Re: [PD] call for [comport] testing!
Hi, thanks for that great feature Hans ! Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You can still set a 1ms poll time with the [pollinterval 1( message. That's great, because it depends on the serial hardware, which are mostly usb-serial converters these days. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] cool ways to use pd in keyboard rig
Chris It's my birthday, DAMMIT!! and I'm going to do just that! Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:59:57 +0800 From: ch...@mccormick.cx To: jbtur...@hotmail.com CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] cool ways to use pd in keyboard rig On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Andrew Faradaywrote: Basically, feel free to throw ideas at me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjmdWdHdKKs Chris. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
Also thought the same about the bottom icon bar, but it could be good if IOhannes could tell what we can use to replace those icons. I'm afraid without the dotted background, the whole page would feel like floating, and content areas will be difficult to recognize. Screen statistic would be good, actually, can we publicly see the statistics of the portal? M - i love the dotted background - the bottom icon bar (iem-powered etc) is oldschool and shall go - we may not need the accessibility link but some people do - a bit afraid that fixed width may be a problem on some mobiles. btw: are there some web stats for puredata.info that have screen size statistics? 2 cents, Andr?s -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-08 09:47, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Also thought the same about the bottom icon bar, but it could be good if IOhannes could tell what we can use to replace those icons. i'm not sure how i should answer this: - - technically, it's easy to remove/replace the colophon - - politically, i'm sure the iem would prefer to be mentioned prominently Screen statistic would be good, actually, can we publicly see the statistics of the portal? http://statistics.puredata.info fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9YdCkACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRduwCg1C3jDoYAkg5DySxZczbZJwh4 OHoAoMvsBOaObgkROWBArppifDO26S5d =qBzs -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [table] update notification
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 09:15 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Pd-l2ork has a feature where you can [r arrayname_changed] and you'll get a bang when the array is modified with the mouse. That's nice feature of Pd-l2ork. If you want a notification when using tabwrite/etc., well, when those objects receive a message to update the array, just manually send a bang to arrayname_changed when this happens. Yeah, you're totally right. If I'd build a self-enclosed patch, this wouldn't be an issue. The goal here is to create an abstraction able to keep an instance of a table in sync over network. I would like to avoid to design it in a way, that forces the user of the abstraction to actively notify it about changes. And since I also want to track manual edits, I need some kind of a watchdog anyway. So I still go for the watchdog solution, until the Pd-l2ork features make into Pd. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [table] update notification
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 14:50 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 14:37 +0100, batinste wrote: Hi Rough approach : you could compare your array with the reference array by playing once from time to time the two simultaneously, sum (the first) and (the second *-1) and check with env~ that you still get nothing at the output. my 5*10^-7 cents. Yeah, that's what I meant with comparing them in the audio domain. It'll probably be a bit more efficient than the message domain comparison. I'll have to find out. Thanks for your suggestion. It seems, that this is the only workable way. First, I tried to scan the array at regular rates with an [until] counter. This is problematic, because if the array is big enough (I limited the size to a maximum of 2048) and depending on the current audio buffer size, this likely causes drop-outs. I then tried to spread the CPU time consumed over time with some kind of a slow [until], which doesn't fire immediately, but with short intervals. It turns out, although it prevents drop-outs, it's even a bigger CPU hog. Doing the comparison in the audio domain seems to be the smartest choice for now. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [table] update notification
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 15:00 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote: How about using [tabreceive~] with properly set blocksize in a subpatch? Never tried it though. From what I know, re-blocking also costs something. And you can re-block only in powers of two, if I am not mistaken. Actually, [tabplay~] should work just fine without re-blocking and unlike [tabreceive~ ] I can re-trigger it in arbitrary intervals. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pix_film and readsf not in sync....
hi I am reading a video with pix_film and trigger it using auto, at the same time load a sound file with readsf ~ . This is ok for a while but after some time they go out of sync. The sound goes faster than the video. Any simple solution to this? or do I need to construct my own system to play the video passing the frame number to the pix_film? maybe using a line object with the total num of frames and the total time length of the video ... thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_film and readsf not in sync....
