to work doing DSP but i think that's a long way down the line if ever due to the limited API access. i started a thread about this a bit ago and if i remember, the falling down point of ARM was that it didn't handle floating point well. i'd be curious how much these devices could be pushed. scott On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/29 Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Dear List, I'm planning to buy a Raspberry Pi sometime soon, and I'd like to know the implications of the ARM11 chip on the use of Pd. I know nothing about the differences in architectures, so i'd like to know : - why an ARM chip would be a problem for compiling, installing and running Pd, It's not a problem--Pd compiles and runs on the arm architecture. Android devices for example have arm processors. Debian pure data packages are available for arm. That's good news! I suppose Debian packages can't be installed in Fedora, can they? No--planet CCRMA has some i386 pd packages, but not arm. If you want to run Fedora and Pd, you will need to compile it. If only you knew the power of the dark side, and by dark side, I mean Debian. If you didn't get your pre-order in time for this batch, you'll have to wait a month, I bet. By the time I got to work this morning, it was too late. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] PD all week in Nantes/FR - Blank Pages Modules du bang!
! Some PD action this week in Nantes/FR ! Thursday March the 1st BLANK PAGES - LIVE CODING NIGHT! Audio-visual - coding - puredata - libre session 2 = blank pages - puredata session 2 = free form vs free code Score: 60 minutes Puredata Page blanche No load No save http://www.blankpages.fr/ 8.30pm - libre price - Plateforme intermédia - La Fabrique // -Les Modules du BANG! : Puredata modular artistic researches -Saturday 3rd of March - Julien Ottavi Free entrance - Plateforme intermédia - La Fabrique - 2.30pm APO33 APO33, as an interdisciplinary laboratory drawing on the artistic and technological fields, fosters various collective projects associating research, experimentation and social intervention. In the continuity of the dynamics that has been opened by the free software movement, apo33 is structured as a modular space, initiating collaborative projects and creative processes, as well as exploring new artistic and creative modes of production and diffusion. http://www.apo33.org/ i...@apo33.org 17 rue Paul Bellamy 44000 Nantes France +33 02 51 89 47 16 APO33/ Plateforme intermédia La Fabrique - plateforme Intermédia Boulevard Léon Bureau 44000 Nantes mail : platefo...@apo33.org -- APO33 space of research and experimentation http://www.apo33.org i...@apo33.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Gem/Gridflow with PdDriod Party ...possible?
Hi list I've been playing around with the very excellent PdDriod Party and I was thinking if there was a way to have visuals incorpertated into the patchs with Gem/Gridflow? I am may tryout impeding libpd into a processing andriod sketch but wanted to just enquire about Gem/Gridflow :] Thanks all Alan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Gem/Gridflow with PdDriod Party ...possible?
Hi Alan from my knowledge it's not possible. Concerning the processing side of thins there is a library for processing useable on linux and mac, that uses Jack. It works great. They are working on making an android processing library. But right now you can't use libpd in processing to create apk from the processing IDE. Your best bet for now is eclipse+android sdk+libpd+processing, and there is a tutorial right here http://noisepages.com/groups/pd-everywhere/forum/topic/libpd-processing-android-tutorial/ Cheers Bérenger 2012/3/1 ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com Hi list I've been playing around with the very excellent PdDriod Party and I was thinking if there was a way to have visuals incorpertated into the patchs with Gem/Gridflow? I am may tryout impeding libpd into a processing andriod sketch but wanted to just enquire about Gem/Gridflow :] Thanks all Alan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [OT] openstomp ... PD pedal?
has anyone seen this: http://openstomp.com my fantasy would be such a thing that would run PD patches. it would have to be quality and made of metal not shitty and made of plastic i think hardoff had mentioned something similar a bit back maybe easier now with libpd? if someone makes it ill buy one m ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] openstomp ... PD pedal?
Holy shoot, I've been wanting to build something similar for years! Pierre 2012/3/1 m.e.grimm megr...@gmail.com has anyone seen this: http://openstomp.com my fantasy would be such a thing that would run PD patches. it would have to be quality and made of metal not shitty and made of plastic i think hardoff had mentioned something similar a bit back maybe easier now with libpd? if someone makes it ill buy one m ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] openstomp ... PD pedal?