Could it be possible that your soundfile is being played back with the wrong samplerate? Like 48k instead of 44.1k? Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] Im Auftrag von altern Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2012 14:59 An: pd-list Betreff: [PD] pix_film and readsf not in sync hi I am reading a video with pix_film and trigger it using auto, at the same time load a sound file with readsf ~ . This is ok for a while but after some time they go out of sync. The sound goes faster than the video. Any simple solution to this? or do I need to construct my own system to play the video passing the frame number to the pix_film? maybe using a line object with the total num of frames and the total time length of the video ... thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_film and readsf not in sync....
Hi, I think I would try it this way: generate frame numbers instead of using auto. [0, m n( | [step] | where m is the number of frames in the video, and n is the number of sample frames in the audio file, divided by 44.1 (or your samplerate) gr, Tim 2012/3/8 altern alte...@gmail.com hi I am reading a video with pix_film and trigger it using auto, at the same time load a sound file with readsf ~ . This is ok for a while but after some time they go out of sync. The sound goes faster than the video. Any simple solution to this? or do I need to construct my own system to play the video passing the frame number to the pix_film? maybe using a line object with the total num of frames and the total time length of the video ... thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Some more float weirdness/fun
Or, beware of trying to compare floats with [==] ... Lorenzo. #N canvas 457 235 653 545 10; #X obj 47 134 + 0.1; #X obj 111 -15 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -204786 -1 -1; #X floatatom 12 401 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 70 374 10 0 0 0 - - -; #X text 49 402 - this will never be 1; #X symbolatom 454 311 20 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 312 286 makefilename %.16f; #X obj 373 100 + 1; #X obj 12 374 == 3.5; #X msg 14 51 3; #X msg 327 64 30; #X obj 14 134 f 3; #X obj 327 100 f 30; #X obj 373 136 == 35; #X floatatom 373 159 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 327 20 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -258113 -1 -1; #X floatatom 425 137 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 327 181 * 0.1; #X floatatom 327 208 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X text 346 19 reset; #X obj 312 310 print the_real_thing; #X obj 120 337 print what_you_may_think...; #X obj 12 423 sel 1; #X obj 12 448 print NEVER; #X obj 373 180 sel 1; #X text 369 -15 Also check the Pd Window; #X text 131 -14 next (click 5 times after reset); #X text 460 290 comment; #X text 427 281 the actual float beint output; #X obj 409 394 expr ($f1); #X obj 409 426 print what_expr_says; #X obj 288 426 makefilename %.16f; #X floatatom 542 425 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X symbolatom 421 453 20 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 288 478 print but_actually_expr_is_also_seeing_this; #X obj 243 426 == 3.5; #X obj 242 452 sel 1; #X text 434 98 WORKAROUND ; #X obj 242 501 print NEVER2; #X text 93 447 - this is never \; printed...; #X text 160 499 nor this -; #X obj 373 207 print OK_WORKAROUND---; #X connect 0 0 11 1; #X connect 1 0 11 0; #X connect 1 0 12 0; #X connect 2 0 22 0; #X connect 6 0 5 0; #X connect 6 0 20 0; #X connect 7 0 12 1; #X connect 8 0 2 0; #X connect 9 0 11 0; #X connect 10 0 12 0; #X connect 11 0 0 0; #X connect 11 0 3 0; #X connect 11 0 6 0; #X connect 11 0 8 0; #X connect 11 0 21 0; #X connect 11 0 29 0; #X connect 12 0 7 0; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 12 0 16 0; #X connect 12 0 17 0; #X connect 13 0 14 0; #X connect 14 0 24 0; #X connect 15 0 10 0; #X connect 15 0 9 0; #X connect 17 0 18 0; #X connect 22 0 23 0; #X connect 24 0 41 0; #X connect 29 0 30 0; #X connect 29 0 32 0; #X connect 29 0 31 0; #X connect 29 0 35 0; #X connect 31 0 33 0; #X connect 31 0 34 0; #X connect 35 0 36 0; #X connect 36 0 38 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 09:56, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-08 09:47, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Also thought the same about the bottom icon bar, but it could be good if IOhannes could tell what we can use to replace those icons. i'm not sure how i should answer this: - - technically, it's easy to remove/replace the colophon - - politically, i'm sure the iem would prefer to be mentioned prominently I think the footer text, which says *puredata.info and puredata.org is hosted and serviced by IEM and a contribution to the PD-community using Plone , see Impressum.* is prominent and fair enough. It's just the icons which are out of style. András ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
ehmm.. No, of course I didn't mean to just delete the IEM and credits colophons, that would be insane. I only thought maybe we can make them look nicer, and prominent. Now it is not prominent at all at the bottom of the page, and so little. Can we make new colophons or are there bigger, nicer ones? Personally, I could leave those, but if we can make them better, why not.. M i'm not sure how i should answer this: - - technically, it's easy to remove/replace the colophon - - politically, i'm sure the iem would prefer to be mentioned prominently -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_film and readsf not in sync....
depending on the length of the audio/video there might be different techniques. how long is your clip? have you looked at those examples? http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Audiovideo m. Am 08.03.2012 um 14:58 schrieb altern: hi I am reading a video with pix_film and trigger it using auto, at the same time load a sound file with readsf ~ . This is ok for a while but after some time they go out of sync. The sound goes faster than the video. Any simple solution to this? or do I need to construct my own system to play the video passing the frame number to the pix_film? maybe using a line object with the total num of frames and the total time length of the video ... thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_film and readsf not in sync....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-08 15:43, tim vets wrote: Hi, I think I would try it this way: generate frame numbers instead of using auto. [0, m n( | [step] | [step]? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9Y2oUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQnBACgvXJbtzXUDqaqYDk80iDuV/tF W68AoOcMMDf/nQa5mG+4S6ylXSRtJPtN =KidA -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_film and readsf not in sync....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-08 15:30, Ingo wrote: Could it be possible that your soundfile is being played back with the wrong samplerate? Like 48k instead of 44.1k? or the framerate of the video is not the same as Gem's framerate. fgamsr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9Y2rEACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRJSgCfZw+DQzL+/fsoFgAeklwA6SN6 lhYAningpnIQtHpaWpTSOSIrvPrwE2gI =yPQl -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_film and readsf not in sync....
2012/3/8 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-08 15:43, tim vets wrote: Hi, I think I would try it this way: generate frame numbers instead of using auto. [0, m n( | [step] | [step]? from maxlib iirc: step :: output sequence of numbers (similar to 'line') sorry, I forgot one thing, it takes a list of 3 values, the third one being step (which would be 1 here, or higher if you want to 'strobe' your video :) ) so I should have written [0, m n 1( above instead...) gr, Tim gr, Tim fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9Y2oUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQnBACgvXJbtzXUDqaqYDk80iDuV/tF W68AoOcMMDf/nQa5mG+4S6ylXSRtJPtN =KidA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Some more float weirdness/fun
never trust Pd. Am 08.03.2012 um 16:23 schrieb Lorenzo Sutton: Or, beware of trying to compare floats with [==] ... Lorenzo. funky_floats.pd___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [table] update notification
- Original Message - From: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com To: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [PD] [table] update notification On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 09:15 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Pd-l2ork has a feature where you can [r arrayname_changed] and you'll get a bang when the array is modified with the mouse. That's nice feature of Pd-l2ork. If you want a notification when using tabwrite/etc., well, when those objects receive a message to update the array, just manually send a bang to arrayname_changed when this happens. Yeah, you're totally right. If I'd build a self-enclosed patch, this wouldn't be an issue. The goal here is to create an abstraction able to keep an instance of a table in sync over network. I would like to avoid to design it in a way, that forces the user of the abstraction to actively notify it about changes. And since I also want to track manual edits, I need some kind of a watchdog anyway. So I still go for the watchdog solution, until the Pd-l2ork features make into Pd. Can you guarantee that [tabsend~] will never be sending to that array? Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 09:56, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: [...] Screen statistic would be good, actually, can we publicly see the statistics of the portal? http://statistics.puredata.info No screen stats there :( Google Analytics is pretty smart, and simple to implement. Some people have reservations, though. If you don't, it could be a valuable addition. András ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_film and readsf not in sync....