It doesn't seem to have had much success... Listening to the few sound samples on the web I can understand why. Technically it looks like a brilliant achievement, but he seems to have written and designed everything by himself, and his software is probably nowhere as powerful and felxible as Pd. The issue with Pd is that building such a pedal would require a small computer with a fast CPU for real-time processing, as well as an equally small adc/dac. I don't think that the necessary hardware is available right now (or at least affordable). I think I'll have to stick to the old laptop+soundcard+footcontroller setup for some more time (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com)! Pierre. 2012/3/1 Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com Holy shoot, I've been wanting to build something similar for years! Pierre 2012/3/1 m.e.grimm megr...@gmail.com has anyone seen this: http://openstomp.com my fantasy would be such a thing that would run PD patches. it would have to be quality and made of metal not shitty and made of plastic i think hardoff had mentioned something similar a bit back maybe easier now with libpd? if someone makes it ill buy one m ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on ARM devices
If you have Debian running on the Beagleboard, building Pd-extended should just be a matter of following the standard Debian instructions. Start with BuildingPdExtended on puredata.info. .hc On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:36 AM, dreamer wrote: I'm not sure how easy it is to generalize ARM platforms though. The processor in the RasPi is an ARM11, compared to for instance the Cortex-A found in beagleboards and other devices it has quite a reduced instruction set and doesn't support stuff like NEON, which can be very beneficial for media applications (not sure if Pd could make use of it though). Talking about ARM personally, I'm interested in getting PD and Gem (preferably pd-extended) running on the Pandora, which has a Cortex-A8 like the beagleboard. I have tried the debian package here http://enchevetres.org/doku.php?id=tek:puredata inside the pandebian program (a chroot to run debian packages for the pandora os), but the program was completely unusable. If anyone has success getting pd-extended compiled for Cortex-A8 from source I'm very much interested in any tips. Alexander On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all for your encouraging replies. @Scott : I 'm also wondering what the Pi is capable of dsp-wise. @Charles : I don't know the power of the dark side, but I'm dying to learn more about it! I guess we'll continue this thread when one of us managed to get his hand on a Pi. Pierre. 2012/3/1 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at There are some fedora packages of pd floating around. It would be great for someone to update them and include them in the pure-data SVN or some repo somewhere. Also, if someone makes a fedora package .spec file for the Library Template, it'll be really easy to package lots of other libraries for Fedora. If you get Debian running on the Pi, then just apt-get install puredata. .hc On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Scott R. Looney wrote: i figure it won't be too long before nearly everyone including planet CCRMA has a build going specifically for the Pi. there' s a very good chance the Pi Foundation can license the design to other makers, so by May or so i'd bet a number of different places will have them in stock. the biggest issue for me is how much DSP performance you get out of something whose speed matches the iPhone 3GS. the awesome thing would be to put their display engine to work doing DSP but i think that's a long way down the line if ever due to the limited API access. i started a thread about this a bit ago and if i remember, the falling down point of ARM was that it didn't handle floating point well. i'd be curious how much these devices could be pushed. scott On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/29 Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Dear List, I'm planning to buy a Raspberry Pi sometime soon, and I'd like to know the implications of the ARM11 chip on the use of Pd. I know nothing about the differences in architectures, so i'd like to know : - why an ARM chip would be a problem for compiling, installing and running Pd, It's not a problem--Pd compiles and runs on the arm architecture. Android devices for example have arm processors. Debian pure data packages are available for arm. That's good news! I suppose Debian packages can't be installed in Fedora, can they? No--planet CCRMA has some i386 pd packages, but not arm. If you want to run Fedora and Pd, you will need to compile it.If only you knew the power of the dark side, and by dark side, I mean Debian. If you didn't get your pre-order in time for this batch, you'll have to wait a month, I bet. By the time I got to work this morning, it was too late. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie
Re: [PD] Gem/Gridflow with PdDriod Party ...possible?