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-08 17:44, tim vets wrote: [step]? from maxlib iirc: step :: output sequence of numbers (similar to 'line') sorry, I forgot one thing, it takes a list of 3 values, the third one being step (which would be 1 here oh, you mean [int]? fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9Y84wACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvTVHQCg99lFkjkuEDsuE9ZYL3SYkFZw 7Z4AoNd1frKcVID/6hXS7aXoyB5AlzAA =uL1p -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-08 18:49, András Murányi wrote: http://statistics.puredata.info No screen stats there :( i know. Google Analytics is pretty smart, and simple to implement. Some people have reservations, though. If you don't, it could be a valuable addition. actually, i do have reservations about google analytics. fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9Y8+kACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvR2NgCg7XkYIjaVGeCErz+gaFtcxpP0 Ne0AoJCnFSSXUYPHKJ6OEEXFMhHiCpF8 =+Q3o -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 19:01, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-08 18:49, András Murányi wrote: http://statistics.puredata.info No screen stats there :( i know. Google Analytics is pretty smart, and simple to implement. Some people have reservations, though. If you don't, it could be a valuable addition. actually, i do have reservations about google analytics. fgamsdr IOhannes That's completely understandable. This one runs on the server, GPL, and has rather comparable functions: http://piwik.org/ NB we don't to set up web stats to know that 700+ pixels will be to wide for iPhones :) Good web stats are useful, however. Webalizer is old. András ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Some more float weirdness/fun
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 16:23 +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Or, beware of trying to compare floats with [==] ... Lorenzo. That's a good example of the implications inherent in floats. What you call a work-around is actually the correct solution. When counting, make sure you count with something that can precisely represented by floats, otherwise the error will grow with each iteration. Integers up to 1.6*10^7 meet that criterion. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Fabric Engine
I am quite surprised nobody picked this up yet, oh well .. :~( On 6 March 2012 22:27, Ilya Dmitrichenko errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't feel like listening about the background, start watching the presentation from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWjJE-6Ln24feature=player_detailpage#t=2080s Please note, in this presentation the main subject is the FE browser plugin, but currently there are Node.js and Python interfaces available and more are to come (e.g. Ruby). To me the main problem had been - what sort of abstraction is needed to efficiently utilise GPU and CPU cores and Fabric Engine appears to target exactly this. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Some more float weirdness/fun
- Original Message - From: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Some more float weirdness/fun On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 16:23 +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Or, beware of trying to compare floats with [==] ... Lorenzo. That's a good example of the implications inherent in floats. What you call a work-around is actually the correct solution. When counting, make sure you count with something that can precisely represented by floats, otherwise the error will grow with each iteration. Integers up to 1.6*10^7 meet that criterion. Roman Is this still an issue when float precision is 64-bit? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Some more float weirdness/fun
On 08.03.2012 20:47, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Some more float weirdness/fun On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 16:23 +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Or, beware of trying to compare floats with [==] ... Lorenzo. That's a good example of the implications inherent in floats. What you call a work-around is actually the correct solution. When counting, make sure you count with something that can precisely represented by floats, otherwise the error will grow with each iteration. Integers up to 1.6*10^7 meet that criterion. Roman Is this still an issue when float precision is 64-bit? The issue will arise later, because you have two a many bits for representing your value, but the problem still exists. As Pd is a programming language, this is good read on the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_point#IEEE_754:_floating_point_in_modern_computers http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html or to make the wording quotable: https://twitter.com/#!/tomscott/status/174143430170120192 Best regards, Thomas -- As long as people kept worrying that the machines were taking over, they wouldn't notice what was really happening. Which was that the programmers were taking over. (Robert Anton Wilson - The Homing Pidgeons) http://www.residuum.org/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Making Musical Apps: a book about libpd
Hi all: Peter Kirn over at createdigitalmusic.com has a great review, interview and excerpt of the new O'Reilly book Making Musical Apps by Peter Brinkmann: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/03/pd-everywhere-free-libpd-gets-a-new-site-new-book-on-making-mobile-music-apps/ I've always thought that Pure Data on mobile devices (with the touchscreen and all the sensors) was a killer app. --Shawn --- Shawn Wallace O'Reilly Media (401) 835-7550 cell swall...@oreilly.com www.fluxly.com follow @fluxly ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