I've seen some signs of Android work in gridflow, plus dmotd was working on porting Gem to OpenGL ES, which would allow it to run on the minimum GPUs in phones. .hc On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:06 AM, berenger recoules wrote: Hi Alan from my knowledge it's not possible. Concerning the processing side of thins there is a library for processing useable on linux and mac, that uses Jack. It works great. They are working on making an android processing library. But right now you can't use libpd in processing to create apk from the processing IDE. Your best bet for now is eclipse+android sdk+libpd+processing, and there is a tutorial right here http://noisepages.com/groups/pd-everywhere/forum/topic/libpd-processing-android-tutorial/ Cheers Bérenger 2012/3/1 ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com Hi list I've been playing around with the very excellent PdDriod Party and I was thinking if there was a way to have visuals incorpertated into the patchs with Gem/Gridflow? I am may tryout impeding libpd into a processing andriod sketch but wanted to just enquire about Gem/Gridflow :] Thanks all Alan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on ARM devices
Well, I have a pandora and the buildtools for crosscompiling to it. I could also compile on the pandora, but it's based on OpenEmbedded (or actually Ångström). Do you think GLES2.0 is good enough to run GEM? Alexander On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: If you have Debian running on the Beagleboard, building Pd-extended should just be a matter of following the standard Debian instructions. Start with BuildingPdExtended on puredata.info. .hc On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:36 AM, dreamer wrote: I'm not sure how easy it is to generalize ARM platforms though. The processor in the RasPi is an ARM11, compared to for instance the Cortex-A found in beagleboards and other devices it has quite a reduced instruction set and doesn't support stuff like NEON, which can be very beneficial for media applications (not sure if Pd could make use of it though). Talking about ARM personally, I'm interested in getting PD and Gem (preferably pd-extended) running on the Pandora, which has a Cortex-A8 like the beagleboard. I have tried the debian package here http://enchevetres.org/doku.php?id=tek:puredata inside the pandebian program (a chroot to run debian packages for the pandora os), but the program was completely unusable. If anyone has success getting pd-extended compiled for Cortex-A8 from source I'm very much interested in any tips. Alexander On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all for your encouraging replies. @Scott : I 'm also wondering what the Pi is capable of dsp-wise. @Charles : I don't know the power of the dark side, but I'm dying to learn more about it! I guess we'll continue this thread when one of us managed to get his hand on a Pi. Pierre. 2012/3/1 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at There are some fedora packages of pd floating around. It would be great for someone to update them and include them in the pure-data SVN or some repo somewhere. Also, if someone makes a fedora package .spec file for the Library Template, it'll be really easy to package lots of other libraries for Fedora. If you get Debian running on the Pi, then just apt-get install puredata. .hc On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Scott R. Looney wrote: i figure it won't be too long before nearly everyone including planet CCRMA has a build going specifically for the Pi. there' s a very good chance the Pi Foundation can license the design to other makers, so by May or so i'd bet a number of different places will have them in stock. the biggest issue for me is how much DSP performance you get out of something whose speed matches the iPhone 3GS. the awesome thing would be to put their display engine to work doing DSP but i think that's a long way down the line if ever due to the limited API access. i started a thread about this a bit ago and if i remember, the falling down point of ARM was that it didn't handle floating point well. i'd be curious how much these devices could be pushed. scott On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/29 Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Dear List, I'm planning to buy a Raspberry Pi sometime soon, and I'd like to know the implications of the ARM11 chip on the use of Pd. I know nothing about the differences in architectures, so i'd like to know : - why an ARM chip would be a problem for compiling, installing and running Pd, It's not a problem--Pd compiles and runs on the arm architecture. Android devices for example have arm processors. Debian pure data packages are available for arm. That's good news! I suppose Debian packages can't be installed in Fedora, can they? No--planet CCRMA has some i386 pd packages, but not arm. If you want to run Fedora and Pd, you will need to compile it. If only you knew the power of the dark side, and by dark side, I mean Debian. If you didn't get your pre-order in time for this batch, you'll have to wait a month, I bet. By the time I got to work this morning, it was too late. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and
Re: [PD] Pd on ARM devices