actually, i do have reservations about google analytics. fgamsdr IOhannes I don't know if Iohannes reservations are the same as mine, but +1 for the record. No need for thatkind of cheap marketing trash on our site. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd-extended 0.43 ignoring ~/.pdextended
It seems that pd-extended (0.43) ignores the .pdextended file in the home directory or at least a path added via the Preferences menu? Alternatives (apart from the start-up flag?) Lorenzo. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Making Musical Apps: a book about libpd
Look, I'm sorry. I've attempted to ignore this... Fuck off. Spam merchant. There, said/done it. Julian On 8 March 2012 20:17, Shawn Wallace swall...@oreilly.com wrote: Hi all: Peter Kirn over at createdigitalmusic.com has a great review, interview and excerpt of the new O'Reilly book Making Musical Apps by Peter Brinkmann: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/03/pd-everywhere-free-libpd-gets-a-new-site-new-book-on-making-mobile-music-apps/ I've always thought that Pure Data on mobile devices (with the touchscreen and all the sensors) was a killer app. --Shawn --- Shawn Wallace O'Reilly Media (401) 835-7550 cell swall...@oreilly.com www.fluxly.com follow @fluxly ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Making Musical Apps: a book about libpd
I think that's a bit uncalled for. It's not spam, the book is entirely relevant to the PD community since it centres on libpd, and the target audience for the book is very much similar to the subscriber base for this list. I don't see how that would be any different than advertising a concert for which you would have to pay an entrance fee of a workshop where you would need to pay to attend. - martin On 8 March 2012 22:40, Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com wrote: Look, I'm sorry. I've attempted to ignore this... Fuck off. Spam merchant. There, said/done it. Julian On 8 March 2012 20:17, Shawn Wallace swall...@oreilly.com wrote: Hi all: Peter Kirn over at createdigitalmusic.com has a great review, interview and excerpt of the new O'Reilly book Making Musical Apps by Peter Brinkmann: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/03/pd-everywhere-free-libpd-gets-a-new-site-new-book-on-making-mobile-music-apps/ I've always thought that Pure Data on mobile devices (with the touchscreen and all the sensors) was a killer app. --Shawn --- Shawn Wallace O'Reilly Media (401) 835-7550 cell swall...@oreilly.com www.fluxly.com follow @fluxly ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Some more float weirdness/fun
Le 2012-03-08 à 11:47:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : From: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com That's a good example of the implications inherent in floats. What you call a work-around is actually the correct solution. When counting, make sure you count with something that can precisely represented by floats, otherwise the error will grow with each iteration. Integers up to 1.6*10^7 meet that criterion. Is this still an issue when float precision is 64-bit? in float32 you have 24 significant bits. in float64 you have 53 significant bits. This means that the limit is pushed back from 16777216 to 9007199254740992 instead. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Fwd: Making Musical Apps: a book about libpd
Hmm - well I did apologise to begin with. There aren't any concerts on this list with paying admission in general, or tbh that many workshops either, though I would admit that there are some as part of conferences etc, which do cost money. As a pseudo-academic I do those a bit but pretty much always taking part in some form. It's the arselicking I'm struggling with hey guys we're all in this together (going to shut up and leave this thread alone now). But yeah, genuinely sorry if I caused any offense. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Making Musical Apps: a book about libpd
the f bomb...really? telling the guy to f*ck off..what? really ? Unacceptable. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Martin Dupras martindup...@gmail.com wrote: I think that's a bit uncalled for. It's not spam, the book is entirely relevant to the PD community since it centres on libpd, and the target audience for the book is very much similar to the subscriber base for this list. I don't see how that would be any different than advertising a concert for which you would have to pay an entrance fee of a workshop where you would need to pay to attend. - martin On 8 March 2012 22:40, Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com wrote: Look, I'm sorry. I've attempted to ignore this... Fuck off. Spam merchant. There, said/done it. Julian On 8 March 2012 20:17, Shawn Wallace swall...@oreilly.com wrote: Hi all: Peter Kirn over at createdigitalmusic.com has a great review, interview and excerpt of the new O'Reilly book Making Musical Apps by Peter Brinkmann: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/03/pd-everywhere-free-libpd-gets-a-new-site-new-book-on-making-mobile-music-apps/ I've always thought that Pure Data on mobile devices (with the touchscreen and all the sensors) was a killer app. --Shawn --- Shawn Wallace O'Reilly Media (401) 835-7550 cell swall...@oreilly.com www.fluxly.com follow @fluxly ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Making Musical Apps: a book about libpd