dmotd has started ported Gem to GLES 2.0. Its not the same as regular OpenGL, so Gem currently doesn't work with it. .hc On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:20 AM, dreamer wrote: Well, I have a pandora and the buildtools for crosscompiling to it. I could also compile on the pandora, but it's based on OpenEmbedded (or actually Ångström). Do you think GLES2.0 is good enough to run GEM? Alexander On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: If you have Debian running on the Beagleboard, building Pd-extended should just be a matter of following the standard Debian instructions. Start with BuildingPdExtended on puredata.info. .hc On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:36 AM, dreamer wrote: I'm not sure how easy it is to generalize ARM platforms though. The processor in the RasPi is an ARM11, compared to for instance the Cortex-A found in beagleboards and other devices it has quite a reduced instruction set and doesn't support stuff like NEON, which can be very beneficial for media applications (not sure if Pd could make use of it though). Talking about ARM personally, I'm interested in getting PD and Gem (preferably pd-extended) running on the Pandora, which has a Cortex-A8 like the beagleboard. I have tried the debian package here http://enchevetres.org/doku.php?id=tek:puredata inside the pandebian program (a chroot to run debian packages for the pandora os), but the program was completely unusable. If anyone has success getting pd-extended compiled for Cortex-A8 from source I'm very much interested in any tips. Alexander On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all for your encouraging replies. @Scott : I 'm also wondering what the Pi is capable of dsp-wise. @Charles : I don't know the power of the dark side, but I'm dying to learn more about it! I guess we'll continue this thread when one of us managed to get his hand on a Pi. Pierre. 2012/3/1 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at There are some fedora packages of pd floating around. It would be great for someone to update them and include them in the pure-data SVN or some repo somewhere. Also, if someone makes a fedora package .spec file for the Library Template, it'll be really easy to package lots of other libraries for Fedora. If you get Debian running on the Pi, then just apt-get install puredata. .hc On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Scott R. Looney wrote: i figure it won't be too long before nearly everyone including planet CCRMA has a build going specifically for the Pi. there' s a very good chance the Pi Foundation can license the design to other makers, so by May or so i'd bet a number of different places will have them in stock. the biggest issue for me is how much DSP performance you get out of something whose speed matches the iPhone 3GS. the awesome thing would be to put their display engine to work doing DSP but i think that's a long way down the line if ever due to the limited API access. i started a thread about this a bit ago and if i remember, the falling down point of ARM was that it didn't handle floating point well. i'd be curious how much these devices could be pushed. scott On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/29 Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Dear List, I'm planning to buy a Raspberry Pi sometime soon, and I'd like to know the implications of the ARM11 chip on the use of Pd. I know nothing about the differences in architectures, so i'd like to know : - why an ARM chip would be a problem for compiling, installing and running Pd, It's not a problem--Pd compiles and runs on the arm architecture. Android devices for example have arm processors. Debian pure data packages are available for arm. That's good news! I suppose Debian packages can't be installed in Fedora, can they? No--planet CCRMA has some i386 pd packages, but not arm. If you want to run Fedora and Pd, you will need to compile it.If only you knew the power of the dark side, and by dark side, I mean Debian. If you didn't get your pre-order in time for this batch, you'll have to wait a month, I bet. By the time I got to work this morning, it was too late. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi
Re: [PD] Gem/Gridflow with PdDriod Party ...possible?
thanks both curious to know what is possible -will check out that tutorial Cheers On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I've seen some signs of Android work in gridflow, plus dmotd was working on porting Gem to OpenGL ES, which would allow it to run on the minimum GPUs in phones. .hc On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:06 AM, berenger recoules wrote: Hi Alan from my knowledge it's not possible. Concerning the processing side of thins there is a library for processing useable on linux and mac, that uses Jack. It works great. They are working on making an android processing library. But right now you can't use libpd in processing to create apk from the processing IDE. Your best bet for now is eclipse+android sdk+libpd+processing, and there is a tutorial right here http://noisepages.com/groups/pd-everywhere/forum/topic/libpd-processing-android-tutorial/ Cheers Bérenger 2012/3/1 ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com Hi list I've been playing around with the very excellent PdDriod Party and I was thinking if there was a way to have visuals incorpertated into the patchs with Gem/Gridflow? I am may tryout impeding libpd into a processing andriod sketch but wanted to just enquire about Gem/Gridflow :] Thanks all Alan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pyext for windows7
I cannot seem to get pyext to create I've grabbed the py.dll an example patch and the simple.py script. Can someone shed some light on this again? TG? pp Patrick Pagano, B.S, M.F.A Assistant in Digital Arts and Science Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] dsp graph question
Not sure if this makes sense, but here goes: Can a Pd dsp graph be nested inside a Pd dsp graph? And is it possible to make local symbol tables that are separate from the global symbol table? For example-- let's imagine that [struct] has a signal inlet and a signal outlet, and has a field canvas foo bar which, when you create a scalar of that struct one of its data is a glist foo that takes abstraction (or subpatch) bar as its template. Now, for each of these scalars you instantiate you have a glist associated with it, inside which there are objects that allow access to any of the other field values for this scalar (float x, float y, etc.). Additionally, let's say each foo glist has one [inlet~] that takes its incoming signal from whatever is connected to the corresponding [struct] signal inlet, and one [outlet~] which sends to the [struct] signal outlet. The one caveat is that all global symbolic sends/receives inside the scalar glists are local to \ this scalar class-- there is no way to access anything in the parent patch except through the xlets of [struct]. If this were the case, then would it be possible created/destroy any of these scalars at will and only have to rebuild this nested dsp graph that is associated with it's [struct]? Everything would still be deterministic-- that is, all the signal objects inside these scalars would get computed before [struct] sends its output to the next signal object. But since everything inside the scalar glists is guaranteed to only interact with the other scalars (or sum to the [struct] signal outlet) it wouldn't be necessary to rebuild the parent graph, would it? Additionally, if an array of scalars only send the signal to the [struct] signal outlet and don't interact with each other (through [send~], [throw~], [etc.~]), could one could use [setsize] to to do massive polyphony without having to rebuild the entire graph? I'm obviously still very sketchy on signal graph compilation, so links to any documentation or resources are appreciated! -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pyext for windows7
Hi Patrick, try this: - download and install python for windows: http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.6.6/python-2.6.6.msi - Copy pthread.dll in your C:\Program Files\pd\bin\ folder - Copy py.dll in your C:\Program Files\pd\extra\ folder Get all the files you need from: http://code.autistici.org/svn/planetQ/satellite/packages/pantaliQa/manual/win/ I use this procedure during my workshops and it works like a charm. hope to help husk On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.eduwrote: I cannot seem to get pyext to create I’ve grabbed the py.dll an example patch and the simple.py script. Can someone shed some light on this again? ** ** TG? ** ** pp ** ** Patrick Pagano, B.S, M.F.A Assistant in Digital Arts and Science Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ** ** ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- l'importante nella vita é avere pregiudizi a priori su tutto Jean-Paul-Sartre www.estereotips.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] dsp graph question
Le 2012-03-01 à 12:02:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : And is it possible to make local symbol tables that are separate from the global symbol table? Look into my proposals that I wrote back in 2006 or so, probably on pd-dev. But I don't think I got any replies on them at all. Additionally, if an array of scalars only send the signal to the [struct] signal outlet and don't interact with each other (through [send~], [throw~], [etc.~]), could one could use [setsize] to to do massive polyphony without having to rebuild the entire graph? DSP graphs allow dsp-methods to call dsp_add with all sorts of very context-specific arguments such as direct pointers to the internals of tables and of delwrite~ and such. To make those into context-independent things would require a lot of work. But you don't necessarily need to do that if all you want is just to avoid most of the recompilation whenever you add or remove a few abstraction instances at any given moment. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] renaming files on the fly
Hello Is there a way with pd to rapidly rename files downloaed from the internet? For example I will be downloading .jpgs with all sorts of long reference names x.jpg and I want to automatically rename it 1.jpg Is this possible Thanks in advance pp Patrick Pagano, B.S, M.F.A Assistant in Digital Arts and Science Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] dsp graph question
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [PD] dsp graph question Le 2012-03-01 à 12:02:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : And is it possible to make local symbol tables that are separate from the global symbol table? Look into my proposals that I wrote back in 2006 or so, probably on pd-dev. But I don't think I got any replies on them at all. Oh interesting-- there's an entire thread on namespaces for send/receive. Never noticed that before. From 2006 all I see is some stuff about deallocatable symbols-- is that what you're referring to? Additionally, if an array of scalars only send the signal to the [struct] signal outlet and don't interact with each other (through [send~], [throw~], [etc.~]), could one could use [setsize] to to do massive polyphony without having to rebuild the entire graph? DSP graphs allow dsp-methods to call dsp_add with all sorts of very context-specific arguments such as direct pointers to the internals of tables and of delwrite~ and such. To make those into context-independent things would require a lot of work. But you don't necessarily need to do that if all you want is just to avoid most of the recompilation whenever you add or remove a few abstraction instances at any given moment. Yes that's pretty much all I want to do. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] renaming files on the fly
Sure, use [shell]. -Jonathan From: Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu To: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 5:18 PM Subject: [PD] renaming files on the fly Hello Is there a way with pd to rapidly rename files downloaed from the internet? For example I will be downloading .jpgs with all sorts of long reference names x.jpg and I want to automatically rename it “1.jpg” Is this possible Thanks in advance pp Patrick Pagano, B.S, M.F.A Assistant in Digital Arts and Science Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] dsp graph question
Le 2012-03-01 à 14:33:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Oh interesting-- there's an entire thread on namespaces for send/receive. Never noticed that before. From 2006 all I see is some stuff about deallocatable symbols-- is that what you're referring to? That's an approximate year. There are probably several threads on the topic(s). I remember writing about deallocatable symbols in more recent years, but the thing that I think was in 2006, is about splitting the receive-table away from the symbol-table so that receive-symbols could become local : have a global t_symbol * but have a local s_thing. Then receive-symbols wouldn't necessarily be symbols anymore, they'd be pairs of one $0 and one t_symbol *... I'm reinventing this in my head as I write it, maybe. It's possible to fit a very large $0 in a_type because most values of t_atomtype aren't taken. For example, all negative values of t_atomtype could be reserved to mean the local-symbol where $0 = -a_type. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] renaming files on the fly