Dear List, Shawn and I accidentally crossed wires here --- Shawn didn't know that I had already sent a message to Pd-Announce, and I didn't know that Shawn would be posting to Pd-list. We will coordinate better in the future, and we apologize for the duplication. Sorry about the spammy aftertaste, Peter On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:18 PM, ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com wrote: the f bomb...really? telling the guy to f*ck off..what? really ? Unacceptable. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Martin Dupras martindup...@gmail.com wrote: I think that's a bit uncalled for. It's not spam, the book is entirely relevant to the PD community since it centres on libpd, and the target audience for the book is very much similar to the subscriber base for this list. I don't see how that would be any different than advertising a concert for which you would have to pay an entrance fee of a workshop where you would need to pay to attend. - martin On 8 March 2012 22:40, Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com wrote: Look, I'm sorry. I've attempted to ignore this... Fuck off. Spam merchant. There, said/done it. Julian On 8 March 2012 20:17, Shawn Wallace swall...@oreilly.com wrote: Hi all: Peter Kirn over at createdigitalmusic.com has a great review, interview and excerpt of the new O'Reilly book Making Musical Apps by Peter Brinkmann: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/03/pd-everywhere-free-libpd-gets-a-new-site-new-book-on-making-mobile-music-apps/ I've always thought that Pure Data on mobile devices (with the touchscreen and all the sensors) was a killer app. --Shawn --- Shawn Wallace O'Reilly Media (401) 835-7550 cell swall...@oreilly.com www.fluxly.com follow @fluxly ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [table] update notification
If you're open to using externals, [tabletool] has a change method that scans the memory of a table and reports any changed values and their indices out the two outlets. http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com To: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [PD] [table] update notification On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 09:15 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Pd-l2ork has a feature where you can [r arrayname_changed] and you'll get a bang when the array is modified with the mouse. That's nice feature of Pd-l2ork. If you want a notification when using tabwrite/etc., well, when those objects receive a message to update the array, just manually send a bang to arrayname_changed when this happens. Yeah, you're totally right. If I'd build a self-enclosed patch, this wouldn't be an issue. The goal here is to create an abstraction able to keep an instance of a table in sync over network. I would like to avoid to design it in a way, that forces the user of the abstraction to actively notify it about changes. And since I also want to track manual edits, I need some kind of a watchdog anyway. So I still go for the watchdog solution, until the Pd-l2ork features make into Pd. Can you guarantee that [tabsend~] will never be sending to that array? Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Making Musical Apps: a book about libpd
Le 2012-03-08 à 18:36:00, Peter Brinkmann a écrit : Shawn and I accidentally crossed wires here --- Shawn didn't know that I had already sent a message to Pd-Announce, and I didn't know that Shawn would be posting to Pd-list. We will coordinate better in the future, and we apologize for the duplication. Sorry about the spammy aftertaste, I don't think that there has been any real problem with the way that it's been announced. I mean, it's not like you put a cronjob for it, or wrote any kind of false representation, or advertised random unrelated products. So, I don't think that you need to say you're sorry, nor to be sorry at all. Think of all the times that someone replied to a mail to both pd-list and pd-announce, which causes triplicata to anyone subscribed to both, and I don't think that anyone ever expressed an emotional response about it on the list ! __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Making Musical Apps: a book about libpd
I appreciate your reply, Mathieu. I'm feeling better now. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: Le 2012-03-08 à 18:36:00, Peter Brinkmann a écrit : Shawn and I accidentally crossed wires here --- Shawn didn't know that I had already sent a message to Pd-Announce, and I didn't know that Shawn would be posting to Pd-list. We will coordinate better in the future, and we apologize for the duplication. Sorry about the spammy aftertaste, I don't think that there has been any real problem with the way that it's been announced. I mean, it's not like you put a cronjob for it, or wrote any kind of false representation, or advertised random unrelated products. So, I don't think that you need to say you're sorry, nor to be sorry at all. Think of all the times that someone replied to a mail to both pd-list and pd-announce, which causes triplicata to anyone subscribed to both, and I don't think that anyone ever expressed an emotional response about it on the list ! __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Making Musical Apps: a book about libpd