I think the ideal would be to do this outside of Pd with a dedicated software (like batch file renamer on windows or anything from the appstore on mac). if, for some reason, you really wanna do this within Pd, then you should take a look at the attached patch: it's a loop recorder that can save audio to files in a dedicated folder and name these files sequentially. You can probably modify it to do just what you want. But were talking .wav here, I'm not sure what to do with jpg's. Anyway, hope it helps... note: the choose directory function on the patch requires you to click on a file in the desired directory. If there is none, you can just create an empty notepad file or something. http://www.flickr.com/photos/schafferdavid/ http://audioblog.arteradio.com/David_Schaffer/ From: p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:18:47 + Subject: [PD] renaming files on the fly Hello Is there a way with pd to rapidly rename files downloaed from the internet? For example I will be downloading .jpgs with all sorts of long reference names x.jpg and I want to automatically rename it “1.jpg” Is this possible Thanks in advance pp Patrick Pagano, B.S, M.F.A Assistant in Digital Arts and Science Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list loopcatcher~.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] dsp graph question
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Not sure if this makes sense, but here goes: Can a Pd dsp graph be nested inside a Pd dsp graph? This occurs whenever you make a sub-canvas. For each canvas, there is a new dspcontext struct created. The canvas-dsp graph process creates a nested dsp graph, delimited from its parent by block prolog/epilog (when re-blocked from parent) and inlet/outlet prolog/epilog code. It may be possible to think of just any sub-graph as being a nested dsp graph, for that matter. But yes, I think it's clear that nested dsp graphs can be programmed and used. If this were the case, then would it be possible created/destroy any of these scalars at will and only have to rebuild this nested dsp graph that is associated with it's [struct]? Not possible yet! Every time you add/delete a connection (and some other conditions I'm not sure of), the dsp stops, rebuilds its entire graph, and re-starts. Just set ugen_loud to 1 and re-compile--you will be greeted with a representation of Pd building your dsp graph every time you make changes to it. Comments in d_ugen.c have said--for a long time--that this is not a preferred way of doing things. It's just the way things are done now. I'm obviously still very sketchy on signal graph compilation, so links to any documentation or resources are appreciated! -Jonathan I wouldn't want you to have to learn all the hard lessons about how Pd does it's internal management of dsp chains and the like, but--if it's interesting to you and you might want to become a developer, I recommend reading d_ugen.c, g_canvas.c, g_io.c, and d_resample.c. It's all in there. Feel free to ask any other questions. Chuck ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Thank you for the precise instruction. I could trace this but could not make Pd-extended0.43.app in the end. I can run pd unix file in pd-extended/src folder and see ja.msg is working partly, not all functions are working correctly like Bang button object is missing, Vslider is missing, etc. I need to check all the Japanese translated menu and indication in all the properties windows. Do I have to do any other steps for building Pd-extended0.43.app? I already check INSTALL.txt in pd-extended folder and this article but could not accomplish it. http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended Best, Sei Matsumura --- s...@low-tech-ism.com --- 2012年2月25日6:56 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in 0.43.1-beta 20120223. However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, now. I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general English menu and interfaces. Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. So languages selectable is the ideal. Cheers, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ 2012/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: That's great! I wish I could read it. I love the idea of including the interviews and the PdCon report, it shows the multidimensionality of Pd. Its not just software, but the community behind it as well. To match this release, I think it would be nice to also have a complete Japanese translation of the Pd interface. To contribute, create an account on transifex and edit the Japanese translation in this webform: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/ .hc On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. The title is Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data. This book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type tutorials. If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd world, please recommend this book. Web site (Japanese) Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. best wishes, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. Tokyo University of Technology School of Design Associate Professor http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and
Re: [PD] pddroidparty netsend and netreceive
Hi Orm, On 02/29/2012 07:41 PM, Orm Finnendahl wrote: Does anybody know about this issue or has anybody successfully established netconnections between pddroidparty and another computer and could give some advice? I would love to have this working for [netro] and I think I might have a fix. I will try to find some time to push out a new release soon with the possible fix for testing. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