Hi Peter and Shawn I don't think hearing about this twice on these particular lists even comes close to spammy. This book is a pretty major achievement and it looks amazing and well worth the price. Thanks for the effort you've put into it - I can't wait to try it out. Hell, if this is spam, spam away. cheers dafydd On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Peter Brinkmann peter.brinkm...@googlemail.com wrote: I appreciate your reply, Mathieu. I'm feeling better now. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: Le 2012-03-08 à 18:36:00, Peter Brinkmann a écrit : Shawn and I accidentally crossed wires here --- Shawn didn't know that I had already sent a message to Pd-Announce, and I didn't know that Shawn would be posting to Pd-list. We will coordinate better in the future, and we apologize for the duplication. Sorry about the spammy aftertaste, I don't think that there has been any real problem with the way that it's been announced. I mean, it's not like you put a cronjob for it, or wrote any kind of false representation, or advertised random unrelated products. So, I don't think that you need to say you're sorry, nor to be sorry at all. Think of all the times that someone replied to a mail to both pd-list and pd-announce, which causes triplicata to anyone subscribed to both, and I don't think that anyone ever expressed an emotional response about it on the list ! __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nonlocal message passing scope
Ok, I updated the patch for the canvas get method, and I added a quick demo of the s/r symbol scope I have in mind: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3308027group_id=55736atid=478072 (see tf/test.pd.) Currently all the actual symbols are in their own namespace (through obfuscation), but now I'm thinking it'd be better to make all the parent level stuff as simple as $0-symbolname, and just leave global variables unprefixed. That way we could add a dialog to array/iemguis to automate the prefixing of $0-, and then a set of abstractions could easily replace/wrap most nonlocal objects. -Jonathan - Original Message - From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com To: Billy Stiltner billy.stilt...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [PD] nonlocal message passing scope From: Billy Stiltner billy.stilt...@gmail.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [PD] nonlocal message passing scope I don't know if making it easier to do would be good for learning but it sure would be easier for doing. haha! Well, if you had abstraction wrappers for [s]/[r], [throw~]/[catch~], [s~]/[r~], [v], and dialog box entries for the Put menu array and iemguis (and possibly canvas properties), you wouldn't have to bother with $0 as a user. Plus a convenience abstraction to prefix a given symbol based on the scope you want, so that you can use it as a send-symbol inside message boxes. I guess the sticking points are objects that take an array name as an argument-- in the majority of cases those are settable, so I guess the user could choose between loadbanging a symbol or just using $0-prefixes there. There are probably other uses of $0 that I'm missing... [struct] names I guess, but there you're already punished for using $0 since it makes it impossible to reload scalar state. -Jonathan I try not to think about how that works. once I figured it out I wrote down what I learned and use it as a reference or I'll just go look in a patch that I have used in and duplicate. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nonlocal message passing scope
I got stuck redoing an lfo for polysynth where each voice has it's own lfo osces but the tables sit in a parent patch. Its easy to name the lfo tables $0lfo1 ,$0lfo2 . It is not so simple when putting the table in an abstraction that can be reused. I guess just name the table $2$1 and pass in the creation argument lfo1 $0. For some reason though other things got confusing inside the abstraction. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Some more float weirdness/fun
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 18:03 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-03-08 à 11:47:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : From: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com That's a good example of the implications inherent in floats. What you call a work-around is actually the correct solution. When counting, make sure you count with something that can precisely represented by floats, otherwise the error will grow with each iteration. Integers up to 1.6*10^7 meet that criterion. Is this still an issue when float precision is 64-bit? in float32 you have 24 significant bits. in float64 you have 53 significant bits. This means that the limit is pushed back from 16777216 to 9007199254740992 instead. But 0.1 still cannot be represented exactly by float64, can it? Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